Really? There was no need for a false and ironic insult first of all. I could point out how stupid you are too not know that I was asking a … morequestion in the first place just because you're stuck in a corner. I was just asking a ironic question as the player is clementine. And you don't need memes too talk for you.
Why don't people hate Clem in S1 too? She made a head shot in one try after only briefly handling a gun before that and dragged a big man from outside into a building. Nobody cares about how unrealistic that stuff is.
I dont hate clementine in season 2. I just find her ridiculous
She made a head shot in one try after only briefly handling a gun before that and dragged a big man from outside into a building. Nobody cares about how unrealistic that stuff is.
I cared. But at the end of the day its a game and its never going to be perfectly accurate. Every amazing headshot the group gets is not realistic but thats just because its a game. The story can be critiqued past that. Also people noted those things in season 1, but they were the more the weirdest things in the whole season, season 2 was full of them.
Why don't people hate Clem in S1 too? She made a head shot in one try after only briefly handling a gun before that and dragged a big man from outside into a building. Nobody cares about how unrealistic that stuff is.
Generally because the audience is more willing to overlook one or two exaggerated or unrealistic moment, so as long as the quality of the story and characters remains consistent and good. But if they see the same exaggerated or unrealistic moment more often, it's starts to damage their willing suspension of disbelief.
Most can forgive Clementine's skill with firearms with just a few practice shots, and her ability to drag an unconscious Lee into a store off-screen, because the majority of the story was reasonably down-to-earth and in good quality at the time.
Why don't people hate Clem in S1 too? She made a head shot in one try after only briefly handling a gun before that and dragged a big man from outside into a building. Nobody cares about how unrealistic that stuff is.
So much of this, @Firewallcano. I dislike it when people make that threat, because everyone knows, including themselves, that they won't actually go out and burn things down—just sob loudly and smash computer keyboards.
Sorry, but I'm not the only one. Is not it strange what I mean, a lot of fans there fatherly feeling for her. Now the trial did not mention the word "little" I just do not understand how people do not showered her with love, that is so cute. It really is not really strange or disturbing, you simply emotional atoms.
I understand you really like Clementine, but can you focus on toning it down a little? There is nothing wrong with liking a character, but the extent to which you talk about Clementine can be a little off-putting to other users.
Telltale Games presents - "The Walking Dead seson 3 - Clementine vs Batman and Superman: Dawn of Nonsense."
Nobody has a feeling twd has … morebecame repeatable? That Kirkman and Telltale's writers ran out of ideas? First season was a gasoline but few more and only die-hard fans will push this car.
Would someone care to explain to me why do people think Clem was badly written in Season 2?
And keep in mind that things like being her the one to turn off the turbine and being able to kick a door are unrealistic but there were other unrealistic things with S1's POV (Lee). No one ever cared that while Lee was doing evrything the other people just... sat?
"Hey Lee! Go get my father's medicine while I sit here, staring at him." (Lilly, Episode 1) "Go do that Lee! I'm also going to stand here looking at the closed door." (Doug, Episode 1)
"We need to get this door open Lee!!! Oh wait, dinner time... Cya!" (Kenny, Episode 2)
"Lee, go get Duck something to drink, I'm too busy doing nothing!" (Katjaa, Episode 3) "We need to get this train working Lee! We'll be here sitting in a log eating Chuck's out of date chocolate if you need us, k?" (Kenny, Episode 3) "Damn it! The train can't go through the gas tank! Why don't you and Clem figure it out while we listen to the beautiful sound of Chuck's guitar." (Kenny, Episode 3)
"We need a code to open the door! Go find one Lee! We'll be looking at the lock waiting for it to magically open while you do so..." (Christa, Episode 4)
"I know you're bitten and missing an arm, but you have to figure out a way to get off this roof. While you do so, I'll stare at the horizon." (Omid (or anybody else), Episode 5)
My point being, Clementine did all that unrealistic stuff in Season2 because she is the POV and yes it is anoying (just as Lee was) but does it really ruin her character?
(And of course if you have any other reasons to think that she was badly written, know that I'm eager to hear them.)
Lots of people appreciate her as a character, but I feel that you take it a bit too far at times to where it feels somewhat off putting sometimes. Lots of people appreciate Clementine as a character, but they don't take it to an extent to where lots of their posts are fixated on one single topic such as Clementine's age. Please try to avoid making so many posts fixated on small issues such as Clementine's age, and try to focus more on finding other things to discuss here.
Sorry, but I'm not the only one. Is not it strange what I mean, a lot of fans there fatherly feeling for her. Now the trial did not mention … morethe word "little" I just do not understand how people do not showered her with love, that is so cute. It really is not really strange or disturbing, you simply emotional atoms.
I didn't dislike Season 2 as much as others did, but I can see the reasoning behind their criticisms - in Season 1, Clementine was more down to earth and vulnerable, as was the story of the game. In Season 2, the story pushed more towards action, and they focused a little too much on making Clem hyper-competent and badass when that wasn't the point of why people liked her character. At times, I feel it came off as over-compensation for her being the playable character, regardless of what happened after the time skip. Season 2 had good moments, but it also missed some of the appeal from Season 1. Season 2 was mostly nihilistic, and in heading that direction, they forgot to include the more down-to-earth and poignant moments from Season 1.
Would someone care to explain to me why do people think Clem was badly written in Season 2?
And keep in mind that things like being her t… morehe one to turn off the turbine and being able to kick a door are unrealistic but there were other unrealistic things with S1's POV (Lee). No one ever cared that while Lee was doing evrything the other people just... sat?
"Hey Lee! Go get my father's medicine while I sit here, staring at him." (Lilly, Episode 1) "Go do that Lee! I'm also going to stand here looking at the closed door." (Doug, Episode 1)
"We need to get this door open Lee!!! Oh wait, dinner time... Cya!" (Kenny, Episode 2)
"Lee, go get Duck something to drink, I'm too busy doing nothing!" (Katjaa, Episode 3) "We need to get this train working Lee! We'll be here sitting in a log eating Chuck's out of date chocolate if you need us, k?" (Kenny, Episode 3) "Damn it! The train can't go through the gas tank! Why don't you and Clem figu… [view original content]
That's fair, I admit that at times they made her look way too badass but I guess it just did not bother me as it did to other people. I still think that it is still a weak reason to want her completely scrapped out of the story as some people want. I mean, if they focused too much in making the main character look badass that may be the writer's fault and not the character itself, what makes you believe that they won't make the same mistake with a new POV?
Anyway, thank you for your time to explain it to me it made things way more clearer.
I didn't dislike Season 2 as much as others did, but I can see the reasoning behind their criticisms - in Season 1, Clementine was more down… more to earth and vulnerable, as was the story of the game. In Season 2, the story pushed more towards action, and they focused a little too much on making Clem hyper-competent and badass when that wasn't the point of why people liked her character. At times, I feel it came off as over-compensation for her being the playable character, regardless of what happened after the time skip. Season 2 had good moments, but it also missed some of the appeal from Season 1. Season 2 was mostly nihilistic, and in heading that direction, they forgot to include the more down-to-earth and poignant moments from Season 1.
So many people are split between Clem being/ not being the protagonist that whichever telltale do people will be upset. I have a horrible feeling that they might end up making season 3 to try and please everyone but actually ends up pleasing no one ( ;-;)
Lots of people appreciate her as a character, but I feel that you take it a bit too far at times to where it feels somewhat off putting some… moretimes. Lots of people appreciate Clementine as a character, but they don't take it to an extent to where lots of their posts are fixated on one single topic such as Clementine's age. Please try to avoid making so many posts fixated on small issues such as Clementine's age, and try to focus more on finding other things to discuss here.
I was just about to edit to mention Christa as most likely besides Clem, but I've always felt if we ever were to take control of Christa that it would had probably been best to make Christa player character throughout S2 since she and Omid pretty much adopted Lee's role as guardian for Clementine. But too late for that now.
Everything Clem experienced with the cabin group, Carver, and russians all play out with Clementine, Christa, and Omid like a small family dealing with the tribulations of season 2. Like if Omid took on Walter's death by the hands of Carver and it had been Kenny's hot headed stubborn fault might had potentially been more shocking to the characters and players since Omid was more known and liked than Walt I suppose. as nobody mentions Walt again except for Carlos while scolding Kenny for rash actions, yet Christa and Kenny would had been at odds for atleast half the season especially as angry as she was with Clementine indirectly getting Omid killed.
Also characters would sort of have that adult taking charge aspect, than helpless child that everyone pushes around easily.
Melissa Hutchinson doesn't HAVE to play Clementine. She could play another character. I mean I doubt she wouldn't be playing Clementine, but I wouldn't automatically assume a character is appearing because their voice actor is in it, for example Cissy Jones plays like 7 characters in the game.
Melissa Hutchinson doesn't HAVE to play Clementine. She could play another character. I mean I doubt she wouldn't be playing Clementine, but… more I wouldn't automatically assume a character is appearing because their voice actor is in it, for example Cissy Jones plays like 7 characters in the game.
This could be just wishful thinking on my part, but she could be doing voice-work for a new character.
Cause, i dont want to see Clementi… morene again, after the writers turned her into a Mary-Sue, which is the best description of what her character became to me.
I myself can't take her serious anymore, neither will i be playing a game where in Clementine is the protagonist.
A Mary Sue is a character that is made out to be perfect, and that they can make no mistakes. Here are a few examples
The adults asked her to do pretty much everything and looked incompetent by relying on Clem for everything (getting the walkie talkie, cutting the cable in episode 4, Luke telling her to do the talking in episode 2
She was able to kick a door down, which looked extremely ridiculous
How did she become a Mary Sue when most people complain about how Season 2 focused too much on Kenny???
Isn't a defining characteristic o… moref a Mary Sue that they're always the centre of attention???
People like throwing around words without realising what they actually mean
While I agree playing as Clementine in season 2 definitely had it's issues, I'm not too opposed to the idea of playing Clementine again. This is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a child for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
While I agree playing as Clementine in season 2 definitely had it's issues, I'm not too opposed to the idea of playing Clementine again. Thi… mores is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a child for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
Really? There was no need for a false and ironic insult first of all. I could point out how stupid you are too not know that I was asking a … morequestion in the first place just because you're stuck in a corner. I was just asking a ironic question as the player is clementine. And you don't need memes too talk for you.
Well i know, what the word Mary-sue means, and there are allot of charactersitics that can make a character a Mary-Sue.
That doesn't mean, she has to be the centre-of attention always, there are allot of reasons why a character can be a Mary-Sue.
Like the points @Shadowhunter94 has said, are definitely Mary-Sue Traits,and i can name a few more myself.
11-year old kids can't turn off wind-turbines.
She is portrayed as being more mature while she is a kid, then the other characters in the game.
When, there is a dangerous situation, other characters ask for her help or opinion, while there is no logical reason for doing that.
How did she become a Mary Sue when most people complain about how Season 2 focused too much on Kenny???
Isn't a defining characteristic o… moref a Mary Sue that they're always the centre of attention???
People like throwing around words without realising what they actually mean
if i wanna play a game where the main character is cute, i'd play a fucking Barbie game not a post-apocalyptic WALKING DEAD game.
edit: ^^^^^^^ before anymore butthurt occurs this is a joke.
i wanna play as a guy on his own that roams the forests and runs into trouble.
if i wanna play a game where the main character is cute, i'd play a fucking Barbie game not a post-apocalyptic WALKING DEAD game.
edit: ^^^… more^^^^ before anymore butthurt occurs this is a joke.
i wanna play as a guy on his own that roams the forests and runs into trouble.
Well that's cool. I'm glad she's coming back for S3 and I'm hoping it's for the role as Clementine. I can't wait for this amazing character to return. I've always believed the TT's The Walking Dead is Clem's story.
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Alright, but i wasn't trying to insult you i was just joking.
And to answer your question, no i dont think players who hate Clementine are hating themselves.
the player isn't Clementine, they only play as her.
Other things made up for that Clem's-Over 9000-Plot-Armour
Through her words she implied that she would return. Don't quote me on that though. No one will know for sure until it releases.
I dont hate clementine in season 2. I just find her ridiculous
I cared. But at the end of the day its a game and its never going to be perfectly accurate. Every amazing headshot the group gets is not realistic but thats just because its a game. The story can be critiqued past that. Also people noted those things in season 1, but they were the more the weirdest things in the whole season, season 2 was full of them.
Christa, Edith or Lilly are my picks for protagonists. Maybe some the 400 Days people.
Generally because the audience is more willing to overlook one or two exaggerated or unrealistic moment, so as long as the quality of the story and characters remains consistent and good. But if they see the same exaggerated or unrealistic moment more often, it's starts to damage their willing suspension of disbelief.
Most can forgive Clementine's skill with firearms with just a few practice shots, and her ability to drag an unconscious Lee into a store off-screen, because the majority of the story was reasonably down-to-earth and in good quality at the time.
So much of this, @Firewallcano. I dislike it when people make that threat, because everyone knows, including themselves, that they won't actually go out and burn things down—just sob loudly and smash computer keyboards.
Sorry, but I'm not the only one. Is not it strange what I mean, a lot of fans there fatherly feeling for her. Now the trial did not mention the word "little" I just do not understand how people do not showered her with love, that is so cute. It really is not really strange or disturbing, you simply emotional atoms.
We all knew Clem was going to be in S3, nothing new. It's just a Question if Clem is going to be the PC ( I Hope so!)
ok
Good point. I like Lilly but there are a lot of people who don't.
How about Molly? Everyone seemed to like her and she survives all outcomes in Crawford.
I already lost interest with TWD. I will check it out when the first episode releases, but I have really, REALLY low expectations.
Would someone care to explain to me why do people think Clem was badly written in Season 2?
And keep in mind that things like being her the one to turn off the turbine and being able to kick a door are unrealistic but there were other unrealistic things with S1's POV (Lee). No one ever cared that while Lee was doing evrything the other people just... sat?
"Hey Lee! Go get my father's medicine while I sit here, staring at him." (Lilly, Episode 1) "Go do that Lee! I'm also going to stand here looking at the closed door." (Doug, Episode 1)
"We need to get this door open Lee!!! Oh wait, dinner time... Cya!" (Kenny, Episode 2)
"Lee, go get Duck something to drink, I'm too busy doing nothing!" (Katjaa, Episode 3) "We need to get this train working Lee! We'll be here sitting in a log eating Chuck's out of date chocolate if you need us, k?" (Kenny, Episode 3) "Damn it! The train can't go through the gas tank! Why don't you and Clem figure it out while we listen to the beautiful sound of Chuck's guitar." (Kenny, Episode 3)
"We need a code to open the door! Go find one Lee! We'll be looking at the lock waiting for it to magically open while you do so..." (Christa, Episode 4)
"I know you're bitten and missing an arm, but you have to figure out a way to get off this roof. While you do so, I'll stare at the horizon." (Omid (or anybody else), Episode 5)
My point being, Clementine did all that unrealistic stuff in Season2 because she is the POV and yes it is anoying (just as Lee was) but does it really ruin her character?
(And of course if you have any other reasons to think that she was badly written, know that I'm eager to hear them.)
Lots of people appreciate her as a character, but I feel that you take it a bit too far at times to where it feels somewhat off putting sometimes. Lots of people appreciate Clementine as a character, but they don't take it to an extent to where lots of their posts are fixated on one single topic such as Clementine's age. Please try to avoid making so many posts fixated on small issues such as Clementine's age, and try to focus more on finding other things to discuss here.
I didn't dislike Season 2 as much as others did, but I can see the reasoning behind their criticisms - in Season 1, Clementine was more down to earth and vulnerable, as was the story of the game. In Season 2, the story pushed more towards action, and they focused a little too much on making Clem hyper-competent and badass when that wasn't the point of why people liked her character. At times, I feel it came off as over-compensation for her being the playable character, regardless of what happened after the time skip. Season 2 had good moments, but it also missed some of the appeal from Season 1. Season 2 was mostly nihilistic, and in heading that direction, they forgot to include the more down-to-earth and poignant moments from Season 1.
That's fair, I admit that at times they made her look way too badass but I guess it just did not bother me as it did to other people. I still think that it is still a weak reason to want her completely scrapped out of the story as some people want. I mean, if they focused too much in making the main character look badass that may be the writer's fault and not the character itself, what makes you believe that they won't make the same mistake with a new POV?
Anyway, thank you for your time to explain it to me it made things way more clearer.
So many people are split between Clem being/ not being the protagonist that whichever telltale do people will be upset. I have a horrible feeling that they might end up making season 3 to try and please everyone but actually ends up pleasing no one ( ;-;)
There are important things than her age
The vast majority are fine with Clem as the protagonist.
If it's worth anything, she doesn't necessarily HAVE to be playing Clementine.
what?
Dragged lmao.
I was just about to edit to mention Christa as most likely besides Clem, but I've always felt if we ever were to take control of Christa that it would had probably been best to make Christa player character throughout S2 since she and Omid pretty much adopted Lee's role as guardian for Clementine. But too late for that now.
Everything Clem experienced with the cabin group, Carver, and russians all play out with Clementine, Christa, and Omid like a small family dealing with the tribulations of season 2. Like if Omid took on Walter's death by the hands of Carver and it had been Kenny's hot headed stubborn fault might had potentially been more shocking to the characters and players since Omid was more known and liked than Walt I suppose. as nobody mentions Walt again except for Carlos while scolding Kenny for rash actions, yet Christa and Kenny would had been at odds for atleast half the season especially as angry as she was with Clementine indirectly getting Omid killed.
Also characters would sort of have that adult taking charge aspect, than helpless child that everyone pushes around easily.
Melissa Hutchinson doesn't HAVE to play Clementine. She could play another character. I mean I doubt she wouldn't be playing Clementine, but I wouldn't automatically assume a character is appearing because their voice actor is in it, for example Cissy Jones plays like 7 characters in the game.
It is clear to me that she will play the Clementine. Its the central character is, she loves it and it will only is The Walking Dead
How did she become a Mary Sue when most people complain about how Season 2 focused too much on Kenny???
Isn't a defining characteristic of a Mary Sue that they're always the centre of attention???
People like throwing around words without realising what they actually mean
A Mary Sue is a character that is made out to be perfect, and that they can make no mistakes. Here are a few examples
The adults asked her to do pretty much everything and looked incompetent by relying on Clem for everything (getting the walkie talkie, cutting the cable in episode 4, Luke telling her to do the talking in episode 2
She was able to kick a door down, which looked extremely ridiculous
Her plot armor
Please do not have her as protagonist again. Playing as her in season 2 sucked
While I agree playing as Clementine in season 2 definitely had it's issues, I'm not too opposed to the idea of playing Clementine again. This is only if the writers learn from the criticisms of the previous season and make it work. For example, using her vulnerabilities as a child for calculated advantage (such as Clem giving puppy dog eyes or blackmailing Rebecca in episode one) as opposed to giving her extreme physical and intellectual competence for a cheap power advantage (the windmill and the entirety of episode 3, 4, and 5). Also, fleshing out clementines non-player-determined personality a little more.
SHE'S SO CUTE.
I cant work out if your being serious or not
Well i know, what the word Mary-sue means, and there are allot of charactersitics that can make a character a Mary-Sue.
That doesn't mean, she has to be the centre-of attention always, there are allot of reasons why a character can be a Mary-Sue.
Like the points @Shadowhunter94 has said, are definitely Mary-Sue Traits,and i can name a few more myself.
11-year old kids can't turn off wind-turbines.
She is portrayed as being more mature while she is a kid, then the other characters in the game.
When, there is a dangerous situation, other characters ask for her help or opinion, while there is no logical reason for doing that.
Me neither, it was such a dumb question in my opinion, so i thought he was joking.
if i wanna play a game where the main character is cute, i'd play a fucking Barbie game not a post-apocalyptic WALKING DEAD game.
edit: ^^^^^^^ before anymore butthurt occurs this is a joke.
i wanna play as a guy on his own that roams the forests and runs into trouble.
i hope she is
clem 4 life
Yuck, david cameron.
If you think she's cute that's your problem, not the developers.
I fail to see how Clementine being a cheesy tropey loner dude would make her any more badass?
Well that's cool. I'm glad she's coming back for S3 and I'm hoping it's for the role as Clementine. I can't wait for this amazing character to return. I've always believed the TT's The Walking Dead is Clem's story.