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Voodoo Lady is the real villian, not Lechuck

Isaac GoodluckIsaac Goodluck
edited November 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
After seeing the intro of Siege of spinner cay I just keep thinking that The voodoo lady is the real villian all along, just pulling strings on Lechuck. here are some things to strengthen my theory:

*During the intro of chapter 2 of tales of monkey island the voodoo lady show tarotcards of the bad things happened guybrush, like it was she who decided what bad things were going to happen him, and in the end says "if he lives long enough... hehehehe.."

*Also, during the episode, LeChuck really seems like a good guy without the voodoo, His fight scene was AWSOME xD It could be that Lechuck was being controlled completely with the voodoo energies he obtained through big whoop, that maybe was the Voodoo ladys fault too.

* I think that during all of monkey island series she just pretended to help him like in the direction of the Lé Sponge el grande, the only thing that could defeat her and when its gone, she would rule the Carribean forever with her zombie pirate army.

* The last chapter is named "rise of the pirate god", might be the voodoo lady its refering to :P

*I think that its weird that shes at the frontpage of the website with guybrush, elaine and lechuck, she seems to a much minor character, unless shes the real villian

* The only one having used voodoo besides Lechuck in the series is the voodoo lady

* She didnt want to tell guybrush, when on Flotsam island if elaine was alright or not, she should obviously have powers for it.

* She is allways nearby helping guybrush and perhaps pulling the strings of the bad guys, like in the pirateship on plunder island in curse of monkey island and Booty island in escape from monkey island and flotsam island in tales of monkey island
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part 2 of mah post

*After playing chapter 3, while possesing the voodoolady, you get to use tarotcards that can command everything, and the intro of chapter 2 and 3 she shows cards of the current "bad" events so shes behind it all!

*also during chapter 3, shes so angry when you play with the locket xD
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Comments

  • quigon87quigon87
    edited August 2009
    I love twist endings, I really do, but Lechuck is pulling a fast one I think and is playing possum...

    I dont think Lucas Arts would allow Telltale to make the Voodoo Lady a bad guy to be honest... I give you marks for being original though...
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited August 2009
    it would explane why she told guybrush to find big whoop then scold him after
  • PlaneforgerPlaneforger
    edited August 2009
    Plus, she gave Guybrush the cutlass which started this whole mess.

    Eh, I don't know.
    It looks like she might be playing a bigger part in this game than in the previous games, but we've already got plenty of possible Big Bads to choose from, so I don't really see her being evil.

    *edit* Oh, and she
    supposedly killed that guy on the Isle of Ewe
    . Creepy.

    Then again,
    the cutlass worked, she helped Guybrush get off Flotsam, and she set him on the right path to curing the pox - not to mention all of the times she helped him out in the previous games
    . So no, I don't think that she's all that bad.
  • Lennie MelvinLennie Melvin
    edited August 2009
    Well that evil laugh was preeetty evil.
  • Isaac GoodluckIsaac Goodluck
    edited August 2009
    Planeforger wrote: »
    Plus, she gave Guybrush the cutlass which started this whole mess.

    Eh, I don't know.
    It looks like she might be playing a bigger part in this game than in the previous games, but we've already got plenty of possible Big Bads to choose from, so I don't really see her being evil.

    She had an evil laugh in the intro?
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited August 2009
    Isaac Goodluck wrote: »
    She had an evil laugh in the intro?

    on chapter 2 when she
    shows the cards from that tresure bg and she laughs when she says guybrush might not survive morgans attack
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited August 2009
    Plus:
    - She wants Cutlass with LeChuck essence back in E1.
    - She looks annoyed \ scared when Guybrush tells that LeChuck turned human.
    - She was never very helpful: SMI - tells Guybrush's fortune, LCR - sets him on search of cursed treasure, CMI - well, tells Guybrush where to go, but that's all, EMI - reveals instructions about constructing Ultimate Insult
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited August 2009
    Novotnus wrote: »
    Plus:
    - She wants Cutlass with LeChuck essence back in E1.
    - She looks annoyed \ scared when Guybrush tells that LeChuck turned human.
    - She was never very helpful: SMI - tells Guybrush's fortune, LCR - sets him on search of cursed treasure, CMI - well, tells Guybrush where to go, but that's all, EMI - reveals instructions about constructing Ultimate Insult

    also she sends guybrush to blood island thinking
    he will die
  • darknessofheartdarknessofheart
    edited August 2009
    Wow, I must admit I thought this would be a very ridiculous theory, but it's very well thought out. There is a lot of evidence to support this and it does make for a great story and plot twist. I'm still hoping for LeChuck to be behind it all, but this is a great theory! Well done, you should ask Telltale for a job as a writer.
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited August 2009
    Sailorcuteness wrote: »
    also she sends guybrush to blood island thinking
    he will die

    Yeah, but wouldn't an evil person hide that fact? She made it pretty obvious...
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited August 2009
    - She lies about her role in destruction of LeChuck - pirates on Scabb are led to belive that she destroyed GP LeChuck; in CMI she says she helped a lot and that's not true.
    - By constructing Largo doll she caused resurrection of LeChuck. She might've know that this will happen, as Guybrush shows her the beard.
    - It's strange that she's always on different island including unescapeable Flotsam - maybe there is more than one Voodoo Lady?
  • feverfewfeverfew
    edited August 2009
    I was under impression that in the Ep 2 intro, she was floating on water, sailing somewhere...
  • wispwisp
    edited August 2009
    also, she was selling voodoo supplies to lechuck in mi2..
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited August 2009
    and she had a voodoo doll of mort and let her voodoo kids hurt him
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited August 2009
    - When Guybrush asks about human LeChuck, she seems worried that he doesn't have any voodoo on him. It's strange, as without voodoo LeChuck is much less dangerous. Only one who might be worried is someone who used voodoo to control LeChuck
    - Ron had something to do with Tales and we can never know what was his plan for Voodoo Lady - in LCR there are many clues about Voodoo Lady not beeing as good as she wants us to belive.
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited August 2009
    To be fair, some people can make you think that Yoshis' are the real bad guys. (They hurt innocent shy guys...) How do we know we're not reading too much into this? Are we confusion "Sketchy" with "EVIL"?
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited August 2009
    hplikelike wrote: »
    To be fair, some people can make you think that Yoshis' are the real bad guys. (They hurt innocent shy guys...) How do we know we're not reading too much into this? Are we confusion "Sketchy" with "EVIL"?

    Aw, but where is fun in beeing rational? We have to do something waiting for Ch3 ; )
  • doggansdoggans
    edited August 2009
    Sailorcuteness wrote: »
    also she sends guybrush to blood island thinking
    he will die

    To be fair,
    he DOES "die" twice, but wakes up. Maybe she knew he would, just decided not to tell him.
    :p
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited August 2009
    doggans wrote: »
    To be fair,
    he DOES "die" twice, but wakes up. Maybe she knew he would, just decided not to tell him.
    :p

    Or maybe the fortune teller there was supposed to finish him off...
    Maybe somebody didn't uphold their end of the bargain.

    But seriously, the character I think is behind it all is that seagull that keeps following you around. Who would suspect him? I bet he's (or she's) teamed up with Jaque, who is secretly manipulating Marquis while De Singe thinks that he's manipulating Jaque.
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited August 2009
    mabey the red herrings not a red herring after all..well it is but not in the way...arrg! this be confusing
  • IgnatiusIgnatius
    edited August 2009
    Mmm...i think Guybrush will start doubting about the Voodo Lady intentions at some point in the game, but at the end we will see she is not a villian.

    I always saw the Voodo Lady as a neutral character, not good but not evil, she is very helpfull but she knows more of what she really tells.
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited August 2009
    Ignatius wrote: »
    Mmm...i think Guybrush will start doubting about the Voodo Lady intentions at some point in the game, but at the end we will see she is not a villian.

    Wait, like Severus Snape?
  • Isaac GoodluckIsaac Goodluck
    edited August 2009
    Oh please, its a solid theory, just look at the banner in the forum, shes EVIL
  • IgnatiusIgnatius
    edited August 2009
    hplikelike wrote: »
    Wait, like Severus Snape?

    I know he is a Harry Potter guy but not sure who.

    Is he the bad guy that kicks the butt of Harry´s poor old professor?

    Or is he the good guy whose ass is kicked by Tim Burton´s wife?
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited August 2009
    hmm skull face paint mabey its not paint IS THE POX OF MURRAY!
  • BeeKay84BeeKay84
    edited August 2009
    The Voodoo Lady as the Villain?!

    Okay, her laughter in the intro of "Siege of Spinner Cay" was quite disturbing. I don't know what to make of that...
    And sometimes, the advice she gave Guybrush didn't seem like the best thing to do. But I think some of your arguments are a little far-fetched.

    E.g.
    Novotnus wrote: »
    - When Guybrush asks about human LeChuck, she seems worried that he doesn't have any voodoo on him. It's strange, as without voodoo LeChuck is much less dangerous. Only one who might be worried is someone who used voodoo to control LeChuck
    I think the only reason why she's worried about that is because it's impossible for her to "track down" LeChuck without any voodoo on him.
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited August 2009
    hplikelike wrote: »
    Wait, like Severus Snape?

    I belive LeChuck's more like Severus.
    I think the only reason why she's worried about that is because it's impossible for her to "track down" LeChuck without any voodoo on him.

    She never did track him down, why would she want to now?
  • feverfewfeverfew
    edited August 2009
    I personally believe that the Voodoo Lady always had a kind of agenda, and possibly not a very decent one. The thing to ponder is her connection with Coronado and La Esponja Grande. Coronado writes in is journal (prize from treasure hunting) that "she'll love him for this". Yet, she points out that "he became obsessed" with it and seems very displeased with his decision. Why would she need Esp. Gr. ? There was no pox back then...
  • RandulfRandulf
    edited August 2009
    feverfew wrote: »
    I personally believe that the Voodoo Lady always had a kind of agenda, and possibly not a very decent one. The thing to ponder is her connection with Coronado and La Esponja Grande. Coronado writes in is journal (prize from treasure hunting) that "she'll love him for this". Yet, she points out that "he became obsessed" with it and seems very displeased with his decision. Why would she need Esp. Gr. ? There was no pox back then...

    The Voodoo Lady has a chain store selling, among other things, voodoo-neutralising lotions. Having access to a strong anti-voodoo ingredient is good for business.
  • PlaneforgerPlaneforger
    edited August 2009
    Novotnus wrote: »
    She never did track him down, why would she want to now?
    She said in the first episode that
    she can only observe people who have a 'voodoo mark' on them - if LeChuck is out of voodoo, she's blind to him...I guess?
    .
  • darknessofheartdarknessofheart
    edited August 2009
    The tricky part of this theory is that her actions could go either way. She could just be a very helpful person who sends Guybrush on dangerous quests, knowing that he'll turn out okay and just not tell him or it could be part of something more sinister.

    An important aspect to consider when looking at her past actions in previous games, is that the developers weren't crafting out for her be a villain when doing Escape. They make up the story as they go along. So the writers would have to look at her past actions and then create this whole plot in tales. Other than that, her being evil would never have been imagined of prior to tales. So that also makes it a bit tricky since all the other games were led by other people. Ron Gilbert may have suggested something, but that's a stretch.
  • bugzbunny90bugzbunny90
    edited August 2009
    maybe she is doing it all to have revenge on that De Cava dude.. like in PoTC with that calypso dudet and davie jones :|

    yay my 100th post :D
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited August 2009
    I really don't like this theory...
    Sure it would be quite a twist, but a very cheap one i think.
    And, have you ever played the previous games ? Her character has always been mysterious and a bit menacing. She's not supposed to be your friend, nor your ennemy...
  • Isaac GoodluckIsaac Goodluck
    edited August 2009
    when playing ch 1 another time thinking she is the villian, it seemed so obvious that she were the bad guy, like when you tell her Lechuck is human, she screams WHAAAAAAAT!!! angered, why would she do that? and she just isnt that friendly :P she is also hiding AWFULLY lot of things in her little shack
  • darknessofheartdarknessofheart
    edited August 2009
    Isaac Goodluck wrote: »
    when playing ch 1 another time thinking she is the villian, it seemed so obvious that she were the bad guy, like when you tell her Lechuck is human, she screams WHAAAAAAAT!!! angered, why would she do that? and she just isnt that friendly :P she is also hiding AWFULLY lot of things in her little shack

    Well, it indicated that LeChuck was not destroyed and beyond that, all his accumulated evil was spreading throughout the entire Caribbean turning people into evil villains capable of unspeakable acts.
  • thatdude98thatdude98
    edited August 2009
    Telltale IS known for making seemingly good guys the bad villains.

    Examples:
    Hugh Bliss and the Soda Poppers
  • KrakenKraken
    edited August 2009
    Obviously the real villain will be Voodoo lady's old love. So far everything hints that he is not quite right in his head either...
  • priznaprizna
    edited August 2009
    Kraken wrote: »
    Obviously the real villain will be Voodoo lady's old love. So far everything hints that he is not quite right in his head either...

    yea, he will be the Pirate God
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited August 2009
    Sailorcuteness wrote: »
    hmm skull face paint mabey its not paint IS THE POX OF MURRAY!

    ^This








    ...made me laugh. :)
  • bobdevisbobdevis
    edited August 2009
    Can't be.
    If the voodoo lady turns out to be evil from the start, then it will have to be explained why she helped Guybrush on every single occasion and why it seemed she was telling the truth every time.
    This can be done but then the story would get much too complicated for a game like this.
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