Funnily enough, my point becomes even more tangible now that you've confirmed that roughly the same level of intelligent comments have single digit score counts (or mostly a 0%) simply because of the thumbs up.
Thanks!
Had one said "Itz baid truz me" and thumbs down, it would've been at least a 75% approval rating.
Leaving a negative review because the episodes are exponentially short compared to season 1 and because they got rid ofKenny (in a terribly lazy way) are reasonable arguments. I don't expect a 6 paragraph essay from each person who writes a review, but those reviews are not too bad, especially when you look at other reviews like this:
It's such a tangible argument that the season is as decent as you think with such eloquent positive reviews as those, isn't it?
Also, unlike you, I didn't cherry pick my examples to find badly written positive reviews. I posted the first ones I could find, after scrolling through the long, well written negative reviews that went on and on and on...
Why do you keep posting Steam storefront score updates?
It's such a tangible argument that the season is truly as awful as you think with… more such eloquent criticisms such as...
And many comments like that have far higher consensus ratings than ANF, leading the charge for what we can expect from people's very well versed and intelligently thought-out criticisms. Can't tell exactly if that's a troubling thing or a very troubling thing.
Please read what I've said to Official Monkey, the fact the scores of any positive review that heralds much of the same level of "intelligence" are almost universally panned whilst negative ones are far more accepted makes me feel as though many are simply up-voting any negatively biased reviews for the benefit of "sticking it to Telltale."
Leaving a negative review because the episodes are exponentially short compared to season 1 and because they got rid ofKenny (in a terribly … morelazy way) are reasonable arguments. I don't expect a 6 paragraph essay from each person who writes a review, but those reviews are not too bad, especially when you look at other reviews like this:
It's such a tangible argument that the season is as decent as you think with such eloquent positive reviews as those, isn't it?
Also, unlike you, I didn't cherry pick my examples to find badly written positive reviews. I posted the first ones I could find, after scrolling through the long, well written negative reviews that went on and on and on...
Please read what I've said to Official Monkey, the fact the scores of any positive review that heralds much of the same level of "intelligen… morece" are almost universally panned whilst negative ones are far more accepted makes me feel as though many are simply up-voting any negatively biased reviews for the benefit of "sticking it to Telltale."
I just thought of something none is talking about. On one hand Jobs dismissed our criticism as a mere "ineffective minority" yet on the other hand they say that they're incorporating fan feedback. So my question is exactly what feedback are you incorporating? If we are what jobs basically said we are then why incorporate the minority feedback? Who are they exactly listening to? are they listening to jacksepticeye? Game reviews? Perhaps I'm delving to much into this although I think this is a valid question.
They weren't informal, as I said most positive reviews that had up votes were long and well written. And, isn't voting for something that matches your bias the point of voting? If it doesn't match your bias of course you're not going to vote for it.
Not quite.
Seems immature to simply up-vote a comment just cause of it's informal biased matches the person doing the up-voting.
But that's where this "fan-base" is at now, isn't it?
They weren't informal, as I said most positive reviews that had up votes were long and well written. And, isn't voting for something that … morematches your bias the point of voting? If it doesn't match your bias of course you're not going to vote for it.
Not that I don't like this version, because do I enjoy watching it in high quality, but I do agree with you. If it's not pax exclusive then don't act like it is. Seeing a tweet that said "gotta be there to see it" made it sound exclusive. Honestly, I drove around town to find a library, just for it to close at six, to then drive across town to a Starbucks and watch the stream live there became pointless because it wasn't really "pax exclusive." It's a little upsetting. (And no I'm not making this up, I have people to back me up because I was on call with them while driving around town trying to find decent wifi.)
So, a message like "aren't choices matter" as a negative bias is a healthy indication of the many who have up-voted it?
I never said that. I literally just said there are many others who write long explanations that show why the game is negative, and those are the ones that have most up votes. You also totally dismissed the fact that they also mentioned the episodes were too short. That review got a lot of up votes because: It was accurate, people agreed with it, and it was short + simple. Sometimes people don't feel like spending 3 hours of their time reading paragraphs of reviews, so they up vote what's simple, short and straight to the point. Not to mention accurate.
The fanbase is kind of retarded then, is what you're saying?
No, that's probably just someone who doesn't have English as their first language, making them illiterate in English not retarded.
And, isn't voting for something that matches your bias the point of voting?
So, a message like "aren't choices matter" as a negative… more bias is a healthy indication of the many who have up-voted it?
The fanbase is kind of retarded then, is what you're saying?
What? No matter how hard I squint I can't find any resemblance between this guy and Arvo. Besides the obvious he's a carbon based lifeform, bipedal and has opposable thumbs.
I just thought of something none is talking about. On one hand Jobs dismissed our criticism as a mere "ineffective minority" yet on the othe… morer hand they say that they're incorporating fan feedback. So my question is exactly what feedback are you incorporating? If we are what jobs basically said we are then why incorporate the minority feedback? Who are they exactly listening to? are they listening to jacksepticeye? Game reviews? Perhaps I'm delving to much into this although I think this is a valid question.
Is it just me or does Ava look almost sad to take AJ away?
It looks like David comes up from behind Clem and MAKES Ava take the baby away… more.
While I do think that Ava has sinister intentions (c'mon now. She just sounds evil. Not to mention the music that plays around her), I feel like David is trying to prove some kind of point to his people.
It's hella sad nevertheless.
I want an answer.
@JobJStauffer_TTG
@mostlypoptarts
@All-The-Other-Staff-Possibly-Reading-This
Anyone... I'm begging you here... I'm on my KNEES here...
Someone posted it in the Details thread a few weeks back along with the ages and weights of other characters. I believe they said one of the art directors confirmed it.
Whatever happened, though, David vs Clem encounter feels like it will be a good scene. Kind of a bummer I won't have it since I didn't kill Conrad, but that what replays are for a guess.
"Ever since the junkyard, you've been nothing but a fly in my ointment."
* Badger.
Oh no. Oh, no no no no no. What the… more fuck. Why. I had a glimpse of hope that Mariana's death hadn't just been a shallow plot device. I had hopes that Badger, the man who killed her, wasn't going to be a shallow generic evil bastard that randomly kills a little girl simply to advance the plot. Oh, how wrong I was. Apparently, he is just that. Someone who is just evil! (Because those people totally exist Telltale, and they make incredibly interesting characters! /s). I have no words.
Javier vs Badger:
First of all, technical aspects: the animations (both facial and corporal) are not looking good. I am not a player that's ever been very picky about these sort of stuff. I can handle bad graphics, stoic faces during banter, some clipping here and there and at times weird animations, but this is supposed to be a fighting scene. Badger's fac… [view original content]
I don't think all complaints shoudl be invalidated as 'people jsut love to complain'.
Their negative opinion is just as valid as your positive opinion.
Whatever happened, though, David vs Clem encounter feels like it will be a good scene. Kind of a bummer I won't have it since I didn't kill Conrad, but that what replays are for a guess.
Can you explain the logic behind this, love?
Comparing Season 2's problems with Season 3's problems is absolutely ludicrous.
Season 2, while not as great as Season 1, had some pretty stand out moments/scenes. It had a pretty good start and a majority of people consider A House Divided to be in their top 3 favourite episodes of TWD. It had subtle references to our past choices, like if you teach Sarah how to shoot a gun Clem will give her the same advice you gave Clem as Lee in Long Road Ahead and things like that. The choices while not completely game changing do have a bigger impact on how you view a character. If you decided to go with Nick instead of Pete in All That Remains then you'll learn more about his character and why he acts the way he does or if you go with Pete you'll learn more about him and his relationship with Nick.
ANF has almost nothing that anyone can call objectively good. The only positive aspects I've seen talked about are Javier as a protagonist, the family dynamic and Clementine's model. It is universally agreed that the episodes are far too short, the characters are not given the sufficient time to develop and are killed off purely for shock value, the writing is hilariously predictable and your previous choices so far in the other games mean nothing as Clem still acts and talks the same no matter what regardless of the ending in S2.
I'm glad you're enjoying ANF so far but other people aren't and discrediting their opinions as people just loving to complain is just childish.
Not that I'm denying the recent user reviews on Steam were decreasing anyways, but considering people were harassing and singling out users who left positive reviews to call them "screeching autists" before telling them to "kill themselves" (followed by gloating about how some of the positive reviews were removed since people didn't want to deal with those comments), I'm not sure if that's 100% objective.
Maybe like 90% or 95% objective, since the deleted positive reviews may or may not have tipped the scales, so who knows - maybe I'm just being obtuse and splitting hairs, but you get the idea.
What I learned from reading your response is that short, illiterate, and misguided reviews are A-Okay as long as they match my own biased viewpoints.
If that's the case, I wonder why more 13 year olds aren't professional journalists.
What I find funny though is that you seem to be pulling out every defense you can in an attempt to make shitty sloppily written arguments against the game understandable, yet oddly enough seem to jump at the chance to make the exact same argument against shitty sloppily written arguments for the game.
So, a message like "aren't choices matter" as a negative bias is a healthy indication of the many who have up-voted it?
I never said… more that. I literally just said there are many others who write long explanations that show why the game is negative, and those are the ones that have most up votes. You also totally dismissed the fact that they also mentioned the episodes were too short. That review got a lot of up votes because: It was accurate, people agreed with it, and it was short + simple. Sometimes people don't feel like spending 3 hours of their time reading paragraphs of reviews, so they up vote what's simple, short and straight to the point. Not to mention accurate.
The fanbase is kind of retarded then, is what you're saying?
No, that's probably just someone who doesn't have English as their first language, making them illiterate in English not retarded.
I am quite willing to bet that when Season 4 appears people will stop criticising ANF and focus on it instead. Same thing happens now with Season 2 now that ANF is out. The whole season isn't even complete, you might be surprised by episode 3.
I doubt it's "universally" agreed it's a bad season so far, the reviews are still mostly positive and usually the negativity outshines the positivity. People who enjoy it usually don't bother splitting hairs and just enjoy the game.
Also don't get me wrong, I loved Season 2, but I was just making a comparison. Sure there are issues, but it's blown out of proportion. Every season had its issues, that's undeniable, nothing is perfect after all. Despite that, I still I find that Telltale did an excellent job and came quite close to perfection with every TWD episode to date and I except them to keep that up.
Comparing Season 2's problems with Season 3's problems is absolutely ludicrous.
Season 2, while not as great as Season 1, had some pretty… more stand out moments/scenes. It had a pretty good start and a majority of people consider A House Divided to be in their top 3 favourite episodes of TWD. It had subtle references to our past choices, like if you teach Sarah how to shoot a gun Clem will give her the same advice you gave Clem as Lee in Long Road Ahead and things like that. The choices while not completely game changing do have a bigger impact on how you view a character. If you decided to go with Nick instead of Pete in All That Remains then you'll learn more about his character and why he acts the way he does or if you go with Pete you'll learn more about him and his relationship with Nick.
ANF has almost nothing that anyone can call objectively good. The only positive aspects I've seen talked about are Javier as a protagonist, the family… [view original content]
I don't want to invalidate anything, but I see people "losing faith" already and the full season is not even out yet. It's the same thing I read back when season 2 was in the works and will be the same thing I read when Season 4 will come out (hopefully it will appear).
I don't think all complaints shoudl be invalidated as 'people jsut love to complain'.
Their negative opinion is just as valid as your positive opinion.
Not that I'm denying the recent user reviews on Steam were decreasing anyways, but considering people were harassing and singling out users … morewho left positive reviews to call them "screeching autists" before telling them to "kill themselves" (followed by gloating about how some of the positive reviews were removed since people didn't want to deal with those comments), I'm not sure if that's 100% objective.
Maybe like 90% or 95% objective, since the deleted positive reviews may or may not have tipped the scales, so who knows - maybe I'm just being obtuse and splitting hairs, but you get the idea.
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Looks at the percentages.
Funnily enough, my point becomes even more tangible now that you've confirmed that roughly the same level of intelligent comments have single digit score counts (or mostly a 0%) simply because of the thumbs up.
Thanks!
Had one said "Itz baid truz me" and thumbs down, it would've been at least a 75% approval rating.
Leaving a negative review because the episodes are exponentially short compared to season 1 and because they got rid ofKenny (in a terribly lazy way) are reasonable arguments. I don't expect a 6 paragraph essay from each person who writes a review, but those reviews are not too bad, especially when you look at other reviews like this:
It's such a tangible argument that the season is as decent as you think with such eloquent positive reviews as those, isn't it?
Also, unlike you, I didn't cherry pick my examples to find badly written positive reviews. I posted the first ones I could find, after scrolling through the long, well written negative reviews that went on and on and on...
Please read what I've said to Official Monkey, the fact the scores of any positive review that heralds much of the same level of "intelligence" are almost universally panned whilst negative ones are far more accepted makes me feel as though many are simply up-voting any negatively biased reviews for the benefit of "sticking it to Telltale."
OR, maybe they are upvoting the negative reviews because the game is just simply bad. Seems very plausible.
I just thought of something none is talking about. On one hand Jobs dismissed our criticism as a mere "ineffective minority" yet on the other hand they say that they're incorporating fan feedback. So my question is exactly what feedback are you incorporating? If we are what jobs basically said we are then why incorporate the minority feedback? Who are they exactly listening to? are they listening to jacksepticeye? Game reviews? Perhaps I'm delving to much into this although I think this is a valid question.
Not quite.
Seems immature to simply up-vote a comment just cause of it's informal biased matches the person doing the up-voting.
But that's where this "fan-base" is at now, isn't it?
They weren't informal, as I said most positive reviews that had up votes were long and well written. And, isn't voting for something that matches your bias the point of voting? If it doesn't match your bias of course you're not going to vote for it.
So, a message like "aren't choices matter" as a negative bias is a healthy indication of the many who have up-voted it?
The fanbase is kind of retarded then, is what you're saying?
Not that I don't like this version, because do I enjoy watching it in high quality, but I do agree with you. If it's not pax exclusive then don't act like it is. Seeing a tweet that said "gotta be there to see it" made it sound exclusive. Honestly, I drove around town to find a library, just for it to close at six, to then drive across town to a Starbucks and watch the stream live there became pointless because it wasn't really "pax exclusive." It's a little upsetting. (And no I'm not making this up, I have people to back me up because I was on call with them while driving around town trying to find decent wifi.)
This guy...
...looks like fucking Arvo.
Considering how bad Kenny and Jane's models were, this wouldn't surprise me
I never said that. I literally just said there are many others who write long explanations that show why the game is negative, and those are the ones that have most up votes. You also totally dismissed the fact that they also mentioned the episodes were too short. That review got a lot of up votes because: It was accurate, people agreed with it, and it was short + simple. Sometimes people don't feel like spending 3 hours of their time reading paragraphs of reviews, so they up vote what's simple, short and straight to the point. Not to mention accurate.
No, that's probably just someone who doesn't have English as their first language, making them illiterate in English not retarded.
What? No matter how hard I squint I can't find any resemblance between this guy and Arvo. Besides the obvious he's a carbon based lifeform, bipedal and has opposable thumbs.
I don't see it.
I...don't really see the resemblance, even with the trend of S2 characters looking terrible in A New Frontier.
He looks like Hideo Kojima my dude.
I want an answer.
@JobJStauffer_TTG
@mostlypoptarts
@All-The-Other-Staff-Possibly-Reading-This
Anyone... I'm begging you here... I'm on my KNEES here...
Their eyes do look the same when they are closed.
Except Clementine. They somehow made Clementine look good in ANF, but all the others... just shit.
As one of the few fans of Arvo here I'd say that really doesn't look like him.
As for that image...
He may become the new one
Never mind how she looks, eh?
But yeah, I get the feeling she either has some reservations she's not saying or simply doesn't quite get what David's thinking is.
Damn, when I speculated he'd probably get a slight adrenaline makeover, this is not what I had in mind. Guess Jane didn't eat all that food herself.
An answer to what?
That's because she's one of the main characters they're selling the game with, so of course she'd look like a scrawny little supermodel.
Damn. That's rough buddy.
Someone posted it in the Details thread a few weeks back along with the ages and weights of other characters. I believe they said one of the art directors confirmed it.
On his own merits In Season 1, I'd say yes. In Season 2, not really.
Ten out of ten best possible reply.
Can you explain the logic behind this, love?
And positive opinions are also as valid as negative opinions.
It's an aspect many seem to forget these days.
I admit, just by looking at the YouTube video thumbnail makes me feel hyped and excited.
I haven't seen the clip yet other than reading snips of what you guys said.
Why of course darling.
I made a typo. It was supposed to be "but that what replays are for I guess".
Not sure if that what you were confused about, tho.
Comparing Season 2's problems with Season 3's problems is absolutely ludicrous.
Season 2, while not as great as Season 1, had some pretty stand out moments/scenes. It had a pretty good start and a majority of people consider A House Divided to be in their top 3 favourite episodes of TWD. It had subtle references to our past choices, like if you teach Sarah how to shoot a gun Clem will give her the same advice you gave Clem as Lee in Long Road Ahead and things like that. The choices while not completely game changing do have a bigger impact on how you view a character. If you decided to go with Nick instead of Pete in All That Remains then you'll learn more about his character and why he acts the way he does or if you go with Pete you'll learn more about him and his relationship with Nick.
ANF has almost nothing that anyone can call objectively good. The only positive aspects I've seen talked about are Javier as a protagonist, the family dynamic and Clementine's model. It is universally agreed that the episodes are far too short, the characters are not given the sufficient time to develop and are killed off purely for shock value, the writing is hilariously predictable and your previous choices so far in the other games mean nothing as Clem still acts and talks the same no matter what regardless of the ending in S2.
I'm glad you're enjoying ANF so far but other people aren't and discrediting their opinions as people just loving to complain is just childish.
Not that I'm denying the recent user reviews on Steam were decreasing anyways, but considering people were harassing and singling out users who left positive reviews to call them "screeching autists" before telling them to "kill themselves" (followed by gloating about how some of the positive reviews were removed since people didn't want to deal with those comments), I'm not sure if that's 100% objective.
Maybe like 90% or 95% objective, since the deleted positive reviews may or may not have tipped the scales, so who knows - maybe I'm just being obtuse and splitting hairs, but you get the idea.
What I learned from reading your response is that short, illiterate, and misguided reviews are A-Okay as long as they match my own biased viewpoints.
If that's the case, I wonder why more 13 year olds aren't professional journalists.
What I find funny though is that you seem to be pulling out every defense you can in an attempt to make shitty sloppily written arguments against the game understandable, yet oddly enough seem to jump at the chance to make the exact same argument against shitty sloppily written arguments for the game.
"Either it's all okay, or none of it's okay."
I am quite willing to bet that when Season 4 appears people will stop criticising ANF and focus on it instead. Same thing happens now with Season 2 now that ANF is out. The whole season isn't even complete, you might be surprised by episode 3.
I doubt it's "universally" agreed it's a bad season so far, the reviews are still mostly positive and usually the negativity outshines the positivity. People who enjoy it usually don't bother splitting hairs and just enjoy the game.
Also don't get me wrong, I loved Season 2, but I was just making a comparison. Sure there are issues, but it's blown out of proportion. Every season had its issues, that's undeniable, nothing is perfect after all. Despite that, I still I find that Telltale did an excellent job and came quite close to perfection with every TWD episode to date and I except them to keep that up.
I don't want to invalidate anything, but I see people "losing faith" already and the full season is not even out yet. It's the same thing I read back when season 2 was in the works and will be the same thing I read when Season 4 will come out (hopefully it will appear).
That happened with probably 3 or 4 comments. That won't hardly put a dent in the percent.
...or around 10, so I've heard.