Clementine vs Ellie
who do you guys is the better survivor Clementine of the walking dead or Ellie of the last of us
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who do you guys is the better survivor Clementine of the walking dead or Ellie of the last of us
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Objectively, Ellie would be the better survivor, by virtue of having survived in her respective apocalypse for longer than Clementine
Clementine's made it 4 years, while Ellie's made it 14 (or whatever her current age is as of TLoU 2)
Ellie has had longer than Clementine to adapt to a hostile environment, and that's without factoring in TLoU's world being even more dangerous (quick-moving infected vs slow-moving zombies)
true plus she can survive the spores and the bite (if need be)
Clem is fucked is even one of those motherfuckers get their teeth on her.
EDIT: Maybe not? Clem has survived on her own way longer than Ellie who lived behind walls most of her life. Clem is also way more down for murder than Ellie but give the TLOU 2 trailer that seems to have changed.
The same person who kills an entire group and then plays the recently deceased victims a soft melody.
Sorry Clem, but killing a guy by accidental weapon discharge just isn't as cool as vowing the entire slaughter of an unknown group.
Ellie, plus she's immune so she has a lower risk of dying.
true but she has been bit before but clem never got bit
Considering The Last of Us, since The Last of Us 2 isnt out yet, so we dont know about that, we can assume that Ellie has been living under the protection of the fireflies for most of her life, so she might not have the field experience Clem has, but at the same time, there seems to be more threatening zombies in The Last of Us, but there is way fewer of them.
I'd say Clem probably would be better, considering she knows stuff like food procurement and other survival stuff, dunno if Ellie knows that stuff.
Clem has also now been surviving on her own for 2 years, and she is 13, when Ellie was 14, I dont think she has been alone in the apocalypse, since I am gonna assume that she has been under the protection of the Fireflies
Although, Ellie is immune to the infection, so she has an advantage there, but not being immune probably makes you more careful I dunno
But Clem isn't immune, if that's what you're implying. There's literally a 0% chance of it. It would go against every rule Kirkman set up with TWD's zombies.
Factoring in games that are out already this one goes to Clementine for me.
She is thrust into a post apocalyptic world at the age of 8 whilst Ellie lived quite sheltered behind walls for 14 years of her life, already this would be more mentally challenging to Clementine, she's had her parents to lose, and quite a few other important people to her so the feeling of loss effected her at a much younger age, meaning she's had to persevere physically and mentally, granted Ellie never had parents but she never experienced what having a parent figure was like before Joel so it obviously didn't effect her as much... Compare 13 year old Clem to 14 year old Ellie... Ellie is very charismatic throughout most of the game whilst Clementine is just very distant, hardened and aggressive and she's a year younger... she's lost more and has been through more... Clementine began to kill and face off against multiple infected and bandits at a much younger age then Ellie, not to mention she's able to handle sewing up her own arm at the age of 11, incredibly badass :P
Ellie has been in the apocalypse longer, but she's also been under protection in a fairly sizable community much longer, one of the main Fireflies was a personal friend of her mother IIRC. She is immune, since we find this out when she's bitten during one of the few times she's been without protection lol. She's still plenty capable thanks to Joel, but put on their own at close to the same age I don't think she survives as long. Being immune protects her against the spores, but they won't stop at one bite. Later stages of infection also renders the host blind, a horde of them would be more deadly but with her sheltered life I'm not sure she'd be as capable as far as the end of the first game goes.
Clearly Clem. Clem was never bit (I know Ellie is immune) and Ellie was. Say Ellie wasn't immune? She would've died and turned AND she lived in that world for what? 13 or 14 years at the time? That's not survival imo - she got lucky that she's immune, otherwise she would be dead.
Clem would be tougher than Ellie if we are talking about ANF Clem and pre Last of Us Ellie. By the time Ellie had traveled across country with Joel though there is little doubt she had become far tougher than Clem.
Last of Us 2 Ellie would have Clem for breakfast lunch and dinner.
They aren't trying to make Clem as tough as Ellie anyways. They are trying to turn Clem into a survivor who is able to maintain a certain portion of her humanity. While at the same time the development of Ellie is that of one who starts out as a sweet girl and slowly loses all her humanity to the point where she is basically a psychopath going around killing people just because she feels like killing people.
Ellie was born during the apocalypse and survived 19 years (I think that's her age in TLOU 2). She easily survived an apocalypse worse than TWD apocalypse. And Clementine survived only 4 years only for her companions to die fast and easy. So I think Ellie is a better survivor.
I don't think Ellie is a murderer, so far all she's done has been in self-defense.
Clem wins in a fist fight.
Ellie is probably the better survivor.
I would also give Ellie the edge in a shooting competition.
Ok this is sorta a stupid argument. First off in TWD they do tend to keep things more or less realistic...not a lot of ammo...starvation...gangs...and while both girls have plot armor...you have to admit that it is believable that Clem could have survived her situations...but some of the shit they put Ellie and Joel through..please...that is adventure movie type of survival.
And comparing the 2 apocalypses? How can you?
They are 2 likable characters in 2 likable game franchises.
Not to mention she's immune...
I like them both but I'm going with Clementine.
To me she's more impressive because she wasn't born into an apocalypse - she had to adapt. Ellie has a tough life but this is all she's ever known, she didn't have parties or happy family bbqs to enjoy, this was her whole life. Clementine did and in the span of a few days, she lost it all and was thrown into a world that she had no idea how it worked. She had to work really hard to put an innocence she had been allowed to have aside and grow up far too fast for someone her age.
Just my personal opinion.
Remember that time an infant survived birth with almost no help from anyone other than a former father, no medication, extremely harsh cold environment, zero stabilized conditions, and a myriad of other haphazard things? But turned out to be healthier than a horse, not even an umbilical cord?
Or when Clementine fell into a frozen lake and only had to sit, all her clothes on, and just wait it out... rub her hands to together and viola! Good as new?
What about that realistic thing about Carlos being shot and then everyone screaming in the middle of a walker heard... and not one walker noticing because of the sheer realism?
And don't get me started on how realistic A New Frontier has so far been.
The Walking Dead is so far removed from any realism, it somehow makes a game where a little teen can take a steel pipe to the face (which is canonically written in after Joel falls on the rebar) look far more realistic than a game where a pre-teen can Batman-jump on some asshole like Assassin's Creed.
As for gangs, starvation, and ammo... these are all things TLoU addressed in great detail. Hell, the main crux of the game is that ammo is constantly scarce so I don't know what you're talking about honestly.
My avatar gives away my answer. Ellie. She grew up in a world already gone to shit. She doesn't know what the old world is like. That's just one reason. I could go on & on, but I don't think ppl really care that much.
I thought Marlene raised her?
If that's what they're doing, that's a damn shame!
Actually, you can see everyone defending themselves from attacking walkers for precisely that reason--even Jane.
What are you referencing here?
And this right here is an excellent reason to think that. Great point!
Kenny, Clementine, and Mike were arguing for a good solid 45-90 seconds with hundreds of walkers literally feet away and not one gave a shit because a moment needed to be forci- I mean realistically put to meet the scenario.
Clementine jumping on Carver's head while he was left alone with several people only 4 feet away and giving his diabolic speech about being evil.
Thank you!
I wish more people could just come to this conclusion
I like Clementine. I like Ellie.
I like TWD. I like TLoU.
I'd rather not pit one against the other and try to figure out which one is better. I'd rather just say they're both great and leave it at that.
Have you seen Ellie take care of herself AND Joel (who was mortally wounded btw) during the winter? This isn't even close to a fair comparison.
Can we also talk about how Joel shouldn't have survived this, especially if you look out how much blood he was apparently losing
Like, the first time I played it, I was like "that is an alarming amount of blood he's losing, I wonder how he'll walk away from this"
Then he quite literally walks away from it
And apparently all he needed were stitches and some antibiotics, and not a blood transfusion or some shit
I mean, look at the shot when Ellie's climbing down to him, he's practically in a pond of his own blood, and that was like what, 10 seconds afterwards?
...Yet somehow it's still more believable and convincing than a game where a girl is shot in the shoulder and just magically heals herself by rotating her arm a bit after waking up to find idiot 1 and idiot 2 arguing.
I don't know, man
I personally think they're equally ridiculous
Well, Mike was mostly just fighting off walkers, but I agree.
Oh. Well, what did you expect from that?
That's not how most fans work, Mr. Deltino.
Something where the leader who is feared by his subordinates doesn't sit still alone in a room with a child ninja running loose screaming and standing idle just waiting to be Riddick'd.
WTF how could you guys believe Ellie is better than Clementine. I think Clementine is mature and now she can take care of herself and after all she pass...is amazing.My opinion is Clem is better.she is awesome.I really love her.Rise and Shine guys
Don't know who Riddick is, but fair enough.
Well, by Carver and Jane's "logic," Ellie being born into the apocalypse in a community where youth are trained in self-defense makes her inherently strong.
However, Clementine adapting to it does say more about her personal resolve.
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This scene alone made Ellie the most badass female character of all time imo
Mmm, true. Clementine hasn't had to take someone one in a physical confrontation yet, as far as I remember.
She didn't even need Joel to escape David's town.