If you think she's cute that's your problem, not the developers.
I fail to see how Clementine being a cheesy tropey loner dude would make her any more badass?
ur face is a joke. That is what an actual bad on purpose joke is. Nice edits to not let people see what you said in the first place. It was a ironic question as you play as clementine so I could not see why people would hate the own character you play as especially when you have control over the character and what you want it to say. That's what I meant and what I thought anyone including you could understand the easy concept of what I said but apparently not.
I don't see how that fits your argument above - you seemed to be saying that a cute character doesn't fit a zombie apocalypse and a Loner Dude Who Lives in the Wilderness does, rather than talking about relatability?
Unless your two comments were meant to be completely unrelated, in which case my mistake.
it's not about being bad-ass, i wanna be able to relate to a character.
i can't relate to Clem. i could relate to Lee sometimes and Russel from 400 days, though.
I edited my second post cause i saw the meme offended you so i deleted it and it wasn't my intention to upset you and it was abit of a offensive meme aswell looking back on it.
And i edited my last post to add my answer on your question cause you wanted an answer.
And i edit this one right now lol because i forgot to add that, i did understand your question, but it was just abit of a weird thing to ask.
ur face is a joke. That is what an actual bad on purpose joke is. Nice edits to not let people see what you said in the first place. It was … morea ironic question as you play as clementine so I could not see why people would hate the own character you play as especially when you have control over the character and what you want it to say. That's what I meant and what I thought anyone including you could understand the easy concept of what I said but apparently not.
This is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a child for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
I also hope they go back to portraying her as vulnerable not just when it is to her advantage, but even in general. I get that she will be hardened further into the apocalypse, but I feel that they went to far with it in Season 2 to the point to where it felt like she was being written as a hyper competent adult instead of an emotionally vulnerable, down-to-earth child.
While I agree playing as Clementine in season 2 definitely had it's issues, I'm not too opposed to the idea of playing Clementine again. Thi… mores is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a child for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
I hope she'll play a minor role (secondary PC probably). I just don't see the appeal of playing a little girl in the world of TWD. So much difficulties there to write a believable, exciting story that goes beyond 'find someone who protects you'.
I edited my second post cause i saw the meme offended you so i deleted it and it wasn't my intention to upset you and it was abit of a offen… moresive meme aswell looking back on it.
And i edited my last post to add my answer on your question cause you wanted an answer.
And i edit this one right now lol because i forgot to add that, i did understand your question, but it was just abit of a weird thing to ask.
That's why I liked the earlier episodes where you have Clementine taking longer to beat a walker's skull open because of her being less strong than Lee, or being able to crawl into small spaces an adult couldn't fit into. Clem being able to give the sad little girl act to convince Alvin into helping her was really good too; I wished they'd done more of that.
This is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a c… morehild for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
I also hope they go back to portraying her as vulnerable not just when it is to her advantage, but even in general. I get that she will be hardened further into the apocalypse, but I feel that they went to far with it in Season 2 to the point to where it felt like she was being written as a hyper competent adult instead of an emotionally vulnerable, down-to-earth child.
I don't see how that fits your argument above - you seemed to be saying that a cute character doesn't fit a zombie apocalypse and a Loner Du… morede Who Lives in the Wilderness does, rather than talking about relatability?
Unless your two comments were meant to be completely unrelated, in which case my mistake.
Man, that last scene was so sad. I don't think I'll ever be able to get over her death. That moment… so emotional… so many feels… and the knife sound effect in the background was so fitting… She deserves to be honored one last time.
DECEMBER 2016–AUGUST 2017
R.I.P. IN PIECE
THE CLEMENTINE
Edit: Wait, guys! There's a good chance that she's actually alive! Look at this picture below. We have to spread the word, so that everyone knows the truth.
Honestly, if they don't have Clementine in Season 3 then what was the point of the ending in Season 2? If she's not playable or doesn't appear at all, then basically Season 1 and 2 become irrelevant since they primarily focused on Clementine's development and story, I for one would like some consistency in this series, by this I mean playing as the same character for multiple Seasons, also because playing as Clementine would make our choices from the previous two Seasons matter more, but this is just my own personal opinion.
Well, how do you write a believable story about a pre-teen in a zombie apocalypse? Even children and pre-teens are more diverse than the stereotypes people try to make them out to be. Also in terms of the story, I never saw that as Clementine's story personally, I don't remember Clementine ever venturing to find people to protect her but venturing to survive but ends up getting pulled into other survivors' dilemmas.
I hope she'll play a minor role (secondary PC probably). I just don't see the appeal of playing a little girl in the world of TWD. So much difficulties there to write a believable, exciting story that goes beyond 'find someone who protects you'.
So did I to be honest, Season 1 was Lee's story but there's no doubt that a huge portion of his story was primarily about Clementine and her developing in a way that suited her new environment and Season 2 was Clementine's story.
Well that's cool. I'm glad she's coming back for S3 and I'm hoping it's for the role as Clementine. I can't wait for this amazing character to return. I've always believed the TT's The Walking Dead is Clem's story.
Well although I agree that Clementine is cute, it's still subjective, not everyone sees Clementine as just a cute character and nothing else, besides, do you expect there to be no characters you find cute in the zombie apocalypse?
Honestly, I'd rather go for the less cliche option of playing as a youth in the apocalypse than one of the more common story plots in fantasy, adventure and sci-fi stories where the main protagonist is alone, in the wilderness and faces trouble. But that's just my own personal opinion.
if i wanna play a game where the main character is cute, i'd play a fucking Barbie game not a post-apocalyptic WALKING DEAD game.
edit: ^^^… more^^^^ before anymore butthurt occurs this is a joke.
i wanna play as a guy on his own that roams the forests and runs into trouble.
I hope we get our decisions get to affect the way she develops, like instead of just making her vulnerable or competent, why not let that be determined by her previous actions that mold her personality? Like shaping her personality and in turn facing both the benefits and consequences of who she is in the apocalypse.
This is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a c… morehild for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
I also hope they go back to portraying her as vulnerable not just when it is to her advantage, but even in general. I get that she will be hardened further into the apocalypse, but I feel that they went to far with it in Season 2 to the point to where it felt like she was being written as a hyper competent adult instead of an emotionally vulnerable, down-to-earth child.
There's so much more they can do, heck, the fanbase have lots of suggestions for one and Robert Kirkman has come up with allot of cool ideas, such as 'The Whisperers'. But overall, of course the main point of the story is going to be about survival, that's what apocalyptic stories are often about after all, it's also one of the reasons allot of people enjoy it.
Telltale Games presents - "The Walking Dead seson 3 - Clementine vs Batman and Superman: Dawn of Nonsense."
Nobody has a feeling twd has … morebecame repeatable? That Kirkman and Telltale's writers ran out of ideas? First season was a gasoline but few more and only die-hard fans will push this car.
How was her character screwed up? Who dictates what is realistic about a fictional character and what is not when individuals are as diverse as they come?
i'd rather have something cliche' then something that makes no sense and completely shits on logic like:
an eleven year old falling in a frozen lake, getting shot near the heart, surviving a car crash in the middle of a blizzard all while surviving without any medical treatment or care.
Clem puts Superman to shame.
and if you read my last post on here, my clem being cute remark was a JOKE.
Well although I agree that Clementine is cute, it's still subjective, not everyone sees Clementine as just a cute character and nothing else… more, besides, do you expect there to be no characters you find cute in the zombie apocalypse?
Honestly, I'd rather go for the less cliche option of playing as a youth in the apocalypse than one of the more common story plots in fantasy, adventure and sci-fi stories where the main protagonist is alone, in the wilderness and faces trouble. But that's just my own personal opinion.
Believe it or not but a quick google search easily provides evidence that children, even infants, have survived the scenarios you've talked about, I guess these real life survivors make no sense and completely shit on logic as well? Believe it or not but just because people do die in those scenarios(may they rest in peace and find happiness in the afterlife) doesn't mean that no one can survive them or only Teenagers and Adults can survive them. You're practically stating impossibility in your perspective. Oh and in terms of medical treatment and care, Clementine has received treatment and care by her group members and in the scenario where she got shot near the heart, we don't actually know whether any medical aid was given to Clementine whilst she was unconscious so we can only assume.
Do you truly expect everyone on the internet to know what you joke about and what you don't unless you make it obvious by saying it's a joke in that comment. Just as there's no sure way to tell the 'tone' of someone's comment, there's no sure-fire way to tell what they're joking about and what they're serious about.
i'd rather have something cliche' then something that makes no sense and completely shits on logic like:
an eleven year old falling in a … morefrozen lake, getting shot near the heart, surviving a car crash in the middle of a blizzard all while surviving without any medical treatment or care.
Clem puts Superman to shame.
and if you read my last post on here, my clem being cute remark was a JOKE.
I never said you specifically dictated as such, I was trying to make a point that no one can surely say what's realistic about fictional characters and what is not based on their own perspectives. You are allowed to have this view, I never said you couldn't but of course I disagree with you but tell me how are you providing constructive criticism? Unless you're referring to your previous comment when you said "If they can write her in a more realistic way..." That's still not constructive considering you aren't pointing out what you personally perceive as being unrealistic about Clementine's character and providing feedback on what they could do to make her more realistic.
And people act their age? How are people of each age meant to act in this case? Does Clementine have to act like less of an adult just because people feel she needs to be less mature? Sorry but it feels like some people want a child to act the way they perceive a child should act rather than looking at the variables of why she acts the way she does. Borderline robotic? How so? She shows emotion in many scenes throughout the entirety of the Season. Why is that such a bad thing that Clementine knows how to kill walkers better than some adults? Are adults supposed to be better than all children in a zombie apocalypse or something?
Diversity can equal to realism, the human race is so diverse that there are individuals that can perform actions that others in the past and even present deem 'unrealistic' or 'unbelievable'. And what are these 'rules of the universe' you speak of? Even if it was unrealistic to have a child protagonist do allot of these things, what's so wrong with them doing so in a fictional world that isn't meant to follow the 'rules of the universe'?
I really, really don't want her as the protagonist. But if Telltale learns from their past mistakes and Melissa is as amazing as she was in Season 1 and 2 actor wise, I think they could pull it off. As long as they don't make her an invincible badass and portray her as exactly what she is. A pathetic, scared little girl in a world of monsters.
I think we will be able to play Clementine in Season 3, but it will be years later and she will probably be in her teens. I have a feeling she is going to be the one to teach AJ how to survive just as in the same way Lee taught her.
Believe it or not but a quick google search easily provides evidence that children, even infants, have survived the scenarios you've talked … moreabout, I guess these real life survivors make no sense and completely shit on logic as well? Believe it or not but just because people do die in those scenarios(may they rest in peace and find happiness in the afterlife) doesn't mean that no one can survive them or only Teenagers and Adults can survive them. You're practically stating impossibility in your perspective. Oh and in terms of medical treatment and care, Clementine has received treatment and care by her group members and in the scenario where she got shot near the heart, we don't actually know whether any medical aid was given to Clementine whilst she was unconscious so we can only assume.
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Clementine is a cool character bottom line. main characters in a games are super heroes, they have to be or it would be depressing and boring. I would rather be clem who at least isn't a complete cliche of a zombie survivor over some lone wolf style man with a shotgun that would be worse than watching paint dry.
Its funny how much clem can do but all PCs are ridiculous in almost every game so why pick on her and zombie games in general have the most boring PCs
I wasn't angered but sorry if that was the tone you got from my comment, I'm actually calm almost whenever I post comments on this forum.
Sorry for ruining your day, I only meant to point out that it can be realistic, may not exactly be 'common' but the realism can still be present and if it was not your main intent to say it was impossible then I apologize as that is what I thought you were trying to say.
Oh, I'm truly sorry those events happened to you :c and if my comment is the reason you're leaving, I apologize, I didn't mean for it to have that big of an effect but if this is truly your decision, then I hope you enjoy your hiatus? I'm not really sure what to say in this scenario :x
jesus i guess i'll think twice about angering a person on the forums again.
thanks for ruining my day pal.
no need to apologize, eithe… morer.
i admit i was wrong, and i didn't exactly mean it was impossible for someone survive those tragic events, it's just more rather unlikely, i guess?
i mean i survived being hit by a car on my bike and a car crash without any serious injuries, so i guess so.
all in all consider this my possible hiatus for a bit. 4 years and counting on here doesn't mean shit anyway.
nah it's cool. i was in my feelings cause i got owned in this argument. no hard feelings.
the car accident didn't really hurt but the bike one did. i landed in to a ditch and the impact busted both my tires lol. the only main thing that hurt was my neck because the way i landed and the groin because of the bike recoiling i guess would be the word?
I wasn't angered but sorry if that was the tone you got from my comment, I'm actually calm almost whenever I post comments on this forum.
… more Sorry for ruining your day, I only meant to point out that it can be realistic, may not exactly be 'common' but the realism can still be present and if it was not your main intent to say it was impossible then I apologize as that is what I thought you were trying to say.
Oh, I'm truly sorry those events happened to you :c and if my comment is the reason you're leaving, I apologize, I didn't mean for it to have that big of an effect but if this is truly your decision, then I hope you enjoy your hiatus? I'm not really sure what to say in this scenario :x
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LOL!
it's not about being bad-ass, i wanna be able to relate to a character.
i can't relate to Clem. i could relate to Lee sometimes and Russel from 400 days, though.
ur face is a joke. That is what an actual bad on purpose joke is. Nice edits to not let people see what you said in the first place. It was a ironic question as you play as clementine so I could not see why people would hate the own character you play as especially when you have control over the character and what you want it to say. That's what I meant and what I thought anyone including you could understand the easy concept of what I said but apparently not.
I don't see how that fits your argument above - you seemed to be saying that a cute character doesn't fit a zombie apocalypse and a Loner Dude Who Lives in the Wilderness does, rather than talking about relatability?
Unless your two comments were meant to be completely unrelated, in which case my mistake.
I edited my second post cause i saw the meme offended you so i deleted it and it wasn't my intention to upset you and it was abit of a offensive meme aswell looking back on it.
And i edited my last post to add my answer on your question cause you wanted an answer.
And i edit this one right now lol because i forgot to add that, i did understand your question, but it was just abit of a weird thing to ask.
I also hope they go back to portraying her as vulnerable not just when it is to her advantage, but even in general. I get that she will be hardened further into the apocalypse, but I feel that they went to far with it in Season 2 to the point to where it felt like she was being written as a hyper competent adult instead of an emotionally vulnerable, down-to-earth child.
I hope she'll play a minor role (secondary PC probably). I just don't see the appeal of playing a little girl in the world of TWD. So much difficulties there to write a believable, exciting story that goes beyond 'find someone who protects you'.
Ok. And I wasn't asking for opinions on that question. Just telling people it's a little ironic if you actually think about it.
Alright lets, just say we had a bit of a misscommunication
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And again, sorry for the second meme, i have a bad habbit of posting things sometimes, before actually thinking xd
Can you seriously stop?
That's why I liked the earlier episodes where you have Clementine taking longer to beat a walker's skull open because of her being less strong than Lee, or being able to crawl into small spaces an adult couldn't fit into. Clem being able to give the sad little girl act to convince Alvin into helping her was really good too; I wished they'd done more of that.
You just made me hungry ;_; why'd you do that?
my intentions weren't made for them to be related, i just made a joke about clementine and stated what i would like instead.
i dont think this confirms she will be playing Clem. She could voice another character
NO
Man, that last scene was so sad. I don't think I'll ever be able to get over her death. That moment… so emotional… so many feels… and the knife sound effect in the background was so fitting… She deserves to be honored one last time.
DECEMBER 2016–AUGUST 2017
R.I.P. IN PIECE
THE CLEMENTINE
Edit: Wait, guys! There's a good chance that she's actually alive! Look at this picture below. We have to spread the word, so that everyone knows the truth.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It's okay, @CuteClem. Nicholas was on top of her!
Honestly, if they don't have Clementine in Season 3 then what was the point of the ending in Season 2? If she's not playable or doesn't appear at all, then basically Season 1 and 2 become irrelevant since they primarily focused on Clementine's development and story, I for one would like some consistency in this series, by this I mean playing as the same character for multiple Seasons, also because playing as Clementine would make our choices from the previous two Seasons matter more, but this is just my own personal opinion.
Well, how do you write a believable story about a pre-teen in a zombie apocalypse? Even children and pre-teens are more diverse than the stereotypes people try to make them out to be. Also in terms of the story, I never saw that as Clementine's story personally, I don't remember Clementine ever venturing to find people to protect her but venturing to survive but ends up getting pulled into other survivors' dilemmas.
So did I to be honest, Season 1 was Lee's story but there's no doubt that a huge portion of his story was primarily about Clementine and her developing in a way that suited her new environment and Season 2 was Clementine's story.
Persistence
What did you do?
Well although I agree that Clementine is cute, it's still subjective, not everyone sees Clementine as just a cute character and nothing else, besides, do you expect there to be no characters you find cute in the zombie apocalypse?
Honestly, I'd rather go for the less cliche option of playing as a youth in the apocalypse than one of the more common story plots in fantasy, adventure and sci-fi stories where the main protagonist is alone, in the wilderness and faces trouble. But that's just my own personal opinion.
I hope we get our decisions get to affect the way she develops, like instead of just making her vulnerable or competent, why not let that be determined by her previous actions that mold her personality? Like shaping her personality and in turn facing both the benefits and consequences of who she is in the apocalypse.
There's so much more they can do, heck, the fanbase have lots of suggestions for one and Robert Kirkman has come up with allot of cool ideas, such as 'The Whisperers'. But overall, of course the main point of the story is going to be about survival, that's what apocalyptic stories are often about after all, it's also one of the reasons allot of people enjoy it.
How was her character screwed up? Who dictates what is realistic about a fictional character and what is not when individuals are as diverse as they come?
In the end, what is your fate?
You and 36.2% of players were drunk as a cocktail at Donna's party.
You and 32.5% of players were utilized as citrusy salsa for grilled chicken skewers.
You and 18.9% of players were turned into a fancy clementine curd cheesecake.
You and 12.4% of players were left to rot in the wooden box.
Developer's Note: All sentences are in passive form because the Clementine can't do anything herself. It adds to the overall mood of the game.
Better not be the PC.
I hope she is the protagonist
i'd rather have something cliche' then something that makes no sense and completely shits on logic like:
an eleven year old falling in a frozen lake, getting shot near the heart, surviving a car crash in the middle of a blizzard all while surviving without any medical treatment or care.
Clem puts Superman to shame.
and if you read my last post on here, my clem being cute remark was a JOKE.
It's ok, it fell under the dumpster.
...is that still a thing?
Believe it or not but a quick google search easily provides evidence that children, even infants, have survived the scenarios you've talked about, I guess these real life survivors make no sense and completely shit on logic as well? Believe it or not but just because people do die in those scenarios(may they rest in peace and find happiness in the afterlife) doesn't mean that no one can survive them or only Teenagers and Adults can survive them. You're practically stating impossibility in your perspective. Oh and in terms of medical treatment and care, Clementine has received treatment and care by her group members and in the scenario where she got shot near the heart, we don't actually know whether any medical aid was given to Clementine whilst she was unconscious so we can only assume.
Do you truly expect everyone on the internet to know what you joke about and what you don't unless you make it obvious by saying it's a joke in that comment. Just as there's no sure way to tell the 'tone' of someone's comment, there's no sure-fire way to tell what they're joking about and what they're serious about.
I never said you specifically dictated as such, I was trying to make a point that no one can surely say what's realistic about fictional characters and what is not based on their own perspectives. You are allowed to have this view, I never said you couldn't but of course I disagree with you but tell me how are you providing constructive criticism? Unless you're referring to your previous comment when you said "If they can write her in a more realistic way..." That's still not constructive considering you aren't pointing out what you personally perceive as being unrealistic about Clementine's character and providing feedback on what they could do to make her more realistic.
And people act their age? How are people of each age meant to act in this case? Does Clementine have to act like less of an adult just because people feel she needs to be less mature? Sorry but it feels like some people want a child to act the way they perceive a child should act rather than looking at the variables of why she acts the way she does. Borderline robotic? How so? She shows emotion in many scenes throughout the entirety of the Season. Why is that such a bad thing that Clementine knows how to kill walkers better than some adults? Are adults supposed to be better than all children in a zombie apocalypse or something?
Diversity can equal to realism, the human race is so diverse that there are individuals that can perform actions that others in the past and even present deem 'unrealistic' or 'unbelievable'. And what are these 'rules of the universe' you speak of? Even if it was unrealistic to have a child protagonist do allot of these things, what's so wrong with them doing so in a fictional world that isn't meant to follow the 'rules of the universe'?
I really, really don't want her as the protagonist. But if Telltale learns from their past mistakes and Melissa is as amazing as she was in Season 1 and 2 actor wise, I think they could pull it off. As long as they don't make her an invincible badass and portray her as exactly what she is. A pathetic, scared little girl in a world of monsters.
I think we will be able to play Clementine in Season 3, but it will be years later and she will probably be in her teens. I have a feeling she is going to be the one to teach AJ how to survive just as in the same way Lee taught her.
I really hope Clementine returns because something tells me she is going to be needed for the benefit of AJ.
jesus i guess i'll think twice about angering a person on the forums again.
thanks for ruining my day pal.
no need to apologize, either.
i admit i was wrong, and i didn't exactly mean it was impossible for someone survive those tragic events, it's just more rather unlikely, i guess?
i mean i survived being hit by a car on my bike and a car crash without any serious injuries, so i guess so.
all in all consider this my possible hiatus for a bit. 4 years and counting on here doesn't mean shit anyway.
Clementine is a cool character bottom line. main characters in a games are super heroes, they have to be or it would be depressing and boring. I would rather be clem who at least isn't a complete cliche of a zombie survivor over some lone wolf style man with a shotgun that would be worse than watching paint dry.
Its funny how much clem can do but all PCs are ridiculous in almost every game so why pick on her and zombie games in general have the most boring PCs
I wasn't angered but sorry if that was the tone you got from my comment, I'm actually calm almost whenever I post comments on this forum.
Sorry for ruining your day, I only meant to point out that it can be realistic, may not exactly be 'common' but the realism can still be present and if it was not your main intent to say it was impossible then I apologize as that is what I thought you were trying to say.
Oh, I'm truly sorry those events happened to you :c and if my comment is the reason you're leaving, I apologize, I didn't mean for it to have that big of an effect but if this is truly your decision, then I hope you enjoy your hiatus? I'm not really sure what to say in this scenario :x
nah it's cool. i was in my feelings cause i got owned in this argument. no hard feelings.
the car accident didn't really hurt but the bike one did. i landed in to a ditch and the impact busted both my tires lol. the only main thing that hurt was my neck because the way i landed and the groin because of the bike recoiling i guess would be the word?