When you look back on it, it doesn't make sense. Lee is always careful and on his guard (think the scene with Andy St John and Jolenes camp) then with this one, he just goes to grab a walkie or look behind the bins without expecting the situation. Terrible writing.
Have to agree with this. If we want to get really technical, it was extremely stupid of Lee to grab the piece of cardboard, so Lee's stupidi… morety is what got him killed. Telltale could have done it in a way where it was really an unpreventable accident during a big walker attack, but instead went with the have the character be a careless idiot route.
Also after watching the video again, it is a pretty bad scene. It is very much like Sarah getting caught under the concrete despite being on top of the platform. In this instance, the walker just pops up out of nowhere. It would have to be sitting there in the fetal position in just the right spot in order to be hidden there and how it got there in the first place I have no idea.
Then that just confirms what I had said then.
"Telltale wanted him to die." Exactly my point, all paths lead to the same demise, the journey doesn't matter in the end of the day cause his determination was set from the jump.
I think he was just very tired. I mean if we are getting technically, they had been up all night at Crawford. I don't know a lot about everyone else, but if you're up all night without sleep fighting off walkers, I think you have the tendacy to have a nap.
Lee probably in his mind didn't want to annoy Christa, plus no disrespect but she would've been more focused on Omid. I think it's just bad writing on telltales part.
We all have different opinions on the subject, which is okay. I just feel had Clementine woken Lee up and said "Lee, the man on the walkie, knows where my parents are". It would've been a lot better a lot better but that's what telltale went with.
While I do kinda put some blame on Clem, I put most of it on Lee. At the very beginning of episode 4, we see that Lee had taken the walkie t… morealkie from Clem once he discovered that Clem was talking to The Stranger. This is good parenting. But at the end of episode 4, when Clem is at her emotional worst (before Lee gets bitten and she sees her zombie parents, at least) because Lee just told her that they wouldn't be able to find her parents and Ben, her friend, could determinately be dead... Lee decides to put the walkie talkie down where Clem could easily see and take it and then he takes a nap? This is bad parenting. Like, really bad and ridiculously stupid for someone who is supposed to be an intelligent college professor. He didn't even take the batteries out, at least?
He could've (and should've) given the walkie talkie to Christa who was doing nothing of importance except for simply being by Omid's side in the bedroom. It's not like sh… [view original content]
I suggest not using a disability in your name, unless you're actually autistic.
If you think autism is funny, then it is you sir who should shut up, please just shut up.
But hey, If you have such strong words, care to explain your reason for me shutting up?
I suggest not using a disability in your name, unless you're actually autistic.
If you think autism is funny, then it is you sir who shoul… mored shut up, please just shut up.
But hey, If you have such strong words, care to explain your reason for me shutting up?
I suggest not using a disability in your name, unless you're actually autistic.
If you think autism is funny, then it is you sir who shoul… mored shut up, please just shut up.
But hey, If you have such strong words, care to explain your reason for me shutting up?
Well yeah part of it is her fault, but at the same time Lee deserves to be blamed as well.
Regardless of it being a ZA, Clem is still a nine year old girl and if you tell any nine year old that you can reunite them with their parents I think they'll trust you.
I find it extremely weird that people try to assign all of the blame onto Clem, as if Lee was a robot that couldn't make any decisions for himself. No, Lee tried to find the one person that (non-determinate) he still cared about and it got him killed. He fucked up too, not just Clem.
When you look back on it, it doesn't make sense. Lee is always careful and on his guard (think the scene with Andy St John and Jolenes camp)… more then with this one, he just goes to grab a walkie or look behind the bins without expecting the situation. Terrible writing.
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I hate to break it to you but Lee is dead and is not coming back. Same with Luke and Ben, they sacrificed themselves to save others and that is one of the points behind the game. If the only point of the game is to play characters you like then what is the reason for playing at all? You should play the game for the storylines and action that is packed within them.
GUYS LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE!
Look, all i want and i know all of you lot want this aswell, is to force telltale to bring lee back in season 3… more because we have all been crying in the final goodbye with lee and clem, but they have not showed us where he got shot, yeh she is nine and she is kinda dopey, so think about it she could have missed the shot and TELLTALE if ur reading this BRING LEE BACK this is for you, you WILL and i mean WILL lose players of the walking dead if you dont bring back the people we loved such as lee, luke, ben and other loved ones cuz it would be amazing if we had all the loved people we had in season three going against the world (Zombie World) as a group, tbh i think if u brought lee back for clementine as a GOOD zombie or gave him med so he could be better you would bring telltale as an even more popular game so just think about what your going to do in the coming seasons, and i swear to god if lee does not come back t… [view original content]
GUYS LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE!
Look, all i want and i know all of you lot want this aswell, is to force telltale to bring lee back in season 3… more because we have all been crying in the final goodbye with lee and clem, but they have not showed us where he got shot, yeh she is nine and she is kinda dopey, so think about it she could have missed the shot and TELLTALE if ur reading this BRING LEE BACK this is for you, you WILL and i mean WILL lose players of the walking dead if you dont bring back the people we loved such as lee, luke, ben and other loved ones cuz it would be amazing if we had all the loved people we had in season three going against the world (Zombie World) as a group, tbh i think if u brought lee back for clementine as a GOOD zombie or gave him med so he could be better you would bring telltale as an even more popular game so just think about what your going to do in the coming seasons, and i swear to god if lee does not come back t… [view original content]
I hate to break it to you but Lee is dead and is not coming back. Same with Luke and Ben, they sacrificed themselves to save others and that… more is one of the points behind the game. If the only point of the game is to play characters you like then what is the reason for playing at all? You should play the game for the storylines and action that is packed within them.
I never said Telltale's intent was the same with Clementine, just that the narrative and the foreshadowing in season 1 would lead one to infer that determinism is one of the focal points used in Lee's story to eventually lead to his death.
Season 2 was too all over the place for any firm foreshadowing to be used effectively in the long term.
and if lee hadn't been bitten then he would still have Clem,
like what would u do if u was lee? stay with clem or fucking get bit and find out that walkers guts work to blend in
Well my brother has autism, low functioning actually, so I was merely asking. Seeing how using autism is a popular insult on the internet these days.
My apologies on who you were meantioning.
I can understand her desire, but what she did, running off without letting anyone know was foolish. There was nothing wrong with waking lee up and telling him, after all, lee is the one who was there for her since he met her, and she does that to him and the group. Pretty selfish if you ask me, at least duck actually listened to his adults.
Well yeah part of it is her fault, but at the same time Lee deserves to be blamed as well.
Regardless of it being a ZA, Clem is still a n… moreine year old girl and if you tell any nine year old that you can reunite them with their parents I think they'll trust you.
I find it extremely weird that people try to assign all of the blame onto Clem, as if Lee was a robot that couldn't make any decisions for himself. No, Lee tried to find the one person that (non-determinate) he still cared about and it got him killed. He fucked up too, not just Clem.
You misread it.
I think season one is the best game they have made, trust me, if you've seen me on here, 95% of what I comment, has to do with season one.
I meant what they did with lee being bit was terrible writing. I could say the same with making luke turn into a asshole in a second in amid the ruins.
When did I say lee was coming back? This is about clementine causing his death.
Ben didn't sacrifice himself, he wanted lee to let go because he felt he was a failure. It's only if you save him that he wants to redeem himself.
Well I played season one treating clementine like she didn't exist in the choices I could get and I was happy with it.
I hate to break it to you but Lee is dead and is not coming back. Same with Luke and Ben, they sacrificed themselves to save others and that… more is one of the points behind the game. If the only point of the game is to play characters you like then what is the reason for playing at all? You should play the game for the storylines and action that is packed within them.
GUYS LISTEN TO THIS PLEASE!
Look, all i want and i know all of you lot want this aswell, is to force telltale to bring lee back in season 3… more because we have all been crying in the final goodbye with lee and clem, but they have not showed us where he got shot, yeh she is nine and she is kinda dopey, so think about it she could have missed the shot and TELLTALE if ur reading this BRING LEE BACK this is for you, you WILL and i mean WILL lose players of the walking dead if you dont bring back the people we loved such as lee, luke, ben and other loved ones cuz it would be amazing if we had all the loved people we had in season three going against the world (Zombie World) as a group, tbh i think if u brought lee back for clementine as a GOOD zombie or gave him med so he could be better you would bring telltale as an even more popular game so just think about what your going to do in the coming seasons, and i swear to god if lee does not come back t… [view original content]
Lee was always planned to die, so it wasn't any foreshadowing. If you play it through the start from when he gets bit, he goes from a intelligent careful guy to a stupid unaware moment just to set up the finale.
I didn't see him getting bit happening. I think it's because I thought that would be the worse thing to happen and when it did, it turned me off a lot to be honest.
I don't exactly know what that means.
I never said Telltale's intent was the same with Clementine, just that the narrative and the foresh… moreadowing in season 1 would lead one to infer that determinism is one of the focal points used in Lee's story to eventually lead to his death.
Season 2 was too all over the place for any firm foreshadowing to be used effectively in the long term.
True, but I think he would've been more prepared because a: he wasn't bitten so he wasn't drained and tired and b: the whole situation they were in could've been completely different. I don't know because it was never told that way .
When did I say lee was coming back? This is about clementine causing his death.
Ben didn't sacrifice himself, he wanted lee to let go beca… moreuse he felt he was a failure. It's only if you save him that he wants to redeem himself.
Well I played season one treating clementine like she didn't exist in the choices I could get and I was happy with it.
Touché. One could argue that maybe Lee and Clementine, plus Omid and Christa, would've settled at the Marsh House until the herd passed, but it is unlikely that they would've been able to get to the hotel in the first place. Walkers were kind of passing Lee by, if I remember correctly.
if u brought lee back for clementine as a GOOD zombie or gave him med so he could be better
Wut
if lee does not come back that… mores it, im done playing stupid fucking telltale
Yeah it would be stupid to not have a good zombie protagonist in WD. lee the half-zombie zombie slayer
I mean not like I wanted to see him dead, but he pretty much did all he needed to do. As soon as we met Christa and Omid, I always thought that it would be better for me to end up with them.
Even if that meant Lee letting me go with them, without him being bitten.
Clementine probably wouldn't want to tell Lee about it in case he would tell her no. She wants to find her parents, and at that point she saw Lee as an obstacle to that goal, while the stranger offered a way to fulfill it.
I can understand her desire, but what she did, running off without letting anyone know was foolish. There was nothing wrong with waking lee … moreup and telling him, after all, lee is the one who was there for her since he met her, and she does that to him and the group. Pretty selfish if you ask me, at least duck actually listened to his adults.
I think that because Lee decided to go to sleep instead of really trying to comfort her, she might have believed that he didn't care about her/what she wanted. We all know that's ridiculous but children think in weird ways. I agree that it was selfish but I don't hold it against her.
I can understand her desire, but what she did, running off without letting anyone know was foolish. There was nothing wrong with waking lee … moreup and telling him, after all, lee is the one who was there for her since he met her, and she does that to him and the group. Pretty selfish if you ask me, at least duck actually listened to his adults.
The more and more I think about it, the more mad I get. Why the Fuck did telltale kill Lee like this? As the OP stated they made Lee this intelligent, careful person into a absolute idiot to build up the Finale and to make way for Clementine to be PC in the next season. So no, it's not Clementine fault. Still love S1 one though.
Is Clementine at fault, yes she does bare responsibility for what happened, though I wouldn't say she was entirely at fault.
Remember Kenny and the others took the food out of the station wagon, which caused that man's family to die. So they in essence started the ball rolling.
Plus you have to remember that Clementine's character is a nine year old kid. And like any young child, she would want to find her parents. Can you imagine Carl not wanting to find Rick and Lori?
Imagine if you got separated from your parents in a disaster scenario? Wouldn't you do anything to find them? And don't you think they'd do anything to find you?
I feel season one had to end with lee dying, but the manner in how he died was poorly done.
I would've preferred clementine to be with kenny which at the end of my game. She did.
Am I the only one thats glad he died?
I mean not like I wanted to see him dead, but he pretty much did all he needed to do. As soon as we… more met Christa and Omid, I always thought that it would be better for me to end up with them.
Even if that meant Lee letting me go with them, without him being bitten.
Clementine said in long road ahead "we are suppose to stick together. We are a team" . I know it must of been hard for her to accept the truth, but she broke that oath her and lee made. Weather people choose to forgive her is their choice, but she betrayed lee and what they said to each other.
Clementine probably wouldn't want to tell Lee about it in case he would tell her no. She wants to find her parents, and at that point she saw Lee as an obstacle to that goal, while the stranger offered a way to fulfill it.
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When you look back on it, it doesn't make sense. Lee is always careful and on his guard (think the scene with Andy St John and Jolenes camp) then with this one, he just goes to grab a walkie or look behind the bins without expecting the situation. Terrible writing.
Clementine hasn't died yet. So your point isn't valid yet.
I think he was just very tired. I mean if we are getting technically, they had been up all night at Crawford. I don't know a lot about everyone else, but if you're up all night without sleep fighting off walkers, I think you have the tendacy to have a nap.
Lee probably in his mind didn't want to annoy Christa, plus no disrespect but she would've been more focused on Omid. I think it's just bad writing on telltales part.
We all have different opinions on the subject, which is okay. I just feel had Clementine woken Lee up and said "Lee, the man on the walkie, knows where my parents are". It would've been a lot better a lot better but that's what telltale went with.
I suggest not using a disability in your name, unless you're actually autistic.
If you think autism is funny, then it is you sir who should shut up, please just shut up.
But hey, If you have such strong words, care to explain your reason for me shutting up?
But not a lot of people wanted to directly blame her.
Jane already knew that later.
Wouldn't of made a difference to Clementine.
Wow, way to be rude as fuck, man.
And yes, I have Asperger's.
Oh, and here's another thing. I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to @IWantLeeBack.
Well yeah part of it is her fault, but at the same time Lee deserves to be blamed as well.
Regardless of it being a ZA, Clem is still a nine year old girl and if you tell any nine year old that you can reunite them with their parents I think they'll trust you.
I find it extremely weird that people try to assign all of the blame onto Clem, as if Lee was a robot that couldn't make any decisions for himself. No, Lee tried to find the one person that (non-determinate) he still cared about and it got him killed. He fucked up too, not just Clem.
Woah there, you can't talk about S1 that way
Terrible writing can only be used to describe S2 on this forum
Nah, I'm joking. I don't blame you people, nor Clementine or Lee.
Seriously, I blame the Stranger and that's it. Thankfully he got what he deserved.
True that, @Deltino.
Oh Then I'm sorry LOL.
No problem.
I hate to break it to you but Lee is dead and is not coming back. Same with Luke and Ben, they sacrificed themselves to save others and that is one of the points behind the game. If the only point of the game is to play characters you like then what is the reason for playing at all? You should play the game for the storylines and action that is packed within them.
It's just a story for fuck sakes.
PLUS there is no way that she missed that shot. What? You can't shoot a guy who is so close to you? Bruh.
It was her fault,but she didn't notice the danger she could be in. The stranger probably somewhat forced Clementine to abandon Lee and the group.
Luke and Ben don't sacrifice themselves
I don't exactly know what that means.
I never said Telltale's intent was the same with Clementine, just that the narrative and the foreshadowing in season 1 would lead one to infer that determinism is one of the focal points used in Lee's story to eventually lead to his death.
Season 2 was too all over the place for any firm foreshadowing to be used effectively in the long term.
Lee would have had a difficult time trying to save her through a herd though.
And if Clementine hadn't found boat, Lee wouldn't get bitten.
Look, it is butterfly effect and it is real life.
Well my brother has autism, low functioning actually, so I was merely asking. Seeing how using autism is a popular insult on the internet these days.
My apologies on who you were meantioning.
I can understand her desire, but what she did, running off without letting anyone know was foolish. There was nothing wrong with waking lee up and telling him, after all, lee is the one who was there for her since he met her, and she does that to him and the group. Pretty selfish if you ask me, at least duck actually listened to his adults.
You misread it.
I think season one is the best game they have made, trust me, if you've seen me on here, 95% of what I comment, has to do with season one.
I meant what they did with lee being bit was terrible writing. I could say the same with making luke turn into a asshole in a second in amid the ruins.
When did I say lee was coming back? This is about clementine causing his death.
Ben didn't sacrifice himself, he wanted lee to let go because he felt he was a failure. It's only if you save him that he wants to redeem himself.
Well I played season one treating clementine like she didn't exist in the choices I could get and I was happy with it.
Wut
Yeah it would be stupid to not have a good zombie protagonist in WD. lee the half-zombie zombie slayer
Lee was always planned to die, so it wasn't any foreshadowing. If you play it through the start from when he gets bit, he goes from a intelligent careful guy to a stupid unaware moment just to set up the finale.
I didn't see him getting bit happening. I think it's because I thought that would be the worse thing to happen and when it did, it turned me off a lot to be honest.
True, but I think he would've been more prepared because a: he wasn't bitten so he wasn't drained and tired and b: the whole situation they were in could've been completely different. I don't know because it was never told that way .
I think there was a mixup I was responding to IwantLeeBack's comment about Lee's return.
Touché. One could argue that maybe Lee and Clementine, plus Omid and Christa, would've settled at the Marsh House until the herd passed, but it is unlikely that they would've been able to get to the hotel in the first place. Walkers were kind of passing Lee by, if I remember correctly.
Maybe the notification system messed up.
Am I the only one thats glad he died?
I mean not like I wanted to see him dead, but he pretty much did all he needed to do. As soon as we met Christa and Omid, I always thought that it would be better for me to end up with them.
Even if that meant Lee letting me go with them, without him being bitten.
Clementine probably wouldn't want to tell Lee about it in case he would tell her no. She wants to find her parents, and at that point she saw Lee as an obstacle to that goal, while the stranger offered a way to fulfill it.
I think that because Lee decided to go to sleep instead of really trying to comfort her, she might have believed that he didn't care about her/what she wanted. We all know that's ridiculous but children think in weird ways. I agree that it was selfish but I don't hold it against her.
The more and more I think about it, the more mad I get. Why the Fuck did telltale kill Lee like this? As the OP stated they made Lee this intelligent, careful person into a absolute idiot to build up the Finale and to make way for Clementine to be PC in the next season. So no, it's not Clementine fault. Still love S1 one though.
Is Clementine at fault, yes she does bare responsibility for what happened, though I wouldn't say she was entirely at fault.
Remember Kenny and the others took the food out of the station wagon, which caused that man's family to die. So they in essence started the ball rolling.
Plus you have to remember that Clementine's character is a nine year old kid. And like any young child, she would want to find her parents. Can you imagine Carl not wanting to find Rick and Lori?
Imagine if you got separated from your parents in a disaster scenario? Wouldn't you do anything to find them? And don't you think they'd do anything to find you?
I feel season one had to end with lee dying, but the manner in how he died was poorly done.
I would've preferred clementine to be with kenny which at the end of my game. She did.
Clementine said in long road ahead "we are suppose to stick together. We are a team" . I know it must of been hard for her to accept the truth, but she broke that oath her and lee made. Weather people choose to forgive her is their choice, but she betrayed lee and what they said to each other.