I started a thread on this, but it deserves a mention here too, I think. Dave Grossman gave an interview in the new issue of Nintendo Power with some pretty decent chapter 5 spoilers in it. Here are the scans:
First and most obviously, Guybrush is going to team up with Morgan to escape the Land of the Undead. And it hadn't occurred to me until someone else said it, but the Marquis might make an appearance there as well, though I seriously doubt he'll be leaving with them.
As for the pirate god, the line about "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy" indicates to me that somehow LeChuck is going to become the Pirate God. Maybe.
Also, now that the pox is cured, I'm thinking that Guybrush's hand died and he'll be meeting up with it in the Land of the Undead.
I started a thread on this, but it deserves a mention here too, I think. Dave Grossman gave an interview in the new issue of Nintendo Power with some pretty decent chapter 5 spoilers in it. Here are the scans:
First and most obviously, Guybrush is going to team up with Morgan to escape the Land of the Undead. And it hadn't occurred to me until someone else said it, but the Marquis might make an appearance there as well, though I seriously doubt he'll be leaving with them.
As for the pirate god, the line about "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy" indicates to me that somehow LeChuck is going to become the Pirate God. Maybe.
Also, now that the pox is cured, I'm thinking that Guybrush's hand died and he'll be meeting up with it in the Land of the Undead.
Holy crap! Check out that artwork of Flotsam Island. It's better than a Bill Tiller drawing! Any chance we could see the high-res of that, Telltale?
Holy crap! Check out that artwork of Flotsam Island. It's better than a Bill Tiller drawing! Any chance we could see the high-res of that, Telltale?
If you look at it, the buildings are all wrong. It does look like Flotsam, but it also looks like early concept art. And yes, it does look magnificent.
Also, I just had a couple more thoughts about that article.
First, it's possible that LeChuck either is the pirate god or made a deal with the pirate god in exchange for power.
Second, it's possible that while Morgan will appear in the episode, she won't be returned to life. It's possible that her "shining moment" of the episode is when she sacrifices herself and remains in the Land of the Undead in order to allow Guybrush to get out. Hopefully not, though. I really like Morgan.
I have this feeling Guybrush's hand is far more important than any of us could think.
Also, my theory on the final chapter:
It starts with Guybrush standing up in a completely bright room, apparently having been lying down on the floor. He then looks around, stares at the camera, and then says:
"Hi, my name is Dominic Armato, the voice of Guybrush Threepwood. Today we're going to show you the process behind the making of Tales of Monkey Island."
It starts with Guybrush standing up in a completely bright room, apparently having been lying down on the floor. He then looks around, stares at the camera, and then says:
"Hi, my name is Dominic Armato, the voice of Guybrush Threepwood. Today we're going to show you the process behind the making of Tales of Monkey Island."
Unfortunately, no one can tell you how a Monkey Island game is made, you have to see it for yourself....
So far we can see that it's mostly either 2 people
Lechuck, do to all the voodoo he's absorbing... Or Guybrush do to his death and coming back alive with Morgan.. being powerful?
Well, when we think about it....
at the end of chapter 4 Lechuck did absorb the voodoo, yes, but he became the same in chapter 1... And when you think of it logically, the pox came from Lechuck that is now being put back in him. So wouldn't that be about the same amount? Unless it grows when taking over a person. So it's possible that Lechuck isn't the pirate god
My Theories:
- LeChuck's the pirate god.
- Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.
- "meaningful and emotionally take on insult swordfighting" Maybe it becomes deadly in the underworld to the point where you have to insult them where it personally destroys their ego/spirit?
- The monkeys LeChuck put around the Caribbean involve his voodoo spell rise as a pirate god.
- "[Guybrush] shatters a cycle he's been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything everything you think you know about Monkey Island."
Makes me think one of two things: LeChuck is finally destroyed for good. Maybe even the Voodoo Lady kicks the bucket. OR. My crazy pet theory about Guybrush being in a coma is actually one step closer to becoming a possibility.
If they're describing Ch.4 as "coming together" and Ch.5 as "Horrible things will happen!" then HOLY CRAP I'M PSYCHED!
Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.
Maybe we'll get to meet Meathook's hands and Hemlock McGee's legs?
Seriously, though, maybe Captain Marley's dead crew. Or Minnie Goodsoup and Charles DeGoulash. Perhaps Guybrush's parents? Oh, and don't forget Herman Toothrot's dead friend! That reminds me, we don't know if the vegetarian cannibals survived the eruption of Mt. Acidophilus, or if the Lost Welshman remained in the world of the living after getting lost in the mist again. Oh, and there's always the members of the Plunder Island Naturalist Society who died in the giant snake and the quicksand.
A great gag would be if Governor Phatt was there, having had a massive heart attack.
I started a thread on this, but it deserves a mention here too, I think. Dave Grossman gave an interview in the new issue of Nintendo Power with some pretty decent chapter 5 spoilers in it. Here are the scans:
TT wouldn't be foolish enough to make the Voodoo Lady the Pirate God.
Than it would be a ripoff of PotC3.
Which would be kind of funny, considering that Pirates of the Caribbean is a rip-off of the Monkey Island games which were inspired by the ride... In any case, I agree, that would be meh.
Or the rest of Heathook, or The foul smelling pirate or the swordmaster, thanks to an carelessly placed boulder.
Are you referring to sinking the Mad Monkey in the first game? Because both the ending (if you sink it, otherwise you see Herman Toothrot) and the fourth game show that all three survived that but were marooned on Monkey Island.
My Theories:
- LeChuck's the pirate god.
- Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.
- "meaningful and emotionally take on insult swordfighting" Maybe it becomes deadly in the underworld to the point where you have to insult them where it personally destroys their ego/spirit?
- The monkeys LeChuck put around the Caribbean involve his voodoo spell rise as a pirate god.
- "[Guybrush] shatters a cycle he's been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything everything you think you know about Monkey Island."
Makes me think one of two things: LeChuck is finally destroyed for good. Maybe even the Voodoo Lady kicks the bucket. OR. My crazy pet theory about Guybrush being in a coma is actually one step closer to becoming a possibility.
If they're describing Ch.4 as "coming together" and Ch.5 as "Horrible things will happen!" then HOLY CRAP I'M PSYCHED!
I fully agree with you about this. I also have a feeling though that this cycle Guybrush breaks might be never finding the secret of monkey island, and we'll finally find out!
Could this breaking the cycle thing be related to LeChuck's claim that the Voodoo Lady is behind it all? I mean, LeChuck might have been lying, but she never denied it, so it's possible he was telling the truth after all.
Maybe Guybrush is finally breaking free from her control.
Which would be kind of funny, considering that Pirates of the Caribbean is a rip-off of the Monkey Island games which were inspired by the ride... In any case, I agree, that would be meh.
For the record the PotC movies are in no way a rip-off of the MI series. It might be fair to say that the one might have influenced the other. There are unique elements of MI that could reasonably be taken as having been "ripped off" by the PotC movies, but overall the movies and the MI series are drastically, dramatically different.
As Wolfshifter said the MI series was originally inspired by the PotC ride at Disney World. The movies also took their inspiration primarily from the ride. It doesn't mean they all ripped each other off. Sure they share similar themes, ideas, elements, etc. but that does not constitute the "ripping off" of something.
For example to me the movie "War of the Worlds" (2005) is a rip-off of the storyline (The War of the Worlds) by H.G. Wells. Those who have read the book will know what I mean. Basically Spielburg took the alien robots, modified them slightly, threw the rest of the book straight into the waste bin and said, "Look at what I can do!" I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.
So I have a clear understanding of what a ripping off is. PotC (the films) did not in any way claim to be MI:The Movie. None of the characters are in and of themselves Guybrush Threepwood. None of the characters are a clone of Elaine Marley. Barbosa closely mirrors the idea of LeChuck (physically) but what about his motives? Barbosa was driven entirely by greed. LeChuck at least originally set out to solve The Secret of Monkey Island™ as a way of winning over (then) Gov. Marley.
Just because there are similarities, just because connections can be made, and so forth, this does not mean PotC was a rip-off of MI. It never was. It's probably the closest we'll ever see to MI:The [Live-Action] Movie, but that's okay. I love PotC for what it is. Just as I love MI for what it is. And they are both quite different.
The reason the Voodoo Lady cannot be the pirate god is because she is not a pirate. If she were she would have been affected by the pox. The only pirate not affected by the pox was LeChuck and that's because it is from him that it originated. The evil mojo was expunged from his body, effectively immunizing him from the plague unleashed upon the rest of the Caribbean. It's the same reason Morgan cannot rise as the pirate god.
Not to mention the simple fact of "god" being a gender-specific noun. If the "pirate god" were a female it wouldn't be a pirate "god". It would be a pirate "goddess".
Also the interview which has already been labeled as spoiler-ific reveals this:
"the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy"
. So basically:
MI throughout the series have had very few characters actually revealed as "bad guys". LeChuck of course being the most prominent, then the Marquis De Singe, Ozzie Mandrill, Largo LeGrande, and the Voodoo Priest serving LeChuck (in LCR). Those are the only characters ever really revealed as being "bad guys" or having evil intent. The Voodoo Priest I only added coz of DC who I don't think even comes here. :P So unless TT is planning on not only introducing a brand new bad guy, but also making them the ultimate bad guy all within this next episode, it has to be one of these characters. Period.
Now I think most people
(especially given the above information)
are of the impression that LeChuck will rise as the pirate god. This is my impression too, though De Singe might make a come-back. Death never stopped LeChuck.
Could this breaking the cycle thing be related to LeChuck's claim that the Voodoo Lady is behind it all? I mean, LeChuck might have been lying, but she never denied it, so it's possible he was telling the truth after all.
Maybe Guybrush is finally breaking free from her control.
That's what I'm thinking, too. Just the fact that she doesn't deny it is what gets to me. If LeChuck WAS lying, she was still being manipulative by making Guybrush think he was telling the truth. She's always the one who points Guybrush in the direction he needs to go, and after the main trio she's probably the most prominent character/part of the plot in the entire series.
For the record the PotC movies are in no way a rip-off of the MI series. It might be fair to say that the one might have influenced the other. There are unique elements of MI that could reasonably be taken as having been "ripped off" by the PotC movies, but overall the movies and the MI series are drastically, dramatically different.
As Wolfshifter said the MI series was originally inspired by the PotC ride at Disney World. The movies also took their inspiration primarily from the ride. It doesn't mean they all ripped each other off. Sure they share similar themes, ideas, elements, etc. but that does not constitute the "ripping off" of something.
For example to me the movie "War of the Worlds" (2005) is a rip-off of the storyline (The War of the Worlds) by H.G. Wells. Those who have read the book will know what I mean. Basically Spielburg took the alien robots, modified them slightly, threw the rest of the book straight into the waste bin and said, "Look at what I can do!" I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.
So I have a clear understanding of what a ripping off is. PotC (the films) did not in any way claim to be MI:The Movie. None of the characters are in and of themselves Guybrush Threepwood. None of the characters are a clone of Elaine Marley. Barbosa closely mirrors the idea of LeChuck (physically) but what about his motives? Barbosa was driven entirely by greed. LeChuck at least originally set out to solve The Secret of Monkey Island™ as a way of winning over (then) Gov. Marley.
Just because there are similarities, just because connections can be made, and so forth, this does not mean PotC was a rip-off of MI. It never was. It's probably the closest we'll ever see to MI:The [Live-Action] Movie, but that's okay. I love PotC for what it is. Just as I love MI for what it is. And they are both quite different.
The reason the Voodoo Lady cannot be the pirate god is because she is not a pirate. If she were she would have been affected by the pox. The only pirate not affected by the pox was LeChuck and that's because it is from him that it originated. The evil mojo was expunged from his body, effectively immunizing him from the plague unleashed upon the rest of the Caribbean. It's the same reason Morgan cannot rise as the pirate god.
Not to mention the simple fact of "god" being a gender-specific noun. If the "pirate god" were a female it wouldn't be a pirate "god". It would be a pirate "goddess".
Also the interview which has already been labeled as spoiler-ific reveals this:
"the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy"
. So basically:
MI throughout the series have had very few characters actually revealed as "bad guys". LeChuck of course being the most prominent, then the Marquis De Singe, Ozzie Mandrill, Largo LeGrande, and the Voodoo Priest serving LeChuck (in LCR). Those are the only characters ever really revealed as being "bad guys" or having evil intent. The Voodoo Priest I only added coz of DC who I don't think even comes here. :P So unless TT is planning on not only introducing a brand new bad guy, but also making them the ultimate bad guy all within this next episode, it has to be one of these characters. Period.
Now I think most people
(especially given the above information)
are of the impression that LeChuck will rise as the pirate god. This is my impression too, though De Singe might make a come-back. Death never stopped LeChuck.
That's enough ranting for now. :cool:
It depends what you call a rip-off. PotC used some writers etc. who were working on the doomed MI cartoon, and by the sounds of a few interviews some of the story in PotC is taken pretty much straight from that project.
I'm not saying PotC is bad, or a clone of MI.
"How will Guybrush get back and defeat the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy?"
"In episode five you'll see how Guybrush climbs his way out of the worst situation he has ever been put in and manages to shatter a cycle that he has been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything you think you know about Monkey Island."
"And we did set up one very cool ending...when we sat down with [original Secret of Monkey Island creator] Ron Gilbert. People will be very happy with how that comes across. It will cement Elaine and Guybrush as the power couple of the Caribbean."
Regarding the first quote:
If Guybrush has to "get back" to defeat someone who's become an "ultimate, ultimate bad guy," then seems logical to me that Guybrush will spend most of chapter five trying to get back from the "Land of the Dead" to defeat the re-demonized LeChuck.
About the second quote:
There are only three cycles that Guybrush has been on since the very first Monkey Island game: (1) Defeating LeChuck and (2) saving Elaine, and (3) receiving quests from the Voodoo Lady. If one of these cycles is about to shatter, then it will likely be receiving quests from the Voodoo Lady.
And finally, the third quote:
I have no idea what this means. Guybrush and Elaine are already married, so how can you cement them as "the power couple of the caribbean?"
I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.
Considering that he only managed to write the very first draft of the initial script before dying from a heart attack, and considering how many changes a script can go from one stage to the next (as in, it can be completely rewritten), I'm guessing he didn't have as much influence on the film as they may claim. The studio executives probably drove him to heart attack with all the changes they wanted, and then took his death as an oppurtunity to do so, but that's just theorycrafting on my part.
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread, carry on.
On a side note... there isn't a voodoo lady on the PotC ride. So, there isn't a swampy voodoo shack out on stilts in the swamp. Nor is there a coffin-boat. Or fruit-loving cannibals. While the ride is fun, it isn't exactly funny. Just sayin'.
Anyway... I for one hope that the monkeys and Elaine keep all the root-beer away from LeChuck in episode 5.
The very last episode cannot take place in the afterlife for a long time. Most of the game probably has to be spent alive.
Unless...
Guybrush has the chance to do everything right from the start, he gets sent back in time to do it all right, by not showboating in the first place. This however does have the strange side-effect of Morgan LeFlay not meeting her biggest idol. Also, there were some other small things that need to be resolved in the last game in the land of the living.
The very last episode cannot take place in the afterlife for a long time. Most of the game probably has to be spent alive.
Huh? Why not? I think the majority of it will be spent
in the Land of the Dead. I mean, you're right, there has to be some resolution in the "land of the living, but I think this will come at the very end of chapter five.
First of all, the return of LeChuck. It can't be all that easy to find something in the afterlife that could kill LeChuck. It is quite possible he goes trough some land of the living to even find the ingredients for it. There has to be some conflict to even get the means to kill LeChuck. Second, the purpose of all the things done by the antagonist. Aside from dealing with LeChuck, Guybrush also has to take care of the monkeys. There is a huge possibility LeChuck has rigged them monkeys with something bad, and Guybrush can't outright kill them. Finally, I'm going to bed to think up the final point I wanted to make.
well I'm really hoping they include Morgan in chapter 5 seeing how she's played a big part in the last three chapters. Despite hating her at the end of chapter 3, I could see how she was fighting her demons in Chapter 4 and felt terrible for what she had done. And when she tried to help Guybrush by getting his hand back, she ends up dying for it. I don't expect her to end up with Guybrush romantically but she could at least come back and be his friend or ally. And yes I'm still wondering how true LeChuck's journal about the voodoo lady was.
Maybe you have to switch between Guybrush and Elaine. It might not be a willing thing, though. One moment, you could be battling LeChuck, and the next it's a "meanwhile, this is happening" and all of a sudden, you're Guybrush again.
Or at least it'll give us a few cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine fighting.
I really like the idea of the "Land of the Dead". Just as long as it's less like "What's New Beelzebub?" and more like the monkey-head cave in SoMI.
I think Morgan will play a big role in this episode. But if her body was gone, it makes me wonder if you'll actually see her in the Land of the Dead, or if she's actually still alive. It'd be quite a twist if she hasn't died and has to team up with Elaine.
i don't know if this belongs here but i just noticed that the name of the "pirate god" mentioned by the voodoo lady is NOR TREBLIG. ron gilbert spelled backwards. heh. mind-blowing. maybe ron gilbert is the pirate god in the 5th episode?
Maybe you have to switch between Guybrush and Elaine. It might not be a willing thing, though. One moment, you could be battling LeChuck, and the next it's a "meanwhile, this is happening" and all of a sudden, you're Guybrush again.
Or at least it'll give us a few cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine fighting.
I really like the idea of the "Land of the Dead". Just as long as it's less like "What's New Beelzebub?" and more like the monkey-head cave in SoMI.
I think Morgan will play a big role in this episode. But if her body was gone, it makes me wonder if you'll actually see her in the Land of the Dead, or if she's actually still alive. It'd be quite a twist if she hasn't died and has to team up with Elaine.
From what I understand, the Land of the Undead is supposed to have a pretty good voodoo theme to it. At least, that's the impression the interview gave me. Too bad that means a Manny Calavera cameo would feel terribly out of place there, but on the other hand, that would've felt out of place to me anyway.
Ron Gilbert said many times that the secret is HIS to reveal should he make a Monkey Island game again and of course in recent interview he did say that he would LOVE to make another Monkey Island game which might mean that MI5 might be finally Ron Gilberts with Lucasarts. In any case it was said many times that Tales of MI take place after the hypothetical MI5 which is what Ron Gilbert brainstormed in early sessions. Now it is said that Ron gave his input as to the ending of the 5th chapter. At least they should add a smirky line in the dialogue saying if its Ron Gilberts' true Secret of Monkey Island should they reveal anything groundbreaking or not. In any case the series get better everytime and well done to TellTales.
I don't know if this is considered spoilers but it's about LeChuck.
I'm wondering if this will be the final end of LeChuck.
I hope not.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but I also can't imagine them doing that. The whole series is about Guybrush vs. LeChuck. You can't break that cycle without breaking the series.
It's not a good idea to let the series drag on past it's natural end, so maybe they really are going for a grand finale here. But I doubt it--I don't think LucasArtswould let them.
I hope so, anyway. Natural end or not, I wants me more Monkey Island.
i don't know if this belongs here but i just noticed that the name of the "pirate god" mentioned by the voodoo lady is NOR TREBLIG. Ron Gilbert spelled backwards. heh. mind-blowing.
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I really wouldn't mind if we haven't seen the last of him, though.
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Here's my take on it.
As for the pirate god, the line about "the ultimate bad guy, who's really now an ultimate, ultimate bad guy" indicates to me that somehow LeChuck is going to become the Pirate God. Maybe.
Also, now that the pox is cured, I'm thinking that Guybrush's hand died and he'll be meeting up with it in the Land of the Undead.
Holy crap! Check out that artwork of Flotsam Island. It's better than a Bill Tiller drawing! Any chance we could see the high-res of that, Telltale?
If you look at it, the buildings are all wrong. It does look like Flotsam, but it also looks like early concept art. And yes, it does look magnificent.
Also, I just had a couple more thoughts about that article.
Second, it's possible that while Morgan will appear in the episode, she won't be returned to life. It's possible that her "shining moment" of the episode is when she sacrifices herself and remains in the Land of the Undead in order to allow Guybrush to get out. Hopefully not, though. I really like Morgan.
Also, my theory on the final chapter:
"Hi, my name is Dominic Armato, the voice of Guybrush Threepwood. Today we're going to show you the process behind the making of Tales of Monkey Island."
Cue to a lot of people raging... in outrage.
My Theories:
- LeChuck's the pirate god.
- Everyone who's ever died in the series meets Guybrush in the Land of the Dead: Morgan, Nipperkin, De Singe, Noogie, Santino, Elaine's father and his crew, uhm... Ozzie? I'm hesitant to name the undead or people whose fate we don't know for sure, like Largo.
- "meaningful and emotionally take on insult swordfighting" Maybe it becomes deadly in the underworld to the point where you have to insult them where it personally destroys their ego/spirit?
- The monkeys LeChuck put around the Caribbean involve his voodoo spell rise as a pirate god.
- "[Guybrush] shatters a cycle he's been on since the very first Monkey Island game. It's basically a significant turning point in his life. It will redefine everything everything you think you know about Monkey Island."
Makes me think one of two things: LeChuck is finally destroyed for good. Maybe even the Voodoo Lady kicks the bucket. OR. My crazy pet theory about Guybrush being in a coma is actually one step closer to becoming a possibility.
If they're describing Ch.4 as "coming together" and Ch.5 as "Horrible things will happen!" then HOLY CRAP I'M PSYCHED!
Maybe we'll get to meet Meathook's hands and Hemlock McGee's legs?
Seriously, though, maybe Captain Marley's dead crew. Or Minnie Goodsoup and Charles DeGoulash. Perhaps Guybrush's parents? Oh, and don't forget Herman Toothrot's dead friend! That reminds me, we don't know if the vegetarian cannibals survived the eruption of Mt. Acidophilus, or if the Lost Welshman remained in the world of the living after getting lost in the mist again. Oh, and there's always the members of the Plunder Island Naturalist Society who died in the giant snake and the quicksand.
A great gag would be if Governor Phatt was there, having had a massive heart attack.
Whoa, thanks for posting that! Interesting stuff. Definitely rules out Guybrush being the pirate god.
Or the rest of Heathook, or The foul smelling pirate or the swordmaster, thanks to an carelessly placed boulder.
Which would be kind of funny, considering that Pirates of the Caribbean is a rip-off of the Monkey Island games which were inspired by the ride... In any case, I agree, that would be meh.
Are you referring to sinking the Mad Monkey in the first game? Because both the ending (if you sink it, otherwise you see Herman Toothrot) and the fourth game show that all three survived that but were marooned on Monkey Island.
I fully agree with you about this. I also have a feeling though that this cycle Guybrush breaks might be never finding the secret of monkey island, and we'll finally find out!
Hopefully a larger and interactive image can be the next treasure hunting prize! Please telltale, PLEASE!!
Maybe Guybrush is finally breaking free from her control.
For the record the PotC movies are in no way a rip-off of the MI series. It might be fair to say that the one might have influenced the other. There are unique elements of MI that could reasonably be taken as having been "ripped off" by the PotC movies, but overall the movies and the MI series are drastically, dramatically different.
As Wolfshifter said the MI series was originally inspired by the PotC ride at Disney World. The movies also took their inspiration primarily from the ride. It doesn't mean they all ripped each other off. Sure they share similar themes, ideas, elements, etc. but that does not constitute the "ripping off" of something.
For example to me the movie "War of the Worlds" (2005) is a rip-off of the storyline (The War of the Worlds) by H.G. Wells. Those who have read the book will know what I mean. Basically Spielburg took the alien robots, modified them slightly, threw the rest of the book straight into the waste bin and said, "Look at what I can do!" I have similar feelings about the travesty of a film known as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". I know Douglas Adams helped with the film, but I still think that it doesn't do the slightest inkling of justice to his amazing work.
So I have a clear understanding of what a ripping off is. PotC (the films) did not in any way claim to be MI:The Movie. None of the characters are in and of themselves Guybrush Threepwood. None of the characters are a clone of Elaine Marley. Barbosa closely mirrors the idea of LeChuck (physically) but what about his motives? Barbosa was driven entirely by greed. LeChuck at least originally set out to solve The Secret of Monkey Island™ as a way of winning over (then) Gov. Marley.
Just because there are similarities, just because connections can be made, and so forth, this does not mean PotC was a rip-off of MI. It never was. It's probably the closest we'll ever see to MI:The [Live-Action] Movie, but that's okay. I love PotC for what it is. Just as I love MI for what it is. And they are both quite different.
The reason the Voodoo Lady cannot be the pirate god is because she is not a pirate. If she were she would have been affected by the pox. The only pirate not affected by the pox was LeChuck and that's because it is from him that it originated. The evil mojo was expunged from his body, effectively immunizing him from the plague unleashed upon the rest of the Caribbean. It's the same reason Morgan cannot rise as the pirate god.
Not to mention the simple fact of "god" being a gender-specific noun. If the "pirate god" were a female it wouldn't be a pirate "god". It would be a pirate "goddess".
Also the interview which has already been labeled as spoiler-ific reveals this:
Now I think most people
That's enough ranting for now. :cool:
That's what I'm thinking, too. Just the fact that she doesn't deny it is what gets to me. If LeChuck WAS lying, she was still being manipulative by making Guybrush think he was telling the truth. She's always the one who points Guybrush in the direction he needs to go, and after the main trio she's probably the most prominent character/part of the plot in the entire series.
It depends what you call a rip-off. PotC used some writers etc. who were working on the doomed MI cartoon, and by the sounds of a few interviews some of the story in PotC is taken pretty much straight from that project.
I'm not saying PotC is bad, or a clone of MI.
Regarding the first quote:
About the second quote:
And finally, the third quote:
Considering that he only managed to write the very first draft of the initial script before dying from a heart attack, and considering how many changes a script can go from one stage to the next (as in, it can be completely rewritten), I'm guessing he didn't have as much influence on the film as they may claim. The studio executives probably drove him to heart attack with all the changes they wanted, and then took his death as an oppurtunity to do so, but that's just theorycrafting on my part.
Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread, carry on.
Anyway... I for one hope that the monkeys and Elaine keep all the root-beer away from LeChuck in episode 5.
Unless...
Guybrush has the chance to do everything right from the start, he gets sent back in time to do it all right, by not showboating in the first place. This however does have the strange side-effect of Morgan LeFlay not meeting her biggest idol. Also, there were some other small things that need to be resolved in the last game in the land of the living.
Huh? Why not? I think the majority of it will be spent
Or at least it'll give us a few cutscenes of LeChuck and Elaine fighting.
I really like the idea of the "Land of the Dead". Just as long as it's less like "What's New Beelzebub?" and more like the monkey-head cave in SoMI.
I think Morgan will play a big role in this episode. But if her body was gone, it makes me wonder if you'll actually see her in the Land of the Dead, or if she's actually still alive. It'd be quite a twist if she hasn't died and has to team up with Elaine.
From what I understand, the Land of the Undead is supposed to have a pretty good voodoo theme to it. At least, that's the impression the interview gave me. Too bad that means a Manny Calavera cameo would feel terribly out of place there, but on the other hand, that would've felt out of place to me anyway.
Also, TTG, there had better be mushrooms there.
I think we all define that as
I hope not.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility, but I also can't imagine them doing that. The whole series is about Guybrush vs. LeChuck. You can't break that cycle without breaking the series.
I hope so, anyway. Natural end or not, I wants me more Monkey Island.
Well spotted! LOL!