I like the two new guys. I don't know how to feel about the wise old man. I think it makes sense that Christa is pregnant and that's why they like Clem. They're all going to die horribly in episodes 4 and 5.
Chuck is alright. He is definitely playing the role of the "magical hobo" at the moment (magical characters come in all occupations and kinds). He came out of nowhere, everyone immediately likes him, he gives them candy and doesn't fight with taking his house, he gives Lee advice on how to help Clementine and he is always positive about a situation. Not to say these are bad things, but it seemed like he was written to suit those parts more than being a character. I'm sure if they give him more to do next episode he will be more realized.
Personally, I have no interest or attachment to Omid and Christa. Sure it took me a while to warm up to Larry and Duck, but they had some traits that made their characters interesting from the get-go. Omid is a bumbler who despite best intentions comes off as trying too hard to be nice. He hasn't really shown any other useful traits yet that show he contributes to the group in a distinct way. He doesn't really have much of a personality either other than being overly chivalrous.
Now Christa....oh boy....I thought Larry was an unlikable character but at least we could understand he was motivated by trying to look out for Lilly. Christa is just a judgmental, condescending, sassy, somewhat sexist and insensitive jerk for...I don't really know why. Yes the "pregnant" rumor is being used for her, but even then she has not done much anything to even be considered useful. At least Omid helps you to remove the roadblock All Christa did was complain about your parenting skills, arrive late to offer any assistance and just sit around for most of the episode. She pretty much contributed nothing and her attitude makes me not want to care about what happens to her.
I know Omid and Christa came in late in the episode (way too late in my opinion), but they still feel like not flimsy characters at the moment. Frankly, they are kind of dull. They better get some character development soon so I can have a reason to care about what they do or I know who I'm going to throw into the meat grinder first!
Chuck: Nice guy, the kind of blunt where you don't think he's hiding anything.
Omid: Cheery, easy-going, up for an adventure.
Christa: Pragmatic, smart, sensitive. She comes on strong, but if you go ahead and let her win one or two, she warms up and starts showing you a decent amount of respect and admiration. She's only hanging with the group because of Omid, so I understand why she's wary. And if you engage her and listen to her point of view, she's...absolutely right.
Then again, I didn't tell Omid or Christa about my background as a murderer, so I need to win Kenny over fast so he doesn't pull that card on me and ruin a good thing.
I feel that Chuck has been around the block. Hell what with being homeless he knows how to survive in a city a little better than the average, and in all he feels like he isn't going to screw you over.
Now, with Christa and Omid, they both feel very forced. The only part that I enhjoyed with them was the American history part, what with Lee slowly raising his hand, and that was only funny because of Lee. Of course, I only dislike them from a writing perspective, if they seem less one-dimensional in the next Ep then I will probably feel different about them.
Chuck (or Charles if you're fancy) is my new favorite character. I hope he plays his guitar more in ep 4-5 it really set the tone at the train.
I haven't made up my mind about Omad and Christa yet, they seem to be hiding something but then again, its too early to tell.
I am anticipating future problems with Christa wanting to take Clem away from Lee.
This.
They seem like the very odd couple and like I've said before, I think they've done some crazy shit to stay alive and to be where they are now. I can't see how they could've survived on their own for so long just wandering around (especially after seeing what kind of guy Omid is).
The new characters, Christa, Omid and Chuck seem to be introduced just to replace the characters killed off in this episode. Christa seems to replace Lilly as the bitchy lady who is always willing to get in an argument, while Omid replaces Duck as the comic relief. Chuck replaces the friendly/parent figure that could possibly be seen from Carley or Katjaa.
Omid going on about how we had a child with us and that it's so cool and that he hasn't seen one in a long time... well, creeped me out. And Christa needs to learn what's her business and what isn't.
The new characters, Christa, Omid and Chuck seem to be introduced just to replace the characters killed off in this episode. Christa seems to replace Lilly as the bitchy lady who is always willing to get in an argument, while Omid replaces Duck as the comic relief. Chuck replaces the friendly/parent figure that could possibly be seen from Carley or Katjaa.
how DARE you sir mention my Carley and the she-devil in the same equation!
The pregnancy thing makes a lot of sense (when people think they're gonna die, the first thing they wanna do is bone) but something still rubs me the wrong way about those two.
The new characters, Christa, Omid and Chuck seem to be introduced just to replace the characters killed off in this episode. Christa seems to replace Lilly as the bitchy lady who is always willing to get in an argument, while Omid replaces Duck as the comic relief. Chuck replaces the friendly/parent figure that could possibly be seen from Carley or Katjaa.
Although I'm suspicious of all the new characters, I see similarities to past people/friends as well. Omid reminds me of Glenn a little. Christa - a survivor like Lilly. Chuck reminds me of Hershel with the life experience/advice part.
Wow, I waited for a while to join this thread to see what everyone said. I am shocked that so many people dislike Christa. She doesn't bother me at all...what I really hear a lot on this board is people with problems with Alpha females.
I DO find it suspicious that the two of them were wandering around with no supplies or weapons.
Omid says that Christa doesn't let them join groups and that is how they have survived. I think that's pretty wise myself. If the two of them were together from the beginning which clearly they were, they can trust each other. If Christa is indeed pregnant, and actually even if she isn't, there are dangers inherent with them joining a group. Minimize the risk...stay alive. Why is that bad?
I didn't see them forced to join the group...I saw it as a oh there's 10 million walkers behind us, this train is moving away from the walkers let's get on the train kind of thing. There is as there should be an instinct to keep the living away from the dead. That is how I interpreted how they joined the group.
Chuck I am on the fence about. He seems nonthreatening but then again I caught Lee asking Clem if the candy tasted funny and was waiting for a joke about not taking candy from strangers when the thought occurred to me that something was just 'wrong' with Chuck.
I also am wary that the walkie talkie is found to be working again shortly after meeting him and we learn in the end that someone has been communicating with Clem. I suspect that someone is Chuck who also magically has all this great interest in and advice for Clem.
It bugs me that he plays the guitar randomly in a situation where the sound could draw walkers.
Wtf? Kill off all the people we were just getting to know then introduce new people!? lol, Something like that. But that's how it goes in zombie world. I know that from reading the comics! But I really didn't expect Doug, Katjaa, and Duck to all die in 1 episode!
"Alpha female" does not automatically equal "bitch". Lilly and, I suspect, Christa are alpha wannabes and are reacting out of fear.
I agree that the terms are not synonymous but what I view as simply Alpha female behavior (regardless of its motivation) is being labelled by others as though they are both bitches.
The dynamic is interesting....there is mass love for Katjaa and Carly and mass hatred for Christa and Lilly on the board. The commonalities in both sets of character behavior can be summed up as the Alpha female group and the Dainty female group.
I like Christa. She doesn't trust us, which tells me that she's smart. I like Omid too, because he's an optimist that's still trying to enjoy life. My god those people crumple beautifully. And they're having a kid? How can anyone not want to see this?
...there is mass love for Katjaa and Carly and mass hatred for Christa and Lilly on the board. The commonalities in both sets of character behavior can be summed up as the Alpha female group and the Dainty female group.
Both Katjaa and Carley were professional women (i.e. veterinarian and reporter, respectively) and I wouldn't define either of them as "Dainty", despite Katjaa's aversion to guns.
Both Katjaa and Carley were professional women (i.e. veterinarian and reporter, respectively) and I wouldn't define either of them as "Dainty", despite Katjaa's aversion to guns.
The term Dainty imo is applicable however, I can certainly classify the groups as Alpha vs. Non-Alpha female types. The point is not in the semantics though.
Both Christa and Lilly were Alpha leaders who kept people alive through the ZA.
Neither Carly nor Katjaa take on the leadership roles within the group. Aside from their skills (shooting and healing) they follow rather than lead.
Without a leader, I don't think either of the last pairing would survive the ZA. Carly would have lasted longer because she could shoot.
It seems fairly obvious to me that the largest difference between these pairs and their likability can be summarized as a preference for Non-Alpha females and disdain for Alpha females on this message board.
Both Christa and Lilly were Alpha leaders who kept people alive through the ZA.
If you want to term Katjaa as a beta personality because she followed her husband, fine. However, while I'm certainly not a raving Carley fan by any means, Carley kept people alive (Lilly included).
I'm willing to give Christa the benefit of the doubt, but Lilly was no alpha chick. Carley pretty much pegged her as just a "scared little girl" who learned that throwing a hissy fit generally got her what she wanted.
I don't like them at all. Omid's character just ruins the serious mood of the game and Christa is a btch.
I agree to some extent.
The presentation of Omid was just plain silly. I hope there really is something off with him (thus his manners) so he's not just there because someone decided the game needed stupid comic relief.
The term Dainty imo is applicable however, I can certainly classify the groups as Alpha vs. Non-Alpha female types. The point is not in the semantics though.
Both Christa and Lilly were Alpha leaders who kept people alive through the ZA.
Neither Carly nor Katjaa take on the leadership roles within the group. Aside from their skills (shooting and healing) they follow rather than lead.
Without a leader, I don't think either of the last pairing would survive the ZA. Carly would have lasted longer because she could shoot.
It seems fairly obvious to me that the largest difference between these pairs and their likability can be summarized as a preference for Non-Alpha females and disdain for Alpha females on this message board.
carley was an alpha female as well as lilly, but lilly would literally shriek at people and she was two faced (pretended not to know who you were to get you on her side after larry told you he knew), but carley save our lives as her opening scene then lilly got angry
If you want to term Katjaa as a beta personality because she followed her husband, fine. However, while I'm certainly not a raving Carley fan by any means, Carley kept people alive (Lilly included).
I'm willing to give Christa the benefit of the doubt, but Lilly was no alpha chick. Carley pretty much pegged her as just a "scared little girl" who learned that throwing a hissy fit generally got her what she wanted.
No, Katjaa wasn't a beta personality because she followed Kenny. She was uncomfortable firing a weapon, uncomfortable with the decision Kenny made to kill Larry. These are examples of her not adapting well to her new reality, which makes her soft and not leadership material.
Carly could fire a gun but could not put batteries in a radio and made remarks about not being able to handle the difficulties involved in rationing food for the group. Again, not leadership material.
Lilly like her or not kept them fed, put them on a schedule and made the difficult decisions. Of course she went batshit but that's beside the point. She was able to maintain a position of leadership.
Christa ostensibly (we don't know much about her) was responsible for keeping her and Omid from harm and felt confident enough in her survival abilities to be walking unarmed on an open bridge. Leadership material.
I don't have a strong tie with any of these characters and have issues with all of them. I am a very pragmatic type and can therefore relate more to Christa and Lilly than Katjaa and Carly. My respect for the characters is limited to their ability to adapt and survive.
carley was an alpha female as well as lilly, but lilly would literally shriek at people and she was two faced (pretended not to know who you were to get you on her side after larry told you he knew), but carley save our lives as her opening scene then lilly got angry
Carley wasn't an alpha female. She didn't take shit and said what she thought about things but she wasn't the alpha leader type.
Lily wasn't really an alpha female to me neither. She took charge and everything but that was probably only because her dad thought his big girl should do so. He wanted her to be a brave fighter pilot but she ended up dealing with bureaucrats and plane maintenance instead. I think she's insecure and doesn't handle well under pressure. But she held down the group good a while under EP2 handling the food and whatnot.
Need more information on Chuck before I really can make a sound decision on how I feel about him. He seems to have good intentions based on his advice, so at this point I'm fine with him.
Christa seems to be not very trusting, brash, and with the world they're living in, rightfully so. Right now I'm on the fence with her, but I feel she's the same with me. I also believe the reason her and Omid are alive is directly attributed to her.
Omid, I actually like him. His comment about his cat being pissed off was priceless. Seems very mellow, easy going, and a bit of an opposite compared to Christa. I thought it was cool that he had the option of bonding with Lee about Civil War history. However, I think that's a ploy to try and play at the heart strings come next episode when dealing with his leg.
I also think Christa is the intended romance option for Lee, the part about American history was just to perfect to be idle chit-chat. Plus they seemed to emphasize her motherly instincts towards Clem.
christa clearly states (maybe a choice thing?) it's omid thats into the history and says know anyone like that, too which lee puts his hand up..
Omid going on about how we had a child with us and that it's so cool and that he hasn't seen one in a long time... well, creeped me out. And Christa needs to learn what's her business and what isn't.
agree, christa was a hyprocrite imo giving lee crap/bitchiness for getting in her business and then she turns around and tells lee how to raise clem gets in his and expects us to like it ?
Need more information on Chuck before I really can make a sound decision on how I feel about him. He seems to have good intentions based on his advice, so at this point I'm fine with him.
Christa seems to be not very trusting, brash, and with the world they're living in, rightfully so. Right now I'm on the fence with her, but I feel she's the same with me. I also believe the reason her and Omid are alive is directly attributed to her.
Omid, I actually like him. His comment about his cat being pissed off was priceless. Seems very mellow, easy going, and a bit of an opposite compared to Christa. I thought it was cool that he had the option of bonding with Lee about Civil War history. However, I think that's a ploy to try and play at the heart strings come next episode when dealing with his leg.
mostly agree except for omid i don't trust him around clem..
now as to why they where on the bridge with nothing but the clothes they wear ? i say they are part of 'mr exes group' on the walkie in ep4,
i wonder if they caused the tanker crash, funny how it was blocking the train, so i wonder if clem before she feel asleep told mr x they where on a train and he sends omid and christa to slow them down/ join them.. why no supplies and how come they hadn't been in the station untill after we'd cleared it ?
Christa ostensibly (we don't know much about her) was responsible for keeping her and Omid from harm and felt confident enough in her survival abilities to be walking unarmed on an open bridge. Leadership material.
We obviously have differing opinions on what it means to be a strong woman. Personally I thought walking unarmed on an open bridge, yelling at armed strangers, during a zombie apocalypse pretty stupid.
Hmmm reaction to meeting...Well Chuck was completely unbelievable and thrust upon the group. Supposedly bonded with the entire group in the time it took me to walk from the front of a car to the back. No alarm bells were rang and just "oh hey lee, I see you met our new bestest friend chuck."
Christa and Omid were a little more believable, but umm wtf? They are just roaming around on foot with no supplies? Which makes even less sense if she is pregnant like I'm suspecting. Then they just automatically bond with the group in two seconds...Even though they don't like groups.
Overall I think these new characters were thrust on us too quickly to be at all believable or likeable.
Carley wasn't an alpha female. She didn't take shit and said what she thought about things but she wasn't the alpha leader type.
Lily wasn't really an alpha female to me neither. She took charge and everything but that was probably only because her dad thought his big girl should do so. He wanted her to be a brave fighter pilot but she ended up dealing with bureaucrats and plane maintenance instead. I think she's insecure and doesn't handle well under pressure. But she held down the group good a while under EP2 handling the food and whatnot.
well i think Carley was taking the crown as the dominant female in the group and lilly couln't take it so she shot her, if lilly didnt shoot her she wouldn't have been in charge any more
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A misogynist and misandrist? That's quite the couple, how does that work?
Personally, I have no interest or attachment to Omid and Christa. Sure it took me a while to warm up to Larry and Duck, but they had some traits that made their characters interesting from the get-go. Omid is a bumbler who despite best intentions comes off as trying too hard to be nice. He hasn't really shown any other useful traits yet that show he contributes to the group in a distinct way. He doesn't really have much of a personality either other than being overly chivalrous.
Now Christa....oh boy....I thought Larry was an unlikable character but at least we could understand he was motivated by trying to look out for Lilly. Christa is just a judgmental, condescending, sassy, somewhat sexist and insensitive jerk for...I don't really know why. Yes the "pregnant" rumor is being used for her, but even then she has not done much anything to even be considered useful. At least Omid helps you to remove the roadblock All Christa did was complain about your parenting skills, arrive late to offer any assistance and just sit around for most of the episode. She pretty much contributed nothing and her attitude makes me not want to care about what happens to her.
I know Omid and Christa came in late in the episode (way too late in my opinion), but they still feel like not flimsy characters at the moment. Frankly, they are kind of dull. They better get some character development soon so I can have a reason to care about what they do or I know who I'm going to throw into the meat grinder first!
Omid: Cheery, easy-going, up for an adventure.
Christa: Pragmatic, smart, sensitive. She comes on strong, but if you go ahead and let her win one or two, she warms up and starts showing you a decent amount of respect and admiration. She's only hanging with the group because of Omid, so I understand why she's wary. And if you engage her and listen to her point of view, she's...absolutely right.
Then again, I didn't tell Omid or Christa about my background as a murderer, so I need to win Kenny over fast so he doesn't pull that card on me and ruin a good thing.
Now, with Christa and Omid, they both feel very forced. The only part that I enhjoyed with them was the American history part, what with Lee slowly raising his hand, and that was only funny because of Lee. Of course, I only dislike them from a writing perspective, if they seem less one-dimensional in the next Ep then I will probably feel different about them.
CHUCK NOR-
No. XD
I haven't made up my mind about Omad and Christa yet, they seem to be hiding something but then again, its too early to tell.
Omid and Christa? Omid is a naive weakling, who gave me shit, when i saved him into the train before his bitching girl friend.. next time hes Z-Food.
Christa fucks with me from the beginning.. can´t wait to get rid of her.
Christa can go fuck herself. She's a bitch. I don't like her. Maybe she gets better...
Omid is comic relief.
This.
They seem like the very odd couple and like I've said before, I think they've done some crazy shit to stay alive and to be where they are now. I can't see how they could've survived on their own for so long just wandering around (especially after seeing what kind of guy Omid is).
yeah, Carley+Lilly=Christa ,Doug+Duck=Omid ,Hershel+Larry+katjaa=Chuck
how DARE you sir mention my Carley and the she-devil in the same equation!
The pregnancy thing makes a lot of sense (when people think they're gonna die, the first thing they wanna do is bone) but something still rubs me the wrong way about those two.
Although I'm suspicious of all the new characters, I see similarities to past people/friends as well. Omid reminds me of Glenn a little. Christa - a survivor like Lilly. Chuck reminds me of Hershel with the life experience/advice part.
I DO find it suspicious that the two of them were wandering around with no supplies or weapons.
Omid says that Christa doesn't let them join groups and that is how they have survived. I think that's pretty wise myself. If the two of them were together from the beginning which clearly they were, they can trust each other. If Christa is indeed pregnant, and actually even if she isn't, there are dangers inherent with them joining a group. Minimize the risk...stay alive. Why is that bad?
I didn't see them forced to join the group...I saw it as a oh there's 10 million walkers behind us, this train is moving away from the walkers let's get on the train kind of thing. There is as there should be an instinct to keep the living away from the dead. That is how I interpreted how they joined the group.
Chuck I am on the fence about. He seems nonthreatening but then again I caught Lee asking Clem if the candy tasted funny and was waiting for a joke about not taking candy from strangers when the thought occurred to me that something was just 'wrong' with Chuck.
I also am wary that the walkie talkie is found to be working again shortly after meeting him and we learn in the end that someone has been communicating with Clem. I suspect that someone is Chuck who also magically has all this great interest in and advice for Clem.
It bugs me that he plays the guitar randomly in a situation where the sound could draw walkers.
"Alpha female" does not automatically equal "bitch". Lilly and, I suspect, Christa are alpha wannabes and are reacting out of fear.
I agree that the terms are not synonymous but what I view as simply Alpha female behavior (regardless of its motivation) is being labelled by others as though they are both bitches.
The dynamic is interesting....there is mass love for Katjaa and Carly and mass hatred for Christa and Lilly on the board. The commonalities in both sets of character behavior can be summed up as the Alpha female group and the Dainty female group.
Just an observation.
Train wreck at 5. Get in line.
Both Katjaa and Carley were professional women (i.e. veterinarian and reporter, respectively) and I wouldn't define either of them as "Dainty", despite Katjaa's aversion to guns.
The term Dainty imo is applicable however, I can certainly classify the groups as Alpha vs. Non-Alpha female types. The point is not in the semantics though.
Both Christa and Lilly were Alpha leaders who kept people alive through the ZA.
Neither Carly nor Katjaa take on the leadership roles within the group. Aside from their skills (shooting and healing) they follow rather than lead.
Without a leader, I don't think either of the last pairing would survive the ZA. Carly would have lasted longer because she could shoot.
It seems fairly obvious to me that the largest difference between these pairs and their likability can be summarized as a preference for Non-Alpha females and disdain for Alpha females on this message board.
If you want to term Katjaa as a beta personality because she followed her husband, fine. However, while I'm certainly not a raving Carley fan by any means, Carley kept people alive (Lilly included).
I'm willing to give Christa the benefit of the doubt, but Lilly was no alpha chick. Carley pretty much pegged her as just a "scared little girl" who learned that throwing a hissy fit generally got her what she wanted.
I agree to some extent.
The presentation of Omid was just plain silly. I hope there really is something off with him (thus his manners) so he's not just there because someone decided the game needed stupid comic relief.
carley was an alpha female as well as lilly, but lilly would literally shriek at people and she was two faced (pretended not to know who you were to get you on her side after larry told you he knew), but carley save our lives as her opening scene then lilly got angry
No, Katjaa wasn't a beta personality because she followed Kenny. She was uncomfortable firing a weapon, uncomfortable with the decision Kenny made to kill Larry. These are examples of her not adapting well to her new reality, which makes her soft and not leadership material.
Carly could fire a gun but could not put batteries in a radio and made remarks about not being able to handle the difficulties involved in rationing food for the group. Again, not leadership material.
Lilly like her or not kept them fed, put them on a schedule and made the difficult decisions. Of course she went batshit but that's beside the point. She was able to maintain a position of leadership.
Christa ostensibly (we don't know much about her) was responsible for keeping her and Omid from harm and felt confident enough in her survival abilities to be walking unarmed on an open bridge. Leadership material.
I don't have a strong tie with any of these characters and have issues with all of them. I am a very pragmatic type and can therefore relate more to Christa and Lilly than Katjaa and Carly. My respect for the characters is limited to their ability to adapt and survive.
Carley wasn't an alpha female. She didn't take shit and said what she thought about things but she wasn't the alpha leader type.
Lily wasn't really an alpha female to me neither. She took charge and everything but that was probably only because her dad thought his big girl should do so. He wanted her to be a brave fighter pilot but she ended up dealing with bureaucrats and plane maintenance instead. I think she's insecure and doesn't handle well under pressure. But she held down the group good a while under EP2 handling the food and whatnot.
Christa seems to be not very trusting, brash, and with the world they're living in, rightfully so. Right now I'm on the fence with her, but I feel she's the same with me. I also believe the reason her and Omid are alive is directly attributed to her.
Omid, I actually like him. His comment about his cat being pissed off was priceless. Seems very mellow, easy going, and a bit of an opposite compared to Christa. I thought it was cool that he had the option of bonding with Lee about Civil War history. However, I think that's a ploy to try and play at the heart strings come next episode when dealing with his leg.
christa clearly states (maybe a choice thing?) it's omid thats into the history and says know anyone like that, too which lee puts his hand up..
or christa is bit they don't know it's fatal/ they are already infected.
agree, christa was a hyprocrite imo giving lee crap/bitchiness for getting in her business and then she turns around and tells lee how to raise clem gets in his and expects us to like it ?
mostly agree except for omid i don't trust him around clem..
now as to why they where on the bridge with nothing but the clothes they wear ? i say they are part of 'mr exes group' on the walkie in ep4,
i wonder if they caused the tanker crash, funny how it was blocking the train, so i wonder if clem before she feel asleep told mr x they where on a train and he sends omid and christa to slow them down/ join them.. why no supplies and how come they hadn't been in the station untill after we'd cleared it ?
We obviously have differing opinions on what it means to be a strong woman. Personally I thought walking unarmed on an open bridge, yelling at armed strangers, during a zombie apocalypse pretty stupid.
Christa and Omid were a little more believable, but umm wtf? They are just roaming around on foot with no supplies? Which makes even less sense if she is pregnant like I'm suspecting. Then they just automatically bond with the group in two seconds...Even though they don't like groups.
Overall I think these new characters were thrust on us too quickly to be at all believable or likeable.
well i think Carley was taking the crown as the dominant female in the group and lilly couln't take it so she shot her, if lilly didnt shoot her she wouldn't have been in charge any more