Completely agree though for me it's more of a tie between Molly and Christa.
Molly was awesome and I was disappointed she didn't stick around longer but Clem has so much history with Christa. Christa practically raised her single handedly for 16 months! Ofcourse I'd prefer Omid, but Christa is the next best thing and it would be nice to see her again.
Jane's awesome too but I don't like how easily she gave up on Sarah and then abandoned the group when things got tough, only telling Clem because Clem caught her leaving! At least Molly left knowing there wouldn't be enough room on the boat for everyone, and that she had more chance surviving on her own without the aid of the boat.
And Lily... she shot Carley for absolutely no reason! (I know she was frail after the death of her dad, but that's no excuse!) If she's alive, good for her but I couldn't let Clem go with Lily. All trust has been lost and it would be extremely hard to win back.
Oh damn the first 2 choices on my list are a hard pick.....
* Molly. Pure awesome. Kick ass. Hooplah.
* Christa. She has been there … morethrough thick and thin. Birth and death. Happiness and mourning. Everything.
* Jane. She can take care of herself. Strong willed, willing, and from what I've seen actually very caring; though she covers it well.
* Alone.
* Lily. Haha no. Crazy chick is crazy!
It didn't make it any less heinous, and I'm not defending him nor his crime.
I'm saying he had basis for his actions while Lily didn't. When the shit hit the fan Lee had irrefutable evidence of wrong doing, Lily had a gut feeling. Had she had evidence against Ben then her crime would be leveled with Lee, but seeing as she was completely emotionally driven I can't see trusting her, especially to an extent to label her as a "care taker". Nope, nope, nope.
You just said it doesn't make less heinous, but you use the same reasoning to defend Lee. And keep in mind I said Lee, not Lee's crime.
A… moregain, this isn't about defending Lilly's crime. Just like it's off base to reduce Lee as just someone murdered his wife's lover, so is reducing Lilly as just someone who shot a group member. Lee had his redemption. Lilly didn't get a chance. Even in the short time we spent with Lilly after she snapped, she showed remorse. She also made a very good point (paraphrasing) "Lee is a murderer and you forgave him. Someday I will forgive Kenny. Can't also I be forgiven?"
If Lilly was all like "Bitch deserved what she got!' or incessantly making "I did what what I had to do!" excuses afterwards, then I'd be less inclined to give Lilly a second chance.
Christa killed the one responsible for the death of her loved one. A completely believable reaction even by todays standards. You're right about Jane. And it has been awhile, could you refresh my memory on the Molly incident?
I'm comparing the two because their reactions to losing loved ones under stress are both bad and showcase them at their worst. Lilly at her… more worst is a murderer.
Christa immediately executes Michelle for killing her boyfriend. Jane dismisses a grieving girl as a lost cause and doesn't even try to save her. Molly at her worst was willing to leave two men to be eaten.
Lilly:She is more than capable with taking care of herself, and Clementine is proving more useful as she gets older so they could make a great team. Lilly has her doubts about people, but she comes around eventually and does whatever it takes to keep herself and the group safe. The only reason Carley died was because she was trying to protect the group, but it was a huge risk to take for trust by her group since she shot another woman who was speaking the truth and defending a frightened teenager. Also, different to Kenny, Lilly got over her dad's death within a matter of minutes because she got to have the revenge she wanted on the St Johns. She still mourns his death but she got back on the main task, which was to escape.
Molly:She was really useful to the group in Season 1 and we could use more people like her in the game. Her parkour is a handy way of getting around cities and her ice pick is a quick and reliable method of taking out walkers, since it gives a quick and clean kill while helping her get to and from places. Clementine also (depending on if she came with you to Crawford) saved her life in Crawford so Molly would obviously owe her one for that. Plus Clementine has her screwdriver and nail fine from Jane so she could be useful for Molly. Clementine could remind Molly of her little sister though...
Christa:Although Christa seems most reliable for a care taker for Clementine, and she agreed that she'd take care of her to Lee, Christa could never trust someone again. Yeah Jane mentioned that it's better to stay alone but think about how what struggles Christa and Clementine went through when we saw them both in Season 1 after 16 months. They were cooking a weasel and obviously weren't doing so good. But she took care of Clementine for 16 months which is impressive so she should get something for that.
Jane:Jane has her ups and downs. She has her fun with Clementine like when they were at the trailer park and Jane was teaching her techniques, but she could easily abandon Clementine at any moment proving she's better off alone. Yeah Jane has her skill and valuable methods of surviving like searching walkers' pockets and taking out the knee, but she gives up on people too easily. And she even said she didn't want Clementine to come with her since it "doesn't work like that". I couldn't trust her with Clementine to be honest.
It didn't make it any less heinous, and I'm not defending him nor his crime.
I'm saying he had basis for his actions while Lily didn't. W… morehen the shit hit the fan Lee had irrefutable evidence of wrong doing, Lily had a gut feeling. Had she had evidence against Ben then her crime would be leveled with Lee, but seeing as she was completely emotionally driven I can't see trusting her, especially to an extent to label her as a "care taker". Nope, nope, nope.
Does being a good leader mean you lash out on everyone when meds are missing? Or were you refering to the time she successfully murdered an innocent, helpful woman in the group?
No, Lilly is terrible. Never forgive, never forget!
If somebody was sneaking into your room and stealing medicine from your group, what would YOU have done?
It still doesn't at all justify her attempted murder of Ben/successful murder of Carley, but Lilly had every right to be pissed off and grill her group in order to find the traitor.
Does being a good leader mean you lash out on everyone when meds are missing? Or were you refering to the time she successfully murdered an innocent, helpful woman in the group?
No, Lilly is terrible. Never forgive, never forget!
Lilly, she's an amazing character. She has a soft side to her that shows when she's around Clementine. People hate her for killing Carley/Doug, but in all seriousness, she witnessed her father's head being penetrated by a salt-lick. She was broken, she wasn't sleeping properly and was really stressed out. Now that her time for grieving is passed, I'm sure that she's a better person.
Christa, man oh man do I love Christa. She took care of a little girl who's seen more horror than anyone her age for 2 whole years, even going through the stress of losing Omid. Christa is a strong, strong woman. She's the perfect mother-figure for Clementine and I love her to death.
Molly, she's a badass. Great survival skills and she's very agile. She also has a soft spot for Clementine and I think that they'd make a great badass team.
Jane, I don't like Jane. Sure, she taught Clementine survival skills, but other than that, she caused the group problems. I'm glad that she's gone and I hope we don't see her again.
1: Christa. She took care of Clem far longer than anyone else in the series, and even in the face of certain death risked her life to save … morea girl she resented. Her emotional coldness may have made Clementine a miserable person, but she didn't give up on her humanity and just leave her to die.
2: Molly. She's strong, capable and has a soft spot for children. She'd probably make a great mentor for Clem, even if her track record as a guardian haven't been great. At the very least, she doesn't write off people just because they resemble her sister.
3: Lilly. She's barely above Jane in my book, because while she's guilty of an unforgivable crime I believe she never bore any grudge against Clem. She'll have to work harder than Bonnie did to earn Clem's forgiveness, but also remember that she essentially did the same crime that Lee did - murdering in a fit of rage. If Lee redeemed himself and proved that he was a genuinely good man at … [view original content]
ALMOZT EVERY ZINGLE TWD CHARACTER HAZ KILLED ZOMEONE. They don't go on killing zpreez liek maniacz. Clem killed the ztranger (in my game) zhe helped kill Carver and zhe killed Zarrita. Zhe left Zarah. Clem iz a murder but iz whole. I did what needed to be done for CLEM TO ZURVIVE
ALMOZT EVERY ZINGLE TWD CHARACTER HAZ KILLED ZOMEONE. They don't go on killing zpreez liek maniacz. Clem killed the ztranger (in my game) zh… moree helped kill Carver and zhe killed Zarrita. Zhe left Zarah. Clem iz a murder but iz whole. I did what needed to be done for CLEM TO ZURVIVE
ALMOZT EVERY ZINGLE TWD CHARACTER HAZ KILLED ZOMEONE. They don't go on killing zpreez liek maniacz. Clem killed the ztranger (in my game) zh… moree helped kill Carver and zhe killed Zarrita. Zhe left Zarah. Clem iz a murder but iz whole. I did what needed to be done for CLEM TO ZURVIVE
Christa-She was their from the beginning and one of the toughest characters in the game. We saw her in action in season one, and she took care of Clem and her husband. Plus she had a baby and lived tho am guessing it did not go well after birth, either way she is strong and rational
Molly-She was bad-ass and had the skills any survive wanted or needed. Se came off as cold but guess what she is human, and eventually helped out. Her skills and knowledge are extremely helpful and useful plus she survived a long time alone, including when she was with the Crawford bastards.
Jane-Once again another resourceful survive but Jane also suffers some personal trauma with her sister that could get Clem killed for she hesitated too many times to safe someone else. I get her but its just not always going to work well alone
Lilly-She broke physiologically and it cost another person their life, being that paranoid or having some like that in your group is a no no for it can easily fall apart, and it did in season one. I don't hate her or think she is evil but its just too risky if she was with Clem, but idk maybe it changed her or she learned her lesson
In my case , Molly and Jane both left soo how much did they really care ? Lilly was out of her mind and in my book not too even be considere… mored she was unstable .... I guess Christa cares the most but wtf she lost you and you went without her the whole season and I know it was not her fault but still .... Christa to Clem : Oh hey Clementine your still alive umm my bad missed you
* Christa (She seems the best 'carer' and is a good shot) [Not good on hand-to-hand though]
* Lilly (Another good shot and can survive in t… morehe Apocalypse) [Her Mental-State may be an issue]
* Molly (Great on hand-to-hand and she is an Assassin) [She doesn't have too much of a personality]
* Jane (Best Survivalist) [Not a team player, she may leave me...]
Christa: Even though she is "Broken" She is still pretty reliable considering she survived a long time (Can't remember how long) With clem after omid and the baby died. She is also the most trustworthy out of all of them. Jane and Lily are good people, but they are solo, they struggle communicating with others.
Lily: I would say Lily is number 2 for pretty much the same reasons as Christa, however she has less mental stability, since she killed carley.
Jane: I feel like Jane probably had more of a genuine concern for clem than Molly
Molly: Even though she could probably keep Clem safe, and she is still a great choice, i feel like it would probably ruin Clementines personality, she will be brought up to trust nobody.
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Completely agree though for me it's more of a tie between Molly and Christa.
Molly was awesome and I was disappointed she didn't stick around longer but Clem has so much history with Christa. Christa practically raised her single handedly for 16 months! Ofcourse I'd prefer Omid, but Christa is the next best thing and it would be nice to see her again.
Jane's awesome too but I don't like how easily she gave up on Sarah and then abandoned the group when things got tough, only telling Clem because Clem caught her leaving! At least Molly left knowing there wouldn't be enough room on the boat for everyone, and that she had more chance surviving on her own without the aid of the boat.
And Lily... she shot Carley for absolutely no reason! (I know she was frail after the death of her dad, but that's no excuse!) If she's alive, good for her but I couldn't let Clem go with Lily. All trust has been lost and it would be extremely hard to win back.
It didn't make it any less heinous, and I'm not defending him nor his crime.
I'm saying he had basis for his actions while Lily didn't. When the shit hit the fan Lee had irrefutable evidence of wrong doing, Lily had a gut feeling. Had she had evidence against Ben then her crime would be leveled with Lee, but seeing as she was completely emotionally driven I can't see trusting her, especially to an extent to label her as a "care taker". Nope, nope, nope.
Christa killed the one responsible for the death of her loved one. A completely believable reaction even by todays standards. You're right about Jane. And it has been awhile, could you refresh my memory on the Molly incident?
Lilly: She is more than capable with taking care of herself, and Clementine is proving more useful as she gets older so they could make a great team. Lilly has her doubts about people, but she comes around eventually and does whatever it takes to keep herself and the group safe. The only reason Carley died was because she was trying to protect the group, but it was a huge risk to take for trust by her group since she shot another woman who was speaking the truth and defending a frightened teenager. Also, different to Kenny, Lilly got over her dad's death within a matter of minutes because she got to have the revenge she wanted on the St Johns. She still mourns his death but she got back on the main task, which was to escape.
Molly: She was really useful to the group in Season 1 and we could use more people like her in the game. Her parkour is a handy way of getting around cities and her ice pick is a quick and reliable method of taking out walkers, since it gives a quick and clean kill while helping her get to and from places. Clementine also (depending on if she came with you to Crawford) saved her life in Crawford so Molly would obviously owe her one for that. Plus Clementine has her screwdriver and nail fine from Jane so she could be useful for Molly. Clementine could remind Molly of her little sister though...
Christa: Although Christa seems most reliable for a care taker for Clementine, and she agreed that she'd take care of her to Lee, Christa could never trust someone again. Yeah Jane mentioned that it's better to stay alone but think about how what struggles Christa and Clementine went through when we saw them both in Season 1 after 16 months. They were cooking a weasel and obviously weren't doing so good. But she took care of Clementine for 16 months which is impressive so she should get something for that.
Jane: Jane has her ups and downs. She has her fun with Clementine like when they were at the trailer park and Jane was teaching her techniques, but she could easily abandon Clementine at any moment proving she's better off alone. Yeah Jane has her skill and valuable methods of surviving like searching walkers' pockets and taking out the knee, but she gives up on people too easily. And she even said she didn't want Clementine to come with her since it "doesn't work like that". I couldn't trust her with Clementine to be honest.
Jane is all I need...
Holy shit, killing someone over an affair is not an rational response on any level. That's killing someone because they pissed you off.
None of them.
I hadn't realized I ever stated it was a rational thought process. "Holy shit,"
Too lazy to write why
Yeah, pretty much this. Capable or not, she's batshit crazy.
1: Molly - she's like Jane but seemed to have a better hold on herself.
2: Jane - smart, knows what she's doing, but have some issues that can be problematic.
3: Christa - kind and caring, doing her best to help Clem but has some issues
4: Alone - sorry, but I'd never team up with Lilly.
Does being a good leader mean you lash out on everyone when meds are missing? Or were you refering to the time she successfully murdered an innocent, helpful woman in the group?
No, Lilly is terrible. Never forgive, never forget!
If somebody was sneaking into your room and stealing medicine from your group, what would YOU have done?
It still doesn't at all justify her attempted murder of Ben/successful murder of Carley, but Lilly had every right to be pissed off and grill her group in order to find the traitor.
Molly, Lilly, Christa badass lady power trio. Bye Jane.
I would just want Lilly, it would make for a really cool story to be honest. I can't imagine a story AS good with the others.
1 molly 2 christa 3 lily 4 jane
Molly and Christa seem to be the best choice
Lily is crazy and Jane is a lone survivor-type of woman
Lilly might not be crazy any more.
Remember, Lee killed someone. He wasn't crazy.
Aw, never mind. Tried to post a pic... couldn't.
ALMOZT EVERY ZINGLE TWD CHARACTER HAZ KILLED ZOMEONE. They don't go on killing zpreez liek maniacz. Clem killed the ztranger (in my game) zhe helped kill Carver and zhe killed Zarrita. Zhe left Zarah. Clem iz a murder but iz whole. I did what needed to be done for CLEM TO ZURVIVE
Someone kill this guy.
My heads in pain.
Christa-She was their from the beginning and one of the toughest characters in the game. We saw her in action in season one, and she took care of Clem and her husband. Plus she had a baby and lived tho am guessing it did not go well after birth, either way she is strong and rational
Molly-She was bad-ass and had the skills any survive wanted or needed. Se came off as cold but guess what she is human, and eventually helped out. Her skills and knowledge are extremely helpful and useful plus she survived a long time alone, including when she was with the Crawford bastards.
Jane-Once again another resourceful survive but Jane also suffers some personal trauma with her sister that could get Clem killed for she hesitated too many times to safe someone else. I get her but its just not always going to work well alone
Lilly-She broke physiologically and it cost another person their life, being that paranoid or having some like that in your group is a no no for it can easily fall apart, and it did in season one. I don't hate her or think she is evil but its just too risky if she was with Clem, but idk maybe it changed her or she learned her lesson
So how is it not a completely emotionally driven response?
Molly left so the others would have less difficulty over whom gets on the boat
This but tbh Molly has a personality. Sarcastic and chipper but if she gets emotional she gets cold and impulsive
That's been previously stated.
I don't think it's fair to compare Molly and Jane when they're basically the same character.
After playing Ep5 I'm not even going to bother putting Jane in my list.