Why TNF is Bad.
Judging by the first two episodes (If you can call them episodes. TT shortened the episodes by about 50% for this game) this game is a complete dissapointment to lots of TTG TWD fans, and here's why...
Choices in Previous Two Seasons Don't Matter
As TellTale clearly states in all of their point and click games, "The story is tailored by how you play". In the previous two Walking deads, this was somewhat true, meaning that the choices you made affected the gameplay or how the story turned out, but for the most part it's just an illusion of choice. This really becomes clear to everyone in the FIRST EPISODE of this new installment. If you played the previous two seasons of TWD, or just the second season, you know that in the finale, you get to choose who dies and who lives between Kenny and Jane, two people that you have been surviving alongside for multiple episodes, and for Kenny, multiple seasons. At the end of season 2 you have 4 possible endings, being alone at Wellington, being with kenny, being alone with Jane, or being with Jane and another family. All of these endings mean JACK SHIT in the 3rd season, as Jane gets killed off in about 45 mins into the episode, so does Kenny if you chose that route, and in every possible situation AJ is lost, and is never spoken about the whole first two "episodes".
False Advertisement?
Ok, you play the first two seasons of a game, where in both of those games the main character is Clementine. Even in season one when you play as Lee, the whole game is based around protecting her and being a father figure to her. And in the second season, you play and survive as her. These seasons are Clem's story, and nobody else's. She has been the main focus the entire game. Then TellTale releases a third season, and everyone is excited to play more Clem and get more of HER story, right? I mean, she is in the game so that would only make sense, right? Wrong. Despite TT listing her as a "Co Playable Character" and advertising the game much like Tales From the Borderlands, you hardly play as Clem in this game at all, and the only time you do is in flashbacks, to show you what happened and how TellTale is too lazy to continue on their multiple endings pathway that they set back in S2. They made a completely new character, Javi, and you learn his story and his family's story in the first 10 MINUTES OF GAMEPLAY. The new characters in this game, including Javi's family are, in my opinion, hands down THE most unlikable characters in any TellTale game I've ever played. I care 0 about them all. Javi is the only likable one other than a couple, Tripp and Eleanor. Now let me tell you why they did this. TellTale made all these new characters and a completely new story for us to learn about to make us completely forget about the multiple endings that they did in S2. No matter what ending you chose, no matter what any of your choices were in either of the previous seasons, the game will still be the exact same, other than the pathetic flashbacks. TellTale was too lazy to even make the first two episodes different depending on your choices, or hell, even the first damn episode. And that is the main reason this game fails.
Length. Really WTF TellTale?
If I remember correctly(I do) the episodes in the first and second season of TWD and most other TTG games were around an hour and a half to two hours for ONE episode. Now, with The New Frontier, TT decided to release both the first and second episodes at once, totalling about 120 MINUTES OF PLAYTIME. TT knew damn well that the episodes were way too short, thus they release two at once to make the game seem longer. They even named the first two episodes "Ties That Bind" Parts 1 and 2. Let me just put this into perspective for you. The first two episodes of this game are about 20 minutes longer than ONE SINGLE EPISODE of the original Walking Dead. They think we're retarded, guys.
TL:DR
TellTale's illusion of choice has been something that they have been doing all along, but it has never been this bad. They were very lazy with this game and it shows. The new characters are, for the most part, all unlikable and completely disposable as they have little to no backstory to them at all. TellTale only made a complete new set of characters to get our minds away from the multiple endings of season 2 so they wouldn't have to worry about making the many different pathways, like their games are advertised as having. You only play as Clem in flashbacks and this isn't her story. We spent two seasons building up this character from helpless to a complete badass and are expected to toss it to the side and roll out the red carpet for Javi and his family of incompetent and unlikable characters.
Comments
It doesn't matter what points you make, you're just inviting people to drop in and say "I LIEK JAVIS" or "It's great" lol. Constructive conversation died after everyone found out what a mess it is behind the scenes.
Are those opinions not as valid as the negative ones?
This is roughly how I feel about the game as well.
What are the forums for, if not stating you opinion?
When it's all you say in response to legitimate criticism in a thread about legitimate criticism that you could have just not gone into instead of going into because you're tired of people complaining? No, you're just trying to provoke other users who are already unhappy with the game.
There's a difference between stating an opinion and adding to the flood. I agree with everything you said, and the forums had a pretty rough day so far. I was just saying you're gonna attract rabid defenders who don't care about what you find wrong with the game, they want you to know they like it and don't want to discuss its issues. Everyone's in super defensive mode right now, like the guy above who asked if posting a one sentence reply opposing your stance is considered an invalid opinion.
Are you specifically referring to me? I haven't attempted to provoke anyone, nor have I told anyone that they're wrong. Yes, I have disagreed with a lot of criticisms about the game and I will continue to do so, but those people criticizing the game are free to do so, just as I am free to defend the game.
I'm talking about anyone that specifically goes into a thread about the criticism to make it clear he's tired of them, there's no point when someone could just as easily not open a thread they don't want to read.
My biggest problem is that they turned this fascinating drama about real people in the apocalypse into an action movie where everyone is a BADASS COOL DUDE. You know why I love Kenny so much? Because he acts like a real person. Nobody in TNF does that. The dialogue is just enough to make the story move forward but not enough for me to care for this characters. It's suprising that their Batman game is more emotional and mature than their flagship series.
Oh boy, but that's half the reason I posted it
If people are free to express their frustration with Telltale then I think people are free to express their frustrations with the constant unavoidable hate. Unless you're insulting someone or outright telling someone that their opinion is wrong, I think it's okay.
PREACH
First of all, there are plenty of similar threads, but nvm.
I'm not saying you don't, I'm saying going out of your by entering a thread you clearly disagree with is borderline trolling. It's the same as someone going into a Javier appreciation thread to tell everyone how much he hates him, or going into a thread asking what your favorite part of A New Frontier is to tell everyone what's wrong with the game. There's a certain point when it goes beyond wanting to state an opinion and posting to let people know you don't agree. It doesn't have to be done in every single thread.
It seems to me that the only stereotypical badass is Jesus. Look at Tripp, he feels pretty real to me, he's a competent survivor but I wouldn't call him badass. He appears to be a dick at first but really he's a big teddy bear. Then there's Javier, he really just seems like an uncle trying to protect his family, I wouldn't describe him as a badass, he's a likeable character but he's no badass, heck in his first encounter with humans in this game he gets his ass kicked.
People have tricked themselves into thinking TT are genuine novel writers or something. No, they put together little short stories and now that they are successful, it's all about getting the latest one out (and I bet they have trouble keeping up with the higher demands of more complex graphic engines). I bet WD is going to be shelved by TT pretty soon anyway. The TV show's ratings are plummeting and TT is suddenly on the radar of brands like Batman and companies like Marvel? That means they have a relationship with Disney now. I'm waiting for TT Star Wars. If they have limited capacity, they are going to focus on the brands with the most money and which brings the biggest gaurunteed audience. TT isn't in the business of pleasing TT fans, TT is in the business of entertaining the fans of established brands now.
Really...you say Kenny is realistic...lol...improbable escape from s1...able to fight after having part of his face crushed...only realistic thing about him is the way he died.
Okay, I don't care if you're super pissed. You do NOT make more rant threads when there is already plenty of similar threads.
This thread was made like 4 or 5 days ago
Ah ok, I didn't pay attention.
We fucking get it
The New Frontier is garbage.
The hundreds upon hundreds of forum posts made it quite clear.
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Cool story bro. Can we stop bumping a week old thread to complain about it, now? The boards finally seemed to be calming down.
you guys are the ones complaining 24/7, and im the one who needs to calm down? ok i will. and i will see you guys taking your periods out on this website. but im not gonna do anything since im "offensive".
Nobody said you were offensive, or even pointed out you're what's wrong with with consumers who insist any kind of criticism is pointless and everyone should shut up and take whatever they're lucky enough to be sold. I didn't even complain about the headache I got trying to read your horrible attempt at communicating with words. I said this thread was from last damn week. You knew exactly what this thread was and chose to come in and complain instead of opening any of the other threads on the first page. You might want to check yourself before you accuse others "taking their periods", you might be sitting in a mess yourself.
It's not as if simply posting 'I agree' is any more contributive. If a person considers those types of posts trolling, they're best off just ignoring and not responding to them.
Well, no, but it's not opening the thread up to a flame war, which a lot of the positive and negative opinion threads were devolving into last week. Going into a thread just to state you disagree without any elaboration just kinda seems like you're looking to provoke a reaction instead of a rebuttal.
I did inquire a few weeks ago about an ignore feature, Deltino broke the bad news to me though lol. I do end up having to see them everytime I reopen the thread, I'm usually on my phone and the scroll to new comment can be wonky at times on multipage threads, I usually have to find the green highlighted posts as clicking the scroll to new post while I'm on the wrong page marks all posts as read.
First thing i agree with the flashback thing
Second we only saw 2\5 from all the story, the game still ongoing we still can't say TNF is bad till the its end
But the length of the episodes is really short, i'd rather to have epsiode 1 and epsiode 2 Separated with a full hour and 30 minutes than having them both at the same time with only one hour of game play with 2 minutes of flashbacks
I feel like I've seen other complaint threads like this. I'm not certain though...
B-but ANF is go-good!
just kidding, it's not
Username checks out.
The worst thing about the TNF problems:
Telltale doesn't talk to the community. Maybe Telltale feels good with their decisions and product...
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Still does not invalidate my statement.
THIS.....the lack of communication is bad...now we may have some communication with the devs after episode 3 drops according to @mostlypoptarts which will be good.
Haven't Telltale always done that in some capacity though except it was less about entertaining the fans and just doing their own take on a pre established franchise while still paying tribute to the fans?
Honestly, with TWDS1, Wolf, and Borderlands it felt like the writers and designers had a story to tell.
And with earlier titles like Sam and Max and Monkey Island, it felt more like Telltale wanted to continue that genre and craft something suited for the fans of those particular franchises.
Well, lead writer seems happy with the result
He also has negative attitude towards people who write "essays" about what's wrong in the episodes
and it seems like he won't change much, because reviews are all that matters.
Ugh.... I'm affraid that this franchise will be ruined totally by the final of S3.
Good on him for sticking to his guns.
Well that's disheartening. Lol'd @ hope future games bring you back tho