Questions for Inquisitve Minds [With the Second Biggest Spoiler I've Ever Seen]
Oookay, finished the game (actually, I got the Press Release some time ago, now I'll just play the Final Version tonight...). SPOILERS!!! (just in case you missed that)
I know how it ends! Brilliant work, awesome ending... although, I still have some questions and I'd like to debate them with you guys.
1. How and Why din Guybrush get his hand back (notice the missing ring)
2. Why does Guybrush's Poxed hand STILL exists and has been taken by the Voodoo Lady? (you can notice that on her table in the last cutscene)
3. What happened to LeChuck? It just faded to white... did he implode? Explode? Desintegrate?
4. Why is Elaine wearing at the end the same clothes she was wearing when she became the undead bride?
5. So, LeChuck was the actual Pirate God or not? And Nor Treblig was Galeb, right? I'm confused... Symbolism is right up my alley, but this is a bit confusing!
Debate away, I'll join later on
I know how it ends! Brilliant work, awesome ending... although, I still have some questions and I'd like to debate them with you guys.
1. How and Why din Guybrush get his hand back (notice the missing ring)
2. Why does Guybrush's Poxed hand STILL exists and has been taken by the Voodoo Lady? (you can notice that on her table in the last cutscene)
3. What happened to LeChuck? It just faded to white... did he implode? Explode? Desintegrate?
4. Why is Elaine wearing at the end the same clothes she was wearing when she became the undead bride?
5. So, LeChuck was the actual Pirate God or not? And Nor Treblig was Galeb, right? I'm confused... Symbolism is right up my alley, but this is a bit confusing!
Debate away, I'll join later on
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2. See above, and also I'm guessing she's got her uses for it.
3. He's in a jar, isn't he? So he liquefied, I guess.
4. Didn't have time to change before Guybrush got back?
5. I'm guessing LeChuck is the pirate god, Galeb was just a guy wandering around the crossroads because he's just too weird in the head to identify what it is he needs to do to move on, and Nor Treblig is either the boat man or the boat man's boss.
But to add to the list,
- Where did Murray go? last we saw he was in a chest in the manatee mating ground.
- Why did lechuck need to hypnotize some monkeys?
- What was the point of the Rock of Gelato?
- What happened to Franklin!?
Not sure if that was the intention, but I love the idea.
Two very good points!
He vanished, just like he always does. He gets around quite a bit for a skull with no ability to move on his own.
That was part of his own plan to open the crossroads. Having the monkeys of Montevideo in just the right locations in the land of the living (including but not limited to the living equivalents of the center of the crossroads, treasure hunt, swordfight, and gateway) was supposed to allow him to break back into the crossroads from the living side. It just so happened that just as his plan failed, Guybrush did it for him. The Rock of Gelato may or may not have been a location significant to the monkey hypnotizing ritual.
POOF!
Now, I have a question. If Jacques the monkey was on Flotsam when Guybrush and LeChuck were at the Rock of Gelato, and LeChuck had captured all of the monkeys of Montevideo and had them on his ship for hypnotizing, how is it that Jacques is now one of the hypnotized monkeys opening rifts?
If you keep asking him his name, one of the names he'll tell you is Nor Treblig. I am asuming he is indeed the "keeper of the crossroads".
- why did lechuck randomly appear in club 41 just to kick us out once?
- why does grindstump tell us its one of the only safe places if lechuck can appear there?
- Why does is there never any mention of monkey island or anything to do with it, including herman toothrot?
- Why do we come back as a ghost upon being sprayed with root beer, when lechuck properly died?
- Where did Morgans body go!?
I guess LeChuck too was simply banished back to the crossroads when Guybrush sprayed him with rootbeer in SMI, but without the ritual with the sponge and the hypnotized monkeys on the other side, there was nothing keeping the gateway open, and he was trapped there until Largo brought him back to his rotting corpse in MI2.
Once? After Guybrush was back in his body, he did it to me every time I approached the rip inside Club 41
Shh!
Who says there needs to be?
What Bagge said.
That's what I wanted to know! My best guess is that we're supposed to think that the Voodoo Lady somehow did it, but that's got its own share of problems associated with it. It's too bad, I was really hoping to see her return to flesh by the end. At least she's in the land of the living, so that's better than nothing, I guess.
And what do you mean LeChuck appears in Club 41? When??
I guess its just like the Secret of Monkey Island.. it's not meant to be known, because then its not a secret anymore...
...Maybe the secret in the box is the Secret of Monkey Island.
They never tell us!
And after you get bonded back into your body, LeChuck starts appearing in Club 41 every time you approach the rip so he can harass you and then shove you back into the crossroads. That may be one of the things that was missing from your press copy.
just that its part of the monkey island series insinuates that it will be involved somehow. i agree that its not important, but it was something i wondered about.
also can someone tell me if the voodoo lady was actually manipulating us and lechuck or if that was all a lie?
(i hope they answer this stuff if they make a sequel)
There was some inconsistency there... Guybrush had "lefty" back when he became a ghost, but the thief also lost his hands while he was alive and they didn't magically reappear on his ghostly form.
By the end, it looked like she'd been manipulating everyone.
It seemed to me like the part of the crossroads Guybrush was stuck in was somehow tied to LeChuck and the evil he caused. The deaths of Morgan, the Thief, the treasure-digging pirate and the swordfighting pirate were all caused by LeChuck, as were their respective injuries.
Guybrush's lost hand, however was not inflicted by LeChuck.
Anyway... we also never found out what's with the Pyryte Parrot! I mean, Voodoo Lady said that there is SOMETHING with it... Like, it always finds a way to return or what?
Also, Grindstomp says LeChuck can't enter Club41 and therefore Club41 is the only save place on Flotsam (and the jail), but once LeChuck enters the club that argument should be debunked. So that LeChuck appearance looked like a glitch to me, because it was really out of all context. The other characters didn't even react or anything.
On top of that the argument should already have been debunked because in order to bring Guybrush to the jail (which is the other save place) you HAVE to leave Club41.
I guess the real reason why Guybrush couldn't leave Club41 both as a ghost and as a zombie is to save memory, but I'm sure I'm not the first with that theory.
That reminds me, I loved LeChucken Pox...
Also it could be the developers taking us by the hand and saying:
But the other thing that was bugging me is why when we get out of the crossroads is elaine sitting peacefully on lechucks ship? Guybrushes last words were to kick his twofaced but so she just sits around? seems weird to me that change of character from her fighting him at the end of number 4.
Well yeah you could, but when you possessed your own body, Grindstomp and Bugeye obviously moved you towards the door, not the toilet.
My question is this: was Morgan killed by LeChuck or De Singe? And how/why? And what was with the all the mix up about it?! (Apart from the fact that Guybrush thought she was talking about lemonade...)?
and a other thing that bugged me is the additional redspot on the Map of the Crossroads.
evey red spot is a location, but not the very small one between the graveyard and the center....
maybe thats the place where the Voodoo lady was hiding. would make sence because morgan was still a Ghost in the last scene....
Haha yeah I was clicking that incessantly throughout the game!
LeChuck killed her! And he doesn't usually need a reason.
Morgan confirms this when you first meet up with her in the afterlife.
Or, maybe zombie LeChuck couldn't enter Club 41, but Pirate God LeChuck could?
I thought it was a traffic light.
Haha, this is true!! I'm just confused as to why Guybrush seemed to doubt Morgan when she first told him (in the afterlife), and then said that the Marquis seemed really guilty. I felt that the Marquis' role in her death (if one indeed exists) was not explained properly.
Because:
- Guybrush assumed that De Singe killed her, because her body was in his clinic.
- Morgan leaned over to tell him something that Jacques had said, but we (the players) could not hear it.
- When we meet Morgan, Guybrush says that he *did* hear her say something, while she was coughing up blood, and it was something about lemonade and/or De Singe (I can't remember...)
- Morgan says it was LeChuck.
- Guybrush doubts her vocally.
- She says "didn't you even listen to what I told you" or something to that effect...
And that was about it, I thought... maybe I should go back and play that bit again. :P
Near the end of CMI before Guybrush gets turned into a kid you can get him to talk about how he managed to become undead, which he attributed to finding Big Whoop which was defined as "the very gate to hell itself". He apparantly walked through it and gained much of his power and immortality through this. This was all while he was mortal bear in mind.
However now Episode 5 states that he was another soul from the crossroads but managed to bring a spell with him that allowed him to come back to life the same way guybrush did.
This suggests either:
A) Big Whoop is the spell LeChuck with him to the crossroads (unlikely considering how LeChuck described it).
I may be looking into it a lot, but I was actually really hoping that Episode 5 would actually explain it, or at least have some references to it rather than forgetting it happened.
There's MENTIONS of MI throughout the series, just none of consequence. Same as MI2. Well, until the CMI retcon, of course.
I assumed Jacques was the same monkey from the beginning of Chapter One, hence the face slap/"where have I seen a monkey do that before". My theory was LeChuck captured him from DeSinge, but he escaped and returned to Flotsam in the explosion.
Didn't the Voodoo Lady herself say that Big Whoop will be a disappointment. Maybe the biggest disappointment ever.
...or something like that.
You may have to remind me which game that may be then, I only remember Guybrush recounting the story on it in CMI saying that he felt sorely disappointed with it, to which the Voodoo Lady replied that it was pure evil and he was lucky to escape alive.
Oh I think she said so in MI2 when he basically got the mission to search for big whoop... or I might remember it wrong.
I just think it stuck in my mind because of that.
All this ending looks weird. One minute they're fighting LeChuck, it's a dark night and the ocean is red. Next minute Guybrush appears on Narwhal (why there? how did Elaine got there?) and there's a beautyful day, he's not massacred and he has his hand back. Something smells here.
See above - something's not right here.