Oh for fucks sake Kenny is dead af now and people still ask if we like him or not....5 years ain't enough for you to know if we loved that damned guy or not lol
I can't imagine there being any good reason to leave out something as simple but important as recordings of dialogue. You don't see the characters speak them, because they're all lost in the herd. So no mouth animation needed.
Channel Simba? Yeah, that makes sense.
So glad you got that reference cause otherwise, I was gonna look feel old and stupid.
… moreAnd unused voice clips during the escape from Howe's? Yeah, I've heard some of them. Seems to me like they really neutered the tension and panic of the scene by leaving them out. That's gotta rank up there in the top 5 dumbest decisions TellTale has made with the walking dead games , if you ask me.
If I'm being frank here, I think they did that to make up for the decreased prominence Sarah was originally gonna have by focusing on her reaction to have the achievement picture make sense and to set up the tension in the trailer in the next episode.
I can't imagine there being any good reason to leave out something as simple but important as recordings of dialogue. You don't see the char… moreacters speak them, because they're all lost in the herd. So no mouth animation needed.
It's just boneheaded laziness.
To start, let me say that i dislike the personality/morality of both characters (this is diferent from disliking a character), one can love the most twisted and evil villains, but if he kills 500 people for fun you can't exactly defend his actions, unless you are insane. No, i'm not saying that they were villains.
1- Kenny is an amazing character.
2- Jane never lead for him to believe that she intentionally killed the baby, his conclusion and reaction were undefendable. In fact she said this after him accusing her of killing the baby, "I DIDN'T KILL HIM, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT", how does everyone ignores this? Clem says "Let her talk", he just ignores and attacks again. How can one even begin to fathom that his reaction was normal after she said this? He didn't even wanted to hear her explanation, even with absolutely no reason, evidence or sign that she murdered the baby.
3- So yes he was a mentally unstable by the end of S2, not without reasons of course, blame the "PTSD", the traumas, all the loved ones he lost, but this doesn't change the fact that he tried to kill an innocent woman, and some people have to understand the diference between motives and legitimate justification. He had plenty of motives that caused that reaction, but it was wrong and unjustified.
4- The fact that she ALSO did a bad thing, baiting him, puting the baby in danger and not stopping the fight when she could doesn't invalidate her point, that he was crazy, in fact it was confirmed by his actions. Making an analogy with Law, it would be an evidence obtained illegally, not valid in a court of justice but it still reflects the truth.
5- People claiming that "she deserved to die due stupidity". Really? Damn...
Kenny fans, just cause you like/love him doesn't mean he was right in that situation, yes he was a great character, way better then Jane, but what he did was wrong.
Kenny was around for Clementine from the start and so know if you were to choose from an old friend who helped you survive since you were 8 or someone you met 2 months ago, I would definitely be on Kenny's side. Also, you aren't excepting people opinions or thoughts. You either disagree with them and say that their statement is bullshit. If you believe that so much then what was the point of posting this whole article.
Because she just saw him get violently killed, knew for a fact that that's what happened, and her PTSD/anxiety just took over, making her get as far away from what was stressing her out as possible. She also didn't have a weapon to defend herself with either, so getting out of there instead of sticking around in the fray mourning him while defenseless was a good idea/reaction either way.
The other reason I said they put the focus on her was to influence people's choices in the trailer.
I am only grateful that, in light of the scarcity of narrative-oriented discussion that has caught my attention, the topic of Kenny has resurfaced in some form. Have you noticed that I haven't "run down" anybody?
Yet if it was a thread called "Why does everyone hate him" you'll say "i wish you hadn't made this thread" or you'd run him down i imagine.
I will just say to the OP: i disagreeeee
Oh come on man! You thanked the OP for running Kenny down though, yet if it was the other way around and the OP was praising him, you wouldn't have said "thank you for making this thread", you probably would have added the negatives about Kenny as usual haha.
I really wish people were more neutral sometimes, myself included before you mention it. But to be fair, threads like these are asking for arguments. It always turns into arguments when Kenny or Jane is brought up in conversation
That's a rash assumption.
I am only grateful that, in light of the scarcity of narrative-oriented discussion that has caught my attention, the topic of Kenny has resurfaced in some form. Have you noticed that I haven't "run down" anybody?
That's a rash assumption.
I am only grateful that, in light of the scarcity of narrative-oriented discussion that has caught my attention, the topic of Kenny has resurfaced in some form. Have you noticed that I haven't "run down" anybody?
2- Jane never lead for him to believe that she intentionally killed the baby, his conclusion and reaction were undefendable.
If there is someone you don't trust, someone who had previously made it clear that she never really wanted the baby around, the time she implied to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when he's born because of the problems he would cause, someone who constantly referred to AJ as an "it" (watch the scene with Jane and Clem in the half built building), then i would also assume she had killed the baby. Yes, perhaps attacking her wasn't something he should have initially done, no, however, given the desperate situation they were in, steanded at a rest stop, ice cold blizzard and what not, and the fact that Kenny cared a great deal for the baby can you blame him for reacting that way? I can't.
In fact she said this after him accusing her of killing the baby, "I DIDN'T KILL HIM, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT",
Yes he accused her before this and he thinks that it being an accident was bullshit, he didn't believe her. Ok, again initially he shouldn't have attacked her for an assumption but the funny thing is, he was partially not wrong about her. Ok, she didn't kill the baby, but she did lie about him being dead saying "it was an accident". The fact is, if she hadn't pulled her idiotic stunt in the first place then nothing like this would have happened and NO ONE would have died. She knew how unstable he was and she knew he would try to kill her (something she admits when fighting on the ground).
how does everyone ignores this? Clem says "Let her talk", he just ignores and attacks again.
Um excuse me? Jane continues to attack him as well if Clem tells Jane to stop. It is exactly the same so please don't just blame Kenny for continuing the fight when Jane is just as much to blame.
3- So yes he was a mentally unstable by the end of S2, not without reasons of course, blame the "PTSD", the traumas, all the loved ones he lost, but this doesn't change the fact that he tried to kill an innocent woman,
Ok let me just say this, if you think Jane was innocent in all this then i think the convo should end here because i will not speak to anyone who will actually defend Jane's actions here. Jane was definitely NOT innocent at all. She hid the baby to anger Kenny, she knew how he would react, she wanted him to be like that to show Clem he was dangerous. How the fucking hell is that innocent? She put THREE lives in danger by doing that, her own life, Clem being caught in the crossfire and leaving AJ in a freezing car alone where if he had cried, walkers could have found him. The window was ajar for them to push it open and get to him. That or if he had froze to death first. After she slashed him with the knife and they went outside, Kenny was naturally backing off, she told him to go and he wouldn't BUT she didn't stop it either, she actually charged towards him at the point. She was trying to kill Kenny too.
If you were referring to her being innocent for not killing the baby then i apologise, but her being innocent completely is bullshit.
and some people have to understand the diference between motives and legitimate justification. He had plenty of motives that caused that reaction, but it was wrong and unjustified.
When you instigate a fight to make someone react like that, is also completely wrong and as i said, had she not caused it, then the fight would not have happened in the first place.
4- The fact that she ALSO did a bad thing, baiting him, puting the baby in danger and not stopping the fight when she could doesn't invalidate her point, that he was crazy, in fact it was confirmed by his actions.
I spoke to soon earlier. At least you acknowledge the fucked up thing she had done as well.
5- People claiming that "she deserved to die due stupidity". Really? Damn...
I agree. She didn't deserve to "die" but at the same time she caused it to happen because she knew it was a risk that it could happen. She could have just ended it by telling him or Clem that the baby was fine before the fight got out of hand. If she had told Clem where AJ was, she could have ran, brought the baby back towards where Kenny was and he could have come to his senses when seeing AJ. This whole end scene was awful from Telltale. The amount of shit it has caused for fans has been out of control.
Kenny fans, just cause you like/love him doesn't mean he was right in that situation, yes he was a great character, way better then Jane, but what he did was wrong.
Yes true but please acknowledge that Jane was not in the right either.
To start, let me say that i dislike the personality/morality of both characters (this is diferent from disliking a character), one can love … morethe most twisted and evil villains, but if he kills 500 people for fun you can't exactly defend his actions, unless you are insane. No, i'm not saying that they were villains.
1- Kenny is an amazing character.
2- Jane never lead for him to believe that she intentionally killed the baby, his conclusion and reaction were undefendable. In fact she said this after him accusing her of killing the baby, "I DIDN'T KILL HIM, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT", how does everyone ignores this? Clem says "Let her talk", he just ignores and attacks again. How can one even begin to fathom that his reaction was normal after she said this? He didn't even wanted to hear her explanation, even with absolutely no reason, evidence or sign that she murdered the baby.
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Right, because she had so much concern for her own safety when she put Luke and everyone else in danger, and pretty much committed suicide. I'm not buying it.
Because she just saw him get violently killed, knew for a fact that that's what happened, and her PTSD/anxiety just took over, making her ge… moret as far away from what was stressing her out as possible. She also didn't have a weapon to defend herself with either, so getting out of there instead of sticking around in the fray mourning him while defenseless was a good idea/reaction either way.
The other reason I said they put the focus on her was to influence people's choices in the trailer.
You have to realize that Sarah, like Kenny and Nick, is an emotionally driven persona except anger and aggression are two things she rarely displays and thus fear and anxiety are her poison. Like I said, she got as far as she did because she was freaked out and just crashed once she got somewhere she felt was safe enough. By the time Clementine got there, she and Luke had been sitting there, occasionally fighting, for hours and she just wanted to be left alone, indifferent/ignorant of the herd of walkers that began banging on the front door of the trailer over time. The confirmation that she had PTSD explains why she freaked out every time someone tried to touch her or made a loud noise: she's more or less having flashbacks to Carlos's death(and/or maybe even her absent mom's) and she's too worked up to move on her own at that point. I realize that just sitting there wasn't the smartest thing to do after a point, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in her moment of trauma and mourning. All she really needed was a push in the right direction, even if it meant hurting her in the moment; and if her respective reactions are any indication, 'suicide' was never on her game plan to begin with.
Right, because she had so much concern for her own safety when she put Luke and everyone else in danger, and pretty much committed suicide. I'm not buying it.
You known everytime i come to this thread i remember this youtube channel named thesw1tcher that did a let s play on seasons 1 and 2 Of TWD and the season 2 let s play was completely unbearable because it was pretty much this:
´´Fuck Nick , Fuck Kenny , Fuck the baby and we love you Sarah´´
95% of the LP was spent on them expressing how much They hate Kenny and how he took Carver s beating cause he wanted all the glory and other things like that they also stated that they only Cut off Sarita s hand To see Kenny Suffer and then spent the entirety of Sarita s death Yelling: ´´That s how Larry felt Asshole!´´
In the end the only characters who they liked in season 2 Was Sarah and Jane which are pretty much complete oposites...
If there is someone you don't trust, someone who had previously made it clear that she never really wanted the baby around, the time she implied to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when he's born because of the problems he would cause, someone who constantly referred to AJ as an "it" (watch the scene with Jane and Clem in the half built building), then i would also assume she had killed the baby. Yes, perhaps attacking her wasn't something he should have initially done, no, however, given the desperate situation they were in, steanded at a rest stop, ice cold blizzard and what not, and the fact that Kenny cared a great deal for the baby can you blame him for reacting that way? I can't.
If he didn't attacked and just asked what happened, this would make her wrong, he wouldn't react the way she wanted. When i say that she was right i'm talking about the results, not the actions.
The fact is, if she hadn't pulled her idiotic stunt in the first place then nothing like this would have happened and NO ONE would have died. She knew how unstable he was and she knew he would try to kill her (something she admits when fighting on the ground).
Exactly, but understand that in her mind, and THIS is right, proved by his actions, something like that would happen sonner or later, she just accelerated, she wanted to prove this to Clem right away. Yourself admited, he was unstable, in an apocaliptic world you can't exactly live with that and put him on a mental health facility.
Um excuse me? Jane continues to attack him as well if Clem tells Jane to stop. It is exactly the same so please don't just blame Kenny for continuing the fight when Jane is just as much to blame.
Not quite, watch the scene, as i said, clem tries to stop him, he pushes clem and acusses Jane (WHILE PUNCHING HER LOL), she claims innocent, clem asks him to listen to her, he tells clem to shut up, Jane puts away the knife and says to him "don't come near me son of a b*", he attacks her. From this point yes, both are fighting and no one wants to stop. She is to blame, but not in the same level as him.
If you were referring to her being innocent for not killing the baby then i apologise, but her being innocent completely is bullshit.
Yes, "innocent" i'm refering to the acusation of killing a baby.
I spoke to soon earlier. At least you acknowledge the fucked up thing she had done as well.
I never said she was a good person and all her actions were good and right, i don't like her myself as i said on the first phrase.
Yes true but please acknowledge that Jane was not in the right either.
I did. Yeah she did a lot of bad, again, when i say she was right i'm refering just to Kenny mental state. Not her actions. She baiting him could be considered a situation like "the end justify the means", i don't like consequentialism myself, but its understandable in a post apocaliptic world.
Thanks for openly debating, you are on the good side of Kenny fans, but as you can see most of you tend to be very defensive just cause you like him, neutrality is necessary on a debate like this.
2- Jane never lead for him to believe that she intentionally killed the baby, his conclusion and reaction were undefendable.
If ther… moree is someone you don't trust, someone who had previously made it clear that she never really wanted the baby around, the time she implied to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when he's born because of the problems he would cause, someone who constantly referred to AJ as an "it" (watch the scene with Jane and Clem in the half built building), then i would also assume she had killed the baby. Yes, perhaps attacking her wasn't something he should have initially done, no, however, given the desperate situation they were in, steanded at a rest stop, ice cold blizzard and what not, and the fact that Kenny cared a great deal for the baby can you blame him for reacting that way? I can't.
In fact she said this after him accusing her of killing the baby, "I DIDN'T KILL HIM, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT",
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You known everytime i come to this thread i remember this youtube channel named thesw1tcher that did a let s play on seasons 1 and 2 Of TWD … moreand the season 2 let s play was completely unbearable because it was pretty much this:
´´Fuck Nick , Fuck Kenny , Fuck the baby and we love you Sarah´´
95% of the LP was spent on them expressing how much They hate Kenny and how he took Carver s beating cause he wanted all the glory and other things like that they also stated that they only Cut off Sarita s hand To see Kenny Suffer and then spent the entirety of Sarita s death Yelling: ´´That s how Larry felt Asshole!´´
In the end the only characters who they liked in season 2 Was Sarah and Jane which are pretty much complete oposites...
If there is someone you don't trust, someone who had previously made it clear that she never really wanted the baby around, the time she imp… morelied to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when he's born because of the problems he would cause, someone who constantly referred to AJ as an "it" (watch the scene with Jane and Clem in the half built building), then i would also assume she had killed the baby. Yes, perhaps attacking her wasn't something he should have initially done, no, however, given the desperate situation they were in, steanded at a rest stop, ice cold blizzard and what not, and the fact that Kenny cared a great deal for the baby can you blame him for reacting that way? I can't.
If he didn't attacked and just asked what happened, this would make her wrong, he wouldn't react the way she wanted. When i say that she was right i'm talking about the results, not the actions.
The fact is, if she hadn't pulled her idi… [view original content]
You known everytime i come to this thread i remember this youtube channel named thesw1tcher that did a let s play on seasons 1 and 2 Of TWD … moreand the season 2 let s play was completely unbearable because it was pretty much this:
´´Fuck Nick , Fuck Kenny , Fuck the baby and we love you Sarah´´
95% of the LP was spent on them expressing how much They hate Kenny and how he took Carver s beating cause he wanted all the glory and other things like that they also stated that they only Cut off Sarita s hand To see Kenny Suffer and then spent the entirety of Sarita s death Yelling: ´´That s how Larry felt Asshole!´´
In the end the only characters who they liked in season 2 Was Sarah and Jane which are pretty much complete oposites...
That s what i think got them Hating the Baby because Sarah Had just died and everyone was happy because of the baby Mainly Kenny who they Hate Completely.
In the end the only characters who they liked in season 2 Was Sarah and Jane which are pretty much complete oposites...
Oh my goodne… moress, are you serious?! I mean, I can certainly see hints of why, but that's kind of a rarity based on the past favorites lists.
Yeah, that definitely had something to do with it.
Though in my case, I was indifferent to Kenny once he got over it(which is a good thing, considering everything else that was going on) and grew impatient at times during the next episode.
That s what i think got them Hating the Baby because Sarah Had just died and everyone was happy because of the baby Mainly Kenny who they Hate Completely.
If he didn't attacked and just asked what happened, this would make her wrong, he wouldn't react the way she wanted. When i say that she was right i'm talking about the results, not the actions.
Fair enough.
Exactly, but understand that in her mind, and THIS is right, proved by his actions, something like that would happen sonner or later, she just accelerated, she wanted to prove this to Clem right away. Yourself admited, he was unstable, in an apocaliptic world you can't exactly live with that and put him on a mental health facility.
The way i see it is that she wanted Clem to go with her and leave Kenny. She didn't even give Clem a choice or ask her what she wanted. She forced the decision on her. She didn't have to do what she did and that is the whole point. Personally I don't think it would have happened sooner or later. Kenny is like a beast that can be tamed with the right treatment. If someone is unstable and loses their shit
at the drop off a hat, you try to help them, you keep them calm, you be there for them as support. You don't target their weakness and destroy them like Jane did. That is the problem I have here with Jane. If i was her in real life, i may have not liked him that much, but i would have supported him for Clem's sake. She caused such a disastrous scenario. Riling him up in the car should have been enough to show Clem, it actually was enough really but she had to go one further. Im sorry but good intentions matter for shit here because she cannot be trusted. At least with Kenny besides his faults he has never lied to Clem or anyone about anything. That is one main reason why i have always liked Kenny. Despite his hot headed behaviour at times, he has always been honest about what he does and says things exactly how they are and speaks his mind, something a lot of people don't like to listen to. I felt that everything he did was for the good of the people he was with. Sadly though it always come across as bad or plans not always thought through properly.
Im just giving you an insight here as to why i will never like Jane compared to Kenny. Thanks for your posts. And yeah not every Kenny fan is how you think, the same as that not every Jane fan is how i think.
If there is someone you don't trust, someone who had previously made it clear that she never really wanted the baby around, the time she imp… morelied to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when he's born because of the problems he would cause, someone who constantly referred to AJ as an "it" (watch the scene with Jane and Clem in the half built building), then i would also assume she had killed the baby. Yes, perhaps attacking her wasn't something he should have initially done, no, however, given the desperate situation they were in, steanded at a rest stop, ice cold blizzard and what not, and the fact that Kenny cared a great deal for the baby can you blame him for reacting that way? I can't.
If he didn't attacked and just asked what happened, this would make her wrong, he wouldn't react the way she wanted. When i say that she was right i'm talking about the results, not the actions.
The fact is, if she hadn't pulled her idi… [view original content]
Kenny is like a beast that can be tamed with the right treatment. If someone is unstable and loses their shit
at the drop off a hat, you try to help them, you keep them calm, you be there for them as support. You don't target their weakness and destroy them like Jane did.
If he didn't attacked and just asked what happened, this would make her wrong, he wouldn't react the way she wanted. When i say that she was… more right i'm talking about the results, not the actions.
Fair enough.
Exactly, but understand that in her mind, and THIS is right, proved by his actions, something like that would happen sonner or later, she just accelerated, she wanted to prove this to Clem right away. Yourself admited, he was unstable, in an apocaliptic world you can't exactly live with that and put him on a mental health facility.
The way i see it is that she wanted Clem to go with her and leave Kenny. She didn't even give Clem a choice or ask her what she wanted. She forced the decision on her. She didn't have to do what she did and that is the whole point. Personally I don't think it would have happened sooner or later. Kenny is like a beast that can be tamed with the right treatment. If someone is unstable and lo… [view original content]
Kenny is the best character in all of the walking dead, him dying was the shittiest thing that's happened with me and my relationship to the walking dead. He was my favourite character of all, the comics, the games, the shows, he was my favourite. I even made a theory thread how he could live, not when you see him die though, if you go into Wellington or ditch him. I hated his death so much that I wish I could've taken his place irl. Not kill my self, I mean by being in the game and dying instead. I'm not even sure why. I guess it's because he had the most character devolpment. Besides Clementine.
Kenny is the best character in all of the walking dead, him dying was the shittiest thing that's happened with me and my relationship to the… more walking dead. He was my favourite character of all, the comics, the games, the shows, he was my favourite. I even made a theory thread how he could live, not when you see him die though, if you go into Wellington or ditch him. I hated his death so much that I wish I could've taken his place irl. Not kill my self, I mean by being in the game and dying instead. I'm not even sure why. I guess it's because he had the most character devolpment. Besides Clementine.
You have to realize that Sarah, like Kenny and Nick, is an emotionally driven persona except anger and aggression are two things she rarely … moredisplays and thus fear and anxiety are her poison. Like I said, she got as far as she did because she was freaked out and just crashed once she got somewhere she felt was safe enough. By the time Clementine got there, she and Luke had been sitting there, occasionally fighting, for hours and she just wanted to be left alone, indifferent/ignorant of the herd of walkers that began banging on the front door of the trailer over time. The confirmation that she had PTSD explains why she freaked out every time someone tried to touch her or made a loud noise: she's more or less having flashbacks to Carlos's death(and/or maybe even her absent mom's) and she's too worked up to move on her own at that point. I realize that just sitting there wasn't the smartest thing to do after a point, but I'm willing to give her t… [view original content]
I sure am glad not to watch that. Same as I won't watch sialark's fucking playthrough's. Worries me how people can hate a fictional character so much as she does
You known everytime i come to this thread i remember this youtube channel named thesw1tcher that did a let s play on seasons 1 and 2 Of TWD … moreand the season 2 let s play was completely unbearable because it was pretty much this:
´´Fuck Nick , Fuck Kenny , Fuck the baby and we love you Sarah´´
95% of the LP was spent on them expressing how much They hate Kenny and how he took Carver s beating cause he wanted all the glory and other things like that they also stated that they only Cut off Sarita s hand To see Kenny Suffer and then spent the entirety of Sarita s death Yelling: ´´That s how Larry felt Asshole!´´
In the end the only characters who they liked in season 2 Was Sarah and Jane which are pretty much complete oposites...
There was none: she was just wanted to be left alone somewhere safe where she can take time to come to grips with what happened and sort things out from there. Unfortunately, in her panic, she happened to pick an area that was an old warzone(according to the Telltale Stream) filled with walkers that targeted her and Luke due to the constant noise they were making arguing with each other. That's those two for you--both are nice, friendly, and occasionally sneaky people; neither are particularly bright.
There was none: she was just wanted to be left alone somewhere safe where she can take time to come to grips with what happened and sort thi… morengs out from there. Unfortunately, in her panic, she happened to pick an area that was an old warzone(according to the Telltale Stream) filled with walkers that targeted her and Luke due to the constant noise they were making arguing with each other. That's those two for you--both are nice, friendly, and occasionally sneaky people; neither are particularly bright.
Yeah, I get that. But when they were literally breaking down the doors? It just made her look stupid. Where's her basic self-preservation instinct?
Yeah, I know, that's probably the one time the game's limited structure regarding choices didn't work in her favor, as they made the slap mandatory to saving her. Telling her the best thing under the best circumstances does seemingly get through to her as she takes her glasses back, but I think the idea is that while she recognizes the danger now, she's just too paralyzed with fear/trauma to move on her own at that point, as she responds to you saying you have to go with a whispery "...I can't...."
I mean, I get that they wanted the slap to be what gets her moving for drama and pandering-sake, but I do think they should've had at least one instance where she would move if you're relationship has been wholly positive with her.
also, what's the deal with this telltale stream thing? vital info about the story should be IN the game!
Yeah, apparently, he(don't remember his name) really wanted that to be much clearer in actual game, but they just didn't have the means or time or whatever to make it clearer. It is really interesting though, as I always just assumed that was part of the same herd that showed up outside Howe's and they just followed Sarah, Luke, and Nick there; guess it explains that one female walker that looks kinda like Bonnie banging on the glass in that one trailer.
I posted a number of things revealed there in the details thread, including an alternate sequence leading up to that involving Clementine and Luke encountering a bear during a snowstorm or something.
Yeah, I get that. But when they were literally breaking down the doors? It just made her look stupid. Where's her basic self-preservation in… morestinct?
also, what's the deal with this telltale stream thing? vital info about the story should be IN the game!
I posted a number of things revealed there in the details thread, including an alternate sequence leading up to that involving Clementine and Luke encountering a bear during a snowstorm or something.
woah, I don't know about that. Was that just an idea? Or did it actually get made and then cut out, like the supposed fishing with Alvin scene?
Yeah, I get that. But when they were literally breaking down the doors? It just made her look stupid. Where's her basic self-preservation in… morestinct?
Yeah, I know, that's probably the one time the game's limited structure regarding choices didn't work in her favor, as they made the slap mandatory to saving her. Telling her the best thing under the best circumstances does seemingly get through to her as she takes her glasses back, but I think the idea is that while she recognizes the danger now, she's just too paralyzed with fear/trauma to move on her own at that point, as she responds to you saying you have to go with a whispery "...I can't...."
I mean, I get that they wanted the slap to be what gets her moving for drama and pandering-sake, but I do think they should've had at least one instance where she would move if you're relationship has been wholly positive with her.
also, what's the deal with this telltale stream thing? … [view original content]
I posted a number of things revealed there in the details thread, including an alternate sequence leading up to that involving Clementine an… mored Luke encountering a bear during a snowstorm or something.
woah, I don't know about that. Was that just an idea? Or did it actually get made and then cut out, like the supposed fishing with Alvin scene?
It's around about a month ago I made this thread and I regret it, if you like Kenny, you fucking like Kenny, if you like Jane, you fucking like Jane, if you hate them both or don't mind them both (personally I don't even mind kenny anymore) then so be it, can this thread just go away now though? I'm bored of seeing it in my feed
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Oh for fucks sake Kenny is dead af now and people still ask if we like him or not....5 years ain't enough for you to know if we loved that damned guy or not lol
I can't imagine there being any good reason to leave out something as simple but important as recordings of dialogue. You don't see the characters speak them, because they're all lost in the herd. So no mouth animation needed.
It's just boneheaded laziness.
Yeah probably. Still, that meant they could make people focus on the fact that Sarah lost it.
I don't like Kenny prefer Luke , Lee and Clementine
To start, let me say that i dislike the personality/morality of both characters (this is diferent from disliking a character), one can love the most twisted and evil villains, but if he kills 500 people for fun you can't exactly defend his actions, unless you are insane. No, i'm not saying that they were villains.
1- Kenny is an amazing character.
2- Jane never lead for him to believe that she intentionally killed the baby, his conclusion and reaction were undefendable. In fact she said this after him accusing her of killing the baby, "I DIDN'T KILL HIM, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT", how does everyone ignores this? Clem says "Let her talk", he just ignores and attacks again. How can one even begin to fathom that his reaction was normal after she said this? He didn't even wanted to hear her explanation, even with absolutely no reason, evidence or sign that she murdered the baby.
3- So yes he was a mentally unstable by the end of S2, not without reasons of course, blame the "PTSD", the traumas, all the loved ones he lost, but this doesn't change the fact that he tried to kill an innocent woman, and some people have to understand the diference between motives and legitimate justification. He had plenty of motives that caused that reaction, but it was wrong and unjustified.
4- The fact that she ALSO did a bad thing, baiting him, puting the baby in danger and not stopping the fight when she could doesn't invalidate her point, that he was crazy, in fact it was confirmed by his actions. Making an analogy with Law, it would be an evidence obtained illegally, not valid in a court of justice but it still reflects the truth.
5- People claiming that "she deserved to die due stupidity". Really? Damn...
Kenny fans, just cause you like/love him doesn't mean he was right in that situation, yes he was a great character, way better then Jane, but what he did was wrong.
Kenny was around for Clementine from the start and so know if you were to choose from an old friend who helped you survive since you were 8 or someone you met 2 months ago, I would definitely be on Kenny's side. Also, you aren't excepting people opinions or thoughts. You either disagree with them and say that their statement is bullshit. If you believe that so much then what was the point of posting this whole article.
I have to say kenny is one of if not the most polarizing character in any telltale game.
Yet if it was a thread called "Why does everyone hate him" you'll say "i wish you hadn't made this thread" or you'd run him down i imagine.
I will just say to the OP: i disagreeeee
They didn't focus hard enough. Why would she run away from her dad?
Because she just saw him get violently killed, knew for a fact that that's what happened, and her PTSD/anxiety just took over, making her get as far away from what was stressing her out as possible. She also didn't have a weapon to defend herself with either, so getting out of there instead of sticking around in the fray mourning him while defenseless was a good idea/reaction either way.
The other reason I said they put the focus on her was to influence people's choices in the trailer.
That's a rash assumption.
I am only grateful that, in light of the scarcity of narrative-oriented discussion that has caught my attention, the topic of Kenny has resurfaced in some form. Have you noticed that I haven't "run down" anybody?
Oh come on man! You thanked the OP for running Kenny down though, yet if it was the other way around and the OP was praising him, you wouldn't have said "thank you for making this thread", you probably would have added the negatives about Kenny as usual haha.
I really wish people were more neutral sometimes, myself included before you mention it. But to be fair, threads like these are asking for arguments. It always turns into arguments when Kenny or Jane is brought up in conversation
Btw when i said run down, i was referring to Kenny, not the OP. I know you wouldn't run down another user. At least I haven't seen you do so before
If there is someone you don't trust, someone who had previously made it clear that she never really wanted the baby around, the time she implied to Rebecca that she should get rid of the baby when he's born because of the problems he would cause, someone who constantly referred to AJ as an "it" (watch the scene with Jane and Clem in the half built building), then i would also assume she had killed the baby. Yes, perhaps attacking her wasn't something he should have initially done, no, however, given the desperate situation they were in, steanded at a rest stop, ice cold blizzard and what not, and the fact that Kenny cared a great deal for the baby can you blame him for reacting that way? I can't.
Yes he accused her before this and he thinks that it being an accident was bullshit, he didn't believe her. Ok, again initially he shouldn't have attacked her for an assumption but the funny thing is, he was partially not wrong about her. Ok, she didn't kill the baby, but she did lie about him being dead saying "it was an accident". The fact is, if she hadn't pulled her idiotic stunt in the first place then nothing like this would have happened and NO ONE would have died. She knew how unstable he was and she knew he would try to kill her (something she admits when fighting on the ground).
Um excuse me? Jane continues to attack him as well if Clem tells Jane to stop. It is exactly the same so please don't just blame Kenny for continuing the fight when Jane is just as much to blame.
Ok let me just say this, if you think Jane was innocent in all this then i think the convo should end here because i will not speak to anyone who will actually defend Jane's actions here. Jane was definitely NOT innocent at all. She hid the baby to anger Kenny, she knew how he would react, she wanted him to be like that to show Clem he was dangerous. How the fucking hell is that innocent? She put THREE lives in danger by doing that, her own life, Clem being caught in the crossfire and leaving AJ in a freezing car alone where if he had cried, walkers could have found him. The window was ajar for them to push it open and get to him. That or if he had froze to death first. After she slashed him with the knife and they went outside, Kenny was naturally backing off, she told him to go and he wouldn't BUT she didn't stop it either, she actually charged towards him at the point. She was trying to kill Kenny too.
If you were referring to her being innocent for not killing the baby then i apologise, but her being innocent completely is bullshit.
When you instigate a fight to make someone react like that, is also completely wrong and as i said, had she not caused it, then the fight would not have happened in the first place.
I spoke to soon earlier. At least you acknowledge the fucked up thing she had done as well.
I agree. She didn't deserve to "die" but at the same time she caused it to happen because she knew it was a risk that it could happen. She could have just ended it by telling him or Clem that the baby was fine before the fight got out of hand. If she had told Clem where AJ was, she could have ran, brought the baby back towards where Kenny was and he could have come to his senses when seeing AJ. This whole end scene was awful from Telltale. The amount of shit it has caused for fans has been out of control.
Yes true but please acknowledge that Jane was not in the right either.
I think we can all agree on this. A character Telltale will never create another like him i'm sure
Right, because she had so much concern for her own safety when she put Luke and everyone else in danger, and pretty much committed suicide. I'm not buying it.
You have to realize that Sarah, like Kenny and Nick, is an emotionally driven persona except anger and aggression are two things she rarely displays and thus fear and anxiety are her poison. Like I said, she got as far as she did because she was freaked out and just crashed once she got somewhere she felt was safe enough. By the time Clementine got there, she and Luke had been sitting there, occasionally fighting, for hours and she just wanted to be left alone, indifferent/ignorant of the herd of walkers that began banging on the front door of the trailer over time. The confirmation that she had PTSD explains why she freaked out every time someone tried to touch her or made a loud noise: she's more or less having flashbacks to Carlos's death(and/or maybe even her absent mom's) and she's too worked up to move on her own at that point. I realize that just sitting there wasn't the smartest thing to do after a point, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in her moment of trauma and mourning. All she really needed was a push in the right direction, even if it meant hurting her in the moment; and if her respective reactions are any indication, 'suicide' was never on her game plan to begin with.
You known everytime i come to this thread i remember this youtube channel named thesw1tcher that did a let s play on seasons 1 and 2 Of TWD and the season 2 let s play was completely unbearable because it was pretty much this:
´´Fuck Nick , Fuck Kenny , Fuck the baby and we love you Sarah´´
95% of the LP was spent on them expressing how much They hate Kenny and how he took Carver s beating cause he wanted all the glory and other things like that they also stated that they only Cut off Sarita s hand To see Kenny Suffer and then spent the entirety of Sarita s death Yelling: ´´That s how Larry felt Asshole!´´
In the end the only characters who they liked in season 2 Was Sarah and Jane which are pretty much complete oposites...
If he didn't attacked and just asked what happened, this would make her wrong, he wouldn't react the way she wanted. When i say that she was right i'm talking about the results, not the actions.
Exactly, but understand that in her mind, and THIS is right, proved by his actions, something like that would happen sonner or later, she just accelerated, she wanted to prove this to Clem right away. Yourself admited, he was unstable, in an apocaliptic world you can't exactly live with that and put him on a mental health facility.
Not quite, watch the scene, as i said, clem tries to stop him, he pushes clem and acusses Jane (WHILE PUNCHING HER LOL), she claims innocent, clem asks him to listen to her, he tells clem to shut up, Jane puts away the knife and says to him "don't come near me son of a b*", he attacks her. From this point yes, both are fighting and no one wants to stop. She is to blame, but not in the same level as him.
Yes, "innocent" i'm refering to the acusation of killing a baby.
I never said she was a good person and all her actions were good and right, i don't like her myself as i said on the first phrase.
I did. Yeah she did a lot of bad, again, when i say she was right i'm refering just to Kenny mental state. Not her actions. She baiting him could be considered a situation like "the end justify the means", i don't like consequentialism myself, but its understandable in a post apocaliptic world.
Thanks for openly debating, you are on the good side of Kenny fans, but as you can see most of you tend to be very defensive just cause you like him, neutrality is necessary on a debate like this.
I honestly can't stand either of them
Actually, I'm pretty sure he was talking to Jane there, as she said something along the lines of "I'm not afraid of you".
Oh my goodness, are you serious?! I mean, I can certainly see hints of why, but that's kind of a rarity based on the past favorites lists.
Who, the hotheaded hats or the psychologically disturbed lesbians?
That s what i think got them Hating the Baby because Sarah Had just died and everyone was happy because of the baby Mainly Kenny who they Hate Completely.
Yeah, that definitely had something to do with it.
Though in my case, I was indifferent to Kenny once he got over it(which is a good thing, considering everything else that was going on) and grew impatient at times during the next episode.
Then why did you choose Kenny as your avatar?
I was referring to the Switcher guys
Oh sorry, I tough you were referring to Ken and Jane. I agree though, the Switcher guys are annoying as hell.
Fair enough.
The way i see it is that she wanted Clem to go with her and leave Kenny. She didn't even give Clem a choice or ask her what she wanted. She forced the decision on her. She didn't have to do what she did and that is the whole point. Personally I don't think it would have happened sooner or later. Kenny is like a beast that can be tamed with the right treatment. If someone is unstable and loses their shit
at the drop off a hat, you try to help them, you keep them calm, you be there for them as support. You don't target their weakness and destroy them like Jane did. That is the problem I have here with Jane. If i was her in real life, i may have not liked him that much, but i would have supported him for Clem's sake. She caused such a disastrous scenario. Riling him up in the car should have been enough to show Clem, it actually was enough really but she had to go one further. Im sorry but good intentions matter for shit here because she cannot be trusted. At least with Kenny besides his faults he has never lied to Clem or anyone about anything. That is one main reason why i have always liked Kenny. Despite his hot headed behaviour at times, he has always been honest about what he does and says things exactly how they are and speaks his mind, something a lot of people don't like to listen to. I felt that everything he did was for the good of the people he was with. Sadly though it always come across as bad or plans not always thought through properly.
Im just giving you an insight here as to why i will never like Jane compared to Kenny. Thanks for your posts. And yeah not every Kenny fan is how you think, the same as that not every Jane fan is how i think.
Thank You!
Kenny is the best character in all of the walking dead, him dying was the shittiest thing that's happened with me and my relationship to the walking dead. He was my favourite character of all, the comics, the games, the shows, he was my favourite. I even made a theory thread how he could live, not when you see him die though, if you go into Wellington or ditch him. I hated his death so much that I wish I could've taken his place irl. Not kill my self, I mean by being in the game and dying instead. I'm not even sure why. I guess it's because he had the most character devolpment. Besides Clementine.
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yeah, what was her game plan then? fight off all the walkers by herself? she's not stupid.
I sure am glad not to watch that. Same as I won't watch sialark's fucking playthrough's. Worries me how people can hate a fictional character so much as she does
There was none: she was just wanted to be left alone somewhere safe where she can take time to come to grips with what happened and sort things out from there. Unfortunately, in her panic, she happened to pick an area that was an old warzone(according to the Telltale Stream) filled with walkers that targeted her and Luke due to the constant noise they were making arguing with each other. That's those two for you--both are nice, friendly, and occasionally sneaky people; neither are particularly bright.
Yeah, I get that. But when they were literally breaking down the doors? It just made her look stupid. Where's her basic self-preservation instinct?
also, what's the deal with this telltale stream thing? vital info about the story should be IN the game!
Yeah, I know, that's probably the one time the game's limited structure regarding choices didn't work in her favor, as they made the slap mandatory to saving her. Telling her the best thing under the best circumstances does seemingly get through to her as she takes her glasses back, but I think the idea is that while she recognizes the danger now, she's just too paralyzed with fear/trauma to move on her own at that point, as she responds to you saying you have to go with a whispery "...I can't...."
I mean, I get that they wanted the slap to be what gets her moving for drama and pandering-sake, but I do think they should've had at least one instance where she would move if you're relationship has been wholly positive with her.
Yeah, apparently, he(don't remember his name) really wanted that to be much clearer in actual game, but they just didn't have the means or time or whatever to make it clearer. It is really interesting though, as I always just assumed that was part of the same herd that showed up outside Howe's and they just followed Sarah, Luke, and Nick there; guess it explains that one female walker that looks kinda like Bonnie banging on the glass in that one trailer.
I posted a number of things revealed there in the details thread, including an alternate sequence leading up to that involving Clementine and Luke encountering a bear during a snowstorm or something.
woah, I don't know about that. Was that just an idea? Or did it actually get made and then cut out, like the supposed fishing with Alvin scene?
I think it just an idea, though someone mentioned that it was later used in Game of Thrones or something, so who knows?
It's around about a month ago I made this thread and I regret it, if you like Kenny, you fucking like Kenny, if you like Jane, you fucking like Jane, if you hate them both or don't mind them both (personally I don't even mind kenny anymore) then so be it, can this thread just go away now though? I'm bored of seeing it in my feed