Fair points. I saw one scene where batman was unmasked and conversing with John if you went down the Vigilante path.
With the knife getting knocked out of his hands, i suspect a scuffle could have occurred if you didn't agree with John's method of lethal force. Waller mentioning that you let a maniac escape with the virus, well that bitch tried to kill him and caused the chain of events on the bridge.
John is batshit crazy and willing to kill anybody he perceives to be crooks, and i think it will put him at odds with Bruce
What is with you wanting people to regret their decisions? They do now, but no need to gloat by saying "Hah I knew this from the start, you … morejust backed yourself into a corner." Mind your own choices.
Not all of us have the Vigilante Joker because we adore John, want to be his best bud, and nothing will separate us apart, OhYeahHeDidNothingWrong
In my case, I trusted him out of necessity. Yes, I'd like to be on good terms, and I'd be even more grateful to get him the help he needs, but I trusted him to take down the unhinged Harley, and Waller betrayed his trust for her in the situation, so yeah now he's out for vengeance. I didn't do it because "he's my sidekick." I know he's a lethal character, and I can clearly see him getting out of hand. But, I think it's better to have a John who's on your side than one who's completely against you. (I just hope I have the option to be opposed to his methods.) I like him, but I don't want to work … [view original content]
I'm under the impression that he will appear for the people who got vigilante Joker. I mean, what past choices could possibly matter in whether Frank shows up as a henchman or not?
Ahhhh very interesting trailers very well put together. Also the chokers on selina and company look really fashionable. Is the joker running a fashion show?
The only one that comes to mind is how you handled Willy in episode 2. Since he visits the same bar as Frank, it's possible they might be pals. If you beat Willy up, he might not want to have anything to do with John or his fanclub. But if you bought him a beer, he probably wouldn't have anything against John, thus joining him and later convincing Frank to join as well.
I'm under the impression that he will appear for the people who got vigilante Joker. I mean, what past choices could possibly matter in whether Frank shows up as a henchman or not?
That's a possibility. I think it will be to whether we choose to bring Tiffany along with us. If we don't bring her for whatever reason the John will get the goons to come along.
The only one that comes to mind is how you handled Willy in episode 2. Since he visits the same bar as Frank, it's possible they might be pa… morels. If you beat Willy up, he might not want to have anything to do with John or his fanclub. But if you bought him a beer, he probably wouldn't have anything against John, thus joining him and later convincing Frank to join as well.
Buuut I'm most likely reaching.
What's confusing me is how quickly Harley seems to be slipping into a sidekick role to the Joker in the villain side. I thought this version was supposed to have more of a dominant and in charge personality compared to other Harleys. I wonder if she'll be totally happy being Joker's second in command instead of the boss.
Those are I think created by the Agency to keep them loyal to Waller and (in the case of the Vigilante path) form the Suicide Squad. I assume in the Villain path Joker stole some to collar people for his own ends.
Ahhhh very interesting trailers very well put together. Also the chokers on selina and company look really fashionable. Is the joker running a fashion show?
What's confusing me is how quickly Harley seems to be slipping into a sidekick role to the Joker in the villain side. I thought this version… more was supposed to have more of a dominant and in charge personality compared to other Harleys. I wonder if she'll be totally happy being Joker's second in command instead of the boss.
Well, if you take the drive by force, he almost certainly isn't a friend anymore. And if you make a deal, he's probably off hiding on some remote island or something.
Not much he can really do to help either way. I mean the guy's an arms dealer, right? What can he really do besides give Bruce guns, one of the things he hates?
That's the problem with this season in general. Character's personalities shift dramatically from scene to scene. It was noticeable with Harley in episode 2 with Bruce. One minute she mistrusts him, the next flirting with him. Waller's all over the map too. Serious lapses in characterization continuity.
What's confusing me is how quickly Harley seems to be slipping into a sidekick role to the Joker in the villain side. I thought this version… more was supposed to have more of a dominant and in charge personality compared to other Harleys. I wonder if she'll be totally happy being Joker's second in command instead of the boss.
I did find that rather odd in the Villain ending of Episode 4. (Haven't seen the trailer, so can't comment on those events.)
"Like, you're really letting John take charge of your escape? I thought you thought he wasn't capable."
Eh, maybe with John's burden of friendship with Bruce gone, he's learned to take charge of his own life, really spruce up his lifestyle.. "Don't take no for an answer!" attitude.
Maybe Harley likes those kind of guys.
We'll see how submissive she is to him when the full episode releases. Hopefully they're on equal ground, as any good couple should be.
What's confusing me is how quickly Harley seems to be slipping into a sidekick role to the Joker in the villain side. I thought this version… more was supposed to have more of a dominant and in charge personality compared to other Harleys. I wonder if she'll be totally happy being Joker's second in command instead of the boss.
I think it's because Villain Joker is becoming more and more the kind of man she likes, so naturally you'd be a bit taken. It's possible she's still manipulating him in a subtle way, possibly unaware he might be doing the same to her.
Don't worry, in this season's cliffhanger we'll find out that Mori's suing Wayne for assault, (even if you gave him the money cause he's a shady guy like that) and Season 3 will be the thrilling and action-packed finale of... The Courtroom.
In some ways the villain ending is one i may have mixed feelings with because John did do a lot for Bruce like messaging him that Mori was a lead to get to riddler, and many other actions to show he was looking out for him.
Him being the Villain is interesting to see, but lets not forget the good experiences that John and Bruce had together if you treated him right
That's the problem with this season in general. Character's personalities shift dramatically from scene to scene. It was noticeable with Har… moreley in episode 2 with Bruce. One minute she mistrusts him, the next flirting with him. Waller's all over the map too. Serious lapses in characterization continuity.
She likes to push buttons and keep people off balance and guessing her next move so they don't see "the real her." She likes to be unpredictable and shake things up to hide her insecurities and weaknesses.
Well, I would guess if you have a good relationship with Selina it will play out differently, even if she is forced to fight against you in… more the vigilante path she still looks a bit concerned. I hope we can help her at least and get the happy ending that some of us wish on them.
My mind is made up. No matter how hard I'm trying to convince myself trusting John was the right choice it just is not. I can't possibly envision the Batman I grew to admire siding with someone so obviously deranged, Joker is bound to make a mistake and Batman will be complicit. Now, I'm aware Batman/Bruce is complicit regardless since he sort of "created" Joker if you betray him but to me this is the most sensible option if not the most narratively fresh one.
I'm sorry John but Batman has a reputation to uphold. Waller is dirty but she is not a psycopath and wants a safer Gotham at the end of the night.
I will do what I can to preserve John, but I suspect judging by the last achievement that he will go missing somehow.
And I'm certain a very beloved character will die, or several come to think of it.
What's confusing me is how quickly Harley seems to be slipping into a sidekick role to the Joker in the villain side. I thought this version… more was supposed to have more of a dominant and in charge personality compared to other Harleys. I wonder if she'll be totally happy being Joker's second in command instead of the boss.
As much as I wanted a Vigilante Joker I gotta admit the Villain playthrough looks really fun. Good thing I have two saves for each route. I look forward to doing things differently on my other two save files and seeing how much I can change his personality.
I can't believe the forum memed a character into villainy. What have you people done?!
Also why are some of you so bothered about people making different choices from you and Telltale making branching paths that differ from one another greatly? It's a choice based game so why should any of this surprise you?
Don't worry, in this season's cliffhanger we'll find out that Mori's suing Wayne for assault, (even if you gave him the money cause he's a shady guy like that) and Season 3 will be the thrilling and action-packed finale of... The Courtroom.
I can't believe the forum memed a character into villainy. What have you people done?!
Also why are some of you so bothered about people … moremaking different choices from you and Telltale making branching paths that differ from one another greatly? It's a choice based game so why should any of this surprise you?
I’ve been reading comics for far too long to go with villain Joker. If I want to see that I’ll just read any Batman comic book I’ve read in the past thirty five years. Vigilante was the easy choice for me. Out with the old, in with the new.
I see what you're saying and I too went with Vigilante Joker but there's still something new and unique to the villain route. John will still be a sympathetic character, especially since in that route the Joker only exists because he feels that he was betrayed by his best friend. My point is it still won't be the same old story.
I’ve been reading comics for far too long to go with villain Joker. If I want to see that I’ll just read any Batman comic book I’ve read in the past thirty five years. Vigilante was the easy choice for me. Out with the old, in with the new.
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It was never shitposting, it was pure passion for the story to benefit.
Now I'm worried I messed up and he won't appear in the episode.
Fair points. I saw one scene where batman was unmasked and conversing with John if you went down the Vigilante path.
With the knife getting knocked out of his hands, i suspect a scuffle could have occurred if you didn't agree with John's method of lethal force. Waller mentioning that you let a maniac escape with the virus, well that bitch tried to kill him and caused the chain of events on the bridge.
John is batshit crazy and willing to kill anybody he perceives to be crooks, and i think it will put him at odds with Bruce
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I'm under the impression that he will appear for the people who got vigilante Joker. I mean, what past choices could possibly matter in whether Frank shows up as a henchman or not?
Ahhhh very interesting trailers very well put together. Also the chokers on selina and company look really fashionable. Is the joker running a fashion show?
The only one that comes to mind is how you handled Willy in episode 2. Since he visits the same bar as Frank, it's possible they might be pals. If you beat Willy up, he might not want to have anything to do with John or his fanclub. But if you bought him a beer, he probably wouldn't have anything against John, thus joining him and later convincing Frank to join as well.
Buuut I'm most likely reaching.
That's a possibility. I think it will be to whether we choose to bring Tiffany along with us. If we don't bring her for whatever reason the John will get the goons to come along.
What's confusing me is how quickly Harley seems to be slipping into a sidekick role to the Joker in the villain side. I thought this version was supposed to have more of a dominant and in charge personality compared to other Harleys. I wonder if she'll be totally happy being Joker's second in command instead of the boss.
Those are I think created by the Agency to keep them loyal to Waller and (in the case of the Vigilante path) form the Suicide Squad. I assume in the Villain path Joker stole some to collar people for his own ends.
Good point.
Where is Mori in all of this stuff going down?
He tripped on a plothole and died.
lol
Well, if you take the drive by force, he almost certainly isn't a friend anymore. And if you make a deal, he's probably off hiding on some remote island or something.
Not much he can really do to help either way. I mean the guy's an arms dealer, right? What can he really do besides give Bruce guns, one of the things he hates?
That's the problem with this season in general. Character's personalities shift dramatically from scene to scene. It was noticeable with Harley in episode 2 with Bruce. One minute she mistrusts him, the next flirting with him. Waller's all over the map too. Serious lapses in characterization continuity.
I did find that rather odd in the Villain ending of Episode 4. (Haven't seen the trailer, so can't comment on those events.)
"Like, you're really letting John take charge of your escape? I thought you thought he wasn't capable."
Eh, maybe with John's burden of friendship with Bruce gone, he's learned to take charge of his own life, really spruce up his lifestyle.. "Don't take no for an answer!" attitude.
Maybe Harley likes those kind of guys.
We'll see how submissive she is to him when the full episode releases. Hopefully they're on equal ground, as any good couple should be.
I think it's because Villain Joker is becoming more and more the kind of man she likes, so naturally you'd be a bit taken. It's possible she's still manipulating him in a subtle way, possibly unaware he might be doing the same to her.
It looks great can't wait
You better give us a new series about Frank in which we are shown his descent into darkness.
PS: Thanks for bringing our Robin back btw
"YOU SHOULD KILL ME WAYNE! I WONT FORGET!"
Don't worry, in this season's cliffhanger we'll find out that Mori's suing Wayne for assault, (even if you gave him the money cause he's a shady guy like that) and Season 3 will be the thrilling and action-packed finale of... The Courtroom.
This episode looks incredible! I am so excited! I hope Bullock and Gordon make it out okay. Things don't look good for them.
In some ways the villain ending is one i may have mixed feelings with because John did do a lot for Bruce like messaging him that Mori was a lead to get to riddler, and many other actions to show he was looking out for him.
Him being the Villain is interesting to see, but lets not forget the good experiences that John and Bruce had together if you treated him right
Waller or gordon
The flirting with Harley was just to get in Bruce’s head and to push John and Bruce apart.
Plus, there's a whole scene where Harley explains to Bruce why she behaves like that in Episode 2.
I didn't see anything of her explaining to Bruce why she acted like what she did in episode 2.
She likes to push buttons and keep people off balance and guessing her next move so they don't see "the real her." She likes to be unpredictable and shake things up to hide her insecurities and weaknesses.
I actually hope we would be able to free Harley, i don't care about Selina!
My mind is made up. No matter how hard I'm trying to convince myself trusting John was the right choice it just is not. I can't possibly envision the Batman I grew to admire siding with someone so obviously deranged, Joker is bound to make a mistake and Batman will be complicit. Now, I'm aware Batman/Bruce is complicit regardless since he sort of "created" Joker if you betray him but to me this is the most sensible option if not the most narratively fresh one.
I'm sorry John but Batman has a reputation to uphold. Waller is dirty but she is not a psycopath and wants a safer Gotham at the end of the night.
I will do what I can to preserve John, but I suspect judging by the last achievement that he will go missing somehow.
And I'm certain a very beloved character will die, or several come to think of it.
Tuesday is going to be one very emotional day.
Could we know if it's the same voiceactor for him, or someone new?
Maybe Harley's just letting him do his first real villain job by himself while she's supervising him.
Just you wait until it's revealed that it was actually him who killed Riddler. Then you'll be SORRY!
As much as I wanted a Vigilante Joker I gotta admit the Villain playthrough looks really fun. Good thing I have two saves for each route. I look forward to doing things differently on my other two save files and seeing how much I can change his personality.
I can't believe the forum memed a character into villainy. What have you people done?!
Also why are some of you so bothered about people making different choices from you and Telltale making branching paths that differ from one another greatly? It's a choice based game so why should any of this surprise you?
The courtroom can be very action packed, sir.
You either die a meme or live long enough to become a villain.
I’ve been reading comics for far too long to go with villain Joker. If I want to see that I’ll just read any Batman comic book I’ve read in the past thirty five years. Vigilante was the easy choice for me. Out with the old, in with the new.
I see what you're saying and I too went with Vigilante Joker but there's still something new and unique to the villain route. John will still be a sympathetic character, especially since in that route the Joker only exists because he feels that he was betrayed by his best friend. My point is it still won't be the same old story.