Dude i was just kedding and yeah i hate arvo and i don't care to explain my heatred about him to any one cuz i never liked him i wish if jus… moret kenny shoot him off but wow mike and luke trying to be a heros i don't care to hear any defense about him cuz i already my decide how i feel about him and i don't care to change it or to listen any good words its said about him Or to hear the lawyers defending him
I was defending Ben in Season 1 as well! he made a big mistake, he got people killed and the group lost the motor inn..... but his intentions were good, he thought he was protecting them..... but still.... everyone hated him and wanted him abused and were wishing his death! THAT IS AN UNDESERVING HATE!
"Bonnie sent her out because Clementine was the lightest" seriously! terrible idea and it doesn't even make sense! just a poor excuse to get rid of luke
"They were afraid of Kenny because he was getting reckless and violent for no reason"
Is that a good excuse to let a poor innocent baby without food?? let a baby starve to death!?? and what about jane, kenny and clem? they would've die too! and yes...... FYI they took everything. Clementine: "that's everything we have"
"they were more than willing to have Clementine come along but Arvo prevented that"
ohhh! really! they could've saved jane or the baby! or clementine! the girl who helped them and saved them from carver but NOOOO.....! they decided to save that little shit instead! they owe their lifes to clementine! and thats how they repay her!?? they are all a bunch of ungrateful cowards! mike, bonnie and arvo! they belong together!
I'm defending the little guy cuz of people like you. I was defending Ben in Season 1, too. I defended Bonnie; I defend a lot of the people w… moreho are poorly treated/unfairly hated. That, and I told people to try and argue that Arvo was a jerk.
In a YouTube video it is seen that Arvo did wish that he could've met Clementine in a different way, as she was kind and that was not common.
Arvo didn't know that Natasha had reanimated and thought Clementine murdered her in cold blood.
Bonnie sent her out because Clementine was the lightest. There was a chance that Luke could be saved (and it should make you feel better that Luke was originally supposed to live ((there's audio clips on YouTube for proof of that)) but TTG canned that idea).
They were afraid of Kenny because he was getting reckless and violent for no reason - he was a broken man, and "broken people get reckless" -Luke
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Deal with it: Arvo was designed to be the villain after Carver
And this sums up my problem with Arvo: he was shoehorned into being a follow-up to Carver, a one-note doomsday villain, rather than being developed into the grey character he was set up to be. At least Carlos was clearly misguided as a Smart guy.
Thus, they have opposite problems: Carver was such a villain without being much of a character and Arvo was so much of a character waiting to be developed that his sudden treatment of a villain felt more than a little unwarranted for a while. I chose my profile pic for more than one reason....
c) Arvo tried to abandon the group on the lake, to do who knows what, maybe locking himself in the house?
f) Arvo tried to take the truck which Kenneth spent time working on, and was perfectly fine with leaving the 4 there to starve to death
h) Arvo's reason for hating Clem may seem idiotic for the community, as Clem HAD to shoot Natasha to save her own life
Yes, because how dare Arvo not be angry for the loss of his sister(his motivation/inspiration), be afraid for his life around the increasingly psychotic Kenny, and try to take what is technically his stuffaway from his captors!
g) Arvo was rude to you no matter how you treated him afterwards
I isolated this because I want you to explain this one. What do you mean exactly because he barely said anything to them?
i remember way back when i had a huge argument on why i adore arvo, and then later i was questioned on how i could like him when it was none of the person's business. after that, it seemed kinda like almost everyone had some sort of hatred for this kid. though, i'm glad that i was proven wrong; it's really heartwarming to see someone else who relates to arvo/likes arvo, especially when there's little to none of us out there who at least respect him as a human being. thank you for gathering up the courage to make this thread.
Well I don't HATE Arvo. However, despite if you sympathize with him or not, Arvo is, undoubtedly, an enemy of the group (AFTER the shooting … moresituation of course). So he is completely justified in everything he did, well so is almost everyone else in the series. I wish things have been different, I really do, but the kid is nothing more than an enemy who survived the shooting. Were it up to me, I would let Kenny kill him once we were done using him to get to the house. The world is like that now, and Clem's group certainly didn't start a "jail system" just yet.
No Hate, Your Mate.
If Kenny had killed him right after the firefight, Clementine wouldn't get shot, Luke would presumably be still alive and most of the group would be intact.
Why do people blame Arvo so much for what happened with Rebecca and Luke? Rebecca was likely dead before AJ started crying and while Arvo certainly helped to set up the conditions of Luke's death, it was really more on Clementine, Kenny, and Bonnie for getting him shot and not listening to him(so what else is new?).
And despite what you say, the only time Kenny beat Arvo was when Luke died (Which was partially Arvo's fault for running) and Arvo antagonized him by saying "Fuck you".
I think Arvo being sick of Kenny's shit is a reasonable response, especially if he knocked him out the night before. Kenny insulting his home, mocking his poverty and race, and literally pushing him around seconds prior didn't help. Besides, it was kinda awesome that he had the guts to do that at the time.
All this "Ooh but Kenny was abusing him at every opportunity "nonsense is making my head spin. If anything, Kenny acted like the most ratio… morenal and pragmatic individual - the guy who ambushes your group and breaks out a firefight (if non-intentionally) that put the group with an infant in mortal danger should be just left alone because what, he's a scared kid and he lost all his people? If Kenny had killed him right after the firefight, Clementine wouldn't get shot, Luke would presumably be still alive and most of the group would be intact. And despite what you say, the only time Kenny beat Arvo was when Luke died (Which was partially Arvo's fault for running) and Arvo antagonized him by saying "Fuck you". The only other time was if you chose to leave Kenny his space at the station - and he only did it in response to Arvo's bloody screaming that would attract walkers. And for those saying that Jane is better, remember that it was actually her who robbed a crippled kid and wanted to blow his brains out.
Arvo could have y'know just NOT shoot Clementine. That's what sealed the deal for me to hate this guy.
Arvo was warned at freaking gun point by Jane to not come back, but instead of listening to this friendly advice, he decided to do the opposite. Am I suppose to give a damn he sounded sad when robbing the group? Arvo led his Russian people straight to us after he fucked up doing something sneaky behind their back. Just trying to cover his ass by screwing over somebody else is this guy's M.O.
Sadly, he's both the culprit and a victim. The game gives us a reason to sympathize and understand why he did the things that he did. Arvo's cripple, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time (hiding the medical supplies), tried to stop the fighting when he heard baby AJA, wanted to escape Kenny's wrath, and thought Clementine killed his sister. Still after knowing this, I can't forgive what he did.
Also, saying "fuck you!" to a guy who just watched Luke die after his failed escape attempt and trying to rob the group, AND leading them to a broken shitty house, that is such a bad idea. So you get the crap beaten out of ya by the already pissed off dude in this world where there are no more laws to stop such a thing.
Arvo....nah he does not deserve all the hate he gets. I would still shoot him for shooting Clementine.....not cool....not fucking cool. I would show him how not fucking cool that shit is.
Arvo was warned at freaking gun point by Jane to not come back, but instead of listening to this friendly advice, he decided to do the opposite.
Cheh, "friendly". Also, he technically never came back to the deck, though he was traveling in that general direction. Eh. Also, fuck Jane!
Am I suppose to give a damn he sounded sad when robbing the group? Arvo led his Russian people straight to us after he fucked up doing something sneaky behind their back. Just trying to cover his ass by screwing over somebody else is this guy's M.O.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't exactly stealing from the group, considering Natasha needed that medicine and he clearly loves her alot. Im sure Arvo is supposed to be someone who doesn't approve of crimes such as highway robbery or murder, but he just goes along with them because he is weak and doesn't really have much of a choice. Well, that and I got the feeling that he believes in some form of justice, which can easily devolve into revenge.
that is such a bad idea
Yeah, that's a problem with Arvo in general. Don't let those glasses fool you.
Arvo could have y'know just NOT shoot Clementine. That's what sealed the deal for me to hate this guy.
Arvo was warned at freaking gun po… moreint by Jane to not come back, but instead of listening to this friendly advice, he decided to do the opposite. Am I suppose to give a damn he sounded sad when robbing the group? Arvo led his Russian people straight to us after he fucked up doing something sneaky behind their back. Just trying to cover his ass by screwing over somebody else is this guy's M.O.
Sadly, he's both the culprit and a victim. The game gives us a reason to sympathize and understand why he did the things that he did. Arvo's cripple, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time (hiding the medical supplies), tried to stop the fighting when he heard baby AJA, wanted to escape Kenny's wrath, and thought Clementine killed his sister. Still after knowing this, I can't forgive what he did.
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damn! you and the guy who started all this thread should start a club: "arvo's lovers" or "arvo's fanboys" the guy is totally guilty and you still defend him, if kenny would've killed him after the firefight, many disgraces would've been avoided.
He is not even interesting character, on the contrary..... he is scum! i dont know if your loyalty and love for him is admirable or completely laughable and pathetic. I dont know wich one.......
If Kenny had killed him right after the firefight, Clementine wouldn't get shot, Luke would presumably be still alive and most of the group … morewould be intact.
Why do people blame Arvo so much for what happened with Rebecca and Luke? Rebecca was likely dead before AJ started crying and while Arvo certainly helped to set up the conditions of Luke's death, it was really more on Clementine, Kenny, and Bonnie for getting him shot and not listening to him(so what else is new?).
And despite what you say, the only time Kenny beat Arvo was when Luke died (Which was partially Arvo's fault for running) and Arvo antagonized him by saying "Fuck you".
I think Arvo being sick of Kenny's shit is a reasonable response, especially if he knocked him out the night before. Kenny insulting his home, mocking his poverty and race, and literally pushing him around seconds prior didn't help. Besides, it was kinda awesome that he had the guts to do that at the time.
The stealing from the group bit was when I referring to Arvo robbing Clementine's group of everything they had. I'm not sure exactly what Arvo was doing when he took the meical supplies from his group. Stashing medical supplies and robbing Clem's group was probably all for his sister. Shame that all backfired.
Arvo was warned at freaking gun point by Jane to not come back, but instead of listening to this friendly advice, he decided to do the oppos… moreite.
Cheh, "friendly". Also, he technically never came back to the deck, though he was traveling in that general direction. Eh. Also, fuck Jane!
Am I suppose to give a damn he sounded sad when robbing the group? Arvo led his Russian people straight to us after he fucked up doing something sneaky behind their back. Just trying to cover his ass by screwing over somebody else is this guy's M.O.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't exactly stealing from the group, considering Natasha needed that medicine and he clearly loves her alot. Im sure Arvo is supposed to be someone who doesn't approve of crimes such as highway robbery or murder, but he just goes along with them because he is weak and doesn't really have much of a choice. Well, that and I got the feeling that he believes in some form of just… [view original content]
Sigh, poor Arvo, all he wanted to do is shoot an 11 year old girl in the arm and leave her dying in the cold even after if you help him... so misunderstood.
The hatred towards Arvo (Walking Dead: Season 2 - Episodes 4-5) is completely unjustified.
Right?
The hatred towards Troy was als… moreo completely unjustified. I mean, he was a borderline-sociopath that seemed to take pleasure in others' suffering and impliedly raped Jane and who knows how many people, but I know the real Troy is a good person.
Try and give me a good argument as to why Arvo is such a bad guy or deserving of the hatred he receives, and I WILL be able to counter that argument. Guaranteed.
Ok, here goes. He shot Clementine, sometimes the right answer is the simplest.
Where would they have gone to get food and supplies? They wouldn't have even had the car, are you kidding me.
What's wrong with liking Arvo? Why is it laughable and pathetic? He did one thing wrong and you act like he straight up murdered someone.
There is no need to get this angry over a few people defending a character.
damn! you and the guy who started all this thread should start a club: "arvo's lovers" or "arvo's fanboys" the guy is totally guilty and you… more still defend him, if kenny would've killed him after the firefight, many disgraces would've been avoided.
He is not even interesting character, on the contrary..... he is scum! i dont know if your loyalty and love for him is admirable or completely laughable and pathetic. I dont know wich one.......
You know what I hate about Arvo? He's another character in season 2 that started with complexity and potential and then was oversimplified to the point of deserving the hatred he gets from the fandom.
Out of the disappointment that was Amid the Ruins for me, Arvo was a highlight. He was complicated. We didn't truly know if he was the one to organize the robbery, or if he wanted to call it off if there was a baby, or if he regretted it when he realized Jane wasn't there. He was just a scared kid, and people could hate or defend him with equal justification.
Episode 5 happens and most of that character is replaced to be only Kenny's personal punching bag and Clementine's number 1 enemy. Common sense is thrown out the window. He swings wildly between a sympathetic kicked puppy to a resentful villain.
His blinded hatred for Clementine is forced just for the story. It's the zombie apocalypse, his sister was shot, losing blood, and was unresponsive. He should have been able to put two and two together and realize his sister was a zombie when Clementine had to shoot her. Even if he couldn't figure that out, it's still not unreasonable that an 11 year old girl was defending herself against a member of a rival group that just initiated a deadly shootout against them, especially with a baby in her hands. It was a possibility he should have been prepared for if they were going to ambush a group they knew were armed.
After that, absolutely nothing I could ever do made Arvo even try to understand that I wasn't the bad guy. It was a failure in creating consequences for choices. I could defend him from Kenny (even with saying he just lost a sister, which should have tipped Arvo off that I must have had a reason to kill her), and I never robbed him. If telltale had to absolutely have arvo shoot Clementine, then they should have varied how it happened. Example, have her shoot her if Clementine never really defended him or if she robbed him, but have him hesitate and slip his finger on the trigger (followed by actual remorse, like Lilly after shooting Doug. As it is you can argue he was just scared of Kenny coming out) if she didn't do either. At least it would feel like I had some influence over the complexity of his character.
And it's still hard for me to justify attempting to kill an 11 year old. Yeah yeah I know, she killed his sister. But she's a child. In the zombie apocalypse. Who can potentially show him kindness. Why would she be deserving of death? The absolutely only reason I can justify it is if she started calling out to Kenny and Jane, and in a hurry he instictively shot her to try to shut her up, without remembering the gunshot would be much louder than her.
Where would they have gone to get food and supplies? They wouldn't have even had the car, are you kidding me.
What's wrong with liking Ar… morevo? Why is it laughable and pathetic? He did one thing wrong and you act like he straight up murdered someone.
There is no need to get this angry over a few people defending a character.
I don't find actions driven by such selfishness can be classified as morally grey. We knew that his intent was "revenge." Which in and of itself certainly isn't morally pure. I'd argue in his case was morally vile.
But all-in-all, the episode is really to blame so I find that although Arvo is a fucking piece of bologna. Much like everything else, he's almost too unbelievable in his motivations.
Clementine would've realistically shot him the moment he reached back into his truck to pull out a rifle, and from a writing standpoint would've divided people more down the middle if there were a scene in which Clementine talks to a tied up Arvo rather than kicking the audience little glances of him and Mike sucking each other off or whatever the fuck she was seeing.
Dividing wasn't something TT wanted though, cause we're supposed to be invested in Kenny and Jane's arbitrary feud entirely so I assume they just wanted another "empathetic villain."
The hatred towards Troy was also completely unjustified. I mean, he was a borderline-sociopath that seemed to take pleasure in others' suffe… morering and impliedly raped Jane and who knows how many people, but I know the real Troy is a good person.
This has got to be the most self defeating arguments I have ever seen.
I mean I got the feeling that some of his more violent behavior was an act, too, but damn!
Also, while Owen Thomas(is that his name?) confirmed that that was supposed to be in the game, I always just took it as Jane slowly manipulating him over time by lettin him beat-beat-beat-beat-beat! I think it adds to her menace.
Ok, here goes. He shot Clementine, sometimes the right answer is the simplest.
This right here is gray/grey at its finest: why Arvo did it and what brought him to that point is relatively sympathetic, but that final action is what puts him into villain territory. Even if it is [annoyingly] blown out of proportion sometimes.
No, he's a swell guy.
Have a character who has a leg-brace on and gigantic bifocal nerd glasses, and he's rendered automatically a "misunderstood person."
Sympathy and pity are powerful.
Bonnie, Arvo and Mike were all afraid of Kenneth because they knew he was becoming unstable. They didn't get Jane or Clementine because they knew that either one of them COULD side with Kenneth in the current situation. They also knew they weren't far from a place they could get food.
And they wouldn't take baby food, smart one, because they don't need it.
Listen, you're using the same things over and over again. Until you start becoming rational about things and lay off the italics and exclamation points, I'll just ignore you.
I was defending Ben in Season 1 as well! he made a big mistake, he got people killed and the group lost the motor inn..... but his intention… mores were good, he thought he was protecting them..... but still.... everyone hated him and wanted him abused and were wishing his death! THAT IS AN UNDESERVING HATE!
"Bonnie sent her out because Clementine was the lightest" seriously! terrible idea and it doesn't even make sense! just a poor excuse to get rid of luke
"They were afraid of Kenny because he was getting reckless and violent for no reason"
Is that a good excuse to let a poor innocent baby without food?? let a baby starve to death!?? and what about jane, kenny and clem? they would've die too! and yes...... FYI they took everything. Clementine: "that's everything we have"
"they were more than willing to have Clementine come along but Arvo prevented that"
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If you're gonna compare Arvo to another character, try using someone that AT LEAST is a lot like Arvo.
....Sarah? Brie? Michelle? Vernon?
No but seriously, I would love to see a more appropriate comparison as well.
Arvo understands PERFECTLY well how the reanimation works but he was in the same situation that Lilly was in in Season 1 - there could've been a chance of saving her. He want made aware that his sister reanimated. Also, the reanimation times vary a lot in the game so bear with the little guy.
He wasn't hiding the medicine from his group - he was hiding it IN GENERAL - giving it a hiding spot until his group made it there.
It wasn't shock when Kenneth killed Larry. That was fear, afraid of what Lee or Lilly would do. Lee was much stronger than Ken and, as they say, 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'.
Actually, Kenny beats and pushes around the boy and there is a scenario where if you don't get Ken back to the fire and when Arvo yells at Mike to leave him alone, Kenneth actually beats Arvo unconscious.
All this "Ooh but Kenny was abusing him at every opportunity "nonsense is making my head spin. If anything, Kenny acted like the most ratio… morenal and pragmatic individual - the guy who ambushes your group and breaks out a firefight (if non-intentionally) that put the group with an infant in mortal danger should be just left alone because what, he's a scared kid and he lost all his people? If Kenny had killed him right after the firefight, Clementine wouldn't get shot, Luke would presumably be still alive and most of the group would be intact. And despite what you say, the only time Kenny beat Arvo was when Luke died (Which was partially Arvo's fault for running) and Arvo antagonized him by saying "Fuck you". The only other time was if you chose to leave Kenny his space at the station - and he only did it in response to Arvo's bloody screaming that would attract walkers. And for those saying that Jane is better, remember that it was actually her who robbed a crippled kid and wanted to blow his brains out.
It wasn't courage - it was the desire to just get into a good debate about this and bring some facts into light about Arvo so people can get their facts straight and quit being biased =.=
i remember way back when i had a huge argument on why i adore arvo, and then later i was questioned on how i could like him when it was none… more of the person's business. after that, it seemed kinda like almost everyone had some sort of hatred for this kid. though, i'm glad that i was proven wrong; it's really heartwarming to see someone else who relates to arvo/likes arvo, especially when there's little to none of us out there who at least respect him as a human being. thank you for gathering up the courage to make this thread.
Arvo could have y'know just NOT shoot Clementine. That's what sealed the deal for me to hate this guy.
Arvo was warned at freaking gun po… moreint by Jane to not come back, but instead of listening to this friendly advice, he decided to do the opposite. Am I suppose to give a damn he sounded sad when robbing the group? Arvo led his Russian people straight to us after he fucked up doing something sneaky behind their back. Just trying to cover his ass by screwing over somebody else is this guy's M.O.
Sadly, he's both the culprit and a victim. The game gives us a reason to sympathize and understand why he did the things that he did. Arvo's cripple, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time (hiding the medical supplies), tried to stop the fighting when he heard baby AJA, wanted to escape Kenny's wrath, and thought Clementine killed his sister. Still after knowing this, I can't forgive what he did.
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Arvo....nah he does not deserve all the hate he gets. I would still shoot him for shooting Clementine.....not cool....not fucking cool. I would show him how not fucking cool that shit is.
How many times have I put this up? I think for every comment... Anyways, to recap the confrontation: Arvo's sister gets shot and he attempts to revive her. Kenneth stops him and uses him as a human meat shield. Natasha reanimated and Clementine was forced to shoot her. Arvo DID NOT know Natasha had reanimated (HE KNOWS HOW IT WORKS BUT THE REANIMATION TIMES VARY!!). He believes she murdered his sister in cold blood. You try acceptin that even though someone is kind - the mistrust will ALWAYS be there.
Sigh, poor Arvo, all he wanted to do is shoot an 11 year old girl in the arm and leave her dying in the cold even after if you help him... so misunderstood.
damn! you and the guy who started all this thread should start a club: "arvo's lovers" or "arvo's fanboys." He is not even interesting character, on the contrary..... he is scum! i dont know if your loyalty and love for him is admirable or completely laughable and pathetic. I dont know wich one.......
Don't you just love that Black-and-White mentality?
Listen, dude, I don't know who you are but just because someone doesn't share your exact opinion on things doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. If you recall, I never said I liked Arvo, just that I think some of the sheer hatred some folks have for him is somewhat understandable, but also kinda silly in terms of the depths.
One of the first topics I created was about feeling sympathy for an antagonistic character and while I ended up using Arvo as my example, I was surprised just how much of my sympathy was more confusion and facepalming. My beef is more that he was set up to be a relatively interesting character but was just relegated to a bloodhound and punching bag for a majority of his remaining screentime because he is a "villain". I'd suggest checking it out, but I have to partially retype it, apparently.
I'm gonna have to suggest you take it down a notch in the future. We're all survivors here!
damn! you and the guy who started all this thread should start a club: "arvo's lovers" or "arvo's fanboys" the guy is totally guilty and you… more still defend him, if kenny would've killed him after the firefight, many disgraces would've been avoided.
He is not even interesting character, on the contrary..... he is scum! i dont know if your loyalty and love for him is admirable or completely laughable and pathetic. I dont know wich one.......
Bonnie, Arvo and Mike were all afraid of Kenneth because they knew he was becoming unstable. They didn't get Jane or Clementine because they… more knew that either one of them COULD side with Kenneth in the current situation. They also knew they weren't far from a place they could get food.
And they wouldn't take baby food, smart one, because they don't need it.
Listen, you're using the same things over and over again. Until you start becoming rational about things and lay off the italics and exclamation points, I'll just ignore you.
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Why, hello Kenny!
I was defending Ben in Season 1 as well! he made a big mistake, he got people killed and the group lost the motor inn..... but his intentions were good, he thought he was protecting them..... but still.... everyone hated him and wanted him abused and were wishing his death! THAT IS AN UNDESERVING HATE!
"Bonnie sent her out because Clementine was the lightest" seriously! terrible idea and it doesn't even make sense! just a poor excuse to get rid of luke
"They were afraid of Kenny because he was getting reckless and violent for no reason"
Is that a good excuse to let a poor innocent baby without food?? let a baby starve to death!?? and what about jane, kenny and clem? they would've die too! and yes...... FYI they took everything. Clementine: "that's everything we have"
"they were more than willing to have Clementine come along but Arvo prevented that"
ohhh! really! they could've saved jane or the baby! or clementine! the girl who helped them and saved them from carver but NOOOO.....! they decided to save that little shit instead! they owe their lifes to clementine! and thats how they repay her!?? they are all a bunch of ungrateful cowards! mike, bonnie and arvo! they belong together!
And this sums up my problem with Arvo: he was shoehorned into being a follow-up to Carver, a one-note doomsday villain, rather than being developed into the grey character he was set up to be. At least Carlos was clearly misguided as a Smart guy.
Thus, they have opposite problems: Carver was such a villain without being much of a character and Arvo was so much of a character waiting to be developed that his sudden treatment of a villain felt more than a little unwarranted for a while. I chose my profile pic for more than one reason....
Yes, because how dare Arvo not be angry for the loss of his sister(his motivation/inspiration), be afraid for his life around the increasingly psychotic Kenny, and try to take what is technically his stuffaway from his captors!
I isolated this because I want you to explain this one. What do you mean exactly because he barely said anything to them?
i remember way back when i had a huge argument on why i adore arvo, and then later i was questioned on how i could like him when it was none of the person's business. after that, it seemed kinda like almost everyone had some sort of hatred for this kid. though, i'm glad that i was proven wrong; it's really heartwarming to see someone else who relates to arvo/likes arvo, especially when there's little to none of us out there who at least respect him as a human being. thank you for gathering up the courage to make this thread.
Oh my goodness, you guys are making me like the Jane ending more and more, it seems.
Why do people blame Arvo so much for what happened with Rebecca and Luke? Rebecca was likely dead before AJ started crying and while Arvo certainly helped to set up the conditions of Luke's death, it was really more on Clementine, Kenny, and Bonnie for getting him shot and not listening to him(so what else is new?).
I think Arvo being sick of Kenny's shit is a reasonable response, especially if he knocked him out the night before. Kenny insulting his home, mocking his poverty and race, and literally pushing him around seconds prior didn't help. Besides, it was kinda awesome that he had the guts to do that at the time.
I do not care for the cut of his jib
Arvo could have y'know just NOT shoot Clementine. That's what sealed the deal for me to hate this guy.
Arvo was warned at freaking gun point by Jane to not come back, but instead of listening to this friendly advice, he decided to do the opposite. Am I suppose to give a damn he sounded sad when robbing the group? Arvo led his Russian people straight to us after he fucked up doing something sneaky behind their back. Just trying to cover his ass by screwing over somebody else is this guy's M.O.
Sadly, he's both the culprit and a victim. The game gives us a reason to sympathize and understand why he did the things that he did. Arvo's cripple, he was at the wrong place at the wrong time (hiding the medical supplies), tried to stop the fighting when he heard baby AJA, wanted to escape Kenny's wrath, and thought Clementine killed his sister. Still after knowing this, I can't forgive what he did.
Also, saying "fuck you!" to a guy who just watched Luke die after his failed escape attempt and trying to rob the group, AND leading them to a broken shitty house, that is such a bad idea. So you get the crap beaten out of ya by the already pissed off dude in this world where there are no more laws to stop such a thing.
SHOOT, DOUBLEPOST!
Same here! Minus the relate to part, I guess. Arvo is overrated in terms of hatred. And I HATE using that word!
Arvo....nah he does not deserve all the hate he gets. I would still shoot him for shooting Clementine.....not cool....not fucking cool. I would show him how not fucking cool that shit is.
Cheh, "friendly". Also, he technically never came back to the deck, though he was traveling in that general direction. Eh. Also, fuck Jane!
I'm pretty sure he wasn't exactly stealing from the group, considering Natasha needed that medicine and he clearly loves her alot. Im sure Arvo is supposed to be someone who doesn't approve of crimes such as highway robbery or murder, but he just goes along with them because he is weak and doesn't really have much of a choice. Well, that and I got the feeling that he believes in some form of justice, which can easily devolve into revenge.
Yeah, that's a problem with Arvo in general. Don't let those glasses fool you.
damn! you and the guy who started all this thread should start a club: "arvo's lovers" or "arvo's fanboys" the guy is totally guilty and you still defend him, if kenny would've killed him after the firefight, many disgraces would've been avoided.
He is not even interesting character, on the contrary..... he is scum! i dont know if your loyalty and love for him is admirable or completely laughable and pathetic. I dont know wich one.......
Yeah, you're right, though it's not like there's many reasons to actually like the fella either...
The stealing from the group bit was when I referring to Arvo robbing Clementine's group of everything they had. I'm not sure exactly what Arvo was doing when he took the meical supplies from his group. Stashing medical supplies and robbing Clem's group was probably all for his sister. Shame that all backfired.
Sigh, poor Arvo, all he wanted to do is shoot an 11 year old girl in the arm and leave her dying in the cold even after if you help him... so misunderstood.
Fuck Arvo
Where would they have gone to get food and supplies? They wouldn't have even had the car, are you kidding me.
What's wrong with liking Arvo? Why is it laughable and pathetic? He did one thing wrong and you act like he straight up murdered someone.
There is no need to get this angry over a few people defending a character.
You know what I hate about Arvo? He's another character in season 2 that started with complexity and potential and then was oversimplified to the point of deserving the hatred he gets from the fandom.
Out of the disappointment that was Amid the Ruins for me, Arvo was a highlight. He was complicated. We didn't truly know if he was the one to organize the robbery, or if he wanted to call it off if there was a baby, or if he regretted it when he realized Jane wasn't there. He was just a scared kid, and people could hate or defend him with equal justification.
Episode 5 happens and most of that character is replaced to be only Kenny's personal punching bag and Clementine's number 1 enemy. Common sense is thrown out the window. He swings wildly between a sympathetic kicked puppy to a resentful villain.
His blinded hatred for Clementine is forced just for the story. It's the zombie apocalypse, his sister was shot, losing blood, and was unresponsive. He should have been able to put two and two together and realize his sister was a zombie when Clementine had to shoot her. Even if he couldn't figure that out, it's still not unreasonable that an 11 year old girl was defending herself against a member of a rival group that just initiated a deadly shootout against them, especially with a baby in her hands. It was a possibility he should have been prepared for if they were going to ambush a group they knew were armed.
After that, absolutely nothing I could ever do made Arvo even try to understand that I wasn't the bad guy. It was a failure in creating consequences for choices. I could defend him from Kenny (even with saying he just lost a sister, which should have tipped Arvo off that I must have had a reason to kill her), and I never robbed him. If telltale had to absolutely have arvo shoot Clementine, then they should have varied how it happened. Example, have her shoot her if Clementine never really defended him or if she robbed him, but have him hesitate and slip his finger on the trigger (followed by actual remorse, like Lilly after shooting Doug. As it is you can argue he was just scared of Kenny coming out) if she didn't do either. At least it would feel like I had some influence over the complexity of his character.
And it's still hard for me to justify attempting to kill an 11 year old. Yeah yeah I know, she killed his sister. But she's a child. In the zombie apocalypse. Who can potentially show him kindness. Why would she be deserving of death? The absolutely only reason I can justify it is if she started calling out to Kenny and Jane, and in a hurry he instictively shot her to try to shut her up, without remembering the gunshot would be much louder than her.
Uh, he attempted to murder someone if you remember...
No, he's a swell guy.
Have a character who has a leg-brace on and gigantic bifocal nerd glasses, and he's rendered automatically a "misunderstood person."
Sympathy and pity are powerful.
I don't find actions driven by such selfishness can be classified as morally grey. We knew that his intent was "revenge." Which in and of itself certainly isn't morally pure. I'd argue in his case was morally vile.
But all-in-all, the episode is really to blame so I find that although Arvo is a fucking piece of bologna. Much like everything else, he's almost too unbelievable in his motivations.
Clementine would've realistically shot him the moment he reached back into his truck to pull out a rifle, and from a writing standpoint would've divided people more down the middle if there were a scene in which Clementine talks to a tied up Arvo rather than kicking the audience little glances of him and Mike sucking each other off or whatever the fuck she was seeing.
Dividing wasn't something TT wanted though, cause we're supposed to be invested in Kenny and Jane's arbitrary feud entirely so I assume they just wanted another "empathetic villain."
You should try putting this discussion in the Walking Dead Wikia because there is alot of hate of Arvo and Kenny fanboys.
Keep it up guys!
Although your an ass at times, this comment i can honestly say had me howling
Bonnie, Arvo and Mike were all afraid of Kenneth because they knew he was becoming unstable. They didn't get Jane or Clementine because they knew that either one of them COULD side with Kenneth in the current situation. They also knew they weren't far from a place they could get food.
And they wouldn't take baby food, smart one, because they don't need it.
Listen, you're using the same things over and over again. Until you start becoming rational about things and lay off the italics and exclamation points, I'll just ignore you.
Yeah, this guy went WAAAY over the line.
No need for that language, thank you.
Arvo understands PERFECTLY well how the reanimation works but he was in the same situation that Lilly was in in Season 1 - there could've been a chance of saving her. He want made aware that his sister reanimated. Also, the reanimation times vary a lot in the game so bear with the little guy.
He wasn't hiding the medicine from his group - he was hiding it IN GENERAL - giving it a hiding spot until his group made it there.
It wasn't shock when Kenneth killed Larry. That was fear, afraid of what Lee or Lilly would do. Lee was much stronger than Ken and, as they say, 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'.
Nope. I made a list of them and I remember each and every one of them. I hand type everything out.
Actually, Kenny beats and pushes around the boy and there is a scenario where if you don't get Ken back to the fire and when Arvo yells at Mike to leave him alone, Kenneth actually beats Arvo unconscious.
It wasn't courage - it was the desire to just get into a good debate about this and bring some facts into light about Arvo so people can get their facts straight and quit being biased =.=
Thanks for the positive words, mate! ^_^
OI! That house was fine and it was shelter!
And he cursed at Kenny because he was sick of the abuse. I would've said the same thing (and then some...).
I understand that NOBODY can forgive him for shooting Clementine, I still haven't quite forgiven him for that, but I don't hate him.
Yes, FINALLY someone who thinks rationally! You hate him for his actions, but that's it.
Yes, agreed. However, it's not much of a 'like' - it's really just me being able to relate to the guy.
Duuuude......
How many times have I put this up? I think for every comment... Anyways, to recap the confrontation: Arvo's sister gets shot and he attempts to revive her. Kenneth stops him and uses him as a human meat shield. Natasha reanimated and Clementine was forced to shoot her. Arvo DID NOT know Natasha had reanimated (HE KNOWS HOW IT WORKS BUT THE REANIMATION TIMES VARY!!). He believes she murdered his sister in cold blood. You try acceptin that even though someone is kind - the mistrust will ALWAYS be there.
Then why are you here?
Lol
Some of these people can be mildly entertaining.
Don't you just love that Black-and-White mentality?
Listen, dude, I don't know who you are but just because someone doesn't share your exact opinion on things doesn't mean there's something wrong with them. If you recall, I never said I liked Arvo, just that I think some of the sheer hatred some folks have for him is somewhat understandable, but also kinda silly in terms of the depths.
One of the first topics I created was about feeling sympathy for an antagonistic character and while I ended up using Arvo as my example, I was surprised just how much of my sympathy was more confusion and facepalming. My beef is more that he was set up to be a relatively interesting character but was just relegated to a bloodhound and punching bag for a majority of his remaining screentime because he is a "villain". I'd suggest checking it out, but I have to partially retype it, apparently.
I'm gonna have to suggest you take it down a notch in the future. We're all survivors here!
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