I will agree that they should have shown what happened during the 21 months and that would have also made S2 longer, but it wouldn't have made sense for Clem to be exactly the same after that period of time.
If ever there was a reason to defend Clementine's character arc and development is All That Remains. Still my second favorite episode out of the series only topped by the season 1 finale. And she was at her best when she felt like a child left helpless, desperate, and alone in a world we as an audience could barely understand. When I think of Clementine, I don't think about A New Day, Starved for Help, or No Going Back. I always go back to her struggling to stitch and bandage her wound, her being forced to kill a suffering dog she had recently befriended, both the courage and the helplessness made her more relatable than her relation with everyone being that of a guardian.
And that's why All That Remains was easily the best episode this season. You actually felt like a helpless child. She struggled to kill walkers, and she struggled to even run away from them after being bitten by Sam. I felt vulnerable playing as her, which is what made All That Remains so unique.
If ever there was a reason to defend Clementine's character arc and development is All That Remains. Still my second favorite episode out of… more the series only topped by the season 1 finale. And she was at her best when she felt like a child left helpless, desperate, and alone in a world we as an audience could barely understand. When I think of Clementine, I don't think about A New Day, Starved for Help, or No Going Back. I always go back to her struggling to stitch and bandage her wound, her being forced to kill a suffering dog she had recently befriended, both the courage and the helplessness made her more relatable than her relation with everyone being that of a guardian.
And that's why All That Remains was easily the best episode this season. You actually felt like a helpless child. She struggled to kill walk… moreers, and she struggled to even run away from them after being bitten by Sam. I felt vulnerable playing as her, which is what made All That Remains so unique.
Me too! I also loved how she managed to turn off a wind turbine in A House Divided! I also found it amazing how she managed to get the walkie talkies for the WHOLE group in In Harm's Way! God such great episodes!
Me too! I also loved how she managed to turn off a wind turbine in A House Divided! I also found it amazing how she managed to get the walkie talkies for the WHOLE group in In Harm's Way! God such great episodes!
Clementine is an amazing character! Thrust toward you, I think Sam is character not so good, but this is my opinion. Clementine has experien… moreced so many things! You can not expect her to act like her age! Adults exploit her, who saves the day apocalypse are actually children and not adults.
Me too! I also loved how she managed to turn off a wind turbine in A House Divided! I also found it amazing how she managed to get the walkie talkies for the WHOLE group in In Harm's Way! God such great episodes!
Well we can't forget that her Season 2 personality was written by adults with no reference. In Season 1, Clementine was based off the art director's daughter. I just personally think that they wrote her a little too adult like, or even blandly, but still maintained some childish aspects like not knowing what sex is (kissing stuff), the option to give puppy eyes in Episode 1, etc.
What I also think was a little too weird was Bonnie offering Clementine a puff of her cigarette. Alcohol is a little bit more understandable, but smoking? Really?
Clementine is indeed suffering from malnutrition (she weighs 24 or so), she broke her door kicked the door was loose. She was full of dust and compliance. That's why Clementine could break it with her little foot.
I think i'm right in saying that a lot of us are more than happy with Clementine having to develop herself and do whatever it takes to survi… moreve. Hell, as Lee, I practically taught her that in this world, people do stupid and selfish things all the time and should not ever be totally trusted. My problem was that it seemed that other characters encountered in season 2 were totally dependent on an 11 year old girl when they had to get their hands dirty and... actually survive. Also, she kicked a door in in episode 4. I don't mind the mental side of having to change, but I don't think you can extend that to the necessary muscle growth required to do that successfully, especially in a world where she is probably quite malnourished.
To become a Carl she just needs to get shot in the face....
I've always just accepted the things that Clementine does, it's a zombie apocalypse. How do we know how different kids will take it. Some become useless, Such as Sarah (no offense) and others take it in thier stride, Like Clem and Carl. Hell, they'll need to in order to survive.
I would say that going into the apocalypse with strong characters such as Lee & Rick help mould them into who they are in the 'New World'.
Meeting people like Carver and Negan. Also impact them, they know whats out there, they gotta be tough!
First of, i should say, that right now, Clementine is the only reason, why i'm Even interested in Season 3. Her Story Arc isn't finished. Sh… moree WILL Be the Center of the Series until she dies. I'd LOVE to play as a Completely new character with a completely New Story arc, But Not until hers is finished.
So, to Go back to Topic: her writing in S2 was not that Great. Some scenes were Pretty good. But Then we have that kind of Inconsistency. In EP. 1 she had Problems to kill that Walker with a branch but In EP. 5 she kicked a fucking door Open.
I didn't really have a problem with how Clem was written in season 2. As far as I know there hasn't been a zombie apocalypse irl so I can't say she was written unrealistically, the entire premise of the game is unrealistic it's about zombies ffs.
I agree. I want a conclusion to Clementine's story. Ending her story with season 2's finale would be annoying as we don't know what happens to her. In saying that though, the multiple endings to season 2 could prove problematic when considering a starting point for season 3. An immediate conclusion from season 2's ending would be difficult to pull off due to the drastically different endings in S2 but I don't think they should set it too far ahead either, or else it leaves too much untold story. Starting it a few months or up to a year later would be a good idea in my opinion.
First of, i should say, that right now, Clementine is the only reason, why i'm Even interested in Season 3. Her Story Arc isn't finished. Sh… moree WILL Be the Center of the Series until she dies. I'd LOVE to play as a Completely new character with a completely New Story arc, But Not until hers is finished.
So, to Go back to Topic: her writing in S2 was not that Great. Some scenes were Pretty good. But Then we have that kind of Inconsistency. In EP. 1 she had Problems to kill that Walker with a branch but In EP. 5 she kicked a fucking door Open.
I laughed at that part, it was very silly script. Clementine says "I can do it" and they are like "Ok..". surely if no one knew how to do it you wouldn't just be like "hey lets let the 11 year-old work it out.." lol.
I found her dialogue believable for the most part (excluding a few silly moments) however she is a little too mature for her age at times. When I say mature I'm thinking more intellect and sense of humor than simply exhibiting childish behavior. Her social intelligence and level of education is seemingly more on par with a 16 - 18 year-old.
I didn't really have a problem with how Clem was written in season 2. As far as I know there hasn't been a zombie apocalypse irl so I can't say she was written unrealistically, the entire premise of the game is unrealistic it's about zombies ffs.
Well said. I completely agree with everything you wrote. I love the game in general but there are certainly a few "wtf" moments throughout. That plus many of the adult characters behave more childish and helpless than an 11 year-old girl.
I think i'm right in saying that a lot of us are more than happy with Clementine having to develop herself and do whatever it takes to survi… moreve. Hell, as Lee, I practically taught her that in this world, people do stupid and selfish things all the time and should not ever be totally trusted. My problem was that it seemed that other characters encountered in season 2 were totally dependent on an 11 year old girl when they had to get their hands dirty and... actually survive. Also, she kicked a door in in episode 4. I don't mind the mental side of having to change, but I don't think you can extend that to the necessary muscle growth required to do that successfully, especially in a world where she is probably quite malnourished.
You have labeled us the "lovers Clementine" You all right? she is very important, she the star of The Walking Dead. Love minor characters get, it's the most boring thing there. You can love whoever you want, but Clementine it's Clementine and qualitative no more her. This forum is a bit strange, but it is known that most lovers of Walking Dead, like Clementine, some less and some more, but love her very much. So do not tag us in the group that you are few. Maybe if she was 20 you would like her, but that she was a little girl just put it in terms of quality and uniqueness. I thank God, there's several lovers Clementine (as it should be) seems to have gone on, Clementine lovers. If you want an older character, go for other games. The Walking Dead reflects the life of a little girl, and how she deals apocalypse and there is no more beautiful than that. I do not understand how people do not hug her and showered her with love! (I really mean it, but in a pure, do not confuse intelligence) she so small and so brave. It requires a lot of love. She deserves much better, after all experienced ... and you people do not see how the girl has purity. You get "a lot of" likes, because it's a little strange that the forum does not reflect a lot of the fans of The Walking Dead. In conclusion, I say, for me Clementine she The Walking Dead, to honor her.
The reason the Forum exist, is to discuss the Game And it has many members, so there Are many different opinions. And Time goes on. Even in Games. She Cant Be 12 forever. She has to grow up. So Do you.
You have labeled us the "lovers Clementine" You all right? she is very important, she the star of The Walking Dead. Love minor characters ge… moret, it's the most boring thing there. You can love whoever you want, but Clementine it's Clementine and qualitative no more her. This forum is a bit strange, but it is known that most lovers of Walking Dead, like Clementine, some less and some more, but love her very much. So do not tag us in the group that you are few. Maybe if she was 20 you would like her, but that she was a little girl just put it in terms of quality and uniqueness. I thank God, there's several lovers Clementine (as it should be) seems to have gone on, Clementine lovers. If you want an older character, go for other games. The Walking Dead reflects the life of a little girl, and how she deals apocalypse and there is no more beautiful than that. I do not understand how people do not hug her and showered her with love! (I really mean it,… [view original content]
The reason the Forum exist, is to discuss the Game And it has many members, so there Are many different opinions. And Time goes on. Even in Games. She Cant Be 12 forever. She has to grow up. So Do you.
And saying she didn't have any training is also an assumption, see how that works both ways? Christa was trusting enough to join Lee's group, so there you go with even more assumptions. I never said she had more training with a gun that was just one example of what could have happened during the timeskip.
If you ever have an 8 year old girl, you should put her to the test and see if she can kick down a door like Clementine does. I'm sure it'll work out very well ಠ‿↼
If you ever have an 8 year old girl, you should put her to the test and see if she can professionally Muay Thai fight like the 8 year old girls do in Thailand, I'm sure it'll work out very well. Oh and clem is 11 by the way. ಠ‿↼
I don't assume that being an adult automatically makes you smarter than a child, but these 4-5 year olds aren't necessarily smarter than an adult just because of a couple of experiments that makes them perform better than a few college students, as well as many other topics and subjects that they haven't looked into.
Another thing people seem to like the bring up is being an adult automatically makes you smarter. Well have a look at this: http://www.npr.o… morerg/sections/health-shots/2014/06/30/325230618/preschoolers-outsmart-college-students-in-figuring-out-gadgets
Funny, 4-5 year olds are outsmarting college students.
Considering everyone in this thread isn't even providing any kind of sources as to why an 11 year old can't do this or that it is better proof than they have for their side.
That's a little bit of a stretch there.
I don't assume that being an adult automatically makes you smarter than a child, but these 4-5 ye… morear olds aren't necessarily smarter than an adult just because of a couple of experiments that makes them perform better than a few college students, as well as many other topics and subjects that they haven't looked into.
I'd be pretty annoyed if Clem isn't in Season 3 as it would mean my choices at the end of season two didn't matter. Plus it would be interesting on how the first episode of season 3 would start as season 2 had five different endings so I would think season 3 would have 5 different beginnings.
The source you've provided was a group of 4-5 year old children 'figuring out gadgets', which doesn't exactly specify how it relates to Clementine's own intelligence, wisdom, physical strength, and survival skills in a zombie apocalypse.
Considering everyone in this thread isn't even providing any kind of sources as to why an 11 year old can't do this or that it is better proof than they have for their side.
Funny, 4-5 year olds are outsmarting college students.
Wow, no their not. There figuring out some puzzle faster than college kids because the puzzle needs to be approached in a weird way. That doesnt make them smarter whatsoever. Besides clementine is smart thats not the issue, its that she doesnt act like a kid and doesnt get treated like one.
Another thing people seem to like the bring up is being an adult automatically makes you smarter. Well have a look at this: http://www.npr.o… morerg/sections/health-shots/2014/06/30/325230618/preschoolers-outsmart-college-students-in-figuring-out-gadgets
Funny, 4-5 year olds are outsmarting college students.
The Thailand kid argument is still invalid. Just because children have the potential to become martial arts fighters does not mean that it just comes out of nowhere. Clem was an average 8 year old in Season 1, and was suddenly a warrior in Season 2. Not even living in the apocalypse would make you that strong, or maybe especially not, because you're always malnourished, and muscles would build a lot slower. Against the popular belief, working your muscles every day is not good. It will destroy your body in the long run, also the reason why (regular) athletes don't do sports every day. You will face pain, cramps and lasting exhaustion. All this means that life in the apocalypse actually wouldn't be good for your body at all. Running from walkers and fighting them 24/7 would slowly destroy you, and that isn't even with the added malnourishment.
If you want pure realism the average adult would be in very bad shape and not be able to do much of anything in the apocalypse.
The problem is that you seem to forget that 99% of the population are dead or walkers. The ones who weren't fit enough in the beginning of the apocalypse were either lucky to be with someone strong or to live in a safe, well supplied home. The rest of them are dead. That means only the strong enough people are still alive, and the ones who got lucky. Clem is definitley part of the latter, she'd be dead without Lee and, very possibly, Christa later on. Just look at the boy in the attic. That's how Clem would have ended up, and that's what would have and probably did happen to most children.
The truth is that Clementine is only so strong because she's the protagonist.
As for Season 1 not being nitpicked as much, I agree on that. People give it way too much credit and let it pass with many flaws. It's definitley a good game, but it's not as good as people make it out to be. There have been better games before it, there have been better games after it's release and there will better games in the future.
On the subject of the adults acting or treating her the way they do, again in Thailand adults let their 8 year olds professionally Muay Thai… more fight. So adults do not always do what is best for the kids and probably more so when it isn't even their kid and Clem has lost her parents.
On the subject of strength/malnourishment. The adults are going to be just as malnourished and thus weak. Most adults probably are in bad shape to begin with and don't have much strength themselves. If you want pure realism the average adult would be in very bad shape and not be able to do much of anything in the apocalypse.
Also, you can nitpick stuff from S1 too, but nobody seems to do that. In S1, why was Clem able to make a head shot after only briefly handling a gun before that? Or drag Lee, a big man, from outside into a building?
The source you've provided was a group of 4-5 year old children 'figuring out gadgets', which doesn't exactly specify how it relates to Clementine's own intelligence, wisdom, physical strength, and survival skills in a zombie apocalypse.
There figuring out some puzzle faster than college kids because the puzzle needs to be approached in a weird way. That doesnt make them smarter whatsoever.
Yes it does because this can be applied to real world situations such as everyone's favourite "turning off a wind turbine". Also, care to provide some sources for your position?
Besides clementine is smart thats not the issue, its that she doesnt act like a kid and doesnt get treated like one.
I've actually addressed this already, but go ahead and further explain.
Funny, 4-5 year olds are outsmarting college students.
Wow, no their not. There figuring out some puzzle faster than college kids be… morecause the puzzle needs to be approached in a weird way. That doesnt make them smarter whatsoever. Besides clementine is smart thats not the issue, its that she doesnt act like a kid and doesnt get treated like one.
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I will agree that they should have shown what happened during the 21 months and that would have also made S2 longer, but it wouldn't have made sense for Clem to be exactly the same after that period of time.
Get a life. She's awesome. She's a better character than you ever would be as a character
If ever there was a reason to defend Clementine's character arc and development is All That Remains. Still my second favorite episode out of the series only topped by the season 1 finale. And she was at her best when she felt like a child left helpless, desperate, and alone in a world we as an audience could barely understand. When I think of Clementine, I don't think about A New Day, Starved for Help, or No Going Back. I always go back to her struggling to stitch and bandage her wound, her being forced to kill a suffering dog she had recently befriended, both the courage and the helplessness made her more relatable than her relation with everyone being that of a guardian.
And that's why All That Remains was easily the best episode this season. You actually felt like a helpless child. She struggled to kill walkers, and she struggled to even run away from them after being bitten by Sam. I felt vulnerable playing as her, which is what made All That Remains so unique.
All That Remains was a great episode...loved her sewing up her own arm.
Me too! I also loved how she managed to turn off a wind turbine in A House Divided! I also found it amazing how she managed to get the walkie talkies for the WHOLE group in In Harm's Way! God such great episodes!
Glad to hear you loved Season 2.
thanks!
May be just a dirty mind but something tells me pedophila lurks in that comment
Great argument, dude
Technically, you don't 'turn off' a wind turbine, you lock the rotors
Maturity or Over-Maturity I should say and her Strength
Uh, Okay...?
Well we can't forget that her Season 2 personality was written by adults with no reference. In Season 1, Clementine was based off the art director's daughter. I just personally think that they wrote her a little too adult like, or even blandly, but still maintained some childish aspects like not knowing what sex is (kissing stuff), the option to give puppy eyes in Episode 1, etc.
What I also think was a little too weird was Bonnie offering Clementine a puff of her cigarette. Alcohol is a little bit more understandable, but smoking? Really?
Clementine is indeed suffering from malnutrition (she weighs 24 or so), she broke her door kicked the door was loose. She was full of dust and compliance. That's why Clementine could break it with her little foot.
To become a Carl she just needs to get shot in the face....
I've always just accepted the things that Clementine does, it's a zombie apocalypse. How do we know how different kids will take it. Some become useless, Such as Sarah (no offense) and others take it in thier stride, Like Clem and Carl. Hell, they'll need to in order to survive.
I would say that going into the apocalypse with strong characters such as Lee & Rick help mould them into who they are in the 'New World'.
Meeting people like Carver and Negan. Also impact them, they know whats out there, they gotta be tough!
Either way, I don't see how she managed to do it, with three adult already around her.
Tbf doors don't fight back
I didn't really have a problem with how Clem was written in season 2. As far as I know there hasn't been a zombie apocalypse irl so I can't say she was written unrealistically, the entire premise of the game is unrealistic it's about zombies ffs.
The Walker didn't, either.
I agree. I want a conclusion to Clementine's story. Ending her story with season 2's finale would be annoying as we don't know what happens to her. In saying that though, the multiple endings to season 2 could prove problematic when considering a starting point for season 3. An immediate conclusion from season 2's ending would be difficult to pull off due to the drastically different endings in S2 but I don't think they should set it too far ahead either, or else it leaves too much untold story. Starting it a few months or up to a year later would be a good idea in my opinion.
I laughed at that part, it was very silly script. Clementine says "I can do it" and they are like "Ok..". surely if no one knew how to do it you wouldn't just be like "hey lets let the 11 year-old work it out.." lol.
I found her dialogue believable for the most part (excluding a few silly moments) however she is a little too mature for her age at times. When I say mature I'm thinking more intellect and sense of humor than simply exhibiting childish behavior. Her social intelligence and level of education is seemingly more on par with a 16 - 18 year-old.
Well said. I completely agree with everything you wrote. I love the game in general but there are certainly a few "wtf" moments throughout. That plus many of the adult characters behave more childish and helpless than an 11 year-old girl.
You have labeled us the "lovers Clementine" You all right? she is very important, she the star of The Walking Dead. Love minor characters get, it's the most boring thing there. You can love whoever you want, but Clementine it's Clementine and qualitative no more her. This forum is a bit strange, but it is known that most lovers of Walking Dead, like Clementine, some less and some more, but love her very much. So do not tag us in the group that you are few. Maybe if she was 20 you would like her, but that she was a little girl just put it in terms of quality and uniqueness. I thank God, there's several lovers Clementine (as it should be) seems to have gone on, Clementine lovers. If you want an older character, go for other games. The Walking Dead reflects the life of a little girl, and how she deals apocalypse and there is no more beautiful than that. I do not understand how people do not hug her and showered her with love! (I really mean it, but in a pure, do not confuse intelligence) she so small and so brave. It requires a lot of love. She deserves much better, after all experienced ... and you people do not see how the girl has purity. You get "a lot of" likes, because it's a little strange that the forum does not reflect a lot of the fans of The Walking Dead. In conclusion, I say, for me Clementine she The Walking Dead, to honor her.
The reason the Forum exist, is to discuss the Game And it has many members, so there Are many different opinions. And Time goes on. Even in Games. She Cant Be 12 forever. She has to grow up. So Do you.
she's not 12. in S3 she will be 12-13 and this still little.
And saying she didn't have any training is also an assumption, see how that works both ways? Christa was trusting enough to join Lee's group, so there you go with even more assumptions. I never said she had more training with a gun that was just one example of what could have happened during the timeskip.
If you ever have an 8 year old girl, you should put her to the test and see if she can professionally Muay Thai fight like the 8 year old girls do in Thailand, I'm sure it'll work out very well. Oh and clem is 11 by the way. ಠ‿↼
All she needed to do was put a key into a button, turn and push. Not hard at all.
Also maybe have a look at this article: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/06/30/325230618/preschoolers-outsmart-college-students-in-figuring-out-gadgets
Another thing people seem to like the bring up is being an adult automatically makes you smarter. Well have a look at this: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/06/30/325230618/preschoolers-outsmart-college-students-in-figuring-out-gadgets
Funny, 4-5 year olds are outsmarting college students.
That's a little bit of a stretch there.
I don't assume that being an adult automatically makes you smarter than a child, but these 4-5 year olds aren't necessarily smarter than an adult just because of a couple of experiments that makes them perform better than a few college students, as well as many other topics and subjects that they haven't looked into.
Considering everyone in this thread isn't even providing any kind of sources as to why an 11 year old can't do this or that it is better proof than they have for their side.
I'd be pretty annoyed if Clem isn't in Season 3 as it would mean my choices at the end of season two didn't matter. Plus it would be interesting on how the first episode of season 3 would start as season 2 had five different endings so I would think season 3 would have 5 different beginnings.
The source you've provided was a group of 4-5 year old children 'figuring out gadgets', which doesn't exactly specify how it relates to Clementine's own intelligence, wisdom, physical strength, and survival skills in a zombie apocalypse.
Wow, no their not. There figuring out some puzzle faster than college kids because the puzzle needs to be approached in a weird way. That doesnt make them smarter whatsoever. Besides clementine is smart thats not the issue, its that she doesnt act like a kid and doesnt get treated like one.
Why are you so obsessed with her age? Also 13 isnt all that little anymore
The Thailand kid argument is still invalid. Just because children have the potential to become martial arts fighters does not mean that it just comes out of nowhere. Clem was an average 8 year old in Season 1, and was suddenly a warrior in Season 2. Not even living in the apocalypse would make you that strong, or maybe especially not, because you're always malnourished, and muscles would build a lot slower. Against the popular belief, working your muscles every day is not good. It will destroy your body in the long run, also the reason why (regular) athletes don't do sports every day. You will face pain, cramps and lasting exhaustion. All this means that life in the apocalypse actually wouldn't be good for your body at all. Running from walkers and fighting them 24/7 would slowly destroy you, and that isn't even with the added malnourishment.
The problem is that you seem to forget that 99% of the population are dead or walkers. The ones who weren't fit enough in the beginning of the apocalypse were either lucky to be with someone strong or to live in a safe, well supplied home. The rest of them are dead. That means only the strong enough people are still alive, and the ones who got lucky. Clem is definitley part of the latter, she'd be dead without Lee and, very possibly, Christa later on. Just look at the boy in the attic. That's how Clem would have ended up, and that's what would have and probably did happen to most children.
The truth is that Clementine is only so strong because she's the protagonist.
As for Season 1 not being nitpicked as much, I agree on that. People give it way too much credit and let it pass with many flaws. It's definitley a good game, but it's not as good as people make it out to be. There have been better games before it, there have been better games after it's release and there will better games in the future.
Again, where is your source that an 11 year old can't do this or that? You can't just dismiss evidence without providing any of your own.
Yes it does because this can be applied to real world situations such as everyone's favourite "turning off a wind turbine". Also, care to provide some sources for your position?
I've actually addressed this already, but go ahead and further explain.