Pirates of the Caribbean Sequel Title Announced...
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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Official-Title-Pirates-Of-The-Caribbean-4-On-Stranger-Tides-14739.html
At the D23 Expo in Los Angeles this weekend, Disney is regaling journalists and fans with scoops about their upcoming projects as well as looks at memorabila from the old ones. They've also used the opportunity to announce the official title for one of the most anticipated movies they have coming out, the fourth Pirates of the Caribbean film.
So the fourth film, going into production soon, will be called Pirates of the Caribbean 4: On Stranger Tides.
Let the comparisons begin....
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EDIT: Let me rephrase that: For the love of all things good and holy NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12126
http://www.lucasforums.com/showpost.php?p=2671844&postcount=4
I only watched the first one. But I guess I'll agree with you.
I enjoyed the first film but found the second incredibly boring.
I enjoy the movies as well (3rd one was getting kind of dumb, though) and I kind of resent them for ripping off Monkey Island in some ways, but I agree with you. We need to deal with it. Nothing's going to change it anyway. Just pop the popcorn and enjoy the ride!
(no pun intended)
Fawful's post implies that Disney actually paid Powers and they have the rights for the ride, which is more than can be said for Lucasarts.
They'll have to - otherwise, it wouldn't make sense in the context of the first trilogy.
Yes, the third one could have done so much better of a job of wrapping up the series. That's why I hate it when movies and their sequels are shot back to back, like Dead Man's Chest and At World's End were. I like the way you think!
Yes, and it's not a question of money, because Lucasarts and Disney probably both pull in billions. But it's not really on Lucasarts, Ron credited On Stranger Tides for the "inspiration" but Monkey Island was NEVER a carbon copy of the book and only has some elements from it. So in reality, POTC 4 BEING the book in a way and Monkey Island being partially inspired by it is a massive coincidence, and an ironic one as Monkey Island was also inspired by the Disney ride.
However, if I hear "I'm Jack Sparrow, Mighty Pirate" in the movie theater, I'll leave.
I wasn't referring to the new movie, but all that tells me is that Disney decided to play the power game and buy the rites just so they could give LucasArts the raspberry and say "Haha! Now we have the rights and YOU'RE the copycats! Nyah nyah!"*
*much exaggeration.
Thank you for displaying my point in visual form.
A more accurate chart
not as accurate as it could be; The POTC ride inspired the film, did it not?
There, refresh your browser, I updated it
much better.
The chart doesn't display the fact that On Stranger Tides is literally the fourth movie now. Great display though; very very accurate, I agree with it.
However, I still refuse to say that POTC is a ripoff; I think its just a massive ironic coincidence and even if Ted Rossio(sp?) did get some ideas from the Monkey Island movie for the POTC script, that's perfectly natural, and you have to get your ideas from somewhere.
Sergio Leone got ideas for his westerns from John Ford westerns he saw as a child; the boulder scene in Indiana Jones is ripped off from an old Duck Tales comic; and the entire known Japanese Anime art style is based on old black and white Betty Boop cartoons.
Admittedly, there's not really a supernatural story involving pirates you couldn't relate to Monkey Island OR Pirates OR On Stranger Tides OR Treasure Island etc. To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if Pirates 5 WAS titled Pirates of the Caribbean - Treasure Island. That WOULD probably bother me, though.
Instead of calling it a rip off, you could arguably call it an adaption instead, the same way Treasure Planet isn't a rip off of Treasure Island, but an adaption. Monkey Island itself ripped complete ideas from Treasure Island, like Herman Toothrot, and a young man going on an adventure on a mostly deserted tropical island. I can't call these parodies because they were both treated with the same tone as they were in Treasure Island. In Treasure Island the old hermit(forgot his name) is played for comedic effect just like Herman, and the journey of the boy on the tropical island is treated as an adventure, just like in Monkey Island. In fact Herman's story is extremely similar to that of the hermit in Treasure Island.
Admittedly, one of the biggest reasons fans are so butthurt over the issue is because the POTC movie took away the probability of a Monkey Island movie ever being made. I'm not saying that's the reasoning of anyone on this forum though.
I'll see your head explosion, and raise you a molten brain.
On the bright side, that also means the book will finally go back into print. I was actually asking Bakka Phoenix Books - a bookstore that specializes in sci fi and fantasy - about On Stranger Tides last week, and they told me they hadn't had it in since around '97. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to order it off the net to be able to read this highly influential piece of work.
Eh, no. It wouldn't.
The reason I connected On Stranger Tides to it is because of the fact that it's the 4th movie, I didn't really feel a need to separate each film out to more specifically label it.
And I never said it was a ripoff, but you'd be crazy to say it wasn't inspired by Monkey Island. I mean come on, Jack and Will insult sword fight.
They will probably not follow the book and just take little pieces of it.
Insult swordfighting is an actually type of swordfighting where you can only WIN or gain the edge by successfully insulting the other party or hitting the other party with a successful comeback. The insults may or may not require rhyming, but they must be comedically related to one another.
Jack and Will swordfought stylistically while Jack commented and joked around the way his sly self usually does, and while expressing amazement and respect at Wills skill and craftsmanship. Jack didn't exchange hardly any if ANY insults, and Will only did because Jack is a pirate and Will hated pirates because he considered them scum. His dialog reflected his distaste and hatred for pirates. I kind of missed that about him in movies two and three.
Disney adapts Monkey Island script to make Pirates of the Caribbean. The movie is successful. Disney makes a sequel, but splits it into two movies. Again, the movies are successful. Having used all its Monkey Island material, Disney checks Grumpy Gamer to find more. Disney discovers the inspiration for Monkey Island: "On Stranger Tides." Disney makes a third movie. The movie is successful.
My guess is that someday there will be "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Pox of Barbossa." Not that I'm complaining—original movies are pretty rare.
(And just for the record, I enjoyed the first movie a lot, but I pretend the second and third don't exist.)
I loved the first movie to death, but I don't hate the second and third like a lot of people seem to. They're popcorny fun, certainly not as excellent as the first film, but it's always fun to see Jack having crazy over the top adventures.
Actually, my problem with the sequels was mostly because it was a lot less about Jack having crazy adventures. It was more about the fact that he happened to be involved in Will and Lizzie's crazy adventures. They really should've let those two kids go off an have a happy normal family after the first film and find some new victims for Jack to manipulate.
Looking at the pictures i wonder which work influenced On Stranger Tides, otherwise it looks kind of simple.
And any fans of Alan Moore's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen series? (The comic book series, not that movie), There was a version of the team, it was a pirate team. I'll have to dig up my books. I believe in the pic, Hook was giving Guybrush a dirty look.
(From http://en.allexperts.com/e/t/th/the_league_of_extraordinary_gentlemen.htm)
Early 18th Century League (the Pirates League)
There was at some point in the 18th century, a gathering of pirates that may or may not be a league. First mentioned in the Almanac, the exact details of this gathering where never stated but it must be noted that the pirate Captain Clegg, the one who gathered this group together, was affiliated with the later league assembled by Lemuel Gulliver.
* Long John Silver. The brutal yet strangely paternal pirate from Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island and two sequels written by other authors.
* Captain Blood rumoured to be the greatest buccaneer of them all. From Captain Blood by Rafael Sabatini.
* Captain Slaughterboard and his yellow bunkmate. The homosexual pirate first appeared in Captain Slaughterboard Drops Anchor by Mervyn Peake.
* Captain Pugwash the mighty Pirate whose name was enough to strike fear into the heart of any sea-faring captain. From Eagle Comics and many animated TV shows.
* Captain Hook archenemy of Peter Pan who lost his hand to a crocodile. He's from Peter Pan by James M. Barrie.
* Captain Pissgums from Zap Comics and many animated TV shows.
* There are two unidentified pirates. It's been theorised that they may be Guybrush Threepwood, the protagonist in the Monkey Island series of pirate-themed classic computer games by LucasArts, and The King of the Pirates from Gilbert and Sullivan's The Pirates of Penzance. Also in the promotional material for the Black Dossier there is a picture of a female pirate who may have been the leader of this League, assuming that all the Leagues are led by women like the late 19th century league was. This is possibly Pirate Jenny. Interestingly the song by Brecht mentions a Black Freighter.