I too preferred Jane at first bc Kenny seemed like a troublemaker. Then I noticed the bias so strong you can smell coming off the writing. Kenny's inclusion in the season was purely fan service, which was stupid considering Telltale wasted the opportunity to develop Christa and Omid who did f**k all in season 1. They then engineered Kenny to be increasingly erratic and unsympathetic while having Jane whispering in our ears all the while. Jane's comments about people turning on each other, Sarah's weakness, and Kenny all served as prophetic in a sneaky attempt to make us ultimately choose her over Kenny. She also seems to be the reason Luke was killed off and Bonnie and Mike sidelined.
I too preferred Jane at first bc Kenny seemed like a troublemaker. Then I noticed the bias so strong you can smell coming off the writing. K… moreenny's inclusion in the season was purely fan service, which was stupid considering Telltale wasted the opportunity to develop Christa and Omid who did f**k all in season 1. They then engineered Kenny to be increasingly erratic and unsympathetic while having Jane whispering in our ears all the while. Jane's comments about people turning on each other, Sarah's weakness, and Kenny all served as prophetic in a sneaky attempt to make us ultimately choose her over Kenny. She also seems to be the reason Luke was killed off and Bonnie and Mike sidelined.
It makes me realize, especially after she shows remorse in killing Vitali since he never did anything to her, that Jane almost never did anything immoral to people who haven't done her wrong, allot of the immoral acts that tie to her are largely due to Clementine as well (it's Clementine who steals the medicine, lets the family in, chooses Jane over Sarah and leaves Sarah behind too, but no one is going to put blame on precious, innocent Clementine). Personally I think that it shows that Jane is a morally conflicted character.
I love how if I wrote a thread called "Kenny is the worst", my grandchildren would be feeling the retribution from the borderline fanaticism… more that surrounds him - and my grandchildren will likely never even exist -, but if it's about a character like Jane everyone takes great delight in portraying her as some satanic bitch, when I think she's by far the lesser of the two evils. That's not to say I hate Kenny - though I don't exactly like him in season two - but it is saying that, in a nutshell: "Threads like this are the worst."
The issue I have is that saying something opinion based is the worst is a complete contradiction of what 'opinion' means:
Opinion
a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
If it were a case of Jane is the worst, then there wouldn't be as many players that got the Jane ending as there are, as obviously everyone would have seen what a twat she seems to be,… [view original content]
In all honesty, I found the Jane being pregnant plot to feel so forced. Not only does it end up overriding her development in Season 2 but, … morelike many fans have stated, it didn't make sense for her character, a survivor who finally started opening up to people. I felt like it was just for a stupid plot twist after plot twist, I mean, I remember when the idea of Jane being pregnant was just speculation and fan-fiction.
Yeah, you could really feel the bias in favor of Kenny still present in ANF. TTG was basically saying, saving Kenny was the right thing to do because Clementine, Kenny and AJ matches the game's theme of 'family', but I think Jane could've matched that theme the same way. I mean, am I the only one who is still confused about why Clementine suddenly clings to Kenny and saw him as family despite their lack of relationship in the previous season? Don't get me wrong, I really do like Kenny as a character but I hate that his relatio… [view original content]
Jane's positive actions do outweigh her negative ones, even when comparing her to other characters such as Kenny and Clementine, she may hav… moree done less positive things in comparison but she has also done far less negative things in that same comparison.
Yeah, we can't argue with the writers because it's their story, not ours but I will continue to berate them for idiotic plot points and illogical stunts. The writers can tell me I'm wrong all they want but I'm not going to forget:
* In a universe that is meant to follow real world logic, a plank suddenly appeared on top of Sarah.
* A plank only falls if Jane helps Sarah.
* Arvo's group will be waiting in the exact same place regardless of how long Clementine and the group stay at the Observation Deck.
* The group chooses not to go to the town like they originally planned.
* Sarah is the only character to have a definitive death in the same episode she became determinant in.
* The … [view original content]
I love how if I wrote a thread called "Kenny is the worst", my grandchildren would be feeling the retribution from the borderline fanaticism… more that surrounds him - and my grandchildren will likely never even exist -, but if it's about a character like Jane everyone takes great delight in portraying her as some satanic bitch, when I think she's by far the lesser of the two evils. That's not to say I hate Kenny - though I don't exactly like him in season two - but it is saying that, in a nutshell: "Threads like this are the worst."
The issue I have is that saying something opinion based is the worst is a complete contradiction of what 'opinion' means:
Opinion
a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
If it were a case of Jane is the worst, then there wouldn't be as many players that got the Jane ending as there are, as obviously everyone would have seen what a twat she seems to be,… [view original content]
It makes me realize, especially after she shows remorse in killing Vitali since he never did anything to her, that Jane almost never did any… morething immoral to people who haven't done her wrong, allot of the immoral acts that tie to her are largely due to Clementine as well (it's Clementine who steals the medicine, lets the family in, chooses Jane over Sarah and leaves Sarah behind too, but no one is going to put blame on precious, innocent Clementine). Personally I think that it shows that Jane is a morally conflicted character.
There was a pretty damn good (and fairly long) fanfiction that focuses almost exclusively on Clem and Sarah's relationship, and she of cours… moree survives season 2 to be her "luigi" as you said. Called "Young and Young at Heart"
Read it?
I haven't read it yet, but I have visited the guy's(?) blog several times. It's where I got the Immune!Sarah pic and the fact that Sarita is an obvious decomposite of her from.
I probably should read it at some point--another one to add to the list.
Christ, sometimes I really forget what happened to Sarah in the games. When you mentioned Sarah helping Arvo or Jane, it reminds me of how she matured so much in that fanfic. She had so much potential, she did.
Yeah, she did. And it seems that the obvious potential goldmines for interesting storylines are being increasingly ignored.
Jane is almost an iconic contemporary provocateur amongst the fanbase, straddling the line of moral subjectivity. Digging into a deep interwoven act of self-righteous indignation very rarely seen outside of video game narratives.
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I too preferred Jane at first bc Kenny seemed like a troublemaker. Then I noticed the bias so strong you can smell coming off the writing. Kenny's inclusion in the season was purely fan service, which was stupid considering Telltale wasted the opportunity to develop Christa and Omid who did f**k all in season 1. They then engineered Kenny to be increasingly erratic and unsympathetic while having Jane whispering in our ears all the while. Jane's comments about people turning on each other, Sarah's weakness, and Kenny all served as prophetic in a sneaky attempt to make us ultimately choose her over Kenny. She also seems to be the reason Luke was killed off and Bonnie and Mike sidelined.
Yeah, they're both Creator's Pets to be honest.
It makes me realize, especially after she shows remorse in killing Vitali since he never did anything to her, that Jane almost never did anything immoral to people who haven't done her wrong, allot of the immoral acts that tie to her are largely due to Clementine as well (it's Clementine who steals the medicine, lets the family in, chooses Jane over Sarah and leaves Sarah behind too, but no one is going to put blame on precious, innocent Clementine). Personally I think that it shows that Jane is a morally conflicted character.
I agree with you on this wholeheartedly. Everything you detail I can understand truly.
I just wish the fever dream. But of course that's a fool's hope. I'm sorry to feel like I'm losing faith.
Bravo my friend. Bravo.
From one Jane fan to another.
Keep in mind that Jane is the one to suggest those things in the first place. Peer pressure and all that.
i started reading it and while Carlos was a bit bad in episode 1 he s really overexagerating him and Bashing him a lot in the story .
Jane is almost an iconic contemporary provocateur amongst the fanbase, straddling the line of moral subjectivity. Digging into a deep interwoven act of self-righteous indignation very rarely seen outside of video game narratives.
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Nah, she a bitch y'all.
Yeah, but again, you can say that about a fair number of people.