Did you shoot ***** or let *** die?

edited April 2016 in The Walking Dead

I let Norma become dinner for walkers, it was brutal but I didn't regret that and I laughed when she died. This was my favourite moment of episode 3, I have been waiting a long time for this. Letting people die painfully, the ones who deserve to.

EDIT: But when I looked back, I felt like I should have put her out of her misery. She lost her brother even though that asshole deserved it, her community and people as well. Seemed like I was the bad guy in this game.

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  • I shot Norma because I sincerely felt bad for her. We just came in and ruinned her life. I actually admired her, after we destroyed everything she built and killed a lot of their people she was able to try sorting things out peacefully. I don't think could've done the same for her.

    I also felt pretty shitty for killing her brother, her reaction to the zombified Randall made me feel pretty bad.

    It's a shame that she dies no matter what, she was probably my favourite original character from this series.

  • I dont really have anything to add, i would have posted a repeat of the OP.

    Honestly I dont think Norma deserved it but I still laughed and left her for the walkers

  • Shot her, because in a span of two days, she lost her community, her people, her brother, her arm, to be lastly killed by walkers. Very shitty and I really felt bad for her.

    I kinda felt like the bad guy in this story.

  • I shot Norma because I sincerely felt bad for her. We just came in and ruinned her life. I actually admired her, after we destroyed everything she built and killed a lot of their people she was able to try sorting things out peacefully. I don't think could've done the same for her.

    This is Sam's fault for starting this mess. Wierd I didn't have an option to call her out for starting this shit after she said Randall ruined everything.

    I shot Norma because I sincerely felt bad for her. We just came in and ruinned her life. I actually admired her, after we destroyed everythi

  • Norma really didn't deserve all that honestly.

  • I agree 100%. I was genuinely sad to see her go, particularly in such agony.

    I shot Norma because I sincerely felt bad for her. We just came in and ruinned her life. I actually admired her, after we destroyed everythi

  • I know right? I was like 'Oh, a Telltale Game were not everyone dies. This is unexpected'. But then I remembered 'Oh yeah, except Norma'.

    Crips posted: »

    Shot her, because in a span of two days, she lost her community, her people, her brother, her arm, to be lastly killed by walkers. Very shitty and I really felt bad for her. I kinda felt like the bad guy in this story.

  • Norma was basically the clementine of this game, her entire group died in a few days. Unfortunately she didnt have clementines luck to survive gunshots

    I know right? I was like 'Oh, a Telltale Game were not everyone dies. This is unexpected'. But then I remembered 'Oh yeah, except Norma'.

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited April 2016

    To be fair, antagonists don't tend to last in TWD franchise. To date, there's only one major antagonist across the entire franchise that has survived after their main story arc. I wasn't expecting Norma or Randall to survive the series from the beginning, if I'm being honest.

    I know right? I was like 'Oh, a Telltale Game were not everyone dies. This is unexpected'. But then I remembered 'Oh yeah, except Norma'.

  • edited April 2016

    I shot her for mercy. She was in my eyes a genuinely good person and even after you burn down her community and kill her people she still wants peace and will let this whole situation end without bloodshed.

    In the Episode 3 trailer we all got nervous after she said 'Whatever you do to Randall, I will do to your friends'. Yet (in my playthrough at least) when she saw Randall she was shocked at first but she quickly got over it and didn't even lay a hand on our crew members, despite us absolutely mutilating Randall. When she sees his broken fingers she looks disgusted but lets it go, genuinely wanting this whole ordeal to be over. The only reason she attacked was because you either kill her brother (after he stupidly charges Michonne, wtf?) or show her her dead brother or you shoot her in the shoulder.

    It's best to see this from her point of view, to her we are thieves and murderers who have destroyed everything she built, her safe haven. We defend a thief and hurt her brother. And even after all of that she lets us live with no causalities. And before someone says 'But what about Berto, Oak (determinant) and Zachary?' First of all she didn't agree with the killing of Berto and when Pete shoots his killer Norma says 'You can have that one, alright?' and that they are even now. She didn't care that Pete killed either her right-hand woman or best doctor. Oak? Okay this one is a little harder to defend but put yourself in her position, she gave Michonne so many chances and is desperate to see her brother again. Michonne killed so many of her people, why shouldn't she take one of Michonne's? Zachary? From her point of view Zachary let the woman who destroyed Monroe escape and when she was about to get vengeance for those she lost and for her brother, Zachary denied her that opportunity. The player may see Zachary as a hero but to Monroe he's a traitor.

    I was half tempted to deliberately fail the QTE were you hack off her arm, her screams were genuinely painful to listen to. Seeing her get bit and the walkers swarm around her, I knew what the game was building to. I couldn't let her suffer as she was a genuinely good person, who became misguided due to her brother's death near the end. I shot her and the look Michonne gave her before she died was accurate to mine too. Michonne has almost a look of respect and sadness when she mercy kills Norma.

    In the end, I think Norma was a misguided hero in this story. I know by definition she is an antagonist but in my eyes Sam is responsible for all of this carnage. Norma was kind enough to let her go but she betrayed her trust and stole again. I was absolutely shocked to see that only 39.9% of people put her out of her misery. Seriously? Do you honestly believe she deserved this? Randall maybe but not Norma.

  • I thought Norma would be determinant but I agree that I didn't think Randall would live, he's too much of a loose cannon.

    Deltino posted: »

    To be fair, antagonists don't tend to last in TWD franchise. To date, there's only one major antagonist across the entire franchise that has

  • edited April 2016

    The only reason she attacked was because you either kill her brother or show her her dead brother or you shoot her in the shoulder.

    Or Randall can be such an IDIOT to attack Michonne after getting released. Seriously, that motherfucker cared less about her family left. Instead, he tries to kill Michonne who never did shit to him, her punishing him was in self-defense. What was he thinking?

    I know by definition she is an antagonist but in my eyes Sam is responsible for all of this carnage

    I couldn't agree more. Can't believe this game forced us to be on her side. EDIT: Nevermind what I said after the previous sentence.

    I shot her for mercy. She was in my eyes a genuinely good person and even after you burn down her community and kill her people she still w

  • I think Randall is the one who deserved to die. I don't know Norma anymore.

    I thought Norma would be determinant but I agree that I didn't think Randall would live, he's too much of a loose cannon.

  • edited April 2016

    Or Randall can be such an IDIOT to attack Michonne after getting released.

    I found that scene dumb to be honest, there is no logical reason for even a psychopath to do that, and even if he did for Norma to react the way she did after. I feel like they forced that in there so there was some excuse for the fight to break out if you went the full peace route

    AronDracula posted: »

    The only reason she attacked was because you either kill her brother or show her her dead brother or you shoot her in the shoulder.

  • edited April 2016

    I left her to die, but looking back, I really do think I should have ended her misery. Yeah she did some bad things to Michonne and the group, but she lost most of her people, including her brother, and her community in the span of, what, a day, and it really was because of Sam and Michonne. Randall was an asshole, but looking back, Norma wasn't all that bad, she showed that she was willing to be reasonable, hell she gave Sam that second chance, but Sam was the one that got greedy, and even after Gabby/Jonas kills Berto, she tried to defuse the situation and has no problem with Pete killing them in response. So yeah, I chose to leave her, but I don't like that I did.

  • Or Randall can be such an IDIOT to attack Michonne after getting released.

    Haha yes! How could I forget that (That happened in my playthrough)? I was just staring there in disbelief and when Michonne shot him I just burst out laughing like 'What the hell was he trying to accomplish there? His fingers are broken so he can't even do much.'

    That was really stupid.

    I wish I had let her die in the house

    I don't. I'm glad I saved her and overall I still kind of like her, however she is far more guilty than Norma.

    AronDracula posted: »

    The only reason she attacked was because you either kill her brother or show her her dead brother or you shoot her in the shoulder.

  • I'm glad I saved her and overall I still kind of like her, however she is far more guilty than Norma.

    I am as well because I hated Colette and Elodie haunting Michonne's mind. I wanted Michonne to get her shit togheter.

    Or Randall can be such an IDIOT to attack Michonne after getting released. Haha yes! How could I forget that (That happened in my pl

  • I mercy killed her. I don't think she's a "good" person, but nobody deserves to die by zombie. Except for Randall. And Jane. ;)

  • I ended her suffering, I didn't really like her that much, but I don't think she deserved it.

    The only real bad thing she did that we didn't deserve was taking Michonne and Pete to her camp against our will. Should of just took Sam and her brother. Sam was a mess. Sam stole from them and Norma forgave her for it. I blame her for the whole mess.
    Also we set her whole camp on fire. Norma had a right to be mad about that. Us killing her brother got her really mad and I would see why. All she wanted was her brother back and it's the zombie apocalypse protecting your family is what's on a lot of people's minds. Kenny's, Michonne's. Family is pretty much some of the only things you have left. I'd see why it would make Kenny crazy and Michonne have a lot of flashbacks and feel guilty.

    I feel Randall was more of the bad guy in this story than Norma. He was violent and dangerous. He went after Michonne for the dumbest reasons. He made Zachary shoot Greg by pressuring him. (Even though yes Zachary was originally gonna shoot Sam). Even after we caught Randall he just threatened us more saying he's gonna hurt children. Randall is a bigger antagonist than Norma in my eyes but I guess that's just my opinion.

  • A telltale game where not everyone dies? Like Wolf Among Us, TftB, MC:SM, Monkey Island, BttF etc..?

    I mean only game of thrones and walking dead have had lots of people die by the end, and I think that's kind of because of the subject matter, that's just what happens in walking dead,

    I know right? I was like 'Oh, a Telltale Game were not everyone dies. This is unexpected'. But then I remembered 'Oh yeah, except Norma'.

  • Good point actually, I was mainly thinking back to Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead (Season Two particularly).

    Flog61 posted: »

    A telltale game where not everyone dies? Like Wolf Among Us, TftB, MC:SM, Monkey Island, BttF etc..? I mean only game of thrones and walk

  • I was really underwhelmed by his death like that. I agree it felt like they shoehorned it in so the fight could happen anyway, despite it being completely against Randall's character.

    Also, everyone kind of just stood there and let him run. Norma didn't tell him to stop, Pete didn't warn Michonne. He kind of just ran.

    Or Randall can be such an IDIOT to attack Michonne after getting released. I found that scene dumb to be honest, there is no logical

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited April 2016

    I think it would have worked better if they didn't make him as flat-out suicidal as he was by charging at her. Like, for example, have him pick up a gun from Jonas/Gabby instead and start taking potshots at everyone, maybe managing to take someone out in the process, which forces you to kill him. The fight still breaks out, and it makes more sense for Randall's character than having him decide to go kamikaze all of the sudden. He's pretty much just asking to be killed by charging at Michonne. Having him pick up a gun instead would make it seem more like he isn't planning on dying.

    Or Randall can be such an IDIOT to attack Michonne after getting released. I found that scene dumb to be honest, there is no logical

  • Originally shot her just cuz I wanted to kill her myself, but then I went back and let her suffer.

    For Zachary!

  • Yeah, maybe oak for example as he can die there. I wish more people could be determinat in this episode, I mean Paige for example does nothing after this moment

    Deltino posted: »

    I think it would have worked better if they didn't make him as flat-out suicidal as he was by charging at her. Like, for example, have him p

  • Actually, it was just a bit more than a day, which makes it even more tragic. It is about to be sunrise when Michonne and Pete leave for the ferry on that little sailing boat, and it is sunrise again when they receive Norma at John's house.

    Crips posted: »

    Shot her, because in a span of two days, she lost her community, her people, her brother, her arm, to be lastly killed by walkers. Very shitty and I really felt bad for her. I kinda felt like the bad guy in this story.

  • I felt bad for her and no one deserves to be eaten alive, no matter how "evil" they are. Sometimes in the show when they just let a group member get eaten without shooting them I get real annoyed.

    She lost her home and brother. She was obviously very stressed and upset.

  • Nah, this is all on Sam. Michonne got dragged into it.

    I left her to die, but looking back, I really do think I should have ended her misery. Yeah she did some bad things to Michonne and the grou

  • edited April 2016

    I shot her because she didn't deserve to suffer like that. Honestly, I feel like we were the antagonists in this game because we destroyed her community, killed her people, and killed her brother (even though he deserved it)

  • The reason I didn't shoot her was to save the bullet. I don't know why I thought saving a bullet would matter here though since it never has mattered this series in the slightest. :/ I'm surprised at how much people shared my choice in the results. Poor Norma...

  • Comic Gov deserved a norma like death though

    I felt bad for her and no one deserves to be eaten alive, no matter how "evil" they are. Sometimes in the show when they just let a group me

  • I shot her because it felt more fitting than just letting her get eaten

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator

    To be fair, Michonne can contribute to it. If she doesn't let Pete go, she ends up killing a few people on the way out. And directly and willingly starts the fire. And she can let Sam kill Zachary. And she can kill that one guard. And she can kill Randall.

    And Michonne still sort of made the decision to escape herself. She could have let Sam go off on her own and try to work with Norma, but honestly, Michonne's not the kind of person that likes to cooperate with people that take her hostage and hurt her or her friends, regardless of whether or not the player feels the same way.

    Like, maybe it's just me, but after what Michonne's had to deal with, what the Governor did to her, all the shit with Negan and the saviors, and all the other random threats they've encountered on the road, it just doesn't seem like she'd want to play nice with Norma and her crew, even if they aren't as bad as the rest.

    Nah, this is all on Sam. Michonne got dragged into it.

  • To be fair, Michonne can contribute to it. If she doesn't let Pete go, she ends up killing a few people on the way out.

    They held us hostage and then blocked our escape, I cant see how anyone can blame us for not surrendering to them or defending ourselves while running away.

    And she can kill Randall.

    He hunted her down and tried to kill her, hardly unreasonable

    Michonne's not the kind of person that likes to cooperate with people that take her hostage and hurt her or her friends,

    I dont really see an issue with that....

    Deltino posted: »

    To be fair, Michonne can contribute to it. If she doesn't let Pete go, she ends up killing a few people on the way out. And directly and wil

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited April 2016

    I'm not trying to say that Michonne's in the wrong for any of this, but there's no doubt that she can contribute to the situation by doing those things. Even if you have valid reasons for wanting to escape Monroe, for killing Randall, and so forth, you can't really expect Norma and her crew to be introspective enough to see it the same way. In their eyes, Michonne is, or can be, just as much an instigator as Sam.

    To be fair, Michonne can contribute to it. If she doesn't let Pete go, she ends up killing a few people on the way out. They held us

  • I let her get eaten. May have regretted it, but there's not one Telltale Game I can play and not have SOME regrets over, so.

  • I left her to be eaten. I was still fighting off her goons that she just ordered to "burn the whole fuckin house down", so yeah I went ahead and kept the bullet. I both pitied and resented her, I won't say she deserved it but I can't say I'm too bothered by it either. She brought it on herself, but for arguably understandable reasons... If only Randall wasn't a factor things could have gone very differently.

  • I shot her. Seriously pitied her, because she lost almost the whole community in the spank of a day and even after shooting Gabby she wanted to resolve everything without further bloodshed. Shame Telltale forced us to kill Randall in such a stupid way if you kept him alive to antagonize Norma, though I understand that they wanted to initiate conflict either way. Honestly, I felt like a villain playing this mini-series.

  • I would have shot her to end her suffering, but then she shot poor Zachary!! I liked him dammit! So I just chose to leave her..

  • I 'put her out of her misery' too. I didn't really mind her that much, she seemed fairly reasonable and she did stick to her word for the most-part. Randall was kinda amusing even though he was a grade-A dickhole, but I opted to give him back to Norma once I got the 1st friend back. In the end it all worked out pretty much the same as always and choices mean jack squat, but at least I could feel like I did everything I could to keep everyone alive.

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