You also have a point there. I also don't like how Kenny never changed at all. Especially after Lee died, he should have realized how ridiculous he acted and how hypocritical he was towards Ben since Ben's situation was accidental.
But yeah the other characters should have survived. Maybe not Carlos so Sarah might improve on her life.
I think the problem wasn't that they focused on Kenny allot in Season 2, I think it's that they didn't have much focus on other characters(C… morearlos, Sarita and Mike as some examples). I think Kenny's spotlight would've been taken better if other characters didn't get overshadowed in comparison.
Well I didn't say some people didn't bring valid points to it, but some others do demonize him for the sake of it. You can't ignore that Kenny, objectively, isn't a complete monster either.
Come on now, @Deltino. We all know that the only reason Kenny had so much development is because he was a series regular. I honestly doubt that his story would be the same if we just met him at the lodge. Besides, don't think that a new character would be able to overshine the Howe's escapees had Kenny not been there. People would notice—more than they noticed with Kenny—and be mad as hell.
Or someone else would get all the development, while the rest of the cabin group gets cast aside like they do now
Even if Kenny wasn't th… moreere, there's a good chance that another character would have just taken up the mantle and stole all the screentime instead
I assume that Telltale included him in Season 1 because they were afraid that fans would complain that none of the characters/relationships from S1 matter. Otherwise Luke or maybe Mike would take his place and there would be some sort of choice between Luke/Jane/Mike. Maybe it would be better if Kenny would just die through defending+forgiving someone who indirectly killed his family or through saving a good friend.
In my first time i couldn't kill Kenny. I just couldn't do it ! Sometimes he was really crazy! But when Clem meet him ALIVE....heh, this was really "something special" in Season 2 I don't know if we'll see Kenny in Season 3, but i hope he was ALIVE anyway
Kenny actions/reactions in season 1 were understandable. His son's death and wife's suicide were too fresh. I really liked him up until Amid the Ruins when it became clear he was set on a self-destructive path and didn't care what anyone else thought. If you choose to have Clem help Arvo and Jane, Kenny hurts her. It was accidental of course, but shows a general disregard. If Season two had shown Kenny's recovery and growth, it would have been better in my opinion.
You also have a point there. I also don't like how Kenny never changed at all. Especially after Lee died, he should have realized how ridicu… morelous he acted and how hypocritical he was towards Ben since Ben's situation was accidental.
But yeah the other characters should have survived. Maybe not Carlos so Sarah might improve on her life.
If Season two had shown Kenny's recovery and growth, it would have been better in my opinion.
So much of this! I honestly would've put up with his crap if he had been working with Sarita's help on controlling his anger. He would've been a lot more interesting and dynamic, and it also would've given Sarita some more depth and relevance.
Kenny actions/reactions in season 1 were understandable. His son's death and wife's suicide were too fresh. I really liked him up until Amid… more the Ruins when it became clear he was set on a self-destructive path and didn't care what anyone else thought. If you choose to have Clem help Arvo and Jane, Kenny hurts her. It was accidental of course, but shows a general disregard. If Season two had shown Kenny's recovery and growth, it would have been better in my opinion.
Yep! Kenny overshadowed everyone else only to become a pathetic and irritating character. The end choice was still difficult for me to make, and Jane has her issues too...but if Telltale wasn't going to give Kenny a decent arc, they should have let some of the other characters shine. Nick's death was so abrupt and a letdown after he appeared to be building to something. Mike, Alvin, and Carlos were kind of just there. Bonnie was good, but they screwed up her development in the end by having her betray Clementine and the baby, which would be out of character in my opinion. (Maybe not if you choose "cover Luke")
If Season two had shown Kenny's recovery and growth, it would have been better in my opinion.
So much of this! I honestly would've p… moreut up with his crap if he had been working with Sarita's help on controlling his anger. He would've been a lot more interesting and dynamic, and it also would've given Sarita some more depth and relevance.
What about his actions before his son and wife got killed? Besides what Ben did was all accidental, Kenny however intended to kill Larry without even giving him the chance to recover.
Yes I agree. He was supposed to change into a better man but look what happened. Seemed rushed and made him a complete crazy individual.
Kenny actions/reactions in season 1 were understandable. His son's death and wife's suicide were too fresh. I really liked him up until Amid… more the Ruins when it became clear he was set on a self-destructive path and didn't care what anyone else thought. If you choose to have Clem help Arvo and Jane, Kenny hurts her. It was accidental of course, but shows a general disregard. If Season two had shown Kenny's recovery and growth, it would have been better in my opinion.
Yeah that could have happened and Kenny not being there doesn't gurantee anything. Luke had plenty enough screentime to get on but truth is he just wasn't really that interesting and there wasn't much they could do with him. Nick probably should have had more screentime but I didn't really think he was anything special either. Alvin was a successful character despite limited screentime imo.
I think that these guys just not being as interesting as season 1 characters is the major reason why they didn't flourish. Lack of screentime might have played a part to a lesser extent though.
Or someone else would get all the development, while the rest of the cabin group gets cast aside like they do now
Even if Kenny wasn't th… moreere, there's a good chance that another character would have just taken up the mantle and stole all the screentime instead
I can see it already, sadly.
5 minutes into the game....
Clem and Kenny are walking through the woods when suddenly a group of bandits… more sneaks up on them..
A shootout breaks out and Ken takes a bullet for Clem. He says he'll buy her some time, but she's gotta get moving. Nooo, Kenny! she said.
Clem finally makes up her mind and realizes this is it for Kenneth, allowing her to run away.
Shots can be heard in the distance along with sinister outbursts of laugh by the bandits...
Clem meets another group of people.....
They all die.....
In Jane's case, she probably gets thrown off the roof by that new guy and he turns out to be some deranged lunatic who beats on women or something.
I want to be wrong so bad. Unfortunately, their treatment of determinant characters so far doesn't necessarily give me a lot of faith.
They did a decent job with Rodrik and Asher, but it's too early to judge considering there might be a second season.
Other than that, only Duncan and Royland had some sort of importance to the story and they still end up doing pretty much the same. I'm sorry, but personally, that's not "getting better" to me. Telltale has the uncanny ability to make hundreds of people cry, but they can't make a determinant character remotely relevant? We all know they're better than that. Why settle for "good enough" when greatness is staring right at us.
Yeah, I think he/she must've mistaken me for somebody else. I don't remember ever hating on Jane. I do defend Kenny a lot though, but I don't hate on other characters, or at least I don't recall doing so. It's been years. As I said, I don't even dislike her. I liked her until the finale.
Shots can be heard in the distance along with sinister outbursts of laugh by the bandits...
I want to be wrong so bad.
I want you to be wrong, too. I hate it when antagonists are stereotypical! The one thing that I will never forgive whoever was in charge of the first season is the poor characterization of the Save-Lots bandits. I don't know if we just saw that guy in the grey mask ten times or what, but they made it seem like everyone was a true psychopath. Eating food that was everyone's property, then killing that person for it, calling one another "shit-for-brains," raping a little girl, and it was implied that they then gave her to the St. John's in exchange for food.
Danny seemed like a paedophile, too, right? Maybe he raped Danielle on the way.
I can see it already, sadly.
5 minutes into the game....
Clem and Kenny are walking through the woods when suddenly a group of bandits… more sneaks up on them..
A shootout breaks out and Ken takes a bullet for Clem. He says he'll buy her some time, but she's gotta get moving. Nooo, Kenny! she said.
Clem finally makes up her mind and realizes this is it for Kenneth, allowing her to run away.
Shots can be heard in the distance along with sinister outbursts of laugh by the bandits...
Clem meets another group of people.....
They all die.....
In Jane's case, she probably gets thrown off the roof by that new guy and he turns out to be some deranged lunatic who beats on women or something.
I want to be wrong so bad. Unfortunately, their treatment of determinant characters so far doesn't necessarily give me a lot of faith.
Yeah, I'm kind of tired of the same "Grrrr I'm evil!" shenanigans. Obviously, being a bad person is vital to an antagonist and one of its most common traits, but I would like to be put in a position where everything is gray and I can't really tell who the real villain is. I feel like they did a decent job with Norma from the Michonne series, but she still ends up looking like complete douchebag by the end of the game.
If they were to stick to the basics of villany, though, I would at least like for them to make him a real threat and last until the end of the season at least.
Shots can be heard in the distance along with sinister outbursts of laugh by the bandits...
I want to be wrong so bad.
I want… more you to be wrong, too. I hate it when antagonists are stereotypical! The one thing that I will never forgive whoever was in charge of the first season is the poor characterization of the Save-Lots bandits. I don't know if we just saw that guy in the grey mask ten times or what, but they made it seem like everyone was a true psychopath. Eating food that was everyone's property, then killing that person for it, calling one another "shit-for-brains," raping a little girl, and it was implied that they then gave her to the St. John's in exchange for food.
Danny seemed like a paedophile, too, right? Maybe he raped Danielle on the way.
I absolutely loved the way the apocalypse molded Kenny, making him even more ill-tempered and crazy, but I can see why folks would want to kill him. The man was suffering. But in my playthrough, I let him kill Jane. I just couldn't let him go.
I think that these guys just not being as interesting as season 1 characters is the major reason why they didn't flourish. Lack of screentime might have played a part to a lesser extent though.
While I agree that some of the Season 2 characters weren't as interesting, mainly Luke, I do believe that the lack of screentime had played somewhat of a major part of why the Cabin Group wasn't as developed as the Motel Group were, and it's most likely because of the episode length being different between the two seasons.
When you have an episode in Season 1 that can take up to two hours, have hubs to allow for character development, and then compare that episode to a typical episode in Season 2 that can be done in roughly an hour and a half, and is lacking in hubs, people are going to notice that certain characters were lacking in screentime and development in a story that was supposedly meant to be about them.
This can feel egregious when a returning character arrives in Season 2 and is given more focus than the supposedly main characters in a story that was setting up the conflict between Carver and the Cabin Group. Considering how Kenny can be considered the tritagonist (not in a literal sense) of Season 1, his reintroduction had also gained him more screentime than the Cabin Group, who were introduced first, giving some of the audience the impression that Season 2 was really all about him and not the Cabin Group as was advertised.
It doesn't also help that the writers does not seem to know what to do with the Cabin Group for most of the time and could all be easily written out, especially when the writers were eager to have Kenny stay in Season 2 and potentially survive for another season.
Put simply, I do believe that a returning character shouldn't be given so much focus in a story that does not revolve around them, otherwise their appearance makes other characters with potential completely redundant if not handed correctly, which I believe that Season 2 did not do well.
Yeah that could have happened and Kenny not being there doesn't gurantee anything. Luke had plenty enough screentime to get on but truth is … morehe just wasn't really that interesting and there wasn't much they could do with him. Nick probably should have had more screentime but I didn't really think he was anything special either. Alvin was a successful character despite limited screentime imo.
I think that these guys just not being as interesting as season 1 characters is the major reason why they didn't flourish. Lack of screentime might have played a part to a lesser extent though.
I personally think he should have never returned at all. That way, characters like Luke, Nick, Alvin, etc would flourish in character development
I dont think it would have mattered to be honest because for me the writing in season 2 wasn't brilliant anyway. I mean, i did like the game don't get me wrong but i felt they wasted a lot of potential and I don't think Kenny was the reason that they lacked development. You only have to look at how Season 1 was in comparison. Almost everyone got development even if they weren't on for long
I think that these guys just not being as interesting as season 1 characters is the major reason why they didn't flourish. Lack of screentim… moree might have played a part to a lesser extent though.
While I agree that some of the Season 2 characters weren't as interesting, mainly Luke, I do believe that the lack of screentime had played somewhat of a major part of why the Cabin Group wasn't as developed as the Motel Group were, and it's most likely because of the episode length being different between the two seasons.
When you have an episode in Season 1 that can take up to two hours, have hubs to allow for character development, and then compare that episode to a typical episode in Season 2 that can be done in roughly an hour and a half, and is lacking in hubs, people are going to notice that certain characters were lacking in screentime and development in a story that was supposedly meant to be about them.
This can feel egregious w… [view original content]
What about his actions before his son and wife got killed? Besides what Ben did was all accidental,
True and we all know Ben wasn't a bad kid and meant none of it. I think in the end he forgave Ben as he seemed to understand more during the convo in the attic and later how he selflessly mercy killed him (if you didn't drop Ben in Crawford).
Kenny however intended to kill Larry without even giving him the chance to recover.
Because he was scared he'd come back and kill all of them. I found his actions rushed but understandable and i would do the same thing rather than risk myself or the group being trapped with him. Plus it would have been very hard to help Larry as I know if it was me that had the heart attack, he wouldn't have helped me given the fact he left Lee to die in the drugstore
What about his actions before his son and wife got killed? Besides what Ben did was all accidental, Kenny however intended to kill Larry wit… morehout even giving him the chance to recover.
Yes I agree. He was supposed to change into a better man but look what happened. Seemed rushed and made him a complete crazy individual.
It doesn't also help that the writers does not seem to know what to do with the Cabin Group for most of the time<
I think that's what it mostly boils down to. A lack of good direction for these characters. Season 1 was much better at giving characters better direction and better character arcs. Probably why people didn't complain much about not enough screetime for this and that character so often (the ones who did have little screentime). Jane probably had around the same screentime as Luke, if not less. Since the direction of her character was better, she became pretty popular. I imagine there would be less people complaining that she didn't get enough screentime.
I think that these guys just not being as interesting as season 1 characters is the major reason why they didn't flourish. Lack of screentim… moree might have played a part to a lesser extent though.
While I agree that some of the Season 2 characters weren't as interesting, mainly Luke, I do believe that the lack of screentime had played somewhat of a major part of why the Cabin Group wasn't as developed as the Motel Group were, and it's most likely because of the episode length being different between the two seasons.
When you have an episode in Season 1 that can take up to two hours, have hubs to allow for character development, and then compare that episode to a typical episode in Season 2 that can be done in roughly an hour and a half, and is lacking in hubs, people are going to notice that certain characters were lacking in screentime and development in a story that was supposedly meant to be about them.
This can feel egregious w… [view original content]
I guess you could say Kenny has a predisposition to rash actions? That was a tough call to make though. They were escaping cannabalistic captors. How long could they afford to wait to revive Larry? They couldn't carry him. Kenny should have given Lilly a few more minutes then sent her ahead while he took care of business. I think her father being smashed in the face with a block was more traumatic than his actual death.
What about his actions before his son and wife got killed? Besides what Ben did was all accidental, Kenny however intended to kill Larry wit… morehout even giving him the chance to recover.
Yes I agree. He was supposed to change into a better man but look what happened. Seemed rushed and made him a complete crazy individual.
I replayed the ending 4 times. First time I ended up with Jane, but it didn't feel right. Then I let Kenny kill Jane and I ended up at Wellington with AJ. Next I let Kenny kill Jane and I shot Kenny and I was on my own with AJ and a herd of walkers, which had me covering myself and AJ in zombie guts to get though the herd. Then finally I let Kenny kill Jane and we got to Welllington and I refused to stay without Kenny, so I left with him. I have all 4 endings saved to different files so that when season 3 finally comes out I can see which scenario I like best.
I guess you could say Kenny has a predisposition to rash actions? That was a tough call to make though. They were escaping cannabalistic cap… moretors. How long could they afford to wait to revive Larry? They couldn't carry him. Kenny should have given Lilly a few more minutes then sent her ahead while he took care of business. I think her father being smashed in the face with a block was more traumatic than his actual death.
Hmm, I wonder how the game would've gone if instead of Kenny going back to his old ways but more aggressively that he'd been softer like Sarita said he was when she found him? Rather than being aggressive, showing more affection and fear of losing those he loves and then have him get more aggressive as more crud hits the fan, it would've been pretty understandable if he got angry again after witnessing everything basically happening to him all over again. Just a thought, it would've been nice not to get yelled at most of the time for disagreeing imo.
You also have a point there. I also don't like how Kenny never changed at all. Especially after Lee died, he should have realized how ridicu… morelous he acted and how hypocritical he was towards Ben since Ben's situation was accidental.
But yeah the other characters should have survived. Maybe not Carlos so Sarah might improve on her life.
I too felt some characters were unrealistic... Mike and especially Bonnie just leaving Clementine, Kenny, Jane and AJ to die and they freaking took all the supplies and the vehicle with them? To save Arvo as well? I actually did think of some reasons why they would leave - mostly due to Kenny's treatment of Arvo and Luke's death, however, it doesn't feel like them... Mike was nice to Clementine throughout the whole Season and just abandons him to save Arvo because he's mad at Kenny?
Bonnie risks her life to help the group escape Howe's, bonds with Clementine and shows how much she trusts in her and then she gets pissed and blames Clementine for letting Luke drown, even though he tells her not to? What's worse is that she still leaves even if Clementine did try to save Luke. She just takes the second bag of supplies leaving Clementine and AJ for dead. What was the point in building up a relationship between Clementine and Bonnie when she just leaves her regardless without much of a reasoning to? I guess one could argue that some people make these decisions even if they feel it's wrong but it just feels a bit too wrong in my opinion
Yep! Kenny overshadowed everyone else only to become a pathetic and irritating character. The end choice was still difficult for me to make,… more and Jane has her issues too...but if Telltale wasn't going to give Kenny a decent arc, they should have let some of the other characters shine. Nick's death was so abrupt and a letdown after he appeared to be building to something. Mike, Alvin, and Carlos were kind of just there. Bonnie was good, but they screwed up her development in the end by having her betray Clementine and the baby, which would be out of character in my opinion. (Maybe not if you choose "cover Luke")
I'd actually argue with the second point, if Lee had a heart attack, Larry might help him. If you give Larry the axe, regardless of your relationship he'll try to or successfully save you from zombie David or Travis. Whilst he's an ass, the only time he left someone behind was when he almost knocked Lee out at the Drug Store because he saw him as a threat, knowing he killed a State Senator. Plus it would probably be more likely if you had a good relationship with Lilly and Larry. It's hard to know when all we can really do is assume, not everyone acts by attitude after all It could very well have been Kenny trying to kill Lee whilst Larry tried to save him(considering he knows what it feels like to suffer from a heart attack, I feel that he'd at least show some mercy/sympathy).
What about his actions before his son and wife got killed? Besides what Ben did was all accidental,
True and we all know Ben wasn't … morea bad kid and meant none of it. I think in the end he forgave Ben as he seemed to understand more during the convo in the attic and later how he selflessly mercy killed him (if you didn't drop Ben in Crawford).
Kenny however intended to kill Larry without even giving him the chance to recover.
Because he was scared he'd come back and kill all of them. I found his actions rushed but understandable and i would do the same thing rather than risk myself or the group being trapped with him. Plus it would have been very hard to help Larry as I know if it was me that had the heart attack, he wouldn't have helped me given the fact he left Lee to die in the drugstore
It'd basically make lots of people ask "Why?" Why even give us the option to choose different endings if they won't have an effect longer than 2-10 minutes right after the decision is made?
I have to disagree about Mike. It's like how a lot of people were angry with Jane for leaving after the baby was born. Mike and Jane had no connection to Clementine or the cabin group, so I wasn't surprised at either of them leaving. At least Jane came back. Mike was a neutral character to me. Someone who was along for the ride as long as it benefited him. Bonnie is another matter. It would be normal for her to look for someone to place the blame on for Luke's death. (Especially since she was partly responsible, but I don't think he was getting out with or without help.) Telltale messed up by having her abandon Clementine (totally unfair because she tried to help Luke either way) instead of her cooling off and apologising like Kenny did after he accuses you in similar fashion of being responsible for Sarita's death. Like some other people have said, it should have been Kenny v. Luke if they were going to make Kenny an a-hole, or actually let you go with Mike and Bonnie as the third option. The "alone" option was stupid. How can Clementine take care of a baby by herself and defend against walkers, look for food, etc. ?
I too felt some characters were unrealistic... Mike and especially Bonnie just leaving Clementine, Kenny, Jane and AJ to die and they freaki… moreng took all the supplies and the vehicle with them? To save Arvo as well? I actually did think of some reasons why they would leave - mostly due to Kenny's treatment of Arvo and Luke's death, however, it doesn't feel like them... Mike was nice to Clementine throughout the whole Season and just abandons him to save Arvo because he's mad at Kenny?
Bonnie risks her life to help the group escape Howe's, bonds with Clementine and shows how much she trusts in her and then she gets pissed and blames Clementine for letting Luke drown, even though he tells her not to? What's worse is that she still leaves even if Clementine did try to save Luke. She just takes the second bag of supplies leaving Clementine and AJ for dead. What was the point in building up a relationship between Clementine and Bonnie when she ju… [view original content]
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You also have a point there. I also don't like how Kenny never changed at all. Especially after Lee died, he should have realized how ridiculous he acted and how hypocritical he was towards Ben since Ben's situation was accidental.
But yeah the other characters should have survived. Maybe not Carlos so Sarah might improve on her life.
I think you've been more demonizing of Jane than most people on the forum, curious as to how that cognitive dissonance works.
Come on now, @Deltino. We all know that the only reason Kenny had so much development is because he was a series regular. I honestly doubt that his story would be the same if we just met him at the lodge. Besides, don't think that a new character would be able to overshine the Howe's escapees had Kenny not been there. People would notice—more than they noticed with Kenny—and be mad as hell.
I assume that Telltale included him in Season 1 because they were afraid that fans would complain that none of the characters/relationships from S1 matter. Otherwise Luke or maybe Mike would take his place and there would be some sort of choice between Luke/Jane/Mike. Maybe it would be better if Kenny would just die through defending+forgiving someone who indirectly killed his family or through saving a good friend.
Um, I didn't demonize her. In fact, I don't dislike her either. Don't pull that "cognitive dissonance" thing on me, please.
In my first time i couldn't kill Kenny. I just couldn't do it ! Sometimes he was really crazy! But when Clem meet him ALIVE....heh, this was really "something special" in Season 2
I don't know if we'll see Kenny in Season 3, but i hope he was ALIVE anyway 
Kenny actions/reactions in season 1 were understandable. His son's death and wife's suicide were too fresh. I really liked him up until Amid the Ruins when it became clear he was set on a self-destructive path and didn't care what anyone else thought. If you choose to have Clem help Arvo and Jane, Kenny hurts her. It was accidental of course, but shows a general disregard. If Season two had shown Kenny's recovery and growth, it would have been better in my opinion.
So much of this! I honestly would've put up with his crap if he had been working with Sarita's help on controlling his anger. He would've been a lot more interesting and dynamic, and it also would've given Sarita some more depth and relevance.
Yep! Kenny overshadowed everyone else only to become a pathetic and irritating character. The end choice was still difficult for me to make, and Jane has her issues too...but if Telltale wasn't going to give Kenny a decent arc, they should have let some of the other characters shine. Nick's death was so abrupt and a letdown after he appeared to be building to something. Mike, Alvin, and Carlos were kind of just there. Bonnie was good, but they screwed up her development in the end by having her betray Clementine and the baby, which would be out of character in my opinion. (Maybe not if you choose "cover Luke")
What about his actions before his son and wife got killed? Besides what Ben did was all accidental, Kenny however intended to kill Larry without even giving him the chance to recover.
Yes I agree. He was supposed to change into a better man but look what happened. Seemed rushed and made him a complete crazy individual.
I think it was that guy that had Kenny in his name and had the same avatar as you. lol
Yeah that could have happened and Kenny not being there doesn't gurantee anything. Luke had plenty enough screentime to get on but truth is he just wasn't really that interesting and there wasn't much they could do with him. Nick probably should have had more screentime but I didn't really think he was anything special either. Alvin was a successful character despite limited screentime imo.
I think that these guys just not being as interesting as season 1 characters is the major reason why they didn't flourish. Lack of screentime might have played a part to a lesser extent though.
I can see it already, sadly.
5 minutes into the game....
Clem and Kenny are walking through the woods when suddenly a group of bandits sneaks up on them..
A shootout breaks out and Ken takes a bullet for Clem. He says he'll buy her some time, but she's gotta get moving. Nooo, Kenny! she said.
Clem finally makes up her mind and realizes this is it for Kenneth, allowing her to run away.
Shots can be heard in the distance along with sinister outbursts of laugh by the bandits...
Clem meets another group of people.....
They all die.....
In Jane's case, she probably gets thrown off the roof by that new guy and he turns out to be some deranged lunatic who beats on women or something.
I want to be wrong so bad. Unfortunately, their treatment of determinant characters so far doesn't necessarily give me a lot of faith.
C'mon telltale have been getting better with determinant characters.
I really don't think so.
They did a decent job with Rodrik and Asher, but it's too early to judge considering there might be a second season.
Other than that, only Duncan and Royland had some sort of importance to the story and they still end up doing pretty much the same. I'm sorry, but personally, that's not "getting better" to me. Telltale has the uncanny ability to make hundreds of people cry, but they can't make a determinant character remotely relevant? We all know they're better than that. Why settle for "good enough" when greatness is staring right at us.
Yeah, I think he/she must've mistaken me for somebody else. I don't remember ever hating on Jane. I do defend Kenny a lot though, but I don't hate on other characters, or at least I don't recall doing so. It's been years. As I said, I don't even dislike her. I liked her until the finale.
I want you to be wrong, too. I hate it when antagonists are stereotypical! The one thing that I will never forgive whoever was in charge of the first season is the poor characterization of the Save-Lots bandits. I don't know if we just saw that guy in the grey mask ten times or what, but they made it seem like everyone was a true psychopath. Eating food that was everyone's property, then killing that person for it, calling one another "shit-for-brains," raping a little girl, and it was implied that they then gave her to the St. John's in exchange for food.
Danny seemed like a paedophile, too, right? Maybe he raped Danielle on the way.
Yeah, I'm kind of tired of the same "Grrrr I'm evil!" shenanigans. Obviously, being a bad person is vital to an antagonist and one of its most common traits, but I would like to be put in a position where everything is gray and I can't really tell who the real villain is. I feel like they did a decent job with Norma from the Michonne series, but she still ends up looking like complete douchebag by the end of the game.
If they were to stick to the basics of villany, though, I would at least like for them to make him a real threat and last until the end of the season at least.
Kenny can't die in s3, he is the reincarnation of Jesus.
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I absolutely loved the way the apocalypse molded Kenny, making him even more ill-tempered and crazy, but I can see why folks would want to kill him. The man was suffering. But in my playthrough, I let him kill Jane. I just couldn't let him go.
In my playthrough Clem stayed at Wellington, so I prefer to think that Kenny is off having an adventure, eventually going down in a blaze of glory.
While I agree that some of the Season 2 characters weren't as interesting, mainly Luke, I do believe that the lack of screentime had played somewhat of a major part of why the Cabin Group wasn't as developed as the Motel Group were, and it's most likely because of the episode length being different between the two seasons.
When you have an episode in Season 1 that can take up to two hours, have hubs to allow for character development, and then compare that episode to a typical episode in Season 2 that can be done in roughly an hour and a half, and is lacking in hubs, people are going to notice that certain characters were lacking in screentime and development in a story that was supposedly meant to be about them.
This can feel egregious when a returning character arrives in Season 2 and is given more focus than the supposedly main characters in a story that was setting up the conflict between Carver and the Cabin Group. Considering how Kenny can be considered the tritagonist (not in a literal sense) of Season 1, his reintroduction had also gained him more screentime than the Cabin Group, who were introduced first, giving some of the audience the impression that Season 2 was really all about him and not the Cabin Group as was advertised.
It doesn't also help that the writers does not seem to know what to do with the Cabin Group for most of the time and could all be easily written out, especially when the writers were eager to have Kenny stay in Season 2 and potentially survive for another season.
Put simply, I do believe that a returning character shouldn't be given so much focus in a story that does not revolve around them, otherwise their appearance makes other characters with potential completely redundant if not handed correctly, which I believe that Season 2 did not do well.
Yeah apologies I think I mistook you for Kenny/lee because of the same profile picture.
I dont think it would have mattered to be honest because for me the writing in season 2 wasn't brilliant anyway. I mean, i did like the game don't get me wrong but i felt they wasted a lot of potential and I don't think Kenny was the reason that they lacked development. You only have to look at how Season 1 was in comparison. Almost everyone got development even if they weren't on for long
Completey agree Rich
True and we all know Ben wasn't a bad kid and meant none of it. I think in the end he forgave Ben as he seemed to understand more during the convo in the attic and later how he selflessly mercy killed him (if you didn't drop Ben in Crawford).
Because he was scared he'd come back and kill all of them. I found his actions rushed but understandable and i would do the same thing rather than risk myself or the group being trapped with him. Plus it would have been very hard to help Larry as I know if it was me that had the heart attack, he wouldn't have helped me given the fact he left Lee to die in the drugstore
I think that's what it mostly boils down to. A lack of good direction for these characters. Season 1 was much better at giving characters better direction and better character arcs. Probably why people didn't complain much about not enough screetime for this and that character so often (the ones who did have little screentime). Jane probably had around the same screentime as Luke, if not less. Since the direction of her character was better, she became pretty popular. I imagine there would be less people complaining that she didn't get enough screentime.
I guess you could say Kenny has a predisposition to rash actions? That was a tough call to make though. They were escaping cannabalistic captors. How long could they afford to wait to revive Larry? They couldn't carry him. Kenny should have given Lilly a few more minutes then sent her ahead while he took care of business. I think her father being smashed in the face with a block was more traumatic than his actual death.
No problem. Yeah, the pics can be confusing at times.
if kenny doesnt come back in season 3 he should get his own game. maybe a mini series where you discover where he was between season 1 and 2. lol
I replayed the ending 4 times. First time I ended up with Jane, but it didn't feel right. Then I let Kenny kill Jane and I ended up at Wellington with AJ. Next I let Kenny kill Jane and I shot Kenny and I was on my own with AJ and a herd of walkers, which had me covering myself and AJ in zombie guts to get though the herd. Then finally I let Kenny kill Jane and we got to Welllington and I refused to stay without Kenny, so I left with him. I have all 4 endings saved to different files so that when season 3 finally comes out I can see which scenario I like best.
No that'd be Paul monroe
I agree
Hmm, I wonder how the game would've gone if instead of Kenny going back to his old ways but more aggressively that he'd been softer like Sarita said he was when she found him? Rather than being aggressive, showing more affection and fear of losing those he loves and then have him get more aggressive as more crud hits the fan, it would've been pretty understandable if he got angry again after witnessing everything basically happening to him all over again. Just a thought, it would've been nice not to get yelled at most of the time for disagreeing imo.
I too felt some characters were unrealistic... Mike and especially Bonnie just leaving Clementine, Kenny, Jane and AJ to die and they freaking took all the supplies and the vehicle with them? To save Arvo as well? I actually did think of some reasons why they would leave - mostly due to Kenny's treatment of Arvo and Luke's death, however, it doesn't feel like them... Mike was nice to Clementine throughout the whole Season and just abandons him to save Arvo because he's mad at Kenny?
Bonnie risks her life to help the group escape Howe's, bonds with Clementine and shows how much she trusts in her and then she gets pissed and blames Clementine for letting Luke drown, even though he tells her not to? What's worse is that she still leaves even if Clementine did try to save Luke. She just takes the second bag of supplies leaving Clementine and AJ for dead. What was the point in building up a relationship between Clementine and Bonnie when she just leaves her regardless without much of a reasoning to? I guess one could argue that some people make these decisions even if they feel it's wrong but it just feels a bit too wrong in my opinion![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
I'd actually argue with the second point, if Lee had a heart attack, Larry might help him. If you give Larry the axe, regardless of your relationship he'll try to or successfully save you from zombie David or Travis. Whilst he's an ass, the only time he left someone behind was when he almost knocked Lee out at the Drug Store because he saw him as a threat, knowing he killed a State Senator. Plus it would probably be more likely if you had a good relationship with Lilly and Larry. It's hard to know when all we can really do is assume, not everyone acts by attitude after all
It could very well have been Kenny trying to kill Lee whilst Larry tried to save him(considering he knows what it feels like to suffer from a heart attack, I feel that he'd at least show some mercy/sympathy).
It'd basically make lots of people ask "Why?" Why even give us the option to choose different endings if they won't have an effect longer than 2-10 minutes right after the decision is made?
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I have to disagree about Mike. It's like how a lot of people were angry with Jane for leaving after the baby was born. Mike and Jane had no connection to Clementine or the cabin group, so I wasn't surprised at either of them leaving. At least Jane came back. Mike was a neutral character to me. Someone who was along for the ride as long as it benefited him. Bonnie is another matter. It would be normal for her to look for someone to place the blame on for Luke's death. (Especially since she was partly responsible, but I don't think he was getting out with or without help.) Telltale messed up by having her abandon Clementine (totally unfair because she tried to help Luke either way) instead of her cooling off and apologising like Kenny did after he accuses you in similar fashion of being responsible for Sarita's death. Like some other people have said, it should have been Kenny v. Luke if they were going to make Kenny an a-hole, or actually let you go with Mike and Bonnie as the third option. The "alone" option was stupid. How can Clementine take care of a baby by herself and defend against walkers, look for food, etc. ?