Romance and Sentimental relantionships are facet of Human relantionships, it makes sense for they would at least focus some attention to it: A group preppers who always on a grim mood while sharpening their knives and cooking weasel stew while thinking about nothing more than where the next edible vermin will come from...Is kinda boring
Family ties have been plenty explored with Kenny Lee and, arguably, are contintinued to be explored through Clem and AJ. Getting to know other facets of Clem personality is a welcome developtment
i think im referring more to the entertainment aspect of the game rather than the actual nature of their lives like im just saying that if t… morehey (telltale) make romance too much of a main focus instead of family a lot of people including myself will be disinterested, btw i liked the way they did carley and lee so dont think i just hate romance
i dont think id be a fan of the comics personally if it focused too much on romance and sexual shit thats just me
Not that you are wrong, but I'd just like to point out that most often luck finds its way to the people that seek it actively. I think the important part about Clementine is that's what she is, an instigator, an investigator, a provocateur etc.
You could say "she was lucky to stumble upon Luke and Pete," but you could also say "it's because of her foritude that she wobbled her way as far as she could, into their area."
As you said, they are all elements of survival, but I don't think you can chalk it down to just luck alone. Not with Clementine at least.
You could also chalk it down to being lucky...or well accompanied - and both apply to Clem - as disfunctional as Luke´s Group was, Clem wou… moreld died in that forest without them and she was lucky enough that Pete and Luke were in the Area.
Take whatever advantange you can imagine: Wits, Luck, Company, Weapons and Resources. As sharp as you might be, there will always be something you failed to plan for (as was with the case of Sam), Luck runs out, People die, Weapons break down and Resourced drain.
Its only through a combination of those that you have safe net to keep Death at an arms length. While talking about Clem I dont know if "smart" if the first word that comes to mind: Resourceful and quick to adapt seem more accurate to me.
Ok I just have to point out how flawed your thinking is. In real life there are no assurances that you will marry and everyone will live. Life is about taking chances and trying to survive and be as happy as you can.
It was Juluis Cesar who said than in any conflict Fortune has a great deal influence, and even the slightest factors can influence the end result in unseen ways.
You can say that Clementine fortitude both physical and mental allow to venture that far and the Cabin, but the thing is, both of thsoe traits would been irrelevant if tehre was no one there, here her survival was on a roll of a dice: That there were people there and that were people who were willing to help
There no way in which she could have instigated that. And thats the thing about Survival, some times its only due to daft luck that an outcome is decided
Not that you are wrong, but I'd just like to point out that most often luck finds its way to the people that seek it actively. I think the i… moremportant part about Clementine is that's what she is, an instigator, an investigator, a provocateur etc.
You could say "she was lucky to stumble upon Luke and Pete," but you could also say "it's because of her foritude that she wobbled her way as far as she could, into their area."
As you said, they are all elements of survival, but I don't think you can chalk it down to just luck alone. Not with Clementine at least.
She wouldnt be here if not for her parents, remember? Nor would AJ.
The thing about affection is tht you have to accept vulnerability wi… moreth comes with it. If we only to remain result focus? We care about AJ at all? he already cost her a finger/got Kenny killed.
Clem is not smarter than that. Is just another stupid human being, like the rest of us.
I have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whether Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
It just reminds of Liara from Mass Effect. Liara is forever creepily infatuated with Shepard no matter how much you don't interact with her or don't like her. The narrative forces an invisible bond that the player can't control entirely in comparison to other characters. The game basically told you "she is the intended romance, romance her!". In TFS, it's basically "BOTH of them are for you! romance them!"
I don't know, maybe it's too soon to judge. I want to see what this "friendship" entails in Episode 3 and 4.
I think this thread from the lead writer of episode 2 about the hows and whys of the romances should be included here.
https://www.twitter.com/maryknews/status/1046786746560606213
Well, every single deadbeast parent out tehre might beg to differ but the principle is mostly the same: All relantipships are based of measure of mutually shared trust. All human relantionships are based on that premise.
The difference is that with Romantic relantionships you trust enough someone to expose a side of yourself that others can hurt on an intimate level. And we expect that trust will be reciprocated, this generating an unwritten responsability with other to not hurt that trust
It work for all human relantionships. Every single one of them
Liara could be excused on the premise that she was an Alien, obviously courtship and Romance will be different in Asari culture. But even we were toe xclude that element...What was really the harm? Infatuations happen. Love at first sight is a thing. You could her for being sweet on the man who save her from an army of murder-bots
As for Violet, I agree that she seems to go through the motions a little to far for my taste. But I think it has more to do with the fact that none of them has had any means to learn proper courtship, nor the time to actively engage in it, they are kdis who left on their own for almost half a decade. Anomalous approachs to romance are to be expected...
Louis is a case a apart, he does go through the motions more organicly...and yet people flak him for it: He had every right to angry about the fact that Marlon was gunned down in cold blood but he had to put it in the context of what Marlon did. And so, as we se,, he couldnt be "Really" angry at AJ and Clem.
I have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whethe… morer Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
It just reminds of Liara from Mass Effect. Liara is forever creepily infatuated with Shepard no matter how much you don't interact with her or don't like her. The … [view original content]
Of course, I'm saying romance is something you voluntarily choose to endure, though, more than most interactions with human beings. You choose to feel and it's a very momentary on the whim thing. Raising someone is a utilitarian responsibility that often feels mandatory, hence why most parents aren't deadbeats.
Well, every single deadbeast parent out tehre might beg to differ but the principle is mostly the same: All relantipships are based of measu… morere of mutually shared trust. All human relantionships are based on that premise.
The difference is that with Romantic relantionships you trust enough someone to expose a side of yourself that others can hurt on an intimate level. And we expect that trust will be reciprocated, this generating an unwritten responsability with other to not hurt that trust
It work for all human relantionships. Every single one of them
The harm is that it causes dissonance in the narrative. It's a game first and foremost. If my Shepard rejects Liara or hardly interacts with her, that should be the end of it in terms of the mechanics of the narrative itself moving forward. But literally throughout all the trilogy there's just a constant feeling of Bioware whispering to you "hey she's the default romance, you know that right?" when it came to Liara.
The forced infatuation is lame and only makes sense for people who end up romancing these particular characters anyway. Obviously if you romanced Liara you wouldn't care that she's obsessed with Shepard -- you'd actually find it more enjoyable.
In real life, it's called getting the hint and moving on.
In-game I give Louis flack for being an asshole because I'd like to put myself in Clem's shoes and imagine how would I emotionally feel about someone constantly badgering and blaming for something? If someone is having visceral beef with you, usually you don't try to accommodate them.
Liara could be excused on the premise that she was an Alien, obviously courtship and Romance will be different in Asari culture. But even we… more were toe xclude that element...What was really the harm? Infatuations happen. Love at first sight is a thing. You could her for being sweet on the man who save her from an army of murder-bots
As for Violet, I agree that she seems to go through the motions a little to far for my taste. But I think it has more to do with the fact that none of them has had any means to learn proper courtship, nor the time to actively engage in it, they are kdis who left on their own for almost half a decade. Anomalous approachs to romance are to be expected...
Louis is a case a apart, he does go through the motions more organicly...and yet people flak him for it: He had every right to angry about the fact that Marlon was gunned down in cold blood but he had to put it in the context of what Marlon did. And so, as we se,, he couldnt be "Really" angry at AJ and Clem.
All Human Relationships are the product of a Choice: The difference between blood ties and romantic ties is that there no social or economic pressure to sustain them. Taking the situation into context, CLem had no responsability to raise AJ in the same vein that Lee had no responsability towards her
They both choose, free from whatever pressure could be applied, to taken upon themselves that task.
Of course, I'm saying romance is something you voluntarily choose to endure, though, more than most interactions with human beings. You choo… morese to feel and it's a very momentary on the whim thing. Raising someone is a utilitarian responsibility that often feels mandatory, hence why most parents aren't deadbeats.
Well, Ithought that the Narrative os Mass Effect was about preventing the Return the Reapers. How Liara´s infatuation creates any dissonance with that? Its easy to ignore if you just dont talk to her. And if you just tlak to her, you will have to deal with it, because again: This is socially awkard ALIEN we are talking about. I think we can spare her not knowing about human courtship
As for Louis, you could a case about it if not for a crucial detail: AJ did kill Marlon in cold blood. I guess it all boild down on how you play Clem, but I dont that is something that should be easily shrugged off, its human life thats has been lost forever after all. In the case of louis, the life of his best friend.
I dont one can realistically expect to move on quickly in that scenario.
The harm is that it causes dissonance in the narrative. It's a game first and foremost. If my Shepard rejects Liara or hardly interacts with… more her, that should be the end of it in terms of the mechanics of the narrative itself moving forward. But literally throughout all the trilogy there's just a constant feeling of Bioware whispering to you "hey she's the default romance, you know that right?" when it came to Liara.
The forced infatuation is lame and only makes sense for people who end up romancing these particular characters anyway. Obviously if you romanced Liara you wouldn't care that she's obsessed with Shepard -- you'd actually find it more enjoyable.
In real life, it's called getting the hint and moving on.
In-game I give Louis flack for being an asshole because I'd like to put myself in Clem's shoes and imagine how would I emotionally feel about someone constantly badgering and blaming for something? If someone is having visceral beef with you, usually you don't try to accommodate them.
Because Liara is directly involved with the plot, man. Especially in Mass Effect 3.
Liara is not socially retarded, she's several hundred years old and she's interacted with plenty humans and species by the time the first game ends. It's not an "alien" thing at all. It's her being a writer's pet.
I'm not disagreeing what losing Marlon was like for Louis. He should be biased. It makes sense. I'm saying that doesn't mean my Clem has to take his or Mitch's shit for it.
Well, Ithought that the Narrative os Mass Effect was about preventing the Return the Reapers. How Liara´s infatuation creates any dissonance… more with that? Its easy to ignore if you just dont talk to her. And if you just tlak to her, you will have to deal with it, because again: This is socially awkard ALIEN we are talking about. I think we can spare her not knowing about human courtship
As for Louis, you could a case about it if not for a crucial detail: AJ did kill Marlon in cold blood. I guess it all boild down on how you play Clem, but I dont that is something that should be easily shrugged off, its human life thats has been lost forever after all. In the case of louis, the life of his best friend.
I dont one can realistically expect to move on quickly in that scenario.
both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
To give half of cent on this, I felt the "romance" in general here was kinda tacked in. Not in the sense that it comes out of nowhere, but it just felt like the scenes themselves was kinda of awkward placed and to an extent, executed in the episode.
On Louis's end, despite what some people and initially Telltale say about him, I don't explicitly get "flirty" out of him most of the time. Like sure, he's generally trying to make her feel more lively and can seem just a bit smarmy/provocative on occasion, but he's like that with the other characters as well(try not take that out of context, please). And the scene where he's alone with her in the piano room before going on watch for the Deltas is a little more of the usual and if anything, the "romance" stuff is entirely optional and primarily from her end from what I remember. There's something else attached to that that I don't think I've gotten into yet, but it's not important.
Moving onto Violet, at least on topic, I suppose she does exhibit some degree of affection, but that's partially based in comparison to Louis. A notable trait I've described her with that sorta comes up in Louis, but isn't near as "frequent" or overt is her tendency to be on the sick side, in this case, being...libertine. As the kids say nowadays, she's not all that subtle(or really ashamed) about being thirsty and that Fishing Shack proved more than one thing about her. And in regards to going to the tower thing, I've only tracked it down once, so any details are blank on me, but the general idea seemed to be that she wanted to be alone with her I think. The awkwardness thus forth comes in with the fact that she didn't spend that much time with Clementeen to be so concerned with her or doing much of anything in the episode for that matter.
I have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whethe… morer Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
It just reminds of Liara from Mass Effect. Liara is forever creepily infatuated with Shepard no matter how much you don't interact with her or don't like her. The … [view original content]
Louis is a class clown with the others too but the boyfriend question from the first card game wasn't flirty to you? And the second card game he flirts again, pushing Clem to answer about who she likes.
both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints… more nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
To give half of cent on this, I felt the "romance" in general here was kinda tacked in. Not in the sense that it comes out of nowhere, but it just felt like the scenes themselves was kinda of awkward placed and to an extent, executed in the episode.
On Louis's end, despite what some people and initially Telltale sa… [view original content]
Romance and Sentimental relantionships are facet of Human relantionships, it makes sense for they would at least focus some attention to it… more: A group preppers who always on a grim mood while sharpening their knives and cooking weasel stew while thinking about nothing more than where the next edible vermin will come from...Is kinda boring
Family ties have been plenty explored with Kenny Lee and, arguably, are contintinued to be explored through Clem and AJ. Getting to know other facets of Clem personality is a welcome developtment
have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whether Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
I disagree. The great thing about this scene is, that it's actually pretty vague what they feel until you do the first step. Violet tells Clem how she can't imagine if Clem was gone, which you can interpret in both a romantic or a best friend kind of way.
You choose what it is. If you choose to engage in a romantic relationship, so will Violet. If you want them to be best friends, so will Violet.
I have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whethe… morer Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
It just reminds of Liara from Mass Effect. Liara is forever creepily infatuated with Shepard no matter how much you don't interact with her or don't like her. The … [view original content]
I chose the silent option though. I left Violet hanging.
Interestingly enough, Mary Kenney says that if you choose the silent option your status with them is actually casual friendship.
So apparently there's even a third option they wrote in, and my choice of silence would trigger the status into a casual sense of friendship rather than the super duper best friends status that the friendship dialogue option implies (Mary calls it "BFF") or the romance.
They like you, you're friends, but more casually. Not BFFs or romances.
Again, looking to see how this plays out further. Mary says they're all valid options and they all have their own separate depths and it's not a one-sided thing.
have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whether … moreClem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
I disagree. The great thing about this scene is, that it's actually pretty vague what they feel until you do the first step. Violet tells Clem how she can't imagine if Clem was gone, which you can interpret in both a romantic or a best friend kind of way.
You choose what it is. If you choose to engage in a romantic relationship, so will Violet. If you want them to be best friends, so will Violet.
I keep trying to politely state my opinion that i and many others find shipping and romance gay as fuck but people keep elaborately explaining every philosophical reason why im wrong
You could also chalk it down to being lucky...or well accompanied - and both apply to Clem - as disfunctional as Luke´s Group was, Clem wou… moreld died in that forest without them and she was lucky enough that Pete and Luke were in the Area.
Take whatever advantange you can imagine: Wits, Luck, Company, Weapons and Resources. As sharp as you might be, there will always be something you failed to plan for (as was with the case of Sam), Luck runs out, People die, Weapons break down and Resourced drain.
Its only through a combination of those that you have safe net to keep Death at an arms length. While talking about Clem I dont know if "smart" if the first word that comes to mind: Resourceful and quick to adapt seem more accurate to me.
I keep trying to politely state my opinion that i and many others find shipping and romance gay as fuck but people keep elaborately explaining every philosophical reason why im wrong
Bro ive literally been making several comments actively trying to avoid using that expression and using words like cheesy instead but people dont seem to get what im trying to say and saying my opinion is wrong so i cbf
I keep trying to politely state my opinion that i and many others find shipping and romance gay as fuck but people keep elaborately explaining every philosophical reason why im wrong
I said most of the time.
And even in that first case, he actually betrayed a little hesitance about asking it and Violet is not only the one who pushed him into doing so, but was much more vocallly interested in the answer.
Louis is a class clown with the others too but the boyfriend question from the first card game wasn't flirty to you? And the second card game he flirts again, pushing Clem to answer about who she likes.
I have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whethe… morer Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
It just reminds of Liara from Mass Effect. Liara is forever creepily infatuated with Shepard no matter how much you don't interact with her or don't like her. The … [view original content]
@NexusFire How? There a lot of threads about different stuff than romance.
How long have they generally lasted and how thought out are some of the comments, though?
What kind of character/story arcs and developments are people expecting?
How fleshed out are most of the characters thus far?
Is Telltale's future guaranteed to continue being so thriving?
Do we really give much of a shit anymore?
-Some have are pretty long lived
-Lilly´s nature and ultimate fate, The outcome of the War with Delta. Who will die next. Who will AJ will end up to be, to name a few...
-Enough. More than Alvin or Bree for that matter,
-It thing the current situation should answer that...
-At least on my end yes, I genuily like whats been done here, including the romance: Im tired of angry survivalist plots, I like the chaarcters show some humanity for a change
How did I miss this comment?
@NexusFire How? There a lot of threads about different stuff than romance.
How long have they gen… moreerally lasted and how thought out are some of the comments, though?
What kind of character/story arcs and developments are people expecting?
How fleshed out are most of the characters thus far?
Is Telltale's future guaranteed to continue being so thriving?
Do we really give much of a shit anymore?
Why are you stating your opinion if you are unwilling to have it challenged? It can't surprise you that when you say something that some don't agree with, they're gonna comment back.
I keep trying to politely state my opinion that i and many others find shipping and romance gay as fuck but people keep elaborately explaining every philosophical reason why im wrong
How did I miss this comment?
@NexusFire How? There a lot of threads about different stuff than romance.
How long have they gen… moreerally lasted and how thought out are some of the comments, though?
What kind of character/story arcs and developments are people expecting?
How fleshed out are most of the characters thus far?
Is Telltale's future guaranteed to continue being so thriving?
Do we really give much of a shit anymore?
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Romance and Sentimental relantionships are facet of Human relantionships, it makes sense for they would at least focus some attention to it: A group preppers who always on a grim mood while sharpening their knives and cooking weasel stew while thinking about nothing more than where the next edible vermin will come from...Is kinda boring
Family ties have been plenty explored with Kenny Lee and, arguably, are contintinued to be explored through Clem and AJ. Getting to know other facets of Clem personality is a welcome developtment
It is a new avenue of storytelling for Clem. She only got as far as a crush last time. It is growth, evolution.
Not that you are wrong, but I'd just like to point out that most often luck finds its way to the people that seek it actively. I think the important part about Clementine is that's what she is, an instigator, an investigator, a provocateur etc.
You could say "she was lucky to stumble upon Luke and Pete," but you could also say "it's because of her foritude that she wobbled her way as far as she could, into their area."
As you said, they are all elements of survival, but I don't think you can chalk it down to just luck alone. Not with Clementine at least.
This is TWD, not real life.
It was Juluis Cesar who said than in any conflict Fortune has a great deal influence, and even the slightest factors can influence the end result in unseen ways.
You can say that Clementine fortitude both physical and mental allow to venture that far and the Cabin, but the thing is, both of thsoe traits would been irrelevant if tehre was no one there, here her survival was on a roll of a dice: That there were people there and that were people who were willing to help
There no way in which she could have instigated that. And thats the thing about Survival, some times its only due to daft luck that an outcome is decided
Romance is a totally different set of things than being a parent. Parenting is a responsibility. The former is not.
I have to disagree with Mary on the part of it being the player's control, atleast narratively... While ultimately the player decides whether Clem rejects or not, both Violet and Louis are obviously infatuated with Clem and it's weirdly pressed onto the player.
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
Louis atleast is shown to obviously like Clem from the first episode. But to me it gets unrealistic when the entirety of Episode 2 he wants nothing to do with AJ or Clem. Especially when I played a Savage Clem who continuously him to fuck off. There shouldn't be such an immediate turnaround.
It just reminds of Liara from Mass Effect. Liara is forever creepily infatuated with Shepard no matter how much you don't interact with her or don't like her. The narrative forces an invisible bond that the player can't control entirely in comparison to other characters. The game basically told you "she is the intended romance, romance her!". In TFS, it's basically "BOTH of them are for you! romance them!"
I don't know, maybe it's too soon to judge. I want to see what this "friendship" entails in Episode 3 and 4.
Well, every single deadbeast parent out tehre might beg to differ but the principle is mostly the same: All relantipships are based of measure of mutually shared trust. All human relantionships are based on that premise.
The difference is that with Romantic relantionships you trust enough someone to expose a side of yourself that others can hurt on an intimate level. And we expect that trust will be reciprocated, this generating an unwritten responsability with other to not hurt that trust
It work for all human relantionships. Every single one of them
Liara could be excused on the premise that she was an Alien, obviously courtship and Romance will be different in Asari culture. But even we were toe xclude that element...What was really the harm? Infatuations happen. Love at first sight is a thing. You could her for being sweet on the man who save her from an army of murder-bots
As for Violet, I agree that she seems to go through the motions a little to far for my taste. But I think it has more to do with the fact that none of them has had any means to learn proper courtship, nor the time to actively engage in it, they are kdis who left on their own for almost half a decade. Anomalous approachs to romance are to be expected...
Louis is a case a apart, he does go through the motions more organicly...and yet people flak him for it: He had every right to angry about the fact that Marlon was gunned down in cold blood but he had to put it in the context of what Marlon did. And so, as we se,, he couldnt be "Really" angry at AJ and Clem.
Of course, I'm saying romance is something you voluntarily choose to endure, though, more than most interactions with human beings. You choose to feel and it's a very momentary on the whim thing. Raising someone is a utilitarian responsibility that often feels mandatory, hence why most parents aren't deadbeats.
The harm is that it causes dissonance in the narrative. It's a game first and foremost. If my Shepard rejects Liara or hardly interacts with her, that should be the end of it in terms of the mechanics of the narrative itself moving forward. But literally throughout all the trilogy there's just a constant feeling of Bioware whispering to you "hey she's the default romance, you know that right?" when it came to Liara.
The forced infatuation is lame and only makes sense for people who end up romancing these particular characters anyway. Obviously if you romanced Liara you wouldn't care that she's obsessed with Shepard -- you'd actually find it more enjoyable.
In real life, it's called getting the hint and moving on.
In-game I give Louis flack for being an asshole because I'd like to put myself in Clem's shoes and imagine how would I emotionally feel about someone constantly badgering and blaming for something? If someone is having visceral beef with you, usually you don't try to accommodate them.
All Human Relationships are the product of a Choice: The difference between blood ties and romantic ties is that there no social or economic pressure to sustain them. Taking the situation into context, CLem had no responsability to raise AJ in the same vein that Lee had no responsability towards her
They both choose, free from whatever pressure could be applied, to taken upon themselves that task.
james romance when
Well, Ithought that the Narrative os Mass Effect was about preventing the Return the Reapers. How Liara´s infatuation creates any dissonance with that? Its easy to ignore if you just dont talk to her. And if you just tlak to her, you will have to deal with it, because again: This is socially awkard ALIEN we are talking about. I think we can spare her not knowing about human courtship
As for Louis, you could a case about it if not for a crucial detail: AJ did kill Marlon in cold blood. I guess it all boild down on how you play Clem, but I dont that is something that should be easily shrugged off, its human life thats has been lost forever after all. In the case of louis, the life of his best friend.
I dont one can realistically expect to move on quickly in that scenario.
Because Liara is directly involved with the plot, man. Especially in Mass Effect 3.
Liara is not socially retarded, she's several hundred years old and she's interacted with plenty humans and species by the time the first game ends. It's not an "alien" thing at all. It's her being a writer's pet.
I'm not disagreeing what losing Marlon was like for Louis. He should be biased. It makes sense. I'm saying that doesn't mean my Clem has to take his or Mitch's shit for it.
To give half of cent on this, I felt the "romance" in general here was kinda tacked in. Not in the sense that it comes out of nowhere, but it just felt like the scenes themselves was kinda of awkward placed and to an extent, executed in the episode.
On Louis's end, despite what some people and initially Telltale say about him, I don't explicitly get "flirty" out of him most of the time. Like sure, he's generally trying to make her feel more lively and can seem just a bit smarmy/provocative on occasion, but he's like that with the other characters as well(try not take that out of context, please). And the scene where he's alone with her in the piano room before going on watch for the Deltas is a little more of the usual and if anything, the "romance" stuff is entirely optional and primarily from her end from what I remember. There's something else attached to that that I don't think I've gotten into yet, but it's not important.
Moving onto Violet, at least on topic, I suppose she does exhibit some degree of affection, but that's partially based in comparison to Louis. A notable trait I've described her with that sorta comes up in Louis, but isn't near as "frequent" or overt is her tendency to be on the sick side, in this case, being...libertine. As the kids say nowadays, she's not all that subtle(or really ashamed) about being thirsty and that Fishing Shack proved more than one thing about her. And in regards to going to the tower thing, I've only tracked it down once, so any details are blank on me, but the general idea seemed to be that she wanted to be alone with her I think. The awkwardness thus forth comes in with the fact that she didn't spend that much time with Clementeen to be so concerned with her or doing much of anything in the episode for that matter.
Louis is a class clown with the others too but the boyfriend question from the first card game wasn't flirty to you? And the second card game he flirts again, pushing Clem to answer about who she likes.
well all im saying is this game has come up with plennnnty of interesting plots without touching on romance
guys...ITS A FUCKING GAME chill out
Violet is even weirder since she hints nothing at all in EP1 that she even tolerates Clem but suddenly on the tower she basically confesses her "love" towards Clem and puts her on the proverbial spot. Where did that come from?
I disagree. The great thing about this scene is, that it's actually pretty vague what they feel until you do the first step. Violet tells Clem how she can't imagine if Clem was gone, which you can interpret in both a romantic or a best friend kind of way.
You choose what it is. If you choose to engage in a romantic relationship, so will Violet. If you want them to be best friends, so will Violet.
Hmm...
I chose the silent option though. I left Violet hanging.
Interestingly enough, Mary Kenney says that if you choose the silent option your status with them is actually casual friendship.
So apparently there's even a third option they wrote in, and my choice of silence would trigger the status into a casual sense of friendship rather than the super duper best friends status that the friendship dialogue option implies (Mary calls it "BFF") or the romance.
Again, looking to see how this plays out further. Mary says they're all valid options and they all have their own separate depths and it's not a one-sided thing.
all ships suck and live for the fuckheads in this forum
This forum isn't bad there's actual varied, insightful discussions on here, and the ships are self-contained in one big thread.
The subreddit on reddit is far worse. Sometimes it feels like half of it only exists for the shipping wars and the unhealthy Kenny cult.
I keep trying to politely state my opinion that i and many others find shipping and romance gay as fuck but people keep elaborately explaining every philosophical reason why im wrong
Opinions. I agree with you but it doesnt make you smarter or better than the other people who like this kind of stuff.
so youre basically saying that clem isnt smart ok then
resourceful and quick to adapt is what normal people call smart
"Gay as fuck"
Dude. That's not necessary.
Bro ive literally been making several comments actively trying to avoid using that expression and using words like cheesy instead but people dont seem to get what im trying to say and saying my opinion is wrong so i cbf
buddy, these guys are toxic, nobody can tell them anything
...So, you would call a cokroach smart?
I said most of the time.
And even in that first case, he actually betrayed a little hesitance about asking it and Violet is not only the one who pushed him into doing so, but was much more vocallly interested in the answer.
All ships live for the fuckheads in this forum?
THIS.
Honestly, it would appear that the Romance is literally the only thing people are interested in with this Season[ again].
How? There a lot of threads about different stuff than romance.
And the question is, whats wrong with it trying something new?
How did I miss this comment?
How long have they generally lasted and how thought out are some of the comments, though?
What kind of character/story arcs and developments are people expecting?
How fleshed out are most of the characters thus far?
Is Telltale's future guaranteed to continue being so thriving?
Do we really give much of a shit anymore?
-Some have are pretty long lived
-Lilly´s nature and ultimate fate, The outcome of the War with Delta. Who will die next. Who will AJ will end up to be, to name a few...
-Enough. More than Alvin or Bree for that matter,
-It thing the current situation should answer that...
-At least on my end yes, I genuily like whats been done here, including the romance: Im tired of angry survivalist plots, I like the chaarcters show some humanity for a change
Why are you stating your opinion if you are unwilling to have it challenged? It can't surprise you that when you say something that some don't agree with, they're gonna comment back.
What @Ryousan said.