I'm speaking in general. Though most don't explain which season in particular their hate comes from. And again, in ANF, he was what, 3? I do agree a vague character isn't always pleasant, but still, ANF wasn't based around Clem & AJ's journey at all. Just bits and pieces of Season 2 on their journey. And what little we got, it was mostly Clem aiding to him and still finding her path, picking up where they left off in the previous season. And again, he was just a baby, why is it so hard to accept his arc? "Because he doesn't talk" or wasn't "developed" quick enough is what I'm served with throughout. I'd never consider him a burden, I look at AJ as just another character we happened to be place with in the apocalypse.
Is this about not liking AJ in TFS or ANF? FInal Season Aj is finally a character and something that (hopefully) we will care about. Not car… moreing about Aj in ANF is perfectly fine, he doesnt do anything, we dont spend enough time with him for us to care for him in anyway, which is why most people just didnt care or get behind it. He was just a plot device that the players were just told they had to care about, without given a reason to care about.
Because he isnt a real baby is the best way to put it. This is a fictional story, writers have to make the audience care about their characters. Aj is a plot device plain and simple. Saying not wanting to take care of Aj is hypocritical due to enjoying the Lee and Clem dynamic makes no sense, because there is no Aj and Clem dynamic in S2 and S3. You arnt told you have to care for Clem in S1, it just naturally happens through the story and how they interact, inside of S2 and S3 where it just goes "You care about Aj, thats final" even though they don't interact in any meaningful way for me to care about what happens to him, other than "Uhhh you better."
I'm speaking in general. Though most don't explain which season in particular their hate comes from. And again, in ANF, he was what, 3? I do… more agree a vague character isn't always pleasant, but still, ANF wasn't based around Clem & AJ's journey at all. Just bits and pieces of Season 2 on their journey. And what little we got, it was mostly Clem aiding to him and still finding her path, picking up where they left off in the previous season. And again, he was just a baby, why is it so hard to accept his arc? "Because he doesn't talk" or wasn't "developed" quick enough is what I'm served with throughout. I'd never consider him a burden, I look at AJ as just another character we happened to be place with in the apocalypse.
the only bad thing Jane ever really did was trying to leave Kenny in the cold, and picking a fight with Kenny by pretending AJ was dead.
How is this? Wait what? Doesn't someone trying to provoke a pointless battle just to prove something they only have "suspicions" about say a lot about them? She hasn't known Kenny or what he's been through over the years to call him a "time bomb". Who gives her the right?
the only bad thing Jane ever really did
Also trying to convince Clem to leave Sarah for dead to a mob of walkers. Which of course if you have no patience and do leave her for dead, she puts the blame and death on you. Killing herself because she was pregnant is justified? Why didn't Christa kill herself? Or Rebecca? Not to mention her "caution" for anyone who isn't Clementine. Seems fishy to me.
Jane was only trying to manipulate Clementine because she looked at her as a gullible kid and thought she didn't know any better than to think for herself. Nothing else but an easy target, "does what you say when you say it, no questions asked". There's no good in Jane. Anywhere.
Honestly, the only bad thing Jane ever really did was trying to leave Kenny in the cold, and picking a fight with Kenny by pretending AJ was… more dead. Leaving him for dead was inexcusable. Trying to prove a point that the obviously unstable man is unstable, and would lose his shit if angered was really uncalled for. However, she never really meant for anyone to die. You can see she put her knife away once Kenny showed signs of backing down. Anything she had done after that was done in self defense.
Eleanor on the other hand, violated the sanctity of The Team's plan by exchanging words with Joan about what they had planned. She wasn't stupid. She knew she would've gotten them killed. She saw what Joan's squad of reprobates did to Mariana. She saw how they almost killed Kate. Yet, she threw caution to the wind, and told Joan about their plan, all because she "didn't want to leave".
Who in the right mind would talk shit to the person who has a bad temper, AND is holding a gun
Dangerous. That's why I left her in the first place lol. Lily had this chip on her shoulder ever since the day we met her. There's no lovable moments with her that'll make someone think twice about her. She's out for herself, to prove herself. And for what? To show dominance? There's a group you're apart of who's all for the good being of each other and she's worried most about who's supposed in charge instead of the obvious.
She literally murdered Carley/Doug because they told her off
I say they killed themselves. Who in the right mind would talk shit to … morethe person who has a bad temper, AND is holding a gun, when they're accusing you of dealing with the bandits???? Also, Doug jumped in the line of fire, so that's entirely on him
* Left her sister to die.
* Threatened Arvo, and causes his group to attack Clem's.
* Talked dumbass Luke into a stupid quickie, when he w… moreas supposed to be on guard.
* Tried to get Clem to give up on Sarah, TWICE. And Clem had to demand Jane to save her the second time.
* She even says to Clem in the episode 4 preview, not to bother with anyone else, since they're all gonna die.
For some people it's because she love AJ a bit too much. Knowing every time his life is in danger, Clem will most likely put herself in danger too to put him out off harm's way. Having the mother's heart toward someone is something that can be very dangerous especially in a world like this.
For some people it's because she love AJ a bit too much. Knowing every time his life is in danger, Clem will most likely put herself in dang… moreer too to put him out off harm's way. Having the mother's heart toward someone is something that can be very dangerous especially in a world like this.
Who in the right mind would talk shit to the person who has a bad temper, AND is holding a gun
Dangerous. That's why I left her in t… morehe first place lol. Lily had this chip on her shoulder ever since the day we met her. There's no lovable moments with her that'll make someone think twice about her. She's out for herself, to prove herself. And for what? To show dominance? There's a group you're apart of who's all for the good being of each other and she's worried most about who's supposed in charge instead of the obvious.
True. Both met with strangers who risked their lives to look after them, guiding them into this new setting, aiding them, saving them multiple times too. Didn't really ask to be met with this responsibility, but y'know, sorta help them out anyway in any circumstance. Clem on the other hand, was older than AJ obviously. Kids her age are known to throw tantrums when they come across "monsters" trying to eat their face off. But she was cool about it all throughout the story though. You're right.
lol no. Clem and AJ are nothing alike. I hated the very idea of AJ from the moment Clem got stuck with him. Not only did he turn into a lazy… more plot device, she was much too young to be stuck caring for a baby in a zombie apocalypse. She'd have had to scavenge for formula to feed him until he was old enough for solid foods, which would put her in unnecessary danger. Babies cry a lot and cannot be reasoned with, which would draw walkers from all around. I'm sure that the only reason AJ never cried much in the games is because TellTale realized having him cry like a normal baby would ruin any semblance of realism because either they'd have to have no walkers around or they'd have to have the walkers suddenly be deaf. Without her plot armor she would have died tried to get formula for him or just because he was dirty, or gassy, or tired, or any number of reasons why infants cry inconsolably. I actually hate him less now that he's a talking person a… [view original content]
I guess that makes two of us amongst hundreds of thousands lol. After AJ was born, I felt the same way Kenny did. I didn't get to hold him, but I felt the connection and love. Instantly wanting to protecting him and teach someone new, and not letting him out of my sight. TFS will hopefully go smoothly with the naysayers, opening their eyes if you will.
AJ since he has proven that he is no longer a liability and is able to help
This may be the dealbreaker for most players. Making him do the work for once instead of leading him. Even though that's how a team works, but hey, who needs them?
I guess a lot of people who dislike AJ or only view him as a burden is because their mindset is focused mainly on survival and not relations… morehips. I’m in the minority when it comes to AJ. I actually grew fond of him ever since he was born in S2. He was a sign of hope. He was the light that overshadowed darkness. Now in ANF I was pretty upset that we didn’t get to explore the familial dynamic/relatinship between Clementine and AJ for people to get attached to him. The Final Season may change the players’ opinion about AJ since he has proven that he is no longer a liability and is able to help in things such as scavenging and combat based on the 15-minute gameplay.
But not at everyone! I get the paranoia, but If she would've just let him speak as he tried to own up to it, we wouldn't have a casualty! And she'd be getting a ride in the RV!
But not at everyone! I get the paranoia, but If she would've just let him speak as he tried to own up to it, we wouldn't have a casualty! And she'd be getting a ride in the RV!
I get it's fiction and all. And the decision to take care of Clem and AJ aren't equal whatsoever. However, the point I'm trying to get across is, we're in control of Lee, who then uses his free will to care for this child he does not know. Similar to Clem, who we also have control over does the exact same thing. They don't coexist?
Saying not wanting to take care of Aj is hypocritical due to enjoying the Lee and Clem dynamic makes no sense, because there is no Aj and Clem dynamic in S2 and S3. You arnt told you have to care for Clem in S1, it just naturally happens
Kinda how the AJ situation was handled? Not exactly the same, but still very similar. Like I stated above, Rebecca didn't grant Clementine to be AJ's guardian, or how you would put it...
it just naturally happens through the story and how they interact
No one told Lee or Clem to look after the children they come across - they just did it. How's that not the same? Because their relationship wasn't canon? How do you know how their relationship grows in Wellington? Just because Lee & Clementine were with each other for the majority of S1, and AJ & Clem's relationship weren't as on screen, doesn't mean the relationship is weak.
Because he isnt a real baby is the best way to put it. This is a fictional story, writers have to make the audience care about their charact… moreers. Aj is a plot device plain and simple. Saying not wanting to take care of Aj is hypocritical due to enjoying the Lee and Clem dynamic makes no sense, because there is no Aj and Clem dynamic in S2 and S3. You arnt told you have to care for Clem in S1, it just naturally happens through the story and how they interact, inside of S2 and S3 where it just goes "You care about Aj, thats final" even though they don't interact in any meaningful way for me to care about what happens to him, other than "Uhhh you better."
How are you justifying this?!? Lol. Waving a loaded gun around to get to the bottom of a situation is a bit overkill in my book. But to be technical, it's Ben's fault why Carley died?
But not at everyone!
Who's everyone? She only points her gun at Ben until Carly/Doug starts defending him
If she would've just… more let him speak as he tried to own up to it, we wouldn't have a casualty!
We might've. She probably would've shot Ben. Honestly, I don't think she should've been kicked out of the group. She's loyal.
Waving a loaded gun around to get to the bottom of a situation is a bit overkill in my book
Sometimes the only way to get answers is to scare them out of people
to be technical, it's Ben's fault why Carley died?
Yeah, because had he not traded with the bandits, he wouldn't have ran out of goods to give them in order to protect the motor inn, which means Lily wouldn't have accused anyone of stealing, therefor never being in the position to question who it was who stole.
How are you justifying this?!? Lol. Waving a loaded gun around to get to the bottom of a situation is a bit overkill in my book. But to be technical, it's Ben's fault why Carley died?
Exactly. Clem has always been an actual character. AJ, on the other hand, spent his entire first two games as nothing more than a plot device that was forced onto Clem with no way to refuse. He may as well have been an autographed football or something.
Exactly. Clem has always been an actual character. AJ, on the other hand, spent his entire first two games as nothing more than a plot devic… moree that was forced onto Clem with no way to refuse. He may as well have been an autographed football or something.
The problem is we have absolutely no reason to care about AJ considering he was absent for 98% percent of ANF and came in midway through S2 … moreas an infant with no character, dialogue, etc. Clementine we developed an emotional connection with and a relationship not just as Lee, but as a player for the journey we undertook with her. With AJ, he debuted mid way through the season as a newborn infant obviously lacking any character or depth to him. Our journey with him was more of a burden and hardship than a developing relationship. Every character we as players have come to love and hate has been molded by the interactions, stories and relationships we've developed with those characters. From what I've seen of AJ in the final season, I do not like him regardless of the justification of his character's personality as this is the most I have to go on. You're comparing a literal newborn baby who was an absolute burden from birth to a 7-8 year old gi… [view original content]
Honestly, the only bad thing Jane ever really did was trying to leave Kenny in the cold, and picking a fight with Kenny by pretending AJ was… more dead. Leaving him for dead was inexcusable. Trying to prove a point that the obviously unstable man is unstable, and would lose his shit if angered was really uncalled for. However, she never really meant for anyone to die. You can see she put her knife away once Kenny showed signs of backing down. Anything she had done after that was done in self defense.
Eleanor on the other hand, violated the sanctity of The Team's plan by exchanging words with Joan about what they had planned. She wasn't stupid. She knew she would've gotten them killed. She saw what Joan's squad of reprobates did to Mariana. She saw how they almost killed Kate. Yet, she threw caution to the wind, and told Joan about their plan, all because she "didn't want to leave".
You can see she put her knife away once Kenny showed signs of backing down.
And calling him a son of a bitch was definitely for the sake of self defense.
If Jane didn't want to fight, then why did she decide to provoke him in the first place? She knew he was "unstable", was she expecting no problems when she did it? You can see how much of an idiot she can be by telling Clementine to stay out of it but ask for her help when Kenny tries to stab her. She could have easily told Kenny that AJ was still alive.
Also, she left AJ in a frozen car where he could have died. What if he didn't cry after the fight? Jane didn't even tell Clem the truth, she discovered it on her own.
If Jane didn't want to fight, then why did she decide to provoke him in the first place? She knew he was "unstable", was she expecting no pr… moreoblems when she did it? You can see how much of an idiot she can be by telling Clementine to stay out of it but ask for her help when Kenny tries to stab her. She could have easily told Kenny that AJ was still alive.
Also, she left AJ in a frozen car where he could have died. What if he didn't cry after the fight? Jane didn't even tell Clem the truth, she discovered it on her own.
Okay again, this all pretty much comes down to the writers dont give you a reason to care about Aj, but they did for Clem. Sure you can argue Clem is doing the same thing Lee did, but again, S1 actually gave you a reason to want to care for Clem, instead of S2 and S3 there was no reason to care about Aj, he just a plot device.
And again, one of the biggest complaints about ANF was how much off screen shit there was. Yes, Clem cares about Aj, but the issue is there is a huge disconnect with Clem and the player in ANF. Just because Clem cares about Aj through shit the player never got experience because it was off screen, doesnt mean the player is going to care about Aj too.
I get it's fiction and all. And the decision to take care of Clem and AJ aren't equal whatsoever. However, the point I'm trying to get acros… mores is, we're in control of Lee, who then uses his free will to care for this child he does not know. Similar to Clem, who we also have control over does the exact same thing. They don't coexist?
Saying not wanting to take care of Aj is hypocritical due to enjoying the Lee and Clem dynamic makes no sense, because there is no Aj and Clem dynamic in S2 and S3. You arnt told you have to care for Clem in S1, it just naturally happens
Kinda how the AJ situation was handled? Not exactly the same, but still very similar. Like I stated above, Rebecca didn't grant Clementine to be AJ's guardian, or how you would put it...
it just naturally happens through the story and how they interact
No one told Lee or Clem to look after the children they come across - they just did it. How's that not … [view original content]
Okay again, this all pretty much comes down to the writers dont give you a reason to care about Aj, but they did for Clem. Sure you can argu… moree Clem is doing the same thing Lee did, but again, S1 actually gave you a reason to want to care for Clem, instead of S2 and S3 there was no reason to care about Aj, he just a plot device.
And again, one of the biggest complaints about ANF was how much off screen shit there was. Yes, Clem cares about Aj, but the issue is there is a huge disconnect with Clem and the player in ANF. Just because Clem cares about Aj through shit the player never got experience because it was off screen, doesnt mean the player is going to care about Aj too.
Let’s not pretend Kenny was a saint here. Even before Sarita’s death he was showing signs of irrationality. He may have lost stability after Sarita died, but him taking his anger out on the others was completely unacceptable. He gave Jane, Luke, and Bonnie a reason to act the way he did. Their actions didn’t result from nothing. Kenny set them off. They were all good people until he turned them ugly. They wouldn’t have done the things they had done had Kenny not pushed them to the edge.
If Jane didn't want to fight, then why did she decide to provoke him in the first place? She knew he was "unstable", was she expecting no pr… moreoblems when she did it? You can see how much of an idiot she can be by telling Clementine to stay out of it but ask for her help when Kenny tries to stab her. She could have easily told Kenny that AJ was still alive.
Also, she left AJ in a frozen car where he could have died. What if he didn't cry after the fight? Jane didn't even tell Clem the truth, she discovered it on her own.
Waving a loaded gun around to get to the bottom of a situation is a bit overkill in my book
Sometimes the only way to get answers is… more to scare them out of people
to be technical, it's Ben's fault why Carley died?
Yeah, because had he not traded with the bandits, he wouldn't have ran out of goods to give them in order to protect the motor inn, which means Lily wouldn't have accused anyone of stealing, therefor never being in the position to question who it was who stole.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm getting from all of this is, this plot device wasn't as actively on screen as Clem was in Season 1, so by not seeing him as often, you guys sorta crossed him out in your notes under "important to the storyline". Stop me when this is false.
Exactly. Clem has always been an actual character. AJ, on the other hand, spent his entire first two games as nothing more than a plot devic… moree that was forced onto Clem with no way to refuse. He may as well have been an autographed football or something.
Aren't people supposed to care about babies even though they don't talk/have a personality? Isn't that a thing humans do?
I cared about A… moreJ in the previous two seasons because my brain said: baby = protecc.
Now don't get me wrong, ANF was awful and AJ was barely in it. But that doesn't mean I wanted him to fucking die lol.
A plot device... This getting really old and annoying quicker than I thought. And since we're being technical about it, if Clem cares so much about this plot device-liability of a child, then screw her. Why should you go on playing as her? There's no doubt about her compassion towards him, and it looks final to me. So why continue to put up with this story? And all I continue to see is, no screen time, no dialogue, no real reason to care, but because she cares - we have to. Referring to @CarverDidNothingWrong...
Aren't people supposed to care about babies even though they don't talk/have a personality? Isn't that a thing humans do?
Okay again, this all pretty much comes down to the writers dont give you a reason to care about Aj, but they did for Clem. Sure you can argu… moree Clem is doing the same thing Lee did, but again, S1 actually gave you a reason to want to care for Clem, instead of S2 and S3 there was no reason to care about Aj, he just a plot device.
And again, one of the biggest complaints about ANF was how much off screen shit there was. Yes, Clem cares about Aj, but the issue is there is a huge disconnect with Clem and the player in ANF. Just because Clem cares about Aj through shit the player never got experience because it was off screen, doesnt mean the player is going to care about Aj too.
In both of their defenses, they should've never met in the first place. They couldn't agree on anything. I put this one on the writers for constantly seeking out to make Kenny look like this gruesome animal, who only wants to argue and make trouble. He had his way of seeing things for himself, and so did the Cabin group. It's fault on both sides. The Cabin group trying reluctantly to turn Clementine over to their sides and completely abandon Kenny. But the writers cleverly tests our loyalty. Luckily for me, I'm not that gullible, or easily swindled. Blame Telltale!!!
Let’s not pretend Kenny was a saint here. Even before Sarita’s death he was showing signs of irrationality. He may have lost stability after… more Sarita died, but him taking his anger out on the others was completely unacceptable. He gave Jane, Luke, and Bonnie a reason to act the way he did. Their actions didn’t result from nothing. Kenny set them off. They were all good people until he turned them ugly. They wouldn’t have done the things they had done had Kenny not pushed them to the edge.
But Bonnie and Mike also tried to steal all their supplies on top of that. Leaving is one thing. Stealing is quite another. Besides Bonnie and Mike's actions almost got Clem killed when Arvo shot her. Mistakes are as serious as the results they cause.
Let’s not pretend Kenny was a saint here. Even before Sarita’s death he was showing signs of irrationality. He may have lost stability after… more Sarita died, but him taking his anger out on the others was completely unacceptable. He gave Jane, Luke, and Bonnie a reason to act the way he did. Their actions didn’t result from nothing. Kenny set them off. They were all good people until he turned them ugly. They wouldn’t have done the things they had done had Kenny not pushed them to the edge.
But Bonnie and Mike also tried to steal all their supplies on top of that. Leaving is one thing. Stealing is quite another. Besides Bonnie a… morend Mike's actions almost got Clem killed when Arvo shot her. Mistakes are as serious as the results they cause.
I don't hate AJ, I just don't really care that much about him as the story wants me to.
And speaking of double standards, I find that the bigger one is that in Season 2 the story often probes the player to sell out Nick and Sarah for not being 'strong enough'...but at the same time they expect you to devote your entire life to a newborn baby that will be utterly helpless and fully incapable of looking after themselves for a good ten years, and will scream and cry loudly without warning in a zombie apocalypse.
Had Clementine been introduced in Season 2 instead of 1, the writers would likely have given her the same treatment as they did with Sarah.
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I'm speaking in general. Though most don't explain which season in particular their hate comes from. And again, in ANF, he was what, 3? I do agree a vague character isn't always pleasant, but still, ANF wasn't based around Clem & AJ's journey at all. Just bits and pieces of Season 2 on their journey. And what little we got, it was mostly Clem aiding to him and still finding her path, picking up where they left off in the previous season. And again, he was just a baby, why is it so hard to accept his arc? "Because he doesn't talk" or wasn't "developed" quick enough is what I'm served with throughout. I'd never consider him a burden, I look at AJ as just another character we happened to be place with in the apocalypse.
Green or Red apples?
Because he isnt a real baby is the best way to put it. This is a fictional story, writers have to make the audience care about their characters. Aj is a plot device plain and simple. Saying not wanting to take care of Aj is hypocritical due to enjoying the Lee and Clem dynamic makes no sense, because there is no Aj and Clem dynamic in S2 and S3. You arnt told you have to care for Clem in S1, it just naturally happens through the story and how they interact, inside of S2 and S3 where it just goes "You care about Aj, thats final" even though they don't interact in any meaningful way for me to care about what happens to him, other than "Uhhh you better."
How is this? Wait what? Doesn't someone trying to provoke a pointless battle just to prove something they only have "suspicions" about say a lot about them? She hasn't known Kenny or what he's been through over the years to call him a "time bomb". Who gives her the right?
Also trying to convince Clem to leave Sarah for dead to a mob of walkers. Which of course if you have no patience and do leave her for dead, she puts the blame and death on you. Killing herself because she was pregnant is justified? Why didn't Christa kill herself? Or Rebecca? Not to mention her "caution" for anyone who isn't Clementine. Seems fishy to me.
Jane was only trying to manipulate Clementine because she looked at her as a gullible kid and thought she didn't know any better than to think for herself. Nothing else but an easy target, "does what you say when you say it, no questions asked". There's no good in Jane. Anywhere.
Dangerous. That's why I left her in the first place lol. Lily had this chip on her shoulder ever since the day we met her. There's no lovable moments with her that'll make someone think twice about her. She's out for herself, to prove herself. And for what? To show dominance? There's a group you're apart of who's all for the good being of each other and she's worried most about who's supposed in charge instead of the obvious.
Alllrighty.
Wow thank you, I left some out but I said the exact same things
I wish I seen this before.
Hmph.
Uhhh.....somebody(ben) was stealing goods from the motor inn gang to give to the bandits. She had every right to have her gun waving.
True. Both met with strangers who risked their lives to look after them, guiding them into this new setting, aiding them, saving them multiple times too. Didn't really ask to be met with this responsibility, but y'know, sorta help them out anyway in any circumstance. Clem on the other hand, was older than AJ obviously. Kids her age are known to throw tantrums when they come across "monsters" trying to eat their face off. But she was cool about it all throughout the story though. You're right.
I guess that makes two of us amongst hundreds of thousands lol. After AJ was born, I felt the same way Kenny did. I didn't get to hold him, but I felt the connection and love. Instantly wanting to protecting him and teach someone new, and not letting him out of my sight. TFS will hopefully go smoothly with the naysayers, opening their eyes if you will.
This may be the dealbreaker for most players. Making him do the work for once instead of leading him. Even though that's how a team works, but hey, who needs them?
But not at everyone! I get the paranoia, but If she would've just let him speak as he tried to own up to it, we wouldn't have a casualty! And she'd be getting a ride in the RV!
Who's everyone? She only points her gun at Ben until Carly/Doug starts defending him
We might've. She probably would've shot Ben. Honestly, I don't think she should've been kicked out of the group. She's loyal.
I get it's fiction and all. And the decision to take care of Clem and AJ aren't equal whatsoever. However, the point I'm trying to get across is, we're in control of Lee, who then uses his free will to care for this child he does not know. Similar to Clem, who we also have control over does the exact same thing. They don't coexist?
Kinda how the AJ situation was handled? Not exactly the same, but still very similar. Like I stated above, Rebecca didn't grant Clementine to be AJ's guardian, or how you would put it...
No one told Lee or Clem to look after the children they come across - they just did it. How's that not the same? Because their relationship wasn't canon? How do you know how their relationship grows in Wellington? Just because Lee & Clementine were with each other for the majority of S1, and AJ & Clem's relationship weren't as on screen, doesn't mean the relationship is weak.
How are you justifying this?!? Lol. Waving a loaded gun around to get to the bottom of a situation is a bit overkill in my book. But to be technical, it's Ben's fault why Carley died?
Sometimes the only way to get answers is to scare them out of people
Yeah, because had he not traded with the bandits, he wouldn't have ran out of goods to give them in order to protect the motor inn, which means Lily wouldn't have accused anyone of stealing, therefor never being in the position to question who it was who stole.
All apples, Green, Red, Honeycrisp, Granny Smith. I find them all equally displeasing, it's more the texture than the taste.
Exactly. Clem has always been an actual character. AJ, on the other hand, spent his entire first two games as nothing more than a plot device that was forced onto Clem with no way to refuse. He may as well have been an autographed football or something.
"Wilson! I'm so sorry Wilson!"
Exactly. When it comes to emotional bonds, AJ doesn't really even compare to Lee.
And calling him a son of a bitch was definitely for the sake of self defense.
How does petty name calling comare to someone literally throwing their friends under the bus before they launch a coup d’état?
And if u hate Clementine you hate Lee.
If Jane didn't want to fight, then why did she decide to provoke him in the first place? She knew he was "unstable", was she expecting no problems when she did it? You can see how much of an idiot she can be by telling Clementine to stay out of it but ask for her help when Kenny tries to stab her. She could have easily told Kenny that AJ was still alive.
Also, she left AJ in a frozen car where he could have died. What if he didn't cry after the fight? Jane didn't even tell Clem the truth, she discovered it on her own.
Also Jane says "Let's put this crusty motherfucker finally out of his misery" or something like that
Aren't people supposed to care about babies even though they don't talk/have a personality? Isn't that a thing humans do?
I cared about AJ in the previous two seasons because my brain said: baby = protecc.
Now don't get me wrong, ANF was awful and AJ was barely in it. But that doesn't mean I wanted him to fucking die lol.
Okay again, this all pretty much comes down to the writers dont give you a reason to care about Aj, but they did for Clem. Sure you can argue Clem is doing the same thing Lee did, but again, S1 actually gave you a reason to want to care for Clem, instead of S2 and S3 there was no reason to care about Aj, he just a plot device.
And again, one of the biggest complaints about ANF was how much off screen shit there was. Yes, Clem cares about Aj, but the issue is there is a huge disconnect with Clem and the player in ANF. Just because Clem cares about Aj through shit the player never got experience because it was off screen, doesnt mean the player is going to care about Aj too.
Also thats one of the reasons ANF shouldve been about Clem in the first place
Let’s not pretend Kenny was a saint here. Even before Sarita’s death he was showing signs of irrationality. He may have lost stability after Sarita died, but him taking his anger out on the others was completely unacceptable. He gave Jane, Luke, and Bonnie a reason to act the way he did. Their actions didn’t result from nothing. Kenny set them off. They were all good people until he turned them ugly. They wouldn’t have done the things they had done had Kenny not pushed them to the edge.
That's exactly something she would say
she's holding you hostage.
I can take a hint.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm getting from all of this is, this plot device wasn't as actively on screen as Clem was in Season 1, so by not seeing him as often, you guys sorta crossed him out in your notes under "important to the storyline". Stop me when this is false.
Because he wasn't on screen as much?
It all makes sense now.
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Thank you fully sane person for being rational
At least you have morals 
A plot device... This getting really old and annoying quicker than I thought. And since we're being technical about it, if Clem cares so much about this plot device-liability of a child, then screw her. Why should you go on playing as her? There's no doubt about her compassion towards him, and it looks final to me. So why continue to put up with this story? And all I continue to see is, no screen time, no dialogue, no real reason to care, but because she cares - we have to. Referring to @CarverDidNothingWrong...
In both of their defenses, they should've never met in the first place. They couldn't agree on anything. I put this one on the writers for constantly seeking out to make Kenny look like this gruesome animal, who only wants to argue and make trouble. He had his way of seeing things for himself, and so did the Cabin group. It's fault on both sides. The Cabin group trying reluctantly to turn Clementine over to their sides and completely abandon Kenny. But the writers cleverly tests our loyalty. Luckily for me, I'm not that gullible, or easily swindled. Blame Telltale!!!
But Bonnie and Mike also tried to steal all their supplies on top of that. Leaving is one thing. Stealing is quite another. Besides Bonnie and Mike's actions almost got Clem killed when Arvo shot her. Mistakes are as serious as the results they cause.
And left Clem for dead too.
I don't hate AJ, I just don't really care that much about him as the story wants me to.
And speaking of double standards, I find that the bigger one is that in Season 2 the story often probes the player to sell out Nick and Sarah for not being 'strong enough'...but at the same time they expect you to devote your entire life to a newborn baby that will be utterly helpless and fully incapable of looking after themselves for a good ten years, and will scream and cry loudly without warning in a zombie apocalypse.
Had Clementine been introduced in Season 2 instead of 1, the writers would likely have given her the same treatment as they did with Sarah.