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anyone think that tales might introduce the first openly gay charecter in MI

coolsomecoolsome
edited October 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
I sorta get the vibe from the adult themed jokes and ennuendos (not a hate post I love thoes jokes ^^) that they might introudce an openly gay charecter unless they allready did with DeSinge..or the merfolk
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  • LowMoralFiberLowMoralFiber
    edited October 2009
    Not to mention the case you could make for Van Winslow!!!
  • TakunTakun
    edited October 2009
    LowMoralFiber wrote: »
    Not to mention the case you could make for Van Winslow!!!

    "To the Isle of Ewe!"
    "Ahem.. maybe we should discuss this later, Captain?"
  • WoodsyblueWoodsyblue
    edited October 2009
    I doubt Van Winslow is gay. If anything he'd like The Todd on Scrubs, open for anything. And I mean anything!
  • TakunTakun
    edited October 2009
    Woodsyblue wrote: »
    I doubt Van Winslow is gay. If anything he'd like The Todd on Scrubs, open for anything. And I mean anything!

    Good point, and he's seen pretty much anything and everything too. I forget now but something I triggered once had him "racall a time with a comely wench, that...". Guybrush quickly put in he didn't want to know the details.
  • StansCoffinsStansCoffins
    edited October 2009
    Okay, why not? I think this whole era of keeping gay people away from any film/TV shows/games that kids might be seeing needs to end. It's really not something that should be hidden away and treated as taboo.
  • SilverwolfpetSilverwolfpet
    edited October 2009
    True, but the character shouldn't be designed as what people called "typical" (pink clothes, feminine gestures and butterfly wings). It's just a wrong impression.
  • Lennie MelvinLennie Melvin
    edited October 2009
    I heard that Herman Toothrot was gay.
  • yoshiwamyoshiwam
    edited October 2009
    Indeed there are a lot of gay stereotypes in the realm of monkey island (Anemone "Hello Sailor :3", Perfume dude from EMI, Cabana Boy [sweater around the neck], even the harbor lady from EMI got some whole-lotta-lesbo going on >__> )
    But taking the whole "gay" subject seriously doesn't sell well in games-industry, but including some stereotypes might be experienced as "funny", but the rest just gets way too close and real, which people usually do not prefer if they're not comfortable with the gays to begin with
  • SilverwolfpetSilverwolfpet
    edited October 2009
    Hm, from a commercial point of view, it's probably better not to risk anything, but giving hints and causing rumours and vague personality-images can be funny, if you do it the right way.

    I really didn't know what to make of the first episode of the Naruto series. I couldn't understand it from a writer's point of view. You know what I mean?
  • yoshiwamyoshiwam
    edited October 2009
    Still, it -would- be rather illogical to refrain "the gay" from a pirate game xD they regularly... shivered each others timbers? : o
    Silverwolfpet wrote:
    Hm, from a commercial point of view, it's probably better not to risk anything, but giving hints and causing rumours and vague personality-images can be funny, if you do it the right way.
    Hmn, if you want to include rumours and vague signs instead of stereotype characteristics it would seem more like some form of mockery towards the subject xD
    that's not gonna help x3
    still, maybe -anything- gay is even illegal in some countries
    (Warnings! Rated Not Hallal)
  • KatsuroKatsuro
    edited October 2009
    Silverwolfpet wrote: »
    Hm, from a commercial point of view, it's probably better not to risk anything, but giving hints and causing rumours and vague personality-images can be funny, if you do it the right way.

    I really didn't know what to make of the first episode of the Naruto series. I couldn't understand it from a writer's point of view. You know what I mean?

    BELIEVE IT!!


    As far as I remember the MI games have always made funny sidenotes on the "sexual preferences" of certain characters. Though what didn't happen yet is that the game openly yelled it out.
    Also it seemed those "sidenotes" were never to be taken seriously. They never seemed to be more than just a practical joke (like for example
    the bra from Largo) in MI 2
    )
    I think in ToMI people are reading way to much into (for example) the "Isle of Ewe" joke or the dialogue with the merpeople.
  • SilverwolfpetSilverwolfpet
    edited October 2009
    Katsuro wrote: »
    I think in ToMI people are reading way to much into (for example) the "Isle of Ewe" joke or the dialogue with the merpeople.

    My belly hurt of laughing hard at the "Isle of Ewe" joke, totally unexpected!
  • FuryFury
    edited October 2009
    I dunno if MI is a game that really deals with sexuality in more than a joking sense.

    But maybe?
  • yoshiwamyoshiwam
    edited October 2009
    Now that TellTale is actually adding some 'romantic depth' into the Monkey Island series, I wouldn't know what to expect :3
  • ShwooShwoo
    edited October 2009
    I assumed Winslow was gay, more from the comment about needing a fake wife in Lair of the Leviathan than the Isle of Ewe thing. I don't think I heard the comely wench line. Maybe he's bisexual?

    I don't expect the silly pirate series to deal with sexuality in depth, but non straight characters are an enjoyable bonus.

    By the way, man who likes to wear women's clothing isn't necessarily gay. Most transvestites are straight.
  • Lennie MelvinLennie Melvin
    edited October 2009
    Shwoo wrote: »
    By the way, man who likes to wear women's clothing isn't necessarily gay. Most transvestites are straight.

    guybrush22.gif

    That clears everything up nicely.
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited October 2009
    Woodsyblue wrote: »
    I doubt Van Winslow is gay. If anything he'd like The Todd on Scrubs, open for anything. And I mean anything!

    He has seen some preety nasty things between bed sheets. :p
  • DeLucaDeLuca
    edited October 2009
    I laughed out loud when someone above said

    "if they are comfortable with the gays"

    anywayyy

    I don't think they need to explicitly state that it is one way or another, but perhaps a same sex relationship will come up. As it is a computer game I see it happening with two girls before two guys but you never know, the MI fanbase seems to be pretty open minded. I would be happy to see either CASUALLY inserted and not made fun of. They could be FUNNY but I would hope they didn't mock.

    In all reality though they will probably stay away from it.

    ...though the lady at the docks in EMI / The Game the Shall Not Be Named was deffo a lesbo
  • LogicDeLuxeLogicDeLuxe
    edited October 2009
    yoshiwam wrote: »
    But taking the whole "gay" subject seriously doesn't sell well in games-industry
    What about Sims? They are coded to be bisexual, with the exception of Nintendo versions. It didn't stop them from having several addons sold and a successor as well.
    Lennie Melvin wrote: »
    That clears everything up nicely.
    I really never though about that scene in that way. Clearly by the comment when he ditches the dress, he did find this humiliating. It was just the only way to reach his beloved. In a sexual sense, though, the guard seemed to find him attractive that way.
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited October 2009
    DeLuca wrote: »
    ...though the lady at the docks in EMI / The Game the Shall Not Be Named was deffo a lesbo

    wait I thought she and Otis where bumping very uglys when you return to melee and find otis in her offace and Guybrush doesnt want to know what they where doing
  • KatsuroKatsuro
    edited October 2009
    LogicDeLuxe wrote: »
    In a sexual sense, though, the guard seemed to find him attractive that way.

    Tho I think (like mentioned in another posting) that we only read it into that joke, because now we can do that kind of connection. That kind of humor makes a game/movie timeless.
    I'll take the dress scene with guybrush as an example:

    As a kid I found it funny because he was looking forward to a cool costume (also with the other costumes hanging around in the shop you don't expect it). The fact that he (a pirate) had to run around in a pink dress (back then -> Princess =/= Pirate) was hilarious. Today I could draw the connection to a more "grown up" joke. Whatever that would be.
    Its a joke one more than just one layer.
  • yoshiwamyoshiwam
    edited October 2009
    LogicDeLuxe wrote:
    What about Sims? They are coded to be bisexual, with the exception of Nintendo versions. It didn't stop them from having several addons sold and a successor as well.
    This concept is modulair enough to establish same-sex relationships, but merely because of "user-input". These sort of relationships is easily avoided by people who do not have any interest in homosexuality (and will practically be non-existent, merely somewhere un-triggered in the code, like dust you swept under the carpet).

    For games with a storyline and other static/fixed properties, homosexuality is less likely to pop up

    I can remember one game with a homo...but lulz, he died within 20 minutes ^^;; he got smashed by a big lump of ice... geez, that's another way to add gay to gaming >__>;;;
  • balin2kbalin2k
    edited October 2009
    it would be funny to find out that stan was gay all along. like for some reason guybrush is trying to distract stan like he did with the 2 pirates in chapter 2.

    guybrush: 'hey stan look over there theres a girl with a really low cut top on!
    stan:' im gay..'
    guybrush:' oh..i meant to say a guy with an awesome six-pack sun bathing'
    stan:' where!'
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited October 2009
    balin2k wrote: »
    it would be funny to find out that stan was gay all along. like for some reason guybrush is trying to distract stan like he did with the 2 pirates in chapter 2.

    guybrush: 'hey stan look over there theres a girl with a really low cut top on!
    stan:' im gay..'
    guybrush:' oh..i meant to say a guy with an awesome six-pack sun bathing'
    stan:' where!'

    but he has a wife in CMI who looks like the girl whos picture who came with the frame...and he gets super defenceve about it hmm...
  • balin2kbalin2k
    edited October 2009
    Sailorcuteness wrote: »
    but he has a wife in CMI who looks like the girl whos picture who came with the frame...and he gets super defenceve about it hmm...

    maybe its all a front. like stan said that time in the coffin made him think his about life...
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited October 2009
    I think a better idea would to be for Elaine to experiment before going back to him with Morgan.
  • MatakuMataku
    edited October 2009
    I always thought Wally was probably gay :P


    edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771-rg19mUA
  • doodo!doodo!
    edited October 2009
    doodo! wrote: »
    I think a better idea would to be for Elaine to experiment before going back to him with Morgan.

    Yes, she could teach her some sword play!
  • balin2kbalin2k
    edited October 2009
    Mataku wrote: »
    I always thought Wally was probably gay :P


    edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771-rg19mUA

    lol i rember seeing this. made me LOL!
    I think a better idea would to be for Elaine to experiment before going back to him with Morgan

    maybe a threeway relationship? LOL :P
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited October 2009
    balin2k wrote: »
    maybe its all a front. like stan said that time in the coffin made him think his about life...

    so he was coming out the casket?
  • balin2kbalin2k
    edited October 2009
    Sailorcuteness wrote: »
    so he was coming out the casket?

    ohh cleaver LOL :P
  • JedExodusJedExodus
    edited October 2009
    It's better just to imply someone's gay. If you have an openly gay character then you lose a lot of the humour
  • eskimoeskimo
    edited October 2009
    I don't see the need. These games are highly entertaining without touching on what is often political hot buttons.
  • thatdude98thatdude98
    edited October 2009
    if they did, there goes my interest of the series. Seriously. I already don't like the "adult" humor they already have. If they introduced a gay character... just no. Absolutely freaking not.
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited October 2009
    thatdude98 wrote: »
    if they did, there goes my interest of the series. Seriously. I already don't like the "adult" humor they already have. If they introduced a gay character... just no. Absolutely freaking not.

    I don't see why one gay charecter to like 100s of straight could hurt the franchise
  • darknessofheartdarknessofheart
    edited October 2009
    I'd say no for the simple fact that it would bring out all the homophobes. You know the "I'm so straight because I hate gay people" types and of course the ones who think that it's the end of the world for showing diversity in a lighthearted manner. I have no problem if they do, but I don't think it would be worth it once all the bashes come out. It's a sad fact that people waste so much hatred and anger on people simply because of their sexual orientation and most of the time they do it because they are still hiding their own.

    Okay, this is getting too in depth for a Monkey Island conversation. Let's talk more lightheartedly.
  • yoshiwamyoshiwam
    edited October 2009
    Still, adding gay to games can be very lucrative for small (indie?) game studio's. Most of the gay/lesbian people I know are gamers as well (mostly hardcore gamers, Smash Bros Brawl, WoW, ESPECIALLY Namco Tales and such, non casual). This fact could create a lot of interest in the gaygamer-community since gay-themed stories are so rare.
  • KromsKroms
    edited October 2009
    Question: Has there ever been a gay main character in a video game? Why not?
  • ConCon
    edited October 2009
    Mataku wrote: »
    I always thought Wally was probably gay :P


    edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=771-rg19mUA

    Ohh...priceless :D
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited October 2009
    Kroms wrote: »
    Question: Has there ever been a gay main character in a video game? It's something I've been thinking about.

    hey if there isnt any then TTG this is the perfect time to make an oringal IE game with main character being gay and geting a place in history :)
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