Delorean Error

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  • edited December 2010
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    Doc can't take the car from the mine or any other point in the Trilogy without risking a paradox.

    Fixed :p
  • edited December 2010
    Carlos85G wrote: »
    Not fixed because it wasn't broken :p

    Fixed :p
  • edited December 2010
    Origami, I don't think you understand at all what you are implying with your arguements.
    Origami wrote: »
    I DIDN'T say Doc should take the DeLorean out of the mines. I said he should go to 1885 and return Marty to his original time. Thus Marty wouldn't need the DeLorean to go back and it remains intact. However it will be the railroad version or 1955 modified version depending on what moment Doc interfers.


    AT WHAT POINT?

    Doc and Marty spend nearly all their time together in 1885. During BTTF2, Marty and Doc are both very cautious about not meeting the other Marty and Doc until the other Marty is already gone. Doc does meet his other self on accident, but is very careful to not be recognized.

    During BTTF3, Doc is under the impression that he is going to be killed, and is therefore trying to also return to the future with Marty. If post-movie Doc took BTTF3 Marty from 1885, Doc would run the risk of changing his other self's destiny. Also, BTTF3 Marty is supposed to have the fight with Beauford, and afterward there is no opportunity for post-movie Doc to take Marty without affecting BTTF3 Doc since they immediately mount their horses and ride off to catch the train together.

    And anyway, it would be very confusing indeed for BTTF3 Doc if he was on the train trying to climb out to the DeLorean, and suddenly realized it wasn't there; or if Doc held up the train to get it to switch tracks, but then turned around and both Marty and the DeLorean were gone.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    It's quite obvious that he should pick up Marty AFTER the fight. Wait for him at the railroad or something.
  • edited December 2010
    If he did pick up Marty from 1885 wouldnt that leave a time machine in 1885?
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    Yes and?
  • edited December 2010
    The railroad sequence has to happen for Clara to marry Doc. She saw the scale model, but her fears were confirmed when she saw the locomotive following the path where the time machine was.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    That's just nitpicky. The contuum would find another way they could get in love.
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    ^
    Yes and?

    Then which time machine is Doc using?
  • edited December 2010
    They're already in love anyway, but Doc decides to stay in the Past as a last-minute desicion, to save Clara.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    He should still build the train.
  • edited December 2010
    Possibly but, again, Marty will NOT remember the DeLorean being destroyed.

    As I said, that DeLorean is doomed... DOOMED!

    Besides, all the key actions necesary for saving the DeLorean would be off-screen, which stalls the story.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    YES!

    But I was only pointing out to Chlyros that there is a way to get a DeLorean without creating a paradox.
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    ^
    He should still build the train.

    Ok then if the delorean is back in 1885 are you saying he gets Marty from 1885 and then goes back and gets the Delorean to send to the start of the game?
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    Something like that.

    He might first pick up the DeLorean to patch it up. Use it himself because it's more convenient and ultimately send it back to Marty.
  • edited December 2010
    Isn't that too redundant? He does that, he needs Marty, Marty's out of the Trilogy's continuum, why use the DeLorean if he has the train, then?
  • edited December 2010
    It still is TOO RISKY. The movies portray Doc and Marty as being very wary of running in to their other selves and/or interfering with actions taken by their other selves.

    Doc has NO IDEA what would happen to his own past if he abducted Marty from 1885, and Doc has always been more worried about the consequences than Marty was. It would be totally out of character for Doc to do such a risky thing without knowing the outcome, just so he could save himself the effort of having to build a new time machine.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    Again. It was an example to point out that the DeLorean could be extracted from the timeline. Obviously a whole lot of good writing will come in to play to make it work out if they would do it this way.

    Probably not this way since like so many pointed out Marty witnesses the destruction of the DeLorean.
  • edited December 2010
    But if Doc went back and took Marty from 1885 would the original Doc from 1885 wonder where Marty went?
  • edited December 2010
    O.k., then it's POSSIBLE to rescue the DeLorean if you DON'T take the game into account, right?, so why is it discussed in the first place?... We could be discussing a vignette's or a fan-fiction's setup, then.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    @Prizna That's why I said. A lot of good writing would have to come in play.

    Doc from the future could also go to 1885 giving Marty gasoline and a set of wheels. Marty has to pretend to 1885 Doc that he made a mistake and there is a reserve gasoline jerrycan. He then goes on hiw own way with the DeLorean back to the future.
    Clara could witness the DeLorean somehow and believe Emmett.

    Or something...

    @Carlos

    What was a vignette again?
  • edited December 2010
    This isn't just about a paradox. It's about the character of Doc. Doc wouldn't do that because the risk is too great.

    You seem hell-bent on insisting that the DeLorean is still the old one, at the expense of whether or not the explanation of altering history to save it makes any sense concerning the personalities of the characters involved.
  • edited December 2010
    O.k., but a vignette or a fan-fiction can't start with that. The key points for that to happen have to be established in the first chapters and have the DeLorean not destroyed in the middle of the struggle, but not as a plot device.

    So, to mantain the statement clear: If you DON'T consider the game at all part of the story (as if it didn't exist), there's the possibility of not destroying the DeLorean.
  • edited December 2010
    @Chryon

    You seem hell-bent on insisting the DeLorean to be a new one, at the expense of bad story writing.
  • edited December 2010
    New Doc appears

    Doc: Marty I need to send you back to 1985
    Marty: But you we were just going to use the train to send the DeLorean back to 1985
    Doc: But if we do that then the DeLorean will be destroyed and it wont be able to be used it the BttF game
  • edited December 2010
    You seem hell-bent on insisting the DeLorean to be a new one, at the expense of bad story writing.

    You seem hell-bent on insisting that straightforward and simple explanation is bad story writing.
  • edited December 2010
    @Origami:

    A vignette is a time-cut filler. Something that happens between scenes.
  • edited December 2010
    ^
    See how epic that sounds?


    @Carlos

    But how would the game be different if it used a New DeLorean instead of the old one. It still takes place after the end of the original trilogy.
  • edited December 2010
    Farlander wrote: »
    You seem hell-bent on insisting that straightforward and simple explanation is bad story writing.

    You seem to be hell-bent. Period.
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    You seem to be hell-bent. Period.

    I know that, so your sarcastic pun failed.
  • edited December 2010
    It's bad story writing to build a new car since the old one is gone?

    I think it's bad story writing for a writer to say "well, I know Doc wouldn't ever do that, but I need this equipment for my story so I'll write that he does this anyways and hope noone notices it's out of character for him."
  • edited December 2010
    Origami wrote: »
    See how epic that sounds?

    It does, but it involves new characters and new plot devices that would need to make the DeLorean not being destroyed a Consequence, not a Premise. You can't have the same characters play within that timeframe, because the actions affect them... It's Fan-Fiction BTTF2.5, not a real continuation.
  • edited December 2010
    Carlos85G wrote: »
    It does, but it involves new characters and new plot devices that would need to make the DeLorean not being destroyed a Consequence, not a premise. You can't have the same characters play within that timeframe, because the actions affect them... It's Fan Fiction BTTF2.5, not a real continuation

    Which reminds me, when I was a kid somewhere in years 2000-2002 and dreamed about Back to the Future game, I dreamed of it as an adventure-game where we (to not conflict with the BttF trilogy) would control a new playable main character who would accidentally meet Doc somewhere in the future (it would take place in the 10 minutes of the first movie - between Doc leaving Marty and coming back for him).
  • edited December 2010
    Funny if the game goes like this

    Marty: Doc, how is this possible, I saw the DeLorean get hit by the train.
    Doc: There's no time Marty!! we need to fix the past.
  • edited December 2010
    I've read some good fan-fiction vignettes involving BTTF crossovers with other time travellers, but again, they don't mess with events stated in Future scenes.
  • edited December 2010
    Or even better

    Marty: Doc, how is this possible, I saw the DeLorean get hit by the train.
    Doc: Umm ahh, Look behind you a three headed monkey!!!
  • edited December 2010
    prizna wrote: »
    Funny if the game goes like this

    Marty: Doc, how is this possible, I saw the DeLorean get hit by the train.
    Doc: There's no time Marty!! we need to fix the past.
    An ambiguous explanation is far more acceptable. Leave it to the fans to figure it out.

    Yeah. I'd buy that.
  • edited December 2010
    doggans wrote: »
    The prototype is always the most expensive--a lot of trial and error involved. With a second, Doc could learn from his mistakes, and build a much faster and cheaper model. Plus, we already see in Part II that he's prepared for any financial situation. ;)

    This is true. And considering the time he had with the train, he would probably be able to speed up the process of building a second DeLorean time machine.
  • edited December 2010
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    An ambiguous explanation is far more acceptable. Leave it to the fans to figure it out.

    Yeah. I'd buy that.

    And then, at the after-credits epilogue of the fifth-episode, Doc and Marty would look at the game DeLorean wrecked, and Marty would ask 'So... what's with the DeLorean?' and Doc would answer 'To hell with THIS DeLorean, let's go buy another one.'
  • edited December 2010
    This is true. And considering the time he had with the train, he would probably be able to speed up the process of building a second DeLorean time machine.

    No he doesn't.
    You know how expensive the DeLorean car alone was back in 1985? Then figure he has to buy all the parts to build the DeLorean too.
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