To be fair, Jane did threaten his sister by wanting to take the medicine regardless, threaten him before she left him leave, and sent him off without his gun, which meant he had to hobble quite a ways defenseless. Also, he was actually among those who didn't want the shootout to happen, as he clearly starts arguing with Buricko when the baby is pointed out and it is Clementine/Kenny/Kenny that fires the first shot.
I hate the guy. I told Jane not to steal from Arvos and then this prick tells his buddies that I did steal from him. That pissed me off to n… moreo avail plus he endangers the group with a shootout and gets Luke's leg shot. And then he's acting like it's our fault that his sister died. Fuck him, I want him dead right center.
For the sake of telling a cohesive story that would keep the founding elements relevant, that would've been the best choice. At the very least, have Tavia come after the group during the last two episodes for vengeance or whatever.
Arvo should never have been introduced.
Episodes 4 and 5 of S2 should have been about escaping Howe's, being pursued, a battle between the two groups and the final choice about watching Carver die.
Hence one of the main reasons why I lost interest in seeing him return. Unlike Jane and especially Kenny, he was a major element of Season 2.5 that was woefully underutilized despite his alleged importance and overrated reputation. If you're not gonna do anything useful with him after you create a updated model, then don't bring him back at all.
So if someone is trying to kill you, you will stop and ask them "Why are you trying to kill me ?" Lol. I hate arguing over this subject. It was bad writing from TT, period. The main view from me is that he nearly got many people killed over nothing. There is no in depth reason that you are speaking of. If someone tried to kill you and some if your family, you wouldn't say "That's the simplistic view."
Sadly, I don't think he's coming back and that's because he was weak. He's a fucking coward who should've never made it as far as he did. He's a little bitch who probably went out like the little fucking coward that he is. If he does come back, I'll kill him at the moment's notice and without hesitation.
The situation around Arvo and his group ambushing Clementine's group is not as simple as Arvo wanting to kill everyone. There's no concrete evidence that supports that Arvo had wanted many people killed over nothing, just assumptions.
It's easy to assume that Arvo wanted to have Clementine and her friends killed, but considering that Arvo himself is never given the opportunity to fully explain himself to everyone over his own involvement during the ambush, as well as what kind of affiliation he had with his own group, how can we even judge how guilty he is if we don't even know what his crimes are?
All we know is that he explains to his group that he was robbed by Jane (and determinantly Clementine), considering that she never returns the gun she stole from him, leaving him defenseless while he returns back to his crew. After that, he acts as the interpreter and shows little to no signs of being considered the main responsibility of his own group. After his entire group is killed, Arvo is then taken hostage and routinely beaten without simply being asked who was responsible for the ambush to begin with and why he was seen trying to hide a bag of drugs from his own group.
But from what we're being told, Arvo is guilty simply because he's the only one left alive in his group that had ambushed us, which makes him an easy scapegoat for people like Kenny. To some, this is just not enough justification for some of us to see Arvo being held hostage and routinely beaten against his will as deserving.
If anything, it makes Arvo becoming a villain in the finale come across as cheap and forced.
So if someone is trying to kill you, you will stop and ask them "Why are you trying to kill me ?" Lol. I hate arguing over this subject. It … morewas bad writing from TT, period. The main view from me is that he nearly got many people killed over nothing. There is no in depth reason that you are speaking of. If someone tried to kill you and some if your family, you wouldn't say "That's the simplistic view."
*drops mic.
For everybody's information, Jason Latino confirmed that Arvo was in the process of escaping from Buricko and Vitali when he stumbled upon our group, and the ambush had not been previously planned by anybody. Buricko appears to have had the big idea of robbing us only after he found us pointing our guns at Arvo.
The situation around Arvo and his group ambushing Clementine's group is not as simple as Arvo wanting to kill everyone. There's no concrete … moreevidence that supports that Arvo had wanted many people killed over nothing, just assumptions.
It's easy to assume that Arvo wanted to have Clementine and her friends killed, but considering that Arvo himself is never given the opportunity to fully explain himself to everyone over his own involvement during the ambush, as well as what kind of affiliation he had with his own group, how can we even judge how guilty he is if we don't even know what his crimes are?
All we know is that he explains to his group that he was robbed by Jane (and determinantly Clementine), considering that she never returns the gun she stole from him, leaving him defenseless while he returns back to his crew. After that, he acts as the interpreter and shows little to no signs of being considered the main responsibility of his… [view original content]
Arvo's group was speaking Russian and they were racist against Americans. Their language basically was mocking the group and one was saying that Arvo was weak for getting robbed by a girl and a woman.
It reminds me of two movies, one is Juice which starred Tupac. A group of friends rob a store, it goes wrong and one of them kills the owner of the store. The friends put themselves in a bad situation and it was their fault what had happened.
The other movie is Saw were John kidnaps people and puts them in life or death situations. If they die, he blames it on them, though he was the one that put them there in the first place.
Arvo's group was most likely bullies due to the Russian that I know showed them to be hostile and used to gun altercations. They could have been thieves themselves. The right thing to do would be to approach the situation as Matthew did on the bridge with backup being hidden in the woods. Ambushing them and making it a Mexican standoff was Arvo and his group's fault.
The situation around Arvo and his group ambushing Clementine's group is not as simple as Arvo wanting to kill everyone. There's no concrete … moreevidence that supports that Arvo had wanted many people killed over nothing, just assumptions.
It's easy to assume that Arvo wanted to have Clementine and her friends killed, but considering that Arvo himself is never given the opportunity to fully explain himself to everyone over his own involvement during the ambush, as well as what kind of affiliation he had with his own group, how can we even judge how guilty he is if we don't even know what his crimes are?
All we know is that he explains to his group that he was robbed by Jane (and determinantly Clementine), considering that she never returns the gun she stole from him, leaving him defenseless while he returns back to his crew. After that, he acts as the interpreter and shows little to no signs of being considered the main responsibility of his… [view original content]
Arvo's group was speaking Russian and they were racist against Americans. Their language basically was mocking the group and one was saying … morethat Arvo was weak for getting robbed by a girl and a woman.
It reminds me of two movies, one is Juice which starred Tupac. A group of friends rob a store, it goes wrong and one of them kills the owner of the store. The friends put themselves in a bad situation and it was their fault what had happened.
The other movie is Saw were John kidnaps people and puts them in life or death situations. If they die, he blames it on them, though he was the one that put them there in the first place.
Arvo's group was most likely bullies due to the Russian that I know showed them to be hostile and used to gun altercations. They could have been thieves themselves. The right thing to do would be to approach the situation as Matthew did on the bridge with backup being hidden in the woods. Ambushing them and making it a Mexican standoff was Arvo and his group's fault.
Well, honestly, that just sounds ridiculous, don't you think?
If the ambush was never planned afterward, then why does Arvo ask Buricko what they should take, why does he seem completely unimpressed when Buricko, Vitali, and Natasha come out of the woods, why do we see him smirking and even sounding slightly satisfied when he says "but you... you're Clementine!".
It raises so many questions. Was he running away from his sister as well? Did he just assume Buricko was there to rob our group and decided that he should act as mediator? Well, why didn't he ask for help? Why did he tell what was happening when we determinately offer help? Why does he decide to stall us by asking for bandages in that scenario? Why wasn't there any hint of this in the actual game?
If you want my honest opinion on this, it just seems that they decided to give one side of the argument absolute confirmation that they're right, out of the blue.
One possible scenario was that they caught Arvo shortly before he meeting with our group, and, in a form of letting him redeem himself from running away, they force him to stall our group enough for them to circle us and ambush us, but that whole ambush just being the Russian group and Arvo somehow winging it perfectly is just ridiculous.
And by the way, no one has ever a gun pointed at Arvo before Buricko arrives.
For everybody's information, Jason Latino confirmed that Arvo was in the process of escaping from Buricko and Vitali when he stumbled upon o… moreur group, and the ambush had not been previously planned by anybody. Buricko appears to have had the big idea of robbing us only after he found us pointing our guns at Arvo.
Actually a great story arc would have been the leader of Arvo's group to have walked up to Clem's group with Arvo and Arvo would have said "That's the girl that was with the woman that stole my supplies." The leader would have been smoking a cigarette and asked "Were is this woman ?" Clem would say "I don't know, she left". The man would make a frown and say "That's a shame. My daughter is very sick and I do not like my son being pushed around." Then he kneels down to put out his cigarette, then pulls out a gun and grabs Clem. Kenny says "Put her down ***hole or I'll ****ing end you, you're outnumbered." The man says "Foolish Americans are always arrogant and attack what they don't see. You are the ones that are outnumbered." Then his men come out of the woods a little. The man says "This is what is going to happen. My son says that the woman showed interest in this little girl. We are going to take her back to our stronghold. She has two days to show herself, if she does not return what she has stolen from us, then there will be severe consequences." Luke and Kenny plead that they be taken instead, yet the man says "My decision is final. If I were you I'd find that woman immediately, the clock is ticking." Then Clem is carried off to Arvo's camp. Arvo talks to Clem and you get to understand him more. Jane sees Clem being carried off, talks to the group, and forms a plan. A plan is made that night. The group goes to Arvo's and a deal is made, "Throw the bag over the fence, if any is missing, your little girl won't look so pretty anymore." Thankfully none is and Clem is let go. The man says "If I see any of you again, I won't be so generous. Leave now."
I did it again guys. You need to stop defending bad writing. That all would have been more interesting than the bs that we got for the most part in episode 5 and characters would have lived. Luke, Bonnie and Mike eventually get separated from the group and in the heat of the moment were walkers are everywhere you have to decide to go with Kenny or Jane. You choose one and the other escapes and is AWOL from the rest of the season which leads us to Wellington.
The situation around Arvo and his group ambushing Clementine's group is not as simple as Arvo wanting to kill everyone. There's no concrete … moreevidence that supports that Arvo had wanted many people killed over nothing, just assumptions.
It's easy to assume that Arvo wanted to have Clementine and her friends killed, but considering that Arvo himself is never given the opportunity to fully explain himself to everyone over his own involvement during the ambush, as well as what kind of affiliation he had with his own group, how can we even judge how guilty he is if we don't even know what his crimes are?
All we know is that he explains to his group that he was robbed by Jane (and determinantly Clementine), considering that she never returns the gun she stole from him, leaving him defenseless while he returns back to his crew. After that, he acts as the interpreter and shows little to no signs of being considered the main responsibility of his… [view original content]
I don't think we'll see any of them and personally don't care haha
Their persona is over and should stay like that . No need to bring anyone back anymore (Unless it's Kenny as a Ghost just killing zombies n shizz )
That just doesn't make sense honestly. Arvo knew exactly what their group's plan was when he approached Clementine's group. No one drew on Arvo until his friends came out of the bushes. And if it was Buricko's idea, then I think this train of thought was prompted by Arvo saying he was robbed, this was a lie in many people's playthroughs.
This sounds legitimately interesting. Actually, the concepts of Clementine being captured and the Russians being more of a group of survivors than the quirky miniboss squad would've been the better use for how they were in the game. Though Buricko smoking makes me think of both GTA IV and Space Jam, for some reason.
Actually a great story arc would have been the leader of Arvo's group to have walked up to Clem's group with Arvo and Arvo would have said "… moreThat's the girl that was with the woman that stole my supplies." The leader would have been smoking a cigarette and asked "Were is this woman ?" Clem would say "I don't know, she left". The man would make a frown and say "That's a shame. My daughter is very sick and I do not like my son being pushed around." Then he kneels down to put out his cigarette, then pulls out a gun and grabs Clem. Kenny says "Put her down ***hole or I'll ****ing end you, you're outnumbered." The man says "Foolish Americans are always arrogant and attack what they don't see. You are the ones that are outnumbered." Then his men come out of the woods a little. The man says "This is what is going to happen. My son says that the woman showed interest in this little girl. We are going to take her back to our stronghold. She has two day… [view original content]
Actually, the ambush itself was planned--its the robbing part that was on the spot. Arvo was clearly acting as a half-hearted distraction and Natasha confirms with him that they were the group that attacked him before Buricko tells him to get them to surrender so they can take what they want.
If the ambush was never planned afterward, then why does Arvo ask Buricko what they should take, why does he seem completely unimpressed when Buricko, Vitali, and Natasha come out of the woods, why do we see him smirking and even sounding slightly satisfied when he says "but you... you're Clementine!".
Because the ambush itself was technically planned--it's the robbery that was on the spot. Arvo only says that if you robbed him or possibly if you tell Luke and Kenny he might be mad at her in general.
Was he running away from his sister as well?
He wasn't. He was most likely getting things set up so they can get away from the other two with as little straggling as possible.
Did he just assume Buricko was there to rob our group and decided that he should act as mediator?
Actually, it's pretty obvious even without translation that Buricko was telling him he wants to rob the group then and there. Translations have Vitali and Natasha show some uncertainty about why they're not cooperating because they only know so much english themselves.
Why does he decide to stall us by asking for bandages in that scenario?
Because it was an ambush. They had already discussed finding the people who attacked him by that point, as demonstrated by Natasha, Buricko, and Vitali's initial reactions to seeing them up close.
One possible scenario was that they caught Arvo shortly before he meeting with our group, and, in a form of letting him redeem himself from running away, they force him to stall our group enough for them to circle us and ambush us
That was a pretty safe assumption without looking into it further, since Arvo clearly has scruples about actually robbing the group despite seemingly being fine with punishing them. Really though, Natasha has a line where she tells Arvo to just get the medicine back so they can go, so Buricko was just being a greedy, pragmatic dick at that point.
Well, honestly, that just sounds ridiculous, don't you think?
If the ambush was never planned afterward, then why does Arvo ask Buricko w… morehat they should take, why does he seem completely unimpressed when Buricko, Vitali, and Natasha come out of the woods, why do we see him smirking and even sounding slightly satisfied when he says "but you... you're Clementine!".
It raises so many questions. Was he running away from his sister as well? Did he just assume Buricko was there to rob our group and decided that he should act as mediator? Well, why didn't he ask for help? Why did he tell what was happening when we determinately offer help? Why does he decide to stall us by asking for bandages in that scenario? Why wasn't there any hint of this in the actual game?
If you want my honest opinion on this, it just seems that they decided to give one side of the argument absolute confirmation that they're right, out of the blue.
One possible s… [view original content]
This sounds legitimately interesting. Actually, the concepts of Clementine being captured and the Russians being more of a group of survivor… mores than the quirky miniboss squad would've been the better use for how they were in the game. Though Buricko smoking makes me think of both GTA IV and Space Jam, for some reason.
Everybody here who's slamming Arvo was most likely nice to him, leading to the giant middle finger they got at the end of the season. Kinda makes me laugh.
Obviously, stealing the medicine was wrong, but he still screws you over anyway. Anybody who was nice to him after that deserved to get fucked over.
Arvo knew exactly what their group's plan was when he approached Clementine's group.
It is possible that they'd discussed robbing us, but I truly believe that Arvo was in the middle of something different at that point—which is hiding supplies so that he and his sister could leave the group in the upcoming days. @DabigRG has a great piece on this above.
No one drew on Arvo until his friends came out of the bushes.
I'm not sure what Jason Latino meant, but perhaps it was that our group had firearms drawn out in his direction, even if not directly at him. It is a little confusing.
And if it was Buricko's idea, then I think this train of thought was prompted by Arvo saying he was robbed, this was a lie in many people's playthroughs.
I'd suspect that Arvo told Buricko that a woman took his gun, and the latter interpreted that as being "robbed," taking it as an excuse to rob us afterwards. Obviously, we have to include the medicine in the playthroughs in which that happened.
That just doesn't make sense honestly. Arvo knew exactly what their group's plan was when he approached Clementine's group. No one drew on A… morervo until his friends came out of the bushes. And if it was Buricko's idea, then I think this train of thought was prompted by Arvo saying he was robbed, this was a lie in many people's playthroughs.
To me, Arvo shooting Clementine was one response to the treatment he had while he was taken hostage by Kenny, and another response of how he was lead to believe that a little girl shot his wounded and defenseless sister dead, while never being told that Natasha was already dead to begin with.
There was no diabolical plan of Arvo screwing anybody over, just a human reaction of how being treat like a ticking time bomb and being routinely bound and beaten over and over until Arvo snapped and lashed out.
To me, Arvo shooting Clementine was one response to the treatment he had while he was taken hostage by Kenny, and another response of how he… more was lead to believe that a little girl shot his wounded and defenseless sister dead, while never being told that Natasha was already dead to begin with.
There was no diabolical plan of Arvo screwing anybody over, just a human reaction of how being treat like a ticking time bomb and being routinely bound and beaten over and over until Arvo snapped and lashed out.
Then, if that is true, it all starts making even less sense.
From what I've gathered: Arvo who was in the process of running away from his group, got caught by Buricko, Vitali and Natasha. As a mean to redeem himself, they make him stall our group long enough for them to circle us, making the perfect ambush.
But here's the problem. If robbing wasn't the motive being the ambush in the first place, then what was? They specifically waited until they were able to surround us before showing up. And they had guns pointed at our faces. If their intention beforehand wasn't robbing us, then it was certainly to kill us. Which would make Buricko actually the "good guy" who decided that they should show mercy and just rob us instead - which sounds ridiculous.
There had to be a motivation behind the ambush in the first place after all!
Anyways, this was very clearly something that they decided to make canon post-production. Otherwise, why wouldn't there be hints of Arvo being on the run from the Russians in the actual game?
If the ambush was never planned afterward, then why does Arvo ask Buricko what they should take, why does he seem completely unimpressed whe… moren Buricko, Vitali, and Natasha come out of the woods, why do we see him smirking and even sounding slightly satisfied when he says "but you... you're Clementine!".
Because the ambush itself was technically planned--it's the robbery that was on the spot. Arvo only says that if you robbed him or possibly if you tell Luke and Kenny he might be mad at her in general.
Was he running away from his sister as well?
He wasn't. He was most likely getting things set up so they can get away from the other two with as little straggling as possible.
Did he just assume Buricko was there to rob our group and decided that he should act as mediator?
Actually, it's pretty obvious even without translation that Buricko was telling him he wants to rob the group then and there. Translations h… [view original content]
I'm gonna chalk it all up to bad writing. What you're saying is probably what the writers intended as we were supposed to feel sympathy toward him. They conveyed his character poorly and this led to mass misunderstanding of him. The problem here is that his actions are conflicting and we can only speculate in order to have them correlate. I hope he stays gone, I want to leave that debacle in the past.
Arvo knew exactly what their group's plan was when he approached Clementine's group.
It is possible that they'd discussed robbing us… more, but I truly believe that Arvo was in the middle of something different at that point—which is hiding supplies so that he and his sister could leave the group in the upcoming days. @DabigRG has a great piece on this above.
No one drew on Arvo until his friends came out of the bushes.
I'm not sure what Jason Latino meant, but perhaps it was that our group had firearms drawn out in his direction, even if not directly at him. It is a little confusing.
And if it was Buricko's idea, then I think this train of thought was prompted by Arvo saying he was robbed, this was a lie in many people's playthroughs.
I'd suspect that Arvo told Buricko that a woman took his gun, and the latter interpreted that as being "robbed," taking it as an excuse to rob us afterwards. Obviously, we have to include the medicine in the playthroughs in which that happened.
The only way of truly understanding his perspective is reconsidering the events of the season altogether. But effective narratives shouldn't expect players—some of which don't have the time, interest or capacity—to do this.
I'm gonna chalk it all up to bad writing. What you're saying is probably what the writers intended as we were supposed to feel sympathy towa… morerd him. They conveyed his character poorly and this led to mass misunderstanding of him. The problem here is that his actions are conflicting and we can only speculate in order to have them correlate. I hope he stays gone, I want to leave that debacle in the past.
What you're saying is probably what the writers intended as we were supposed to feel sympathy toward him. That was probably the point they were trying to make but conveyed it poorly.
I believe that it was conveyed poorly because the writers had railroaded the events so that Arvo shoots Clementine no matter what, in order to justify Kenny's violent behavior and tempt the audience to take his side due to being in the right for his treatment of Arvo. Bonnie and Mike showed sympathy for Arvo, and in an out-of-character fashion, the end up stealing everyone's supplies to run off with Arvo in the middle of the night, and we're supposed to feel even more tempted to side with Kenny after their betrayal.
The player can also sympathize with Arvo's predicament and recognize his hatred towards Clementine due to his assumption that she murdered her wounded and defenseless sister during the shootout, but there is no option to speak to Arvo and make it clear that Clementine had only shot his reanimated sister who was about to kill her. The game even stops you from talking to Arvo during the campfire if you've spoken to Kenny and Jane beforehand, as approaching Arvo to speak with him just cuts to the scene as if Clementine just goes straight back to the group, ignoring Arvo.
If anything, I felt that the writers had wanted to punish players for not siding with Kenny in the first place, as regardless of the outcome, Arvo shoots Clementine under the belief that she murdered her sister and that she was going to stop Arvo from getting away from Kenny.
I'm gonna chalk it all up to bad writing. What you're saying is probably what the writers intended as we were supposed to feel sympathy towa… morerd him. They conveyed his character poorly and this led to mass misunderstanding of him. The problem here is that his actions are conflicting and we can only speculate in order to have them correlate. I hope he stays gone, I want to leave that debacle in the past.
Well after that experience with Stranger after I stole the food from his car I decided not stealing it this time yet he still said I stole it that little piece of shit. Besides we got tons of water at the museum anyway.
Yeah the choice to steal medicine was overshadowing of the Stranger and car from S1. I'm surprised that Clem makes no mention of that in S2. That's why I stayed away from the medicine.
Well after that experience with Stranger after I stole the food from his car I decided not stealing it this time yet he still said I stole it that little piece of shit. Besides we got tons of water at the museum anyway.
Yeah and the gun shot would have woken Kenny up for sure. It's possible that Kenny might have shot Arvo at this point and forced Mike to run away. We really don't know cause after Clem is shot, the screen goes black, we see a flashback of Lee in the RV, and a few hours later we wake up in the truck to see Kenny and Jane arguing.
I think "[punishing] players for not siding with Kenny" is a little dramatic, it could be because the writers for episodes 4 and 5 differed. Maybe originally he was to have another role and possibly even die. A flip like this would definitely cause a rift in motivations and roles.
What you're saying is probably what the writers intended as we were supposed to feel sympathy toward him. That was probably the point they w… moreere trying to make but conveyed it poorly.
I believe that it was conveyed poorly because the writers had railroaded the events so that Arvo shoots Clementine no matter what, in order to justify Kenny's violent behavior and tempt the audience to take his side due to being in the right for his treatment of Arvo. Bonnie and Mike showed sympathy for Arvo, and in an out-of-character fashion, the end up stealing everyone's supplies to run off with Arvo in the middle of the night, and we're supposed to feel even more tempted to side with Kenny after their betrayal.
The player can also sympathize with Arvo's predicament and recognize his hatred towards Clementine due to his assumption that she murdered her wounded and defenseless sister during the shootout, but there is no option to speak to Arvo and m… [view original content]
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I bet he means Arvo. I mean damn, Arvo's behavior IS pretty disgusting.
To be fair, Jane did threaten his sister by wanting to take the medicine regardless, threaten him before she left him leave, and sent him off without his gun, which meant he had to hobble quite a ways defenseless. Also, he was actually among those who didn't want the shootout to happen, as he clearly starts arguing with Buricko when the baby is pointed out and it is Clementine/Kenny/Kenny that fires the first shot.
For the sake of telling a cohesive story that would keep the founding elements relevant, that would've been the best choice. At the very least, have Tavia come after the group during the last two episodes for vengeance or whatever.
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Hence one of the main reasons why I lost interest in seeing him return. Unlike Jane and especially Kenny, he was a major element of Season 2.5 that was woefully underutilized despite his alleged importance and overrated reputation. If you're not gonna do anything useful with him after you create a updated model, then don't bring him back at all.
I don't think so, but if he does he'll be done in seconds. No torture or anything like that, he'll just be there one second and not the next.
So if someone is trying to kill you, you will stop and ask them "Why are you trying to kill me ?" Lol. I hate arguing over this subject. It was bad writing from TT, period. The main view from me is that he nearly got many people killed over nothing. There is no in depth reason that you are speaking of. If someone tried to kill you and some if your family, you wouldn't say "That's the simplistic view."
*drops mic.
Sadly, I don't think he's coming back and that's because he was weak. He's a fucking coward who should've never made it as far as he did. He's a little bitch who probably went out like the little fucking coward that he is. If he does come back, I'll kill him at the moment's notice and without hesitation.
The situation around Arvo and his group ambushing Clementine's group is not as simple as Arvo wanting to kill everyone. There's no concrete evidence that supports that Arvo had wanted many people killed over nothing, just assumptions.
It's easy to assume that Arvo wanted to have Clementine and her friends killed, but considering that Arvo himself is never given the opportunity to fully explain himself to everyone over his own involvement during the ambush, as well as what kind of affiliation he had with his own group, how can we even judge how guilty he is if we don't even know what his crimes are?
All we know is that he explains to his group that he was robbed by Jane (and determinantly Clementine), considering that she never returns the gun she stole from him, leaving him defenseless while he returns back to his crew. After that, he acts as the interpreter and shows little to no signs of being considered the main responsibility of his own group. After his entire group is killed, Arvo is then taken hostage and routinely beaten without simply being asked who was responsible for the ambush to begin with and why he was seen trying to hide a bag of drugs from his own group.
But from what we're being told, Arvo is guilty simply because he's the only one left alive in his group that had ambushed us, which makes him an easy scapegoat for people like Kenny. To some, this is just not enough justification for some of us to see Arvo being held hostage and routinely beaten against his will as deserving.
If anything, it makes Arvo becoming a villain in the finale come across as cheap and forced.
For everybody's information, Jason Latino confirmed that Arvo was in the process of escaping from Buricko and Vitali when he stumbled upon our group, and the ambush had not been previously planned by anybody. Buricko appears to have had the big idea of robbing us only after he found us pointing our guns at Arvo.
Arvo's group was speaking Russian and they were racist against Americans. Their language basically was mocking the group and one was saying that Arvo was weak for getting robbed by a girl and a woman.
It reminds me of two movies, one is Juice which starred Tupac. A group of friends rob a store, it goes wrong and one of them kills the owner of the store. The friends put themselves in a bad situation and it was their fault what had happened.
The other movie is Saw were John kidnaps people and puts them in life or death situations. If they die, he blames it on them, though he was the one that put them there in the first place.
Arvo's group was most likely bullies due to the Russian that I know showed them to be hostile and used to gun altercations. They could have been thieves themselves. The right thing to do would be to approach the situation as Matthew did on the bridge with backup being hidden in the woods. Ambushing them and making it a Mexican standoff was Arvo and his group's fault.
The ambush hadn't been planned!
Well, honestly, that just sounds ridiculous, don't you think?
If the ambush was never planned afterward, then why does Arvo ask Buricko what they should take, why does he seem completely unimpressed when Buricko, Vitali, and Natasha come out of the woods, why do we see him smirking and even sounding slightly satisfied when he says "but you... you're Clementine!".
It raises so many questions. Was he running away from his sister as well? Did he just assume Buricko was there to rob our group and decided that he should act as mediator? Well, why didn't he ask for help? Why did he tell what was happening when we determinately offer help? Why does he decide to stall us by asking for bandages in that scenario? Why wasn't there any hint of this in the actual game?
If you want my honest opinion on this, it just seems that they decided to give one side of the argument absolute confirmation that they're right, out of the blue.
One possible scenario was that they caught Arvo shortly before he meeting with our group, and, in a form of letting him redeem himself from running away, they force him to stall our group enough for them to circle us and ambush us, but that whole ambush just being the Russian group and Arvo somehow winging it perfectly is just ridiculous.
And by the way, no one has ever a gun pointed at Arvo before Buricko arrives.
Actually a great story arc would have been the leader of Arvo's group to have walked up to Clem's group with Arvo and Arvo would have said "That's the girl that was with the woman that stole my supplies." The leader would have been smoking a cigarette and asked "Were is this woman ?" Clem would say "I don't know, she left". The man would make a frown and say "That's a shame. My daughter is very sick and I do not like my son being pushed around." Then he kneels down to put out his cigarette, then pulls out a gun and grabs Clem. Kenny says "Put her down ***hole or I'll ****ing end you, you're outnumbered." The man says "Foolish Americans are always arrogant and attack what they don't see. You are the ones that are outnumbered." Then his men come out of the woods a little. The man says "This is what is going to happen. My son says that the woman showed interest in this little girl. We are going to take her back to our stronghold. She has two days to show herself, if she does not return what she has stolen from us, then there will be severe consequences." Luke and Kenny plead that they be taken instead, yet the man says "My decision is final. If I were you I'd find that woman immediately, the clock is ticking." Then Clem is carried off to Arvo's camp. Arvo talks to Clem and you get to understand him more. Jane sees Clem being carried off, talks to the group, and forms a plan. A plan is made that night. The group goes to Arvo's and a deal is made, "Throw the bag over the fence, if any is missing, your little girl won't look so pretty anymore." Thankfully none is and Clem is let go. The man says "If I see any of you again, I won't be so generous. Leave now."
I did it again guys. You need to stop defending bad writing. That all would have been more interesting than the bs that we got for the most part in episode 5 and characters would have lived. Luke, Bonnie and Mike eventually get separated from the group and in the heat of the moment were walkers are everywhere you have to decide to go with Kenny or Jane. You choose one and the other escapes and is AWOL from the rest of the season which leads us to Wellington.
This! The scapegoating is what really gets me. There was no reason for Kenny to continue to beat Arvo except that he didn't have anyone else to hit.
Which is why it will never happen. This isn't the place for people's sadistic revenge fantasies.
We will see him, kill him and dance crazy
That just doesn't make sense honestly. Arvo knew exactly what their group's plan was when he approached Clementine's group. No one drew on Arvo until his friends came out of the bushes. And if it was Buricko's idea, then I think this train of thought was prompted by Arvo saying he was robbed, this was a lie in many people's playthroughs.
This sounds legitimately interesting. Actually, the concepts of Clementine being captured and the Russians being more of a group of survivors than the quirky miniboss squad would've been the better use for how they were in the game. Though Buricko smoking makes me think of both GTA IV and Space Jam, for some reason.
Actually, the ambush itself was planned--its the robbing part that was on the spot. Arvo was clearly acting as a half-hearted distraction and Natasha confirms with him that they were the group that attacked him before Buricko tells him to get them to surrender so they can take what they want.
Because the ambush itself was technically planned--it's the robbery that was on the spot. Arvo only says that if you robbed him or possibly if you tell Luke and Kenny he might be mad at her in general.
He wasn't. He was most likely getting things set up so they can get away from the other two with as little straggling as possible.
Actually, it's pretty obvious even without translation that Buricko was telling him he wants to rob the group then and there. Translations have Vitali and Natasha show some uncertainty about why they're not cooperating because they only know so much english themselves.
Because it was an ambush. They had already discussed finding the people who attacked him by that point, as demonstrated by Natasha, Buricko, and Vitali's initial reactions to seeing them up close.
That was a pretty safe assumption without looking into it further, since Arvo clearly has scruples about actually robbing the group despite seemingly being fine with punishing them. Really though, Natasha has a line where she tells Arvo to just get the medicine back so they can go, so Buricko was just being a greedy, pragmatic dick at that point.
Cause Little Jacob couldn't stop smoking lol. Though Vlad and Bulgarin smoked cigars more than Jacob smoked uh... special tobacco
Everybody here who's slamming Arvo was most likely nice to him, leading to the giant middle finger they got at the end of the season. Kinda makes me laugh.
Obviously, stealing the medicine was wrong, but he still screws you over anyway. Anybody who was nice to him after that deserved to get fucked over.
If telltale remembers they may put him in at some point.
It is possible that they'd discussed robbing us, but I truly believe that Arvo was in the middle of something different at that point—which is hiding supplies so that he and his sister could leave the group in the upcoming days. @DabigRG has a great piece on this above.
I'm not sure what Jason Latino meant, but perhaps it was that our group had firearms drawn out in his direction, even if not directly at him. It is a little confusing.
I'd suspect that Arvo told Buricko that a woman took his gun, and the latter interpreted that as being "robbed," taking it as an excuse to rob us afterwards. Obviously, we have to include the medicine in the playthroughs in which that happened.
To me, Arvo shooting Clementine was one response to the treatment he had while he was taken hostage by Kenny, and another response of how he was lead to believe that a little girl shot his wounded and defenseless sister dead, while never being told that Natasha was already dead to begin with.
There was no diabolical plan of Arvo screwing anybody over, just a human reaction of how being treat like a ticking time bomb and being routinely bound and beaten over and over until Arvo snapped and lashed out.
Yeah, I wish I had the nerve to shoot a little girl every time I've been treated like shit in my life.
Especially if that little girl shrugs off the bullet as if it was nothing the next day. Might as well have been shot from a paintball gun.
I guess you just gotta find a girl with plot armor, then you can have a little target practice.
Then, if that is true, it all starts making even less sense.
From what I've gathered: Arvo who was in the process of running away from his group, got caught by Buricko, Vitali and Natasha. As a mean to redeem himself, they make him stall our group long enough for them to circle us, making the perfect ambush.
But here's the problem. If robbing wasn't the motive being the ambush in the first place, then what was? They specifically waited until they were able to surround us before showing up. And they had guns pointed at our faces. If their intention beforehand wasn't robbing us, then it was certainly to kill us. Which would make Buricko actually the "good guy" who decided that they should show mercy and just rob us instead - which sounds ridiculous.
There had to be a motivation behind the ambush in the first place after all!
Anyways, this was very clearly something that they decided to make canon post-production. Otherwise, why wouldn't there be hints of Arvo being on the run from the Russians in the actual game?
Pretty sure Kenny killed him and Mike & Bonnie if she is still alive depending on your choices. No way did Kenny allow them to get away.
I'm gonna chalk it all up to bad writing. What you're saying is probably what the writers intended as we were supposed to feel sympathy toward him. They conveyed his character poorly and this led to mass misunderstanding of him. The problem here is that his actions are conflicting and we can only speculate in order to have them correlate. I hope he stays gone, I want to leave that debacle in the past.
I agree that they conveyed him poorly.
The only way of truly understanding his perspective is reconsidering the events of the season altogether. But effective narratives shouldn't expect players—some of which don't have the time, interest or capacity—to do this.
I believe that it was conveyed poorly because the writers had railroaded the events so that Arvo shoots Clementine no matter what, in order to justify Kenny's violent behavior and tempt the audience to take his side due to being in the right for his treatment of Arvo. Bonnie and Mike showed sympathy for Arvo, and in an out-of-character fashion, the end up stealing everyone's supplies to run off with Arvo in the middle of the night, and we're supposed to feel even more tempted to side with Kenny after their betrayal.
The player can also sympathize with Arvo's predicament and recognize his hatred towards Clementine due to his assumption that she murdered her wounded and defenseless sister during the shootout, but there is no option to speak to Arvo and make it clear that Clementine had only shot his reanimated sister who was about to kill her. The game even stops you from talking to Arvo during the campfire if you've spoken to Kenny and Jane beforehand, as approaching Arvo to speak with him just cuts to the scene as if Clementine just goes straight back to the group, ignoring Arvo.
If anything, I felt that the writers had wanted to punish players for not siding with Kenny in the first place, as regardless of the outcome, Arvo shoots Clementine under the belief that she murdered her sister and that she was going to stop Arvo from getting away from Kenny.
As much as I would love to murder that little punk, at this point, I doubt we will see him anyone else from season 2.
Nah, they got away.
Well after that experience with Stranger after I stole the food from his car I decided not stealing it this time yet he still said I stole it that little piece of shit. Besides we got tons of water at the museum anyway.
Yeah the choice to steal medicine was overshadowing of the Stranger and car from S1. I'm surprised that Clem makes no mention of that in S2. That's why I stayed away from the medicine.
Yeah and the gun shot would have woken Kenny up for sure. It's possible that Kenny might have shot Arvo at this point and forced Mike to run away. We really don't know cause after Clem is shot, the screen goes black, we see a flashback of Lee in the RV, and a few hours later we wake up in the truck to see Kenny and Jane arguing.
I think "[punishing] players for not siding with Kenny" is a little dramatic, it could be because the writers for episodes 4 and 5 differed. Maybe originally he was to have another role and possibly even die. A flip like this would definitely cause a rift in motivations and roles.