Am I the only person who thinks ANF was much better than season 2???
From what I remember, season 2 was an absolute train-wreck. Yeah, we got to play as Clem. But the fucking shitty ass plot and annoying as shit characters made it so unbearable for me. I thought Javi was really awesome and a refresher to be around, but apparently a lot of people disagree. Yeah, ANF isn't perfect but at least it wasn't the shit pile that season 2 was.
What are your thoughts?
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ANF was definitely worse than Season 2. Here is why:
-We were told lies (Episode 1 was split in two because it was TOO BIG; Biggest season so far; 42 different Clementines in this season; Rewind feature was removed because not a lot of players used it; Watching Carver Dying will have a big impact on Clementine; No one will take a backseat; Season 2 Endings will have a big impact in this season etc.)
-Lack of character development (How am I supposed to care for any of these characters in this game if I don't get a chance to know much more about them? Gabe is a shitbird, Kate is a bitch and David is a fucking selfish asshole)
-Clementine (This season was supposed to be for the new players and they added Clementine in it to draw the old players as well. The new player fanbase isn't EVEN big. Most of the players who played this game are old players. Her new hair makes her look like a lesbian and I'm not okay with that)
-Full of plot holes (Why did Gabe throw me under the bus for shooting Conrad when Gabe is the one who asked Javi to? David said AJ was a burden and said he should have left him out in the woods a week ago but why did he change his mind and keep him? Clementine completely forgets that Javi sided with Conrad to keep her as barganing chip to negotiate with New Frontier)
-Choices don't mean jackshit (You stayed with Kenny/Jane? They dead; You saved Tripp/Ava? They dead; You sided with David all the time? He still tries to kill you out of jealously)
-Lack of gameplay and content (Season 1 featured hubs, puzzles and exploring areas, Season 2 didn't feature hubs and this game is lacking a lot)
I think I preferred it overall. I didnt enjoy the first three episodes much, but it picked up and went on to be more original than I believe season 2 was.
Also the entirety of season 2's story basically focused around kenny, which was great if you liked him, and extremely frustrating if you didn't. I appreciated the sense of freedom that came with an entirely new cast. I do wish clem played a greater role, but I'm satisfied that we'll almost certainly play as her in season 4.
I get where you're coming from. But about Clementine-- didn't TT say we'd only be checking in on her? That's what I remember.
What does that even mean?
no
Like what they implied when they said that was she wouldn't be a major part of it.
Here's the thing I'm talking about.
Well you're not. I love ANF a lot more but I did actually like Season 2.
In fairness, Season 2 had barely any character development beyond a tiny bit for Jane. Choices also were similarly bland and ineffective, and season 2's biggest 'puzzle' was pressing a couple of buttons on a wind turbine, somethign which shouldnt have happened in the first place
Jane sucked. Just my opinion.
Well, that was a mistake.
Doesn't mean they didn't at least attempt to develop her, which is more than can be said for all other characters.
A character isn't only 'developed' if you personally like them.
I liked both ANF and S2. Both games had their flaws (Amid The Ruins and Ties That Bind Part One weren't good episodes) and both games could have been so much better. But I really enjoyed playing them.
I prefer S2. I'm probably in the minority here but I just felt like the characters were better, even with the lack of development. I didn't really care for anyone in ANF.
i think you meant ties that bind Part one and 2 The game only started getting good during Above the law Cause Part 2 of ties that bind was even worse than part 1 i mean why should i care that Francine died? Why should i care about Kate? The only reason i even saved Conrad is because i never kill Determinants unless the game forces them dead or its a ´´Pick one out of two´´ choice.
Yes, you're the only one.
Season 2 had Luke and Kenny for me. (and I liked Sarah)
Season 3 only had Javier that I cared about. (cared about David but ep5 ruined him)
But choices mattered a lot more.
I would say they both excel and fail at some things but Season 3 is worse due to the length hampering character development.
According to a few people here, I'm not. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Don't worry, you're not alone.
Season 2 is quite underrated and undervalued from what I've noticed.
While I can definitely blame the timeskip and Kenny coming back (at all, or maybe just a little too early), or Kenny overshadowing most of the secondary characters; I can still outright say that Season 2 is my favorite season of TWDG series.
Characters were well-written and nicely developed - you have to actually try to read between lines here and there, but it's fine - they are realistic, flawed, have their morals and goals, and have very clear personalities, easy to understand, identify with or attach to.
Although Carver's aspect of the game should've lasted longer, it was still super interesting part of the season, with an opportunity to see a well-functioning community from the inside, to observe the politics and ways of doing things, their rules and guidelines which allowed them to successfully survive a long period of time. Though Carver should've had more backstory, we've still got a charismatic, rational and explicit antagonist who's served a memorable part in Clementine's story and whose performance I absolutely adore (thanks to Michael Madsen's voice acting).
People dislike the way of how Nick and Sarah were handled, but I personally consider it the most realistic and authentic aspect of the game, showing us that not everyone can be a hero and not everyone gets a second chance to fix their mistakes, redeem themselves or change and start over. The apocalyptic world ain't no I-wanna-live-like-this world, it's simply a nightmare and you can be gone in a matter of seconds.
I loved multiple endings (and hated what they evolved into in ANF) and I was never so morally torn between this presumably simple choice, and never felt so much guilt and pain in any other video game. I never felt so helpless before as I was trying to save Luke or never felt so tense/worried when Clem took that bullet. The atmosphere, build-up, climax, the emotions, all of it was done excellently, despite some troubles and the general hype S1 left behind. Hell, I even teared up in one of the endings, and I don't normally cry.
I love this game to bits and it's definietly in my top 5 games.
S2 was longer, had dialogue that actually means what you press, instantly makes it better.
Luke, Nick, Sarah, Kenny, Carlos, and Arvo also technically had some. Really, the problem was more that we didn't really get see the fruit of most of that development really go anywhere.
yes you are the only one who thinks that
I mean, Season 2 is objectively the better product, but now that I really think about it, I don't know if I can answer that from subjective level yet.
If you want me to give ANF credit though, I will say that I believe I liked more characters here than I did on the first playthrough of Season 2, there was more of a bigger inferred scope even if I think they still did a poor job of establishing it, more characters got to shine here in general than the Howe's Russian Ski Cabin Group did with Kenny and Jane around, and I wasn't as dreading of the finale this time.
Those normally aren't really plot holes considering who the characters in question are, but the whole "Life is precious" thing is just out of place to the game in general and probably should've been left on the cutting room floor if they weren't gonna implement it properly.
Regarding Nick and Sarah, I think people had a major problem with it mostly due to how most of the characters seemed very unphased by their deaths.
Luke's reaction to Nick dying is like he stubbed his toe and he quickly gets over it afterwards even though they were supposed to lifelong friends.
The worst offender is Sarah's second death and how everyone immediately forgets about her right when Rebecca has the baby , even Clementine given that Sarah was brutally mauled right in front of her.
It didn't even feel as though they were desentized to it, it just felt like an after thought like Ava's death.
S2 actually felt like The Walking Dead and it actually felt like an actual sequel
Ya honestly I think TWD season one and two are the best telltale games ever BY FAR. I agree, season two is extremely underrated.
Whatever. Only season 1 is canon.
I think it could've been done a little better, and it pissed off more people than it probably should, but then again the group was mentally drained, they were in constant action for the past hours with no food, rest, and no sleep. Everything happened all at once, people dying so fast that it wasn't any time to stop and mourn, not only Sarah and Nick, but also Alvin, Carlos and Sarita. There wasn't a time to think about this, they were focused only on getting out and finding some place for the baby to come. When AJ was born, then everyone finally slowed down. Luke realizes it when the group stops in Ep5 and he's a wreck just thinking about it. The human mind is programmed for survival, so some of them might even not fully realize what happened until that moment.
Yeah, I liked it better than season 2. Love the episodes.
True, though what development did Kenny have? He seemed to end up in about the same place he started, mentally, and little changed from season 1.
Yeah I liked this better than season 2 . But season 1 is still my favorite
I guess he was more willing to talk about his feelings than in Season 1(I don't really remember) and there's also the whole "I'm too dangerous for you to be around anymore" realization.
at least the writing was better. the writing in anf is all over the place and there are plot holes everywhere due to writers changing literally every episode. although nick and sarah were treated very poorly, at least they stay in the game. max, joan, clint, and lonnie were just gotten rid of. they never appeared again, it's just so fucking lazy. i'm pretty sure they're not even brought up in the ep again at all, like what the fuvk
This game is like Resident Evil 6. Both lacked the roots from the previous games.
Honestly, I think it would've been better if Sarah ran off after falling like Molly did and the group just couldn't go after her because of the upcoming weatherchange.
Clem mentions you using her as a bargaining chip when you're in the water tower.
C- So who's gonna do it ? (Go get the generator started)
C- You know you owe me one right ? You let Conrad use me as trade. That wasn't very polite.
J- If it makes us even...
Also on the choices part ANF is waay above S2
That's the only pro about ANF
If..you say so...
Remember the atmosphere?