How is Arvo the cause of Luke's death? If I remember correctly, Luke dies because the ice underneath him cracks, that has nothing to do with Arvo unless he secretly has ice-cracking powers. I don't care what Rick Grimes would do, I have my own morals, I play my way. I can judge Kenny however I like, it is not in your right to tell me how to judge characters.
Arvo was the cause of Luke's death and he shot Clem. Yeah... he deserves that ass wooping. It's The Walking Dead ffs... You guys get upset w… morehen you see Kenny beat up Arvo for getting Luke killed and Kenny killing Jane because she made it seem like she killed a baby? You all sound like early Alexandrians. If Rick Grimes were in Kenny's shoes, he would've done the EXACT same thing if not worse and everybody loves him and calls him a badass for it. But when Kenny does it, he's wrong for it... You people judge Kenny's actions like a pre-apocalypse child.. These people are a few YEARS in the apocalypse, judge Kenny in that sense.
You see I don't insult people with different opinions to me or try not to. KCohere is entitled to her opinion but i wouldn't insult her. It … morejust makes people look bad.
I do disagree though, I don't think he enjoyed beating Arvo up, he just didn't like him over the whole Russian shoot out earlier. That's my opinion and i will always stand by that.
The entire group caused the fall of an entire Community, most likely leading to many deaths including the possible death of infants.... yet no one seems to care what Clementine and the group do just cause we're playing in their perspectives. It would've be smarter if they shooed Arvo off and go to the Town they were originally planning to.
He also caused a bunch of Russian psychopaths to attack a group of freezing people, with a baby and a child...but sorry, he's Arvo, he had i… moret rough. Let's just leave him be shall we?
Oh, then he goes and shoots Clementine because he's a trigger happy, immature moron. Kenny should have at least left him behind when they had the chance.
Wait, how do you know this is Jane and Clementine's fault? There's no reason the ambush couldn't have happened regardless if they met Arvo or not. Especially since they wait a different amount of time for the ambush depending on your decision of when to leave and you still get ambushed whether you take the medicine or not.
I agree and I think the rest of the team were wrong at least at first. Kenny has got people shooting at him and trying to murder him thanks … moreto Jane and Clementine. The rest of the group are having a go at him for using the guy that started it all as a sheild? After that I didn't care about Arvo either way. I probably wasn't going to kill him, neither would I stand in the way of anyone else trying to kill him.
Might slap her depending on choices? Pardon? Where was this implied?
You said he would never do harm to the kids, but he can slap Clementine, so... And i just explained how he was forcing Clementine on suicide trip, so how is that not being harmful? He also left her in middle of herd, forced her to take the radio. How are these not harmful things exactly?
He stated "i'll fucking kill you" after what i believe jane did was squishing his eyes or whatever she was doing. She wanted a fight, she kept provoking him. Anyone trying to defend themselves would say the same thing.
He says "you're fucking dead" after jane started to punch him.
And what Clem said isn't stupid because it is the players choice if you want to be mad with Jane or not. It's not stupid though. Again that's your opinion
But she didn't have to do what she did lol! Kenny wasn't a threat to her or Clem/AJ and never would have been if she hadn't of said anything… more. Jane didn't like the argument in the car with him, she did it because in "my opinion" Jane wanted Clem to go alone with her and leave her friend which by dialogue in the car scene implied she didn't want to leave Kenny. Jane faked a baby's death for god sake and I don't care what people say but that's just messed up.
Might slap her depending on choices? Pardon? Where was this implied? As for Wellington, Kenny even said he knows it might be bullshit but wanted to hope. I actually would have gone back to Howes believe it or not.
I don't agree on everything.
He stated "i'll fucking kill you" after what i believe jane did was squishing his eyes or whatever she was doing. She wanted a fight, she kept provoking him. Anyone trying to defend themselves would say the same thing.
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I didnt say I was a "special snowflake" and his insults didnt hurt me. They barely registered since this guy doesnt know me from Adam. I just get very irritated when people resort to name calling and attacking as their argument, and lose interest in continuing to engage with them. I cant tell you how many times I started to respond to someone, then decided it wasnt worth continuing to argue. I just dont have the patience for it. You can blame that on my experiences on Facebook. I try to be respectful and not attack people and I expect the same.
I also dont like going in circles and making the same arguments to the same people. His last post to me was a repeat of his first post pretty much, so I didnt feel like I needed to make the same points. If you feel like that means I cant refute his arguments, that is fine. I was attempting to move on.
Its funny when people cant refute an argument and stand off on silly excuses like "im special snowflake, insults hurt me"
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Why w… moreould Rick beat up a kid? Only thing that it could possibly do i grant satisfaction for causing harm to another. Rick would just shoot or leave be, beating someone is just pointless.
ps. Kenny can beat Carvo unconscious before Luke even dies, if you pick the right dialogue options. He clearly does it because he enjoys it.
You don't seem to be able to answer my question lol.
And no, i am a Tibetan monk, living a peaceful life and have never been angry (sarcasm)...seriously did you honestly just ask if i've ever been angry? Lol
There is no part anywhere in the game where he can deliberately slap Clementine yet you say depending on choices he can? Not true. Please show me proof of this? Also he never "forces" her to go to Wellington, they talk in the car about it, Clem can disagree. He never says "your going there whether you like it or not", and it's your opinion that it's a suicide trip, what is to say they wouldn't have found Wellington by a stroke of luck? But yeah going to Howe's was the better option and i told you I agreed with that but again saying suicide trip is just an opinion.
Sarita had just died, he was angry, emotions take over when your angry (you ever been angry lol?), Mike was also running away with Kenny yet you don't critiscise him do you! Or Luke/Nick/Bonnie, all who never tried to look after her but people choose to ignore this and blame just Kenny.
He forced her to take the radio, this is true and that was because she was the only one he trusted. He didn't have to force her no but what did Kenny do after the plan got discovered? He grabbed the radio off Clem and took the blame for it, getting his eye bashed in, in the process. I don't recall Jane or anyone else taking the blame to protect Clem?
he said "i'll fucking kill you"after the second time she swung the knife at him outside the building (play the game again and see). Jane was at this point trying to kill him and in my opinion that was the point where Kenny and Jane just went too far because as i said, i think it started out just as a fight until Jane swung the knife at him.
And yep it is my opinion that Clem doesn't say stupid things. It's up to the player and if you don't like what she can say then that's fine but it is not a fact that you make it sound like is when it's not
Might slap her depending on choices? Pardon? Where was this implied?
You said he would never do harm to the kids, but he can slap Cl… moreementine, so... And i just explained how he was forcing Clementine on suicide trip, so how is that not being harmful? He also left her in middle of herd, forced her to take the radio. How are these not harmful things exactly?
He stated "i'll fucking kill you" after what i believe jane did was squishing his eyes or whatever she was doing. She wanted a fight, she kept provoking him. Anyone trying to defend themselves would say the same thing.
He says "you're fucking dead" after jane started to punch him.
And what Clem said isn't stupid because it is the players choice if you want to be mad with Jane or not. It's not stupid though. Again that's your opinion
Your opinion that its just an opinion is opinion.
Chances are yes, it isn't a sign of him turning. However, going with the theme of ambiguity, it isn't a definite sign of him being alive, either. Is that twitch simply an involuntary reaction (for example, agonal respiration) to the CPR? Is it an actual breath? Was he truly still alive during that scene? Or was he actually dead/unresponsive, with the supposed 'breath' being an involuntary spasm/reaction? There's a chance that it wasn't just a simple heart attack he had like in the drugstore; it could have been full on cardiac arrest (which seems fairly likely, given how he loses consciousness and stops breathing in a matter of seconds, which doesn't happen when he collapses in the drugstore). In fact, the animation of him falling to the floor is labeled 'CardiacCollapse'
Well we don't know for sure, as posted above it's ambiguous, I doubt it would be a sign of turning since his mouth only moves(As far as I can tell) if you do the 4 chest presses in time.
Again though - whether it was 'intended' to be ambiguous is meaningless. Maybe it was 'intended' to be logical why Clementine had to be the person to manage the turbine in episode 2, maybe the line about the little house was 'intended' to make sense. The fact is that the way it's done, with the content in the actual game, Larry was taking a breath, due to the logic in my previous post. If they wanted it to be ambiguous they should have made his mouth move regardless of whether you push on his chest.
The actual annotation on the sound file itself lists it as a grunt of impact due to the CPR rather than as an actual breath, and that it was… more meant to be ambiguous. This annotation is what was on the actual script during the recording sessions, meaning that this line was recorded -- and was the take ultimately chosen to be used in game -- with the intent of it being deliberately ambiguous
Doing more digging into the dialogue, animation and chore files don't bring up anything suggesting that it was a breath, either. However, files that are related to/make mention of the scene seem to further suggest the intended ambiguity
Also on that note, it appears that Larry doesn't even have an actual animation for that 'breath'; it is just his mouth moving
Look above. The way it's shown in the game means that Larry can't have been reanimating, because pushing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation.
They never ever confirmed Larry was alive. How do we know his mouth twitching giving CPR to him meant he was still alive? What if he was reanimating? He could have been alive or just about to turn.
Both sides are like that. In the end, we have choices and we choose to like or not like a character and I fully respect your reasons on disl… moreiking Kenny abhorrently. The moment Sarita died, he knew how Lilly felt. Life came back to bite him in the ass and he had no right to lash out at Clementine regardless of what she did.
The ambush was revenge for what Jane and Clementine had done to him earlier (either robbed him of everything or robbed him of his gun). That seems clear to me.
Wait, how do you know this is Jane and Clementine's fault? There's no reason the ambush couldn't have happened regardless if they met Arvo o… morer not. Especially since they wait a different amount of time for the ambush depending on your decision of when to leave and you still get ambushed whether you take the medicine or not.
Being angry and enjoying something in my opinion is completely different. Arvo insulted him so he got beaten up, i admit it was over the top but Kenny was never going to trust a guy who him and his friends held them at gunpoint and threatened to rob them. Kenny has a temper that we all know about. I can not see why he would enjoy it. He did it because he can't control his anger. In TLOU Joel aggressively laid into those guys to find out where Ellie was, he actually killed them and I wouldn't say he enjoyed it but felt it had to be done to put them in their place. Maybe Kenny was doing the same thing? We won't know because there is no answer and only opinions on the matter. So yeah sorry im going to disagree
I hope you are ok discussing posts with me though! You do make good conversation and discussions. I cannot be bothered with insults from people either it just makes them look stupid
I didnt say I was a "special snowflake" and his insults didnt hurt me. They barely registered since this guy doesnt know me from Adam. I jus… moret get very irritated when people resort to name calling and attacking as their argument, and lose interest in continuing to engage with them. I cant tell you how many times I started to respond to someone, then decided it wasnt worth continuing to argue. I just dont have the patience for it. You can blame that on my experiences on Facebook. I try to be respectful and not attack people and I expect the same.
I also dont like going in circles and making the same arguments to the same people. His last post to me was a repeat of his first post pretty much, so I didnt feel like I needed to make the same points. If you feel like that means I cant refute his arguments, that is fine. I was attempting to move on.
I think he/she said it was Arvo's fault because he ran across the ice causing Kenny and Mike etc to chase him which caused the ice to start cracking but yes its no ones right to tell you how to judge people because it is your opinion. Just ignore people that are like that
How is Arvo the cause of Luke's death? If I remember correctly, Luke dies because the ice underneath him cracks, that has nothing to do with… more Arvo unless he secretly has ice-cracking powers. I don't care what Rick Grimes would do, I have my own morals, I play my way. I can judge Kenny however I like, it is not in your right to tell me how to judge characters.
No, you are fine. We disagree on things but you dont personally attack people, which I appreciate. I understand people can get heated and say things they probably shouldnt. I guess its a credit to these series that they can get people so emotionally invested, but fans should remember that they are talking to real people behind these posts, you know?
I hope you are ok discussing posts with me though! You do make good conversation and discussions. I cannot be bothered with insults from people either it just makes them look stupid
I think you are probably right that he wouldnt try to kill Clementine, but his reception to her would get frosty, maybe even scary. I remember specifically him nodding at me (my Lee) to drop Ben at the clock tower. I didnt. I could see him just writing her off if not physically hurting her.
People especially Jane fans will disagree with me here but if Clem was responsible for accidentally killing AJ if this happened, i still don… more't think Kenny would try and kill Clem. He'd do exactly what he has done in the past and get very angry at her. With Jane, someone he has never trusted or liked, he wouldn't treat her the same way as Clem. That's my opinion
There is one scene, i think it is determinant though, at the campfire where Arvo has been tied up, but he is making too much noise, so Kenny literally beats him unconscious. It was extremely disturbing to me. Like I said, its just my interpretation that he enjoys it, but only in the sense that his rage is so out of control that he needs an outlet for it.
They should have just let him go. What were they going to do with him as a prisoner? I hated every time Kenny used him as a punching bag. Or better yet, try to talk to the guy. Get some kind of understanding going. I guess thats not as dramatic or exciting though.
The entire group caused the fall of an entire Community, most likely leading to many deaths including the possible death of infants.... yet … moreno one seems to care what Clementine and the group do just cause we're playing in their perspectives. It would've be smarter if they shooed Arvo off and go to the Town they were originally planning to.
It uuhhhhhh is sorta iffy to say. I mean it wasn't in self-defense and kenny was the attacker so technically it was murder.
But uhhhh, we… morell, Jane provoked him Intentionally to get him to attack her. Not to get herself killed mind you, but more to make a villain out of Kenny in front of clementine.
It's like......say for example if there was a dog and you kicked it or spat on it or something. If the dog then proceeds to bite your throat off, technically that is murder, but honestly you were asking for it. If you were Lee and someone killed Clementine. The grand majority of you would revenge murder the living hell out of them.
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As Jane is innocent and she actually went out of her way to protect and prepare Clementine for the world. Not to mention that Jane will change her opinion, such as risking her life to try and save a others that cannot be saved or trust strangers, if Clementine asks and unlike Kenny she actually respects Clementine's opinions.
Kenny is unhinged, he caused the group to collapse due to his erratic behavior, treats Clementine like trash if she doesn't agree with him 100% of the time and wanted to kill an innocent, Jane, in cold blood thus proving Jane right.
That sounds like really subjective, somewhat anecdotal line of logic
You're saying that any intentions of the scene on behalf of the developers is rendered null because of your subjective interpretation of the 'way' the scene was done, the 'way' of which you assert to be an objective fact in terms of execution, one that holds more validity than the aforementioned intentions: that because you clicked on his chest four times and he reacted to it in a specific fashion, that means he was irrefutably alive and taking a breath
There is one crucial element to remember here; there is still nothing that proves beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt that it was a breath in the first place. Yeah, you pressed on his chest four times, and he reacted to it, but how is that irrefutable proof of life? How do you know that reaction is not just an involuntary reflex brought on by stimulation as a byproduct of the CPR? You don't, that is still just an assumption on your part, because with the 'way' the scene is set up, there is still absolutely nothing in the game's content or even context that proves it to be (nor gives much credence to being) an actual breath
Now to be completely fair, for all intents and purposes, you are right about one thing; that 'breath' is not indicative of him reanimating. However, it is not definitive proof that he is alive and/or breathing, either
So no, I think the 'intentions' of the scene's ambiguity are still fair play, because that ambiguity is actually there; you're just using a subjective interpretation of an impartial scene to dismiss it
Of course, maybe I'm just looking at this situation in a completely different light than you are
Again though - whether it was 'intended' to be ambiguous is meaningless. Maybe it was 'intended' to be logical why Clementine had to be the … moreperson to manage the turbine in episode 2, maybe the line about the little house was 'intended' to make sense. The fact is that the way it's done, with the content in the actual game, Larry was taking a breath, due to the logic in my previous post. If they wanted it to be ambiguous they should have made his mouth move regardless of whether you push on his chest.
Why make another thread destined for argument? There are many Kenny/Jane threads already made...post in those.
In the end, it all comes down to opinion and how we interpret our play-throughs. The whole point of a 'choice' game is to get a unique experience to everyone else, which TWD certainly gives. Truth is...you're entirely wrong, but you are also entirely right. I think it should just be left at that.
Why make another thread destined for argument? There are many Kenny/Jane threads already made...post in those.
In the end, it all comes dow… moren to opinion and how we interpret our play-throughs. The whole point of a 'choice' game is to get a unique experience to everyone else, which TWD certainly gives. Truth is...you're entirely wrong, but you are also entirely right. I think it should just be left at that.
well it felt like you havent, since you dont even know what people feel when they punch something in anger. A sense of relief and you're saying thats not enjoyable?
You don't seem to be able to answer my question lol.
And no, i am a Tibetan monk, living a peaceful life and have never been angry (sarcasm)...seriously did you honestly just ask if i've ever been angry? Lol
Lee and Clementine don't randomly kill innocent people.
However, if Clementine doesn't save Jane than she helps Kenny kill an innocent which makes Clementine walk a path that Lee would be ashamed of.
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How is Arvo the cause of Luke's death? If I remember correctly, Luke dies because the ice underneath him cracks, that has nothing to do with Arvo unless he secretly has ice-cracking powers. I don't care what Rick Grimes would do, I have my own morals, I play my way. I can judge Kenny however I like, it is not in your right to tell me how to judge characters.
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But if he didn't enjoy beating Arvo up, why would he continue to do it?
The entire group caused the fall of an entire Community, most likely leading to many deaths including the possible death of infants.... yet no one seems to care what Clementine and the group do just cause we're playing in their perspectives. It would've be smarter if they shooed Arvo off and go to the Town they were originally planning to.
Have you ever been angry?
Of course, people are called 'Haters' for not agreeing with what a character does.
Wait, how do you know this is Jane and Clementine's fault? There's no reason the ambush couldn't have happened regardless if they met Arvo or not. Especially since they wait a different amount of time for the ambush depending on your decision of when to leave and you still get ambushed whether you take the medicine or not.
You said he would never do harm to the kids, but he can slap Clementine, so... And i just explained how he was forcing Clementine on suicide trip, so how is that not being harmful? He also left her in middle of herd, forced her to take the radio. How are these not harmful things exactly?
He says "you're fucking dead" after jane started to punch him.
Your opinion that its just an opinion is opinion.
I didnt say I was a "special snowflake" and his insults didnt hurt me. They barely registered since this guy doesnt know me from Adam. I just get very irritated when people resort to name calling and attacking as their argument, and lose interest in continuing to engage with them. I cant tell you how many times I started to respond to someone, then decided it wasnt worth continuing to argue. I just dont have the patience for it. You can blame that on my experiences on Facebook. I try to be respectful and not attack people and I expect the same.
I also dont like going in circles and making the same arguments to the same people. His last post to me was a repeat of his first post pretty much, so I didnt feel like I needed to make the same points. If you feel like that means I cant refute his arguments, that is fine. I was attempting to move on.
You don't seem to be able to answer my question lol.
And no, i am a Tibetan monk, living a peaceful life and have never been angry (sarcasm)...seriously did you honestly just ask if i've ever been angry? Lol
There is no part anywhere in the game where he can deliberately slap Clementine yet you say depending on choices he can? Not true. Please show me proof of this? Also he never "forces" her to go to Wellington, they talk in the car about it, Clem can disagree. He never says "your going there whether you like it or not", and it's your opinion that it's a suicide trip, what is to say they wouldn't have found Wellington by a stroke of luck? But yeah going to Howe's was the better option and i told you I agreed with that but again saying suicide trip is just an opinion.
Sarita had just died, he was angry, emotions take over when your angry (you ever been angry lol?), Mike was also running away with Kenny yet you don't critiscise him do you! Or Luke/Nick/Bonnie, all who never tried to look after her but people choose to ignore this and blame just Kenny.
He forced her to take the radio, this is true and that was because she was the only one he trusted. He didn't have to force her no but what did Kenny do after the plan got discovered? He grabbed the radio off Clem and took the blame for it, getting his eye bashed in, in the process. I don't recall Jane or anyone else taking the blame to protect Clem?
he said "i'll fucking kill you"after the second time she swung the knife at him outside the building (play the game again and see). Jane was at this point trying to kill him and in my opinion that was the point where Kenny and Jane just went too far because as i said, i think it started out just as a fight until Jane swung the knife at him.
And yep it is my opinion that Clem doesn't say stupid things. It's up to the player and if you don't like what she can say then that's fine but it is not a fact that you make it sound like is when it's not
Chances are yes, it isn't a sign of him turning. However, going with the theme of ambiguity, it isn't a definite sign of him being alive, either. Is that twitch simply an involuntary reaction (for example, agonal respiration) to the CPR? Is it an actual breath? Was he truly still alive during that scene? Or was he actually dead/unresponsive, with the supposed 'breath' being an involuntary spasm/reaction? There's a chance that it wasn't just a simple heart attack he had like in the drugstore; it could have been full on cardiac arrest (which seems fairly likely, given how he loses consciousness and stops breathing in a matter of seconds, which doesn't happen when he collapses in the drugstore). In fact, the animation of him falling to the floor is labeled 'CardiacCollapse'
Again though - whether it was 'intended' to be ambiguous is meaningless. Maybe it was 'intended' to be logical why Clementine had to be the person to manage the turbine in episode 2, maybe the line about the little house was 'intended' to make sense. The fact is that the way it's done, with the content in the actual game, Larry was taking a breath, due to the logic in my previous post. If they wanted it to be ambiguous they should have made his mouth move regardless of whether you push on his chest.
Look above. The way it's shown in the game means that Larry can't have been reanimating, because pushing on someone's chest doesn't speed up reanimation.
Nah, the Jane side never made death threats on Kenny fans as far as I can remember. A thread asking for Jane fans to be hung had like 10 likes.
I didn't list Christa :P
If that was true, then that's pretty messed up.
The ambush was revenge for what Jane and Clementine had done to him earlier (either robbed him of everything or robbed him of his gun). That seems clear to me.
Being angry and enjoying something in my opinion is completely different. Arvo insulted him so he got beaten up, i admit it was over the top but Kenny was never going to trust a guy who him and his friends held them at gunpoint and threatened to rob them. Kenny has a temper that we all know about. I can not see why he would enjoy it. He did it because he can't control his anger. In TLOU Joel aggressively laid into those guys to find out where Ellie was, he actually killed them and I wouldn't say he enjoyed it but felt it had to be done to put them in their place. Maybe Kenny was doing the same thing? We won't know because there is no answer and only opinions on the matter. So yeah sorry im going to disagree
And im pretty sure the only time he really laid into him was in the small house/shack. Other times he just pushed him aggressively and stuff.
I hope you are ok discussing posts with me though! You do make good conversation and discussions. I cannot be bothered with insults from people either it just makes them look stupid
I think he/she said it was Arvo's fault because he ran across the ice causing Kenny and Mike etc to chase him which caused the ice to start cracking but yes its no ones right to tell you how to judge people because it is your opinion. Just ignore people that are like that
No, you are fine.
We disagree on things but you dont personally attack people, which I appreciate. I understand people can get heated and say things they probably shouldnt. I guess its a credit to these series that they can get people so emotionally invested, but fans should remember that they are talking to real people behind these posts, you know?
You think so, even if Jane and Kenny are kaput for good?
Some fans go way overboard. Ive seen it a lot. I like to think that person's emotions just got away from them.
I think you are probably right that he wouldnt try to kill Clementine, but his reception to her would get frosty, maybe even scary. I remember specifically him nodding at me (my Lee) to drop Ben at the clock tower. I didnt. I could see him just writing her off if not physically hurting her.
There is one scene, i think it is determinant though, at the campfire where Arvo has been tied up, but he is making too much noise, so Kenny literally beats him unconscious. It was extremely disturbing to me. Like I said, its just my interpretation that he enjoys it, but only in the sense that his rage is so out of control that he needs an outlet for it.
They should have just let him go. What were they going to do with him as a prisoner? I hated every time Kenny used him as a punching bag. Or better yet, try to talk to the guy. Get some kind of understanding going. I guess thats not as dramatic or exciting though.
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If you allow him to kill Jane than Kenny AND Clementine are murderers as Jane is innocent.
Putting Kenny, a monster, down and saving an innocent, Jane, is the only moral choice.
No "technically", it's murder and innocent blood on Kenny and Clementine's hands.
However, Jane isn't guilty. She's innocent, that makes it far worse.
Lee and Clementine don't randomly kill innocent people.
However, if Clementine doesn't save Jane than she helps Kenny kill an innocent which makes Clementine walk a path that Lee would be ashamed of.
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As Jane is innocent and she actually went out of her way to protect and prepare Clementine for the world. Not to mention that Jane will change her opinion, such as risking her life to try and save a others that cannot be saved or trust strangers, if Clementine asks and unlike Kenny she actually respects Clementine's opinions.
Kenny is unhinged, he caused the group to collapse due to his erratic behavior, treats Clementine like trash if she doesn't agree with him 100% of the time and wanted to kill an innocent, Jane, in cold blood thus proving Jane right.
That sounds like really subjective, somewhat anecdotal line of logic
You're saying that any intentions of the scene on behalf of the developers is rendered null because of your subjective interpretation of the 'way' the scene was done, the 'way' of which you assert to be an objective fact in terms of execution, one that holds more validity than the aforementioned intentions: that because you clicked on his chest four times and he reacted to it in a specific fashion, that means he was irrefutably alive and taking a breath
There is one crucial element to remember here; there is still nothing that proves beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt that it was a breath in the first place. Yeah, you pressed on his chest four times, and he reacted to it, but how is that irrefutable proof of life? How do you know that reaction is not just an involuntary reflex brought on by stimulation as a byproduct of the CPR? You don't, that is still just an assumption on your part, because with the 'way' the scene is set up, there is still absolutely nothing in the game's content or even context that proves it to be (nor gives much credence to being) an actual breath
Now to be completely fair, for all intents and purposes, you are right about one thing; that 'breath' is not indicative of him reanimating. However, it is not definitive proof that he is alive and/or breathing, either
So no, I think the 'intentions' of the scene's ambiguity are still fair play, because that ambiguity is actually there; you're just using a subjective interpretation of an impartial scene to dismiss it
Of course, maybe I'm just looking at this situation in a completely different light than you are
Why make another thread destined for argument? There are many Kenny/Jane threads already made...post in those.
In the end, it all comes down to opinion and how we interpret our play-throughs. The whole point of a 'choice' game is to get a unique experience to everyone else, which TWD certainly gives. Truth is...you're entirely wrong, but you are also entirely right. I think it should just be left at that.
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We still have non stop Kenny V Jane threads.
well it felt like you havent, since you dont even know what people feel when they punch something in anger. A sense of relief and you're saying thats not enjoyable?
Jane is a killer too, since she killed a bandit to save the group.
Yes self-defence, still makes you a killer.