Clementine...
There has been more than a few posts claiming that Clem was written as an adult. These people seem to forget that this is 2 years into the apocalypse. She had to grow up fast or die. For the majority of the apocalypse she was in very small groups. Hell go to Africa where children or forced into some militias...they have had to grow up. Sure Clem has some of her childhood innocence...that is because she has a strong moral core that keeps her from becoming a Carl. But she is scrappy and because she has watched people like Lee and Jane, and yes even Kenny...she knows how to survive and she knows that not all monsters are walkers. So no...I do not think her writing has been bad, if anything it has been inspired by real world events.
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Let me say before, hand its not my intention to make anyone angry or upset, with my post.
Since i know, allot of people here really like Clementine's character.
I know the situation, in the apacolyps for childeren is diffrent then everyday life, and they have to grow-up faster.
But even under those circumstances, most of the things she did in season 2 where, just really over the top.
Like, the thing with the wind-turbine, why should a child, turn off that thing while there where three aldults, standing next to her.
Also, the escape from Carver's bootcamp, i dont think any adult even under those circumstances, would say.
" Hey, lets lift that little girl, up and break us out of here. "
Its, just really weird, reasoning in my opinion.
If, that roap was able to hold Clementine, it was perfectly fine to not break if for instance, some one like Jane would be the one being lift up.
Also they way, characters interact with her was just completly off. For example Luke is like.
" Hey Clementine, lets cross over a dangerous bridge together, cause i dont trust my best friend to tie his own shoe lays. "
Why in gods name would he even suggest such a dumb thing, he only knows her for a few days, and he wants a Kid.
To cross over a halfbroken walker invested bridge with him.
But anyway, let me make clear i dont want to hate on Clementine, i just want to point out how she in my opinion.
Was being written in a really, unreallistic way.
My main problem with Clementine's writing in Season 2 was the shift between controlling as Lee and then as Clementine, while the narrative fails to make the drastic age change all the more apparent, and instead treats Clementine as if she was a small adult. She performs feats and endures trauma in the later half of Season 2 that makes her strength pushes my willing suspension of disbelief a little too hard.
With the comparison between Clementine and the African child soldiers, we don't actually see Clementine 'evolve' from how she was in Season 1 to how she becomes in Season 2, hence why it feels weird to see someone like Clementine being able to kick down a door, cut a woman's arm off with just two hacks of a hatchet, climb and sneak around the warehouse from the rooftop to help smuggle the radios, survive from falling into a frozen lake, and shrug off a shot from the shoulder from a rifle at close range. She was a typical first grader (in spite of inconsistency) who inexplicably turns into a near-superhuman survivor at the mere age of eleven, in a span of the two years we never see how she transformed from weak into strong.
I'm not an expert with biology, but I understand that all of this happens before Clementine has even hit puberty, which probably means her muscular system is not even properly developed enough to perform those aforementioned feats so easily, and a quick glance from her physique tells me that she's has a small frame and is likely not getting the needed nutrition to help her grow due to how hard it is to find food in the zombie apocalypse, so there's a chance that she's slightly malnourished too.
And then there's how the adults seem to come to her and gives her a task to do several times when they are capable enough to do it themselves, to the point where the entire event reads as an eleven year old girl having single-handedly saves a group of adults (plus another child) from a well guarded community in just two nights. The adults appeared too comfortable with sending an eleven year old girl on dangerous tasks, to the point where the adults comes across as incompetent and unhealthily dependent on a child to do their work.
Even just two years in the apocalypse is not convincing enough to prove to me that Clementine is a hardened survivor, she's still growing and learning, and she should not be able to accomplish as much as a fully grown adult can. Ellie from The Last of Us was more convincing as a child survivor, and she didn't need to have Clementine's strength and resilience to show how she was able to fight off a good number of assailants on her own if she had to, even though she did hit puberty and was clearly older than Clementine by three years.
If Clementine appears in Season 3, I'm hoping that Clementine's more down-to-earth capabilities are taken into consideration, and the narrative takes her age and build into account.
I honestly have no idea. I think people are just unable to comprehend(or simply refuse to) that young children can be so strong, especially when they have to be. Did you know in Thailand 8 year olds(younger than Clem in S2) are professional Muay Thai fighters to provide money for their family? Watch the documentary "Buffalo Girls" if you don't believe me.
The Muay Thai children fighters you mention are trained, whereas Clementine was not shown to receive any kind of physical training.
Besides living in the zombie apocalypse where she would have to learn a lot to survive, they skipped 21 months so you don't know what kind of training or experience she has.
Well, unless we played as Lily glamoured as Clementine for the whole season 2, she was way too unrealistic
Exactly, we don't know what kind of training or experience Clementine has in those 21 months, which is why I found it hard to believe that Clementine was portrayed as more competent than her age would suggest.
Clem and Christa could have easily run into a military guy and he could have taught Clem basic combat, how to handle a gun, etc. On top of the experience she would have to pick up for survival living in the apocalypse with only one other person not even in any sort of protected base/community.
Anyway the point is there is nothing unrealistic about Clementine and the way she is portrayed. If 8 year olds can professionally Muay Thai fight(keep in mind it isn't just skill as fighter, but pain tolerance as well), then an 11 year old can easily do what Clem did.
In what ways?
The way clementine acted and was treated in season 2 was just a bit weird.
I agree that Clem was written way too unrealistic. But taking her away is not the solution. The Season 3 writers will make a different Clem ( in a good way i hope) , as the Season 2 writers made a different Clem from Season 1
She is the reason most of the players play this game. A new main character would make the game " just a guy's story in TWD universe " They have to make Clem more interesting and realistic, that's the point...
No matter what, she shouldn't be able to turn off a wind turbine with three adults surrounding her. Literally, all she said was "I can do it" and Carlos replies with a basic "ok". We all know she matured, still doesn't make sense to me how she was literally told to do everything, when the group consisted of mostly adults. It's also hard to believe that she's supposed to be that same person from season 1.
STOP! she's a best little girl EVER!!!!!
I disagree, hopefully we wont play as her in season 3.
Clementine is an amazing character! Thrust toward you, I think Sam is character not so good, but this is my opinion. Clementine has experienced so many things! You can not expect her to act like her age! Adults exploit her, who saves the day apocalypse are actually children and not adults.
Some situations might have been a littlte over the top but I think it's possible for a kid to be like Clementine. Kids aren't as dumb as the media often portrays them to be, that's for sure. I don't know if any of you have seen the Brazillian gangster movie City of God, but it reminds me of a scene where someone tells a kid he's too young to be in a gang and the kid tells him that he's seen a lot of shit, killed people and that he's more or less a grown man.
Clementine still had a child like charm to her anyway. The hilarious ways you could wind up Luke for example ("you basically had to be carried") and telling Kenny that the name Alvin Jr was original was all pretty childish and light hearted.
Only I see it's the same Clementine? You are a bit blind. Clementine is an amazing and mature for her age because of what she experienced, you really live in the illusion, if you think she should act her age! The beautiful thing about this second season (my favorite season) is a little girl who saved the situation and not stupid adults. They exploit her, the problem that is listening to them ... World Apocalypse is quite different from the reality, there is nothing like a child who can not help just because it is small, everyone helps. Clementine weighs very little and most of the tasks she could do it easily. I only regret that Clementine did not open her eyes while - adults are taking advantage of her to the end. But she amazing wisdom and behavior, so she respects them and their applications. Please do not defame the name of the little girl and perfection. she does all of The Walking Dead, The Walking Dead she, without it nothing! Clementine
(sry for my english)
I wasn't trying, to upset anyone with my post CuteClem.
I was just stating, why i think her character wasn't potrayed realistically.
And you can have, your opinions about Clementine, but you need to accept not everyone sees her the same way as you do.
I for example accept, if you do not like a character i like. We are all allowed to have our own opinions
Or yourself it will certainly be there, how dare you? she just character a masterpiece!
you hate Clem?
Im sure the walking dead would be fine without clementine, shes not that great....
An okay character, sure. But nothing more than that.
No i dont, i hate the way she was written in Season 2, not her character
i don't think like you
I think the problem is not her, but for adults.
Uh... I guess you mean I'm going to play the game? If so, then yes though id prefer not to play as clementine. However I would still play if they (and I think they will) make us play as clementine again
How? Um what? I dont want to play as clementine.
She really isn;t. As an NPC she was a decent character but she was hardly that good or interesting, it was just nice to have a child character that was actually helpful and likeable. In season 2 I had way less attachment to her as the playable character. Id prefer her to go back to an NPC or even not be in the game at all rather than play as her again.
Yes, your right that was one of the biggest problems in S2 like i said in my post, the way the other characters interacted with her in season 2.
Wasn't a reallistic situation,on how adults would treat a child not even in a zombie apocolyps.
It depends on the replacement character. It would have the potential to be better but also the potential to be worse. Michonne for example is definitely not good enough to replace Clementine imo.
Knows what? I understand people like you. Do not like to play as kids, I think this is a special thing and having fun.
I would be happy to play Clem again, her age was a little stretched but she didn't do anything that a 11 year old can't do like flip a switch or even kill a zombie if its only one. The problem is how idiotic all the adults where, literally all of them.
Yes, they took advantage of her ... and of course the tiny listened to them
I think i'm right in saying that a lot of us are more than happy with Clementine having to develop herself and do whatever it takes to survive. Hell, as Lee, I practically taught her that in this world, people do stupid and selfish things all the time and should not ever be totally trusted. My problem was that it seemed that other characters encountered in season 2 were totally dependent on an 11 year old girl when they had to get their hands dirty and... actually survive. Also, she kicked a door in in episode 4. I don't mind the mental side of having to change, but I don't think you can extend that to the necessary muscle growth required to do that successfully, especially in a world where she is probably quite malnourished.
Ok that is a game issue...to give the player something to do. So blame videogame tropes.
chill the fuck out, damn. i love clem, but people like you just make me dislike her.
On the subject of the adults acting or treating her the way they do, again in Thailand adults let their 8 year olds professionally Muay Thai fight. So adults do not always do what is best for the kids and probably more so when it isn't even their kid and Clem has lost her parents.
On the subject of strength/malnourishment. The adults are going to be just as malnourished and thus weak. Most adults probably are in bad shape to begin with and don't have much strength themselves. If you want pure realism the average adult would be in very bad shape and not be able to do much of anything in the apocalypse.
Also, you can nitpick stuff from S1 too, but nobody seems to do that. In S1, why was Clem able to make a head shot after only briefly handling a gun before that? Or drag Lee, a big man, from outside into a building?
No I'm blaming Telltale for not coming up with stuff for us to do, while at the same time make it realistic so we could actually feel like we're playing as a little girl.
so ... STFU
Plz no
How is 2 years not slow?
ok
First of, i should say, that right now, Clementine is the only reason, why i'm Even interested in Season 3. Her Story Arc isn't finished. She WILL Be the Center of the Series until she dies. I'd LOVE to play as a Completely new character with a completely New Story arc, But Not until hers is finished.
So, to Go back to Topic: her writing in S2 was not that Great. Some scenes were Pretty good. But Then we have that kind of Inconsistency. In EP. 1 she had Problems to kill that Walker with a branch but In EP. 5 she kicked a fucking door Open.