But the other thing that was bugging me is why when we get out of the crossroads is elaine sitting peacefully on lechucks ship? Guybrushes last words were to kick his twofaced but so she just sits around? seems weird to me that change of character from her fighting him at the end of number 4.
Because LeChuck broke her spirit (but not her back). Presumably, they fought and she lost.
Papa Legba is the master linguist, the trickster, warrior, and the personal messenger of destiny. In Haitian Vodou, Papa Legba is the intermediary between the loa and humanity. He stands at a spiritual crossroads and gives (or denies) permission to speak with the spirits of Guinee, and is believed to speak all human languages. He is always the first and last spirit invoked in any ceremony, because his permission is needed for any communication between mortals and the loa - he opens and closes the doorway.
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He usually appears as an old man on a crutch or with a cane, wearing a broad brimmed straw hat and smoking a pipe, or sprinkling water. The dog is sacred to him.
1. How and Why din Guybrush get his hand back (notice the missing ring)
This one is easy. First of all, notice that he's not all rotten anymore. The magic that brought him back to life is stronger than any voodoo, like the Voodoo lady said. As cheesy as it sounds: He was brought back by love, and that is the ULTIMATE MAGIC, or at least that's what they were going for. And oddly enough, they pulled it off.
And of course he doesn't have the ring. He had to place it in the Crossroads. The ring was sacrificed to send Guybrush's spirit back to his body.
2. Why does Guybrush's Poxed hand STILL exists and has been taken by the Voodoo Lady? (you can notice that on her table in the last cutscene)
Was it? If it still exists, obviously the magic that brought Guybrush back to life at the end of the episode just reconstituted his hand, rather than pulling his dead pox hand out of wherever it was, putting it on his hook stump, and then reanimating it. Obviously, the Voodoo Lady decided to keep the thing as a souvenir.
3. What happened to LeChuck? It just faded to white... did he implode? Explode? Desintegrate?
Wasn't he in a jar at the end? As a liquid made of pure evil LeChuck-y Vodoo? I think that's what happened to him. His body was destroyed and all that was left was the pure essence of evil and voodoo.
4. Why is Elaine wearing at the end the same clothes she was wearing when she became the undead bride?
Apparently breaking the demoness spell doesn't change her clothing. Not really a big deal.
5. So, LeChuck was the actual Pirate God or not? And Nor Treblig was Galeb, right? I'm confused... Symbolism is right up my alley, but this is a bit confusing!
You're reading too much into it. LeChuck was the Pirate God because he had God-like levels of power. And I think Galeb was just Galeb, and we didn't see Nor Treblig at all.
You're reading too much into it. LeChuck was the Pirate God because he had God-like levels of power. And I think Galeb was just Galeb, and we didn't see Nor Treblig at all.
Well considering all the links between Galeb and Legba that was just pointed out, I think it is safe to assume that Galeb was indeed "the keeper of the crossroads", ie. Nor Treblig.
Well considering all the links between Galeb and Legba that was just pointed out, I think it is safe to assume that Galeb was indeed "the keeper of the crossroads", ie. Nor Treblig.
Possible, and it's definitely an interesting connection when linking Galeb to actual lore. The guy doesn't really look like the idol, though. =p
Well considering all the links between Galeb and Legba that was just pointed out, I think it is safe to assume that Galeb was indeed "the keeper of the crossroads", ie. Nor Treblig.
Nor Treblig is just an anagram for Ron Gilbert. Other than Galeb using it as one of his pseudonyms when he's just being contrary, did they use that reference anywhere else in the game?
Nor Treblig is just an anagram for Ron Gilbert. Other than Galeb using it as one of his pseudonyms when he's just being contrary, did they use that reference anywhere else in the game?
Yes, we all know that it's an anagram. It showed up in Episode 1, in the Voodoo Lady's shack. She had a shrine to Nor Treblig, a God that was apparently the Keeper of the Crossroads.
She also had a mysterious machine that we ended up NEVER USING.
Oh okay, I never paid attention to the forums and had forgotten about that.
Well, I'm guessing that like the legendary Noob Saibot, Nor Treblig isn't really a crucial piece of game data. Galeb refers to himself as a number of things, but he seems to just be coy most of the time-I'd be surprised if it wasn't just a joke. Why is everyone latching onto this?
And there have always been plenty of items in the Monkey Island series that stuck out like a sore thumb but you never did anything with them. Mysterious device mysterious she-vice. Well, in any event, maybe they'll eventually make a sequel, but I'm not gonna hold my breath-Sam and Max 2010!
I was promised more Sam and Max a year ago, but it turned out that it was just releasing it on different consoles. Pffshaw!
For those out there with questions concerning the events that took place in the crossroads, I highly suggest you read the book this series was inspired off of. "On Stranger Tides" by Tim Powers.
There is a huge part of the book where the protagonist (a would be a pirate), the villan (Blackbeared), and others travel into the crossroads. Out of all the MI games out there, this final chapter, I believe, showed more than any the similarities between MI and this book that Ron Gilbert based the series off of.
Possible, and it's definitely an interesting connection when linking Galeb to actual lore. The guy doesn't really look like the idol, though. =p
Well, he is "an old man on a crutch or with a cane, wearing a broad brimmed straw hat and smoking a pipe". He is looking for his dog ("The dog is sacred to him.") and his symbol looks an awful lot like the crossroads symbol. Add to this the fact that "he stands at a spiritual crossroad" and if asked repeatedly about his name will say "Nor Treblig", and I think it's obvious that Galeb is the keeper of the crossroads, and not just a random lost soul.
I was promised more Sam and Max a year ago, but it turned out that it was just releasing it on different consoles. Pffshaw!
Actually, they were planning to release Season Three back in early 2009. It actually turned out that they ended up getting a call from LucasArts, and they had the chance to work on Monkey Island again. Somewhat understandably, they dropped the Sam and Max plans to pick up the Monkey Island franchise.
Well, he is "an old man on a crutch or with a cane, wearing a broad brimmed straw hat and smoking a pipe". He is looking for his dog ("The dog is sacred to him.") and his symbol looks an awful lot like the crossroads symbol. Add to this the fact that "he stands at a spiritual crossroad" and if asked repeatedly about his name will say "Nor Treblig", and I think it's obvious that Galeb is the keeper of the crossroads, and not just a random lost soul.
I don't deny that Galeb is Legba, or at least the Monkey Island version of the figure. That would be stupid. I'm just saying it seems like, while it's possible, saying that Galeb IS "Nor Teblig, Keeper of the Crossroads" is a bit of a jump. Not too much of one, obviously, but a bit of one.
I don't deny that Galeb is Legba, or at least the Monkey Island version of the figure. That would be stupid. I'm just saying it seems like, while it's possible, saying that Galeb IS "Nor Teblig, Keeper of the Crossroads" is a bit of a jump. Not too much of one, obviously, but a bit of one.
I wouldn't consider that a jump at all. Nor Treblig is established in chapter one as the "keeper of the crossroads", and Galeb is pretty obviously the "keeper of the crossroads".
and a other thing that bugged me is the additional redspot on the Map of the Crossroads.
evey red spot is a location, but not the very small one between the graveyard and the center....
maybe thats the place where the Voodoo lady was hiding. would make sence because morgan was still a Ghost in the last scene....
I am guessing it is there in order to make the map points look like the Southern Cross constellation, as can be seen on many flags, such as the Australian flag:
Actually, they were planning to release Season Three back in early 2009. It actually turned out that they ended up getting a call from LucasArts, and they had the chance to work on Monkey Island again. Somewhat understandably, they dropped the Sam and Max plans to pick up the Monkey Island franchise.
I don't deny that Galeb is Legba, or at least the Monkey Island version of the figure. That would be stupid. I'm just saying it seems like, while it's possible, saying that Galeb IS "Nor Teblig, Keeper of the Crossroads" is a bit of a jump. Not too much of one, obviously, but a bit of one.
Am I the only one incredibly happy that MI postponed Season 3 of SnM? Imagine how much they've learned, how much better the storytelling will be, and how awesome of a game we're going to get now. With experience comes quality.
And as far as Galeb well, I like to see him as a small nod to Rob, not necessarily HIM HIM but a nod. Galeb was one of my favorite characters from the whole game. He was just, fun to talk to, and he took away from the bleakness of the Crossroads.
Am I the only one incredibly happy that MI postponed Season 3 of SnM? Imagine how much they've learned, how much better the storytelling will be, and how awesome of a game we're going to get now. With experience comes quality.
Don't get me wrong. I was perfectly fine with setting Sam and Max aside to have Telltale handle a series that...frankly, was having a layer of dust gather on even it's newest, and somewhat badly-implemented additions. As I said when the announcement came out: If there was ANYTHING that could make waiting for Sam and Max seem even remotely bearable, Monkey Island was going to be it.
Am I the only one incredibly happy that MI postponed Season 3 of SnM?
I'm with you on that one! I wouldn't have found TTG (ergo, no Sam and Max) if it weren't for TMI, and I'm very much looking forward to what comes next.
[Galeb] was just, fun to talk to, and he took away from the bleakness of the Crossroads.
He was definitely needed. The Land of the Undead felt pretty empty as it was, without Galeb it would have been very bleak.
It also made for a nice contrast at the end when Guybrush is at the Crossroads all alone... and everything is very quiet... and you figure out the final puzzle.
I really liked Galeb as a character... verynice voice acting and facial expressions put together. Whoever came up with him, must know a little something about philosophy or Zen...
It's a traffic light, a sort of metaphor for the barrier between the opening area and the rest of the crossroads. Only people who have the two coins can cross that barrier. Of course, it would have been nice if it were an actual traffic light that you could visit, with a nice puzzle attached to it.
It's a traffic light, a sort of metaphor for the barrier between the opening area and the rest of the crossroads. Only people who have the two coins can cross that barrier. Of course, it would have been nice if it were an actual traffic light that you could visit, with a nice puzzle attached to it.
Oh…
Okay, that could work…
Hmm, I thought Guybrush was kinda interested in the large girder at the top of the tunnel, as if it was something displaced.
I'm thinking he's refering to the tunnels in MI2 (waterfall and ending). It does seem like they are similar (hell, wasn't the grog machine also in the tunnels in MI2 as well?) and I was half expecting that the 'traffic light' to also be another area alot like a back broom closet where they keep spare track parts and spare mascot heads are kept. Hell, the whole place gives off a bit of a fairground ride vibe, it could be another part of Big Whoop! :eek:
My idea is that this is the place where the Voodoo Lady was hiding. In the Crossroads, but inaccessible. Neat.
I liked Galeb too. The Crossroads would be so sad without him. Sure, he was crazy, but in a friendly, lively way. When talking to him, I felt more alive in that dreary afterlife. And kudos for Marzhin who uncovered his connection to Papa Legba! I wonder if Telltale writers/designers know a lot about real voodoo.
The only thing that bugged me was the fact that 'voodoo' was meant to mean 'spiritual energy' in Tales. I mean, come on, voodoo is a religion of serving spirits, not a Force-like phenomenon.
2. Why does Guybrush's Poxed hand STILL exists and has been taken by the Voodoo Lady? (you can notice that on her table in the last cutscene)
Well, there's no reason it shouldn't exist anymore, I guess. I was expecting a little more on this hand subject though since Stemmle stated in that interview that "Guybrush's severed hand will be dealt with." Yeah, "dealt" in what way?
5. So, LeChuck was the actual Pirate God or not? And Nor Treblig was Galeb, right? I'm confused... Symbolism is right up my alley, but this is a bit confusing!
I think Galeb could indeed be Nor Treblig, after all "keeper of the crossroads".
You're not the only confused person around here, trust me!
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Because LeChuck broke her spirit (but not her back). Presumably, they fought and she lost.
If you play with the letters of Galeb's name, you get Legba.
Also, note the voodoo symbol for Legba:
And of course he doesn't have the ring. He had to place it in the Crossroads. The ring was sacrificed to send Guybrush's spirit back to his body.
Was it? If it still exists, obviously the magic that brought Guybrush back to life at the end of the episode just reconstituted his hand, rather than pulling his dead pox hand out of wherever it was, putting it on his hook stump, and then reanimating it. Obviously, the Voodoo Lady decided to keep the thing as a souvenir.
Wasn't he in a jar at the end? As a liquid made of pure evil LeChuck-y Vodoo? I think that's what happened to him. His body was destroyed and all that was left was the pure essence of evil and voodoo.
Apparently breaking the demoness spell doesn't change her clothing. Not really a big deal.
You're reading too much into it. LeChuck was the Pirate God because he had God-like levels of power. And I think Galeb was just Galeb, and we didn't see Nor Treblig at all.
Me too - thanks guys! Who said video games can't be educational?
Well considering all the links between Galeb and Legba that was just pointed out, I think it is safe to assume that Galeb was indeed "the keeper of the crossroads", ie. Nor Treblig.
And Nor Treblig is?.....
Nor Treblig is just an anagram for Ron Gilbert. Other than Galeb using it as one of his pseudonyms when he's just being contrary, did they use that reference anywhere else in the game?
She also had a mysterious machine that we ended up NEVER USING.
Well, I'm guessing that like the legendary Noob Saibot, Nor Treblig isn't really a crucial piece of game data. Galeb refers to himself as a number of things, but he seems to just be coy most of the time-I'd be surprised if it wasn't just a joke. Why is everyone latching onto this?
And there have always been plenty of items in the Monkey Island series that stuck out like a sore thumb but you never did anything with them. Mysterious device mysterious she-vice. Well, in any event, maybe they'll eventually make a sequel, but I'm not gonna hold my breath-Sam and Max 2010!
I was promised more Sam and Max a year ago, but it turned out that it was just releasing it on different consoles. Pffshaw!
There is a huge part of the book where the protagonist (a would be a pirate), the villan (Blackbeared), and others travel into the crossroads. Out of all the MI games out there, this final chapter, I believe, showed more than any the similarities between MI and this book that Ron Gilbert based the series off of.
Happy reading. It's a great book!
Well, he is "an old man on a crutch or with a cane, wearing a broad brimmed straw hat and smoking a pipe". He is looking for his dog ("The dog is sacred to him.") and his symbol looks an awful lot like the crossroads symbol. Add to this the fact that "he stands at a spiritual crossroad" and if asked repeatedly about his name will say "Nor Treblig", and I think it's obvious that Galeb is the keeper of the crossroads, and not just a random lost soul.
I don't deny that Galeb is Legba, or at least the Monkey Island version of the figure. That would be stupid. I'm just saying it seems like, while it's possible, saying that Galeb IS "Nor Teblig, Keeper of the Crossroads" is a bit of a jump. Not too much of one, obviously, but a bit of one.
I wouldn't consider that a jump at all. Nor Treblig is established in chapter one as the "keeper of the crossroads", and Galeb is pretty obviously the "keeper of the crossroads".
I am guessing it is there in order to make the map points look like the Southern Cross constellation, as can be seen on many flags, such as the Australian flag:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Australia.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux
Maybe someone at Telltale is Australian.
Am I the only one incredibly happy that MI postponed Season 3 of SnM? Imagine how much they've learned, how much better the storytelling will be, and how awesome of a game we're going to get now. With experience comes quality.
And as far as Galeb well, I like to see him as a small nod to Rob, not necessarily HIM HIM but a nod. Galeb was one of my favorite characters from the whole game. He was just, fun to talk to, and he took away from the bleakness of the Crossroads.
I'm with you on that one! I wouldn't have found TTG (ergo, no Sam and Max) if it weren't for TMI, and I'm very much looking forward to what comes next.
He was definitely needed. The Land of the Undead felt pretty empty as it was, without Galeb it would have been very bleak.
It also made for a nice contrast at the end when Guybrush is at the Crossroads all alone... and everything is very quiet... and you figure out the final puzzle.
But Voodoo Lady states that she can stay in the Land of the Living - so it seems her ghost was out at some point.
I was trying to figure that out too, I think it's just a stop sign for humor of it being a crossroad.
Oh…
Okay, that could work…
Hmm, I thought Guybrush was kinda interested in the large girder at the top of the tunnel, as if it was something displaced.
Familiar to what?
I'm thinking he's refering to the tunnels in MI2 (waterfall and ending). It does seem like they are similar (hell, wasn't the grog machine also in the tunnels in MI2 as well?) and I was half expecting that the 'traffic light' to also be another area alot like a back broom closet where they keep spare track parts and spare mascot heads are kept. Hell, the whole place gives off a bit of a fairground ride vibe, it could be another part of Big Whoop! :eek:
It is the Southern Cross from the Australian Flag (and other flags)
My idea is that this is the place where the Voodoo Lady was hiding. In the Crossroads, but inaccessible. Neat.
I liked Galeb too. The Crossroads would be so sad without him. Sure, he was crazy, but in a friendly, lively way. When talking to him, I felt more alive in that dreary afterlife. And kudos for Marzhin who uncovered his connection to Papa Legba! I wonder if Telltale writers/designers know a lot about real voodoo.
The only thing that bugged me was the fact that 'voodoo' was meant to mean 'spiritual energy' in Tales. I mean, come on, voodoo is a religion of serving spirits, not a Force-like phenomenon.
Ozzie Mandril!?!
No idea either.
Well, there's no reason it shouldn't exist anymore, I guess. I was expecting a little more on this hand subject though since Stemmle stated in that interview that "Guybrush's severed hand will be dealt with." Yeah, "dealt" in what way?
Good question. He probably fluidified as it seems.
VERY good question. And I didn't like the fact that Guybrush put the ring back on her finger while her hand was still wearing that black glove...
I think Galeb could indeed be Nor Treblig, after all "keeper of the crossroads".
You're not the only confused person around here, trust me!
I liked her dress... Maybe developers liked it too.
That sounded rather cute...
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