Why do people hate AJ

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  • Babies get away with a lot of things...so fuck babies, if we were to poop in our pants constantly and throw fits...we would be locked up in a mental health facility...but no...those little snot dispensers get away with all sorts of crap.

  • You're joking right?

    Babies get away with a lot of things...so fuck babies, if we were to poop in our pants constantly and throw fits...we would be locked up in a mental health facility...but no...those little snot dispensers get away with all sorts of crap.

  • Of course...I am not some kind of maniac that hates on babies...or am I? Of course I am joking...what kind of person would hate a baby.

    CooCooCole posted: »

    You're joking right?

  • Thank God.

    Sadly, some people believe what you just said.

    Of course...I am not some kind of maniac that hates on babies...or am I? Of course I am joking...what kind of person would hate a baby.

  • What is it with people and this "I want to see a zombie baby eat its way out of the mother" thing?

    TheMPerson posted: »

    I don't hate him, but I don't like him either, I simply don't care about him, I wish he didn't exist at all so that the game doesn't pull th

  • Good times ;)

    CooCooCole posted: »

    Thank God. Sadly, some people believe what you just said.

  • edited January 2017

    Because, personally, I never seen that in a game and secondly it would be good for the kids- I mean the gore-iness for the less-gory game world...

    The game is rated M and they are not using it to the fullest.

    KCohere posted: »

    What is it with people and this "I want to see a zombie baby eat its way out of the mother" thing?

  • Maybe she is one of those people that has a natural affinity for kids and doesn't need to have a "reason".

    I quite like AJ in A New Frontier actually, what he has done to deserve so much love from Clem is another story though, there is no real rea

  • edited January 2017

    Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

    Don't mean to sound like one of the worst people on the planet or anything, but it's these kinds of points that made me automatically repulse from the concept of AJ when he was first being discussed on the forums.

    Who cares if he's not blood related? No one, really. He's a human being with no one else to care for him? So do hundreds if not thousands of people in TWD universe, some of whom we've reluctantly put bullets in, abandoned because of snap mistakes and at times of heartbreak left for dead because we thought it was best. If I have a heart and a conscience I should have no problems with this? Well that doesn't sound like emotional blackmail at all. "If you don't unconditionally help this child you're a psychopath."

    I'm sorry if presently and in the past I've expressed too much discomfort and sound more than a bit disturbed at the idea of a child accepting the sole responsibility for the care of an infant who is completely unrelated to said child on a blood or personal level.

    Yeah, I said blood didn't really matter, but in the universe of TWD where families are broken or dead, it can at the very least make for an awesome excuse to keep people together.

    So why should Clementine take this charge? She's not related to AJ by family and the baby can't talk or presently establish any relationship with him that isn't depressingly one sided, so she has no obligation to care for him out of her own goodwill. What about the relationship with his parents? Surely any affection fostered between them and her would be enough of an obligation for Clementine to want to raise their offspring... If it weren't for the fact that one said parent tried to actively campaign for her death and the other can be seen as useless from the cruellest perspective and forgettable from the kindest perspective (whether you want to blame that on S2's writing or not).

    Seriously, though... Why does Clementine take this on herself? Why does the player take this on themselves? If there are no attachments that can be made between herself and the baby that aren't completely biased to her own feelings, if there's no duty or purpose that can be fulfilled by raising AJ, if it's to the total detriment of her own self to the point where she has to sacrifice parts of herself and ideals to accommodate for his upbringing, then why? Because 'it's the right thing to do'. And because it's the right thing to do, there's no other choice.

    I'm not going to stand on a moral high ground here and say that what I've written here no doubt looks jaded to the point of satire. But at the same time, I'm not exactly going to stay silent about something that might spark some controversy because it defies what everyone else see's as common sense or whatever. This entire relationship between these two characters is so unfair to all parties involved to the point where I'm convinced that there's no ending to it that can be satisfying at this point.

    Even considering this, I have to emphasise that I don't hate AJ. You can't hate him, he has no character to speak of which might be even worse than him having a character or personality to hate. I chose my sub-ending almost exclusively on the fact that it was the best for AJ - so that he might be able to find a place in the world that can support his upbringing, all despite the fact that my own personal taste for him is non-existent - I thought it was best for everyone - AJ, Clementine and Kenny. It seems to be a normal view to completely ignore the actual leading events and ramifications of this relationship between Clementine and AJ without even thinking about the past or the consequences of their mutually strained companionship. Maybe it will be fine to be content with that in the far future, but it's something that I will always argue against for at least as long as AJ remains a blank face.

    Jimayo posted: »

    This forum is filled with some of the worst people on the planet. Christ. Who cares if he's not blood related. He's a living breathing human being with no one else to care for him. That's reason enough if you have a heart and a conscience.

  • I had no idea people hated AJ, but I'm with the "I do not really care" crowd.

    Like other said, small kids are a liability in this kind of scenario. And because he is just a toddler, he is even more of a liability than young Clementine. But just like it wasn't Clem's fault back then, it isn't his fault now either.

  • edited January 2017

    hey clem , your best friend

    Im not getting how sarah was ever clems best friend, they knew each other for maybe a week. Clem manipulates her to help her at the beginning of the game and pretty much every interaction in episode 2 is pretty distant.

    "Come on take one of me"

    " ...sure"

    Even in episode 3 onwards its more like clem is being nice and helping sarah (like a big sister) rather than being friends with her. Im not saying clem dislikes sarah (i think that depends on your choices) however I think based on clems behaviour and dialogue options she doesnt really understand her behavior or connect with her very much, they are not very simaler. She seemed to like duck much more

    The aftermath of her second death was pretty terrible all round which is why I prefer the first death, at least there is a decent reaction to it

    Clemmy1 posted: »

    I don't hate AJ even though it's a poorly written plot device , " hey clem , your best friend who you just slapped ..has just fallen to her

  • very few people hate the baby however a lot of people just dont care all that much

  • edited January 2017

    I suppose I'll be one of the representatives of the "AJ haters."

    I initially hated AJ cause of his rough and sloppily executed transitioning from one of Sarah's awfully handled death scenes. He felt like a weed out of place with a scene that desperately needed some form of human sympathy toward Sarah's cruel fate. Yet not one person even acknowledged it because now the person the game assigned us to act as the sole reason to continue protecting was violently swapped to a baby.

    So if the characters and focus can just be switched to meet the confusing themes met in the nasty and shitty No Going Back to make Kenny seem more sympathetic, why was Sarah even in the story? And more importantly, why was a baby that hardly ever cries, had no complications met on his end from his harsh birth conditions, and serves only to make the final choice fall neatly into place in the game to begin with?

    He's the epitome of laziness in any form of videogame narrative storytelling only to incite a specific reaction. And now, he doesn't speak cause that's how little Telltale actually thinks about his lasting impact in the game. Why hire a child VA to actually incite any depth to something that never had a reason to be thrust into the narrative in the first place?

    AJ sucks, he's contrived lazy plot-fiddle for the easily-emotion susceptible people to latch onto a weak plot device. And the greatest insult being he still hasn't had a single interesting piece of character progression or influenced any of the events that have so far transpired, he's just hanging around like a miasmic coat rack.

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  • edited January 2017

    I feel like he's going to be used as the next fill in main character when Clementine kicks the bucket in case they continue the game series longer after Clementine's story ends. I personally don't give much a fuck about him since the beginning when Rebecca was pregnant. Personally I wanted to get rid of Rebecca ever since she was a bitch to Clementine which was the very beginning. I really didn't care if she begin to be nice to Clementine, a pregnant woman isn't in any position to act like that during a zombie apocalypse instead she should be begging on her hands and knees to be helped and I still wouldn't help her. I hate pregnant women even if it isn't a zombie apocalypse.

    As for AJ himself he's a liability, he should of been aborted a long time ago. It's too bad I have to follow the whims of some innocent child's mind about a baby. I started hating Kenny as well when he started wetting himself over a stupid baby, I only stuck this long for Kenny's desires for keeping that dumb baby alive but then again I started not caring about Kenny as well he could fucking die for all I care. Kenny begin to be a liability during Season 2 after he kept whining over Cerise's death. Let's put it another way, AJ made me start hating one of my favorite characters, that's how bad it got.

  • It is unrealistic, but not extremly unlikely.

    fallandir posted: »

    NF meets Clem when AJ is already a toddler, so they had to survive on their own before, which is highly ridiculous.

  • BADASS!

    Paul820630 posted: »

    I can wait to see more interactions betweet these two!

  • Anyone that covers a baby's mouth is a complete moron?

    Hey I did it in the heat of the moment!

    CooCooCole posted: »

    I think he's grown to know that when she hums that means to be quiet as a mouse. And it is super adorable. Also when she holds AJ and cuddles with him... JUST UGH Anyone that covers a baby's mouth is a complete moron.

  • Luckliy those people are the minority, people hate AJ because they think he is a liability. I've seen people say they would leave AJ by himself, in which people who do that, have no morales and are psychotic. I don't hate AJ, he didn't ask to be born, and he is pretty smart for his age.

  • after he kept whining over Cerise's death.

    who?

    I feel like he's going to be used as the next fill in main character when Clementine kicks the bucket in case they continue the game series

  • edited January 2017

    they would leave AJ by himself, in which people who do that, have no morales and are psychotic.

    he is pretty smart for his age

    What are you smoking right now? I want that too.

    Luckliy those people are the minority, people hate AJ because they think he is a liability. I've seen people say they would leave AJ by hims

  • Well, I'd give him away as soon as possible. I wouldn't leave him to die though. I'd protect him as best I can, but I wouldn't sacrifice myself either. I simply have no bond with AJ. I am not cruel though.

    Luckliy those people are the minority, people hate AJ because they think he is a liability. I've seen people say they would leave AJ by hims

  • Mind trying to prove me wrong?

    TheMPerson posted: »

    they would leave AJ by himself, in which people who do that, have no morales and are psychotic. he is pretty smart for his age What are you smoking right now? I want that too.

  • So you would leave him behind if you ever got the choice to?

    Well, I'd give him away as soon as possible. I wouldn't leave him to die though. I'd protect him as best I can, but I wouldn't sacrifice myself either. I simply have no bond with AJ. I am not cruel though.

  • edited January 2017

    Read what I say. I wouldn't leave him to die. I would give him away (to a caring community that is). That's probably what Clementine did as well, leaving AJ at Richmond, and got upset when she heard The New Frontier took over.

    So you would leave him behind if you ever got the choice to?

  • edited January 2017

    Why do you think a teen [that doesn't even know what sex is] is capable of raising a toddler?

    Also how is AJ smart for his age? He scared away "the lunch" twice.

    Mind trying to prove me wrong?

  • He's doing what any toddler does, he knows when to be quiet (Like when Clementine hums him a song) he put his hand on his mouth, I don't know about you but that's pretty damn smart, not to mention he can write and be able to tell who it was. Yeah I believe Clementine is capable of raising a toddler, she had AJ to herself for two years. That's enough evidence itself.

    TheMPerson posted: »

    Why do you think a teen [that doesn't even know what sex is] is capable of raising a toddler? Also how is AJ smart for his age? He scared away "the lunch" twice.

  • Sounds like you do not actually hate him.

    I suppose I'll be one of the representatives of the "AJ haters." I initially hated AJ cause of his rough and sloppily executed transition

  • I would give him away (to a caring community that is). That's probably what Clementine did as well, leaving AJ at Richmond, and got upset when she heard The New Frontier took over.

    I think that's exactly what happened!

    Except she was planning to go back to Richmond.

    Read what I say. I wouldn't leave him to die. I would give him away (to a caring community that is). That's probably what Clementine did as well, leaving AJ at Richmond, and got upset when she heard The New Frontier took over.

  • Yeah I think it fit with her to persuade the people to go to Richmond with her (I think that was her plan originally; get a vehicle and drive to Richmond to check on AJ). Of course she was upset when the news were TNF took over.

    I would give him away (to a caring community that is). That's probably what Clementine did as well, leaving AJ at Richmond, and got upset wh

  • This is exactly what I would love to see in season 4!, but it depends on whether or not Telltale can write it so it isnt just a repeat of season 1

    Paul820630 posted: »

    I can wait to see more interactions betweet these two!

  • edited January 2017

    Ive seen it in a movie. It wasnt all that.

    TheMPerson posted: »

    Because, personally, I never seen that in a game and secondly it would be good for the kids- I mean the gore-iness for the less-gory game world... The game is rated M and they are not using it to the fullest.

  • I think this is one of the problems I have with AJ, I mean, I dont hate him, I think he is adorable, but at the same time, he is kind of a liability, BUT! I could probably get over that easily, if they actually had any bonding at all with AJ, like a previous game, where we took care of AJ or something to that effect, because yeah, we have had some adorable moments, and it is the right thing to do to protect him, but I feel like he would mean more to me, if I had actually spent time with him, it would be super cool to have season 4 be Clem taking care of a 4-5 year old AJ, as it probably would not become a repeat of season 1, since he is alot younger than Clem was, but I dunno

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    You see, you're misinterpreting the "hatred" for AJ, like most people. We don't dislike AJ because he's a baby, nor did we have any sort of

  • I actually love to assume fiction as reality, (thats not meant to sound weird), as in, immersing you so much into a world, that you care about the characters and stuff.

    And I have 2 opinions about AJ, I think its right of Clem to protect him, as he is just a baby, and its the human thing to do, thats humanity talking

    But thinking as a survivor, its hard to justify bringing him along, as Clem had barely anything to do with his parents, and dont owe them anything, but in the end it is probably still right to keep him around

    Oh, that does make sense! The point of disagreement is that people who might like—or simply don't mind—babies in real life do not take Al

  • Pragmatic reasoning tells you to do something with him.

    Moral reasoning tells you to take care of him.

    I actually love to assume fiction as reality, (thats not meant to sound weird), as in, immersing you so much into a world, that you care abo

  • complete moron

    Anyone that covers a baby's mouth is a complete moron? Hey I did it in the heat of the moment!

  • Clementine raising AJ alone is quite feasible considering Jane and Kenny's ending, considering there was formula and supplies at Howe's and Edith and Kenny had experience or at least some idea of how to raise a baby.

    BUT, unless she found a safe heaven, it's kind of difficult for her to have raised AJ in the alone ending, I mean, babies poop like 10 times a day, how could she take care of this "issue", feed him and ensure him a proper upbringing without them both dying a horrible death?

    He's doing what any toddler does, he knows when to be quiet (Like when Clementine hums him a song) he put his hand on his mouth, I don't kn

  • How could you hate AJ? He's just an innocent little muffin

  • Thats what I really like about The Walking Dead actually, it is the first game to draw me in in a way, where I consider all the options, in many games it is very easy to just do "The good thing" every time, but in The Walking Dead I find that its not always the right choice morally that is the best choice

    Pragmatic reasoning tells you to do something with him. Moral reasoning tells you to take care of him.

  • YES PLEASE! This is so cute and badass!!!

    Paul820630 posted: »

    I can wait to see more interactions betweet these two!

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