Don't you get it? Throw away the fact that she started it, because all that is just in hindsight. In Kenny's mind, she had really lost the baby. He didn't know why. He didn't know how. With zero information, he attacked and murdered/attempted murder a woman who was very likely completely innocent (babies are vulnerable, babies can easily die).
The point isn't that she instigated it, because Kenny didn't even know that. You can't justify what he did with hindsight.
Does the fact that, as far as Kenny knows, Jane accidentally lost the baby justify murdering her?
In my game, that is not what happe… morened, I didn't want them to kill each other, but nobody listens to Clementine. The thing though is, Jane started this, she hid the baby and acted like it was dead to fight Kenny. So in my game, she is dead.
No, it isn't.
When I say I think the decision of the Kenny fans is wrong for MY clementine, I still respect that it's a valid one. I just… more think it's wrong for MY clementine, but that's fine for theirs.
As I say, discussing the situation is fine, it's awesome. But I NEVER state my opinion as fact, and NEVER say that my ending was the only good one and everyone's is stupid. Which is what the thread is directed against. Such as, saying Lee would hate you if you shoot Kenny.
There is no "right" ending, however there is a "best" ending based on your opinion. For example, the best ending In my opinion is the one where Clem and Kenny go to Wellington. I'm not sure if there is a canon ending either, but to me the Wellington ending felt the most canon,
Every ending is a canon ending,the story tailored by how you play it,it's okay if you're stating your opinion which one is the best,but it's not okay to bash someone's choice just because it's different than yours,which is why this thread made to complain the dozens of Kenny Circlejerk thread.
There is no "right" ending, however there is a "best" ending based on your opinion. For example, the best ending In my opinion is the one wh… moreere Clem and Kenny go to Wellington. I'm not sure if there is a canon ending either, but to me the Wellington ending felt the most canon,
Every ending is a canon ending,the story tailored by how you play it,it's okay if you're stating your opinion which one is the best,but it's… more not okay to bash someone's choice just because it's different than yours,which is why this thread made to complain the dozens of Kenny Circlejerk thread.
I think he'd be mad (a lot of people would be), but I don't think he'd go as far as he did with Jane, or hit her or anything. He'd probably just how he reacted to the Sarita situation.
The reason he flipped out on Jane was because he thought she killed the baby, because she didn't want it around in the first place. I don't agree with how he reacted to Jane, but I can kind of understand why he would think that way. He knows that Clem wouldn't kill the baby.
Every ending is a canon ending,the story tailored by how you play it,it's okay if you're stating your opinion which one is the best,but it's… more not okay to bash someone's choice just because it's different than yours,which is why this thread made to complain the dozens of Kenny Circlejerk thread.
I would propose that there isn't one "right" ending, but there is a "most-proper" ending. I've thought it through, and I'll explain my reasoning why I believe the "Wellington Ending" is what I would consider the most-proper conclusion.
First and foremost, we need to remember the main motivation since the start of Season 2. Clem and Christa were headed to Wellington. That was their goal before getting separated. Clem just so happened to get picked up by the Cabin Crew, and then she got stuck into their problems with Carver, which transitioned to Jane. Wellington, and the search for Christa, was Clem's motivation in the beginning, so should it be left a plot-hole if Wellington was ignored or never shown at the end?
Going Alone: This is what I would consider the least-proper ending, where Clem is marching towards the walkers, covered in their blood. If we were to see this act metaphorically, she is joining them, becoming one with them in a sense. By blending in with the walkers, a subtlety of her fate can be contemplated. Clem's alone with little to no resources. She has an infant that is incapable of controlling his emotions, and will inadvertently act as a beacon to anything that will hear him. Eventually, one of them, if not both of them will probably die in this situation, unless Clem comes across some sort of miracle. Her fate is undoubtedly unknown, as we have no idea where she is, or how she is. How long will she be alone? How far will she go until something happens to AJ? What if something happens to Clem? There's more than just walkers out there, and we've seen what people are capable of with both seasons in mind.
Return to Howe's: While not the worst possible conclusion, the idea that Clem would bunk in a ravaged fortress, which was known to have herd encounters, and now has a ruined defensive stability as well as a now scavenged food supply, as Jane mentioned upon meeting the family, we have just one question to ask: "What happens next?" What happens if they allow nobody to join them? Would they be attacked by another herd of walkers? The hardware store is far too big to keep maintained by only two people. It is entirely possible for someone to slip in undetected, granted if the walkers had been able to do so, such as the expansion by the comic store. Another thing to consider is, if they do start letting people in, how long until they let the wrong people in? What if the family they encounter were villainous? Remember what the kid says to Clem: "I like your hat." Isn't this vaguely similar to when Michelle had an interest in Clem's hat in Gil's Truckstop? Either he's taking a liking to Clementine, or he's already interested in something that doesn't belong to him. No matter the outcome, we are left guessing whether or not Clem is safe at Howe's, whether Jane and Clem would remain safe despite the herd encounters and the other survivors that come to be let in. Can Jane still be trusted after pulling that stunt that forced Clem to kill Kenny? Can she even trust anyone anymore in this situation?
Go With Kenny Ending: Before I start an explanation as to why the "Wellington Ending" is the most proper, we must first discuss why it isn't proper to abandon it with Kenny. First: how many people died on the way to Wellington? Countless. The whole Cabin Crew, most of the Lodge Inhabitants, Carver's Posse, Russian Survivors. I won't try to count them all, but there was so much death between the time Clem and Christa got separated, to the time Clem finally reached Wellington, all their deaths would have been meaningless if Clem simply said "no" and turned back. It would be like reaching a finish-line, and turning back to go elsewhere before passing through. Plus, as Kenny mentioned, Clem and AJ may not be able to survive out in the wilderness for long. Kenny's still an unstable mess, and his impatience to get the kids to safety, to Wellington, may have been misunderstood as his own determination to reach Wellington himself. If we look back at Season 1, he tells Lee that, after the kids are fed: "That's what a real man does." He looks out for the children. Kenny demonstrates this consistently with AJ, and he breathes it with Clem. It's why he is willing to maroon himself in the cold wilderness if it means that they would be safe. If Clem refuses this, she is refuses Kenny's purpose in life. She is refusing his sacrifice for her, and where would they go from there? There is no real direction for where Kenny and Clem go if they leave Wellington together, leaving us guessing the fate of Clem.
Go to Wellington Ending: Alas, we reach the big reason why I consider this to be the most "proper-ending" to TWD S2. One big reason being that it was a promised safe-haven, and clearly has the resources to keep Clem and AJ protected. Although we don't know the occupants of the encampment, they're surely not nearly as bad as Crawford or Camp Carver. The worst thing about Wellington is that everyone would be a stranger for Clem. She won't need to worry about other survivors or walkers, nor would she need to worry about resource management. Unlike the other conclusions, she is free from all the responsibilities that had been forced onto her with the Zombie Apocalypse. She can enjoy being a kid if she wanted to, and she could potentially find guardians within Wellington that may have more experience with families than Jane or even Kenny. The biggest reason, though, is that we know where Clem is, and we'll know how she is. We can assume with certainty that Clementine will be safe in Wellington for months, maybe even years, maybe even for the rest of her life! Where is Clem after Season 2? She's safe in Wellington. It's something we can believe most of all, unlike all the other endings which gives us vague cliffhangers of distrust, emergency and isolation. For Clem to be safe, it's what Lee would have wanted most, and she's safest where she has the most guarantees of security, which is in a giant freaking Castle Black fortress with huge ass walls.
So all this in summary, Wellington was the main drive for Clem in the start, and it would be fitting if she found it in the end. Wellington is also the one place we can be sure she'd stay the safest. It's the answer to the big question: "Where is Clementine after Season 2, and is she safe?" It's the most proper conclusion because it can stay as this conclusion. Clem's story could stop at Wellington because she can stay there indefinitely. She isn't dead, nor is she still struggling to survive like everyone else. Where's Kenny? We don't know. Where's Christa? We don't know. Where's Bonnie and Mike? We don't know. Where's Lilly? We don't know. What's happening with Jane at Howe's? We don't know. Where's Clementine? Wellington. Safe. Alive.
It's not about knowing him from season 1 (wich helps because there is clearly a bond) it's about Kenny being the person that cared THE MOST … moreout of anyone for Clementine (as of season2) he would kill or die for Clementine. People call him insane , i say he has short temper (he always had, it's just intensified now) he was right about Arvo , he was right about Jane. Because you see, It wasn't just a test , it was her plan to kill Kenny without Clementine hating her. At any point she could have revealed the truth about AJ but she didn't. She wanted to be alone with Clem and go south. At this point , i'll take him over anyone , anyday.
I am convinced the Jane ending is the evil ending while alone is neutral and Kennny is good. Seriously, the Kenny endings adjust way better than the others
Edith seemed nice , remember Bonnie was really nice , friendly and sweet.(disregarding what happened in episode 5).Bonnie was living a lie among tyrants , living as a guard just like Edith and not knowing her Boss's true intentions and motives.
You all say that you find Wellington and it's awesome and yes Edith gave two bags of supplies to Clem and Kenny and told them to come back in month.It might be a ruse and a pretense to let the survivors outside perceive as the community is good..
Wellington is left loose.Something left ambiguous is not always good.Remember life is not a fairy tale we cannot just live peacefully and without hard work and suffering.There's up and down.
Do not judge a book by it's cover and the cover was Edith.
I do like your post , the ending with AJ is alone suicidal.and the ending with Jane is the start of a new beginning accepting new suspicious people is a start and if the these people's intention are bad well there fall is worse.
I would propose that there isn't one "right" ending, but there is a "most-proper" ending. I've thought it through, and I'll explain my reaso… morening why I believe the "Wellington Ending" is what I would consider the most-proper conclusion.
First and foremost, we need to remember the main motivation since the start of Season 2. Clem and Christa were headed to Wellington. That was their goal before getting separated. Clem just so happened to get picked up by the Cabin Crew, and then she got stuck into their problems with Carver, which transitioned to Jane. Wellington, and the search for Christa, was Clem's motivation in the beginning, so should it be left a plot-hole if Wellington was ignored or never shown at the end?
Going Alone: This is what I would consider the least-proper ending, where Clem is marching towards the walkers, covered in their blood. If we were to see this act metaphorically, she is joining them, becoming one with them in a… [view original content]
It's not the reason of knowing him since Season 1! The reason is that he protects the people, who he loves with his own life. He cares about Clem and AJ more about anything now. AND he is the only Person i trusted in Season 2. He was the only pure Person in Season 2.
If you would get shot or attacked or anything no one would save you. Not Luke, not Becca, not Bonnie, not Carlos or Nick(saved you once but only he wanted to die anyway) they would all save their own asses BUT Kenny would. He just lost everyone he loved. Clem did, too but Kenny thinks it's his fault, that Duck and Sarita died, what makes it harder for him. Thats why he changed so much during Season 2, but deep inside he is still the same person. Another reason he was a dick to everyone is because they are the reason why this all happened to Kenny. They just came to Kennys "residence" and brought Carver with 'em. That's how all the bullshit started. I would act exactly like Kenny to be honest.
So if you can't understand why he is acting like he is acting. you're just an asshole.
And I don't believe he would do anything to hurt Clementine or AJ (physically). He is a dick, when he is mad but I can understand him and he apologizes everytime. He knows it's wrong and tries to do better.
I add that 85% who saved Kenny are TeamMustache fans that have the reason of "knowing him from season 1"....
I know, Jane did a fucking s… moretupid thing and she was an asshole for that thing, but now don't come here and write that she was fucking wrong!! Kenny was broken!! There is not take it anymore! Imagine if someone had killed the baby; he would come out of his head ... and god knows what he would do .... (just think of Arvo)... and then, he wanted to die... so, being sorry for Kenny and respecting other opinions, and knowing that however final with Kenny is the best, i chose Jane.
Will you stop it , we get it it's an emotional ending and it's better than Jane's but just Stop being childish and rub it in our faces.
Jane's ending is good too.
Why because you didn't shed any tear just like Kenny's ending?
Because we met suspicious people that might want to kill us these thinks same as Clem and Jane the guys needed to be aware and careful before approaching the fence.Just like in Wellington they shot a warning shot just to make sure then accepted Clem and AJ.
And the gun in the pocket was cynical but that guy need it to protect his family from twisted folks and walkers.
So far, the only argument against the "Go to Wellington Ending" is that we don't know what Wellington is like on the inside. Are you saying that it's actually worse than what's on the outside? There are several other arguments against the other endings, such as the ambiguous nature of every other alternative, but why pass the "Go to Wellington Ending" off as another bad mystery simply because of our suspicions against it? We're the ones painting a bad portrait of Wellington only out of imagination, but we have every same reason to believe that it is a safe place. Doesn't that conflict nullify itself? It's a Schrodinger's Cat situation, where the act of looking makes the reality, but until then, both can be correct simultaneously.
The only two end-results with Wellington is either that we believe it's safe, or we believe that it's not. Why not go with the happier one? Just. This. Once.
We don't what's inside Wellington , bro.
Edith seemed nice , remember Bonnie was really nice , friendly and sweet.(disregarding what happ… moreened in episode 5).Bonnie was living a lie among tyrants , living as a guard just like Edith and not knowing her Boss's true intentions and motives.
You all say that you find Wellington and it's awesome and yes Edith gave two bags of supplies to Clem and Kenny and told them to come back in month.It might be a ruse and a pretense to let the survivors outside perceive as the community is good..
Wellington is left loose.Something left ambiguous is not always good.Remember life is not a fairy tale we cannot just live peacefully and without hard work and suffering.There's up and down.
Do not judge a book by it's cover and the cover was Edith.
I do like your post , the ending with AJ is alone suicidal.and the ending with Jane is the start of a new beginning accepting new suspicious people is a start and if the these people's intention are bad well there fall is worse.
Stayed at wellington it's kenny dying wish and clemmy and aj would atleast be save for months so they atleast can forget a little about the apocalypse and have some fun.
what if the baby died if they left with kenny he probaly would blame clem or does suicide the baby was the only reason for him te live
So for me wellington was the best and it's probaly what lee would have wanted too for clem she is too young for al this drama she deserves living in a normal community for a while even if it wil collapse after several years.
BUT EVERYONE HAS THERE OWN OPINION AND CLEMENTINE thats why i love those choice stats after each ep=p
Leaving with kenny would be narcistic in my opinion
Remember 400 days , Tavia seemed convincing enough that the community is good , heck the person on the radio said that the community is good but what mattered is the hearth of the community and remember the 400 days cast think based on their experience .
You're right, it is okay to think at least that the community is good and we can live happy in it , but we need to be a little spectacle and that what Russel thought , being this trustworthy and good in a bad situations isn't healthy and suspicious.
So far, the only argument against the "Go to Wellington Ending" is that we don't know what Wellington is like on the inside. Are you saying … morethat it's actually worse than what's on the outside? There are several other arguments against the other endings, such as the ambiguous nature of every other alternative, but why pass the "Go to Wellington Ending" off as another bad mystery simply because of our suspicions against it? We're the ones painting a bad portrait of Wellington only out of imagination, but we have every same reason to believe that it is a safe place. Doesn't that conflict nullify itself? It's a Schrodinger's Cat situation, where the act of looking makes the reality, but until then, both can be correct simultaneously.
The only two end-results with Wellington is either that we believe it's safe, or we believe that it's not. Why not go with the happier one? Just. This. Once.
No we don't. We don't need to be skeptical at all, and assume that Wellington is a bad call; but, if we want an ending with the least amount of uncertainties, the least amount of open-to-debate conclusions, then the "Go to Wellington Ending" is the better call.
This isn't like Tavia, or the St. Johns, or Crawford. If we're basing the strength of each ending on experiences in the past, then I can apply that to the Jane ending too. Remember in 400 Days, where if you let the stranger go, and he comes back with friends? Remember Vernon, who befriended Lee and the group so he could steal the boat? Remember the Safe-Lot bandits?
Then, I can turn up positive examples. Remember Omid and Christa? How about Matthew and Walter? Looking at things with pessimism, we become one with the untrustworthy Cabin Crew, the kinds of people that would lock an eleven year old in the shed simply out of suspicion. If we trust in Wellington, that it is a safe place, and a friendly place, we open up our minds into something we never dared imagined in a Walking Dead ending. A happy ending. For Clem. Isn't that what we all want? For her to be in the safest situation possible? The safest imaginable?
Remember 400 days , Tavia seemed convincing enough that the community is good , heck the person on the radio said that the community is good… more but what mattered is the hearth of the community and remember the 400 days cast think based on their experience .
You're right, it is okay to think at least that the community is good and we can live happy in it , but we need to be a little spectacle and that what Russel thought , being this trustworthy and good in a bad situations isn't healthy and suspicious.
You just persuaded me man , I agree now, but what about Jane's ending if we accept the family we made would made the right call like you said, to stop being skeptical and accept the others and to let down suspicion and to always think positive , right?
No we don't. We don't need to be skeptical at all, and assume that Wellington is a bad call; but, if we want an ending with the least amount… more of uncertainties, the least amount of open-to-debate conclusions, then the "Go to Wellington Ending" is the better call.
This isn't like Tavia, or the St. Johns, or Crawford. If we're basing the strength of each ending on experiences in the past, then I can apply that to the Jane ending too. Remember in 400 Days, where if you let the stranger go, and he comes back with friends? Remember Vernon, who befriended Lee and the group so he could steal the boat? Remember the Safe-Lot bandits?
Then, I can turn up positive examples. Remember Omid and Christa? How about Matthew and Walter? Looking at things with pessimism, we become one with the untrustworthy Cabin Crew, the kinds of people that would lock an eleven year old in the shed simply out of suspicion. If we trust in Wellington, that it is a safe pla… [view original content]
Okay. Let's take a positive look at the Jane outcome. There's resources and security. you can accept newcomers, who may be friendly; but who are you with? Say Clem does trust the newcomers, and the new newcomers. Would Jane? She is the reason why Clem was pushed into killing Kenny, we've already seen how she can be manipulating and cold. She doesn't seem to think about the emotional damage she had foolishly caused to Clem. Is she capable of doing this again?
I don't think ignoring logical flaws in order to stay optimistic on the Jane ending is a fair thing to do. Where is Howe's? What's left at Howe's after Carver's Crew abandoned it? Would Clem and Jane be prepared for another herd of walkers, or could they be ready for an attack by scavengers? Comparatively, Howe's is Wellington from it's beginning, but Wellington already has people that trust each other in it, and already has the highest possible defenses it can have. It also seemingly has all the resources it needs to keep the inhabitants alive. It's already built and prepared to handle everything, but in Howe's, Clem and Jane needs to build up to that. They need to start from scratch. Unlike the "Go to Wellington Ending", we can't simply pass objective thoughts here. We can actually see the flaws of staying with Jane, yet all the flaws with Wellington are superstitions.
In short, by thinking positive, we eliminate the one and only flaw with the Wellington ending; however, this does not fix the problems present within the Jane and Alone endings.
You just persuaded me man , I agree now, but what about Jane's ending if we accept the family we made would made the right call like you sai… mored, to stop being skeptical and accept the others and to let down suspicion and to always think positive , right?
This does not fix the problems present within the Jane and Alone endings.
Why not?Man , like you said just by thinking positive and eliminating the flaws we can start a new life , starting a new beginning is a plausible alternative choice , where ever you are you need to start from the beginning and improve to the better until you reach your goal , that what Wellington did and that what Clem and Jane will do.
I learned in my life that choosing the hard way will always pay off and not just let everything come at you so easily like Wellington (now I'm not saying that Wellington is bad or criticizing it)
And in the end with Jane if you let the timer run out Jane will accept the strangers into the community , you see how Jane became a changed person because of Clementine.
Okay. Let's take a positive look at the Jane outcome. There's resources and security. you can accept newcomers, who may be friendly; but who… more are you with? Say Clem does trust the newcomers, and the new newcomers. Would Jane? She is the reason why Clem was pushed into killing Kenny, we've already seen how she can be manipulating and cold. She doesn't seem to think about the emotional damage she had foolishly caused to Clem. Is she capable of doing this again?
I don't think ignoring logical flaws in order to stay optimistic on the Jane ending is a fair thing to do. Where is Howe's? What's left at Howe's after Carver's Crew abandoned it? Would Clem and Jane be prepared for another herd of walkers, or could they be ready for an attack by scavengers? Comparatively, Howe's is Wellington from it's beginning, but Wellington already has people that trust each other in it, and already has the highest possible defenses it can have. It also seemingly … [view original content]
Does the fact that, as far as Kenny knows, Jane accidentally lost the baby justify murdering her?
Sure, if she did it on purpose, that would be more understandable. But as far as he knew, it was an accident.
That's just the thing, i dont think he would do that to Clem. Jane was a douche to him quite a lot and although nothing really justfies killing her, i just dont see Kenny do the same thing to Clem. If you play through the different kenny endings again you will notice that he is not mad at her or anything for taking AJ and leaving you, even goes so far as to leave you and AJ in wellington with him staying outside. Does that not count for some points for Kenny?
The ending with Kenny isn't necessarily the best.
She either ends up alone in a big community with just the baby, or on the road with Ken… moreny.
What if Clem DID accidentally lose the baby when travelling with Kenny? What if he handled her like he handled Jane?
In the Jane ending, you get to a place which is already ready to be re-fortified, and lots of food.
I think that's a great ending for Clem.
You're hoping things will turn for the better at Howe's, all the while things have already turned out for the better at Wellington. Is Clem and Jane equipped to manage the hardware store by themselves? Not without a group. What happens when they run out of food? Ammo? As Luke mentioned, Carver stripped everything around Howe's. There's nothing left to take around the area, so resupplying is the worst thing they have to manage ontop of the existing walker herds in the forests surrounding it.
Let's remember two things Lee could tell Clem at the finale of Season 1. The first: "You're going to want to find someplace like the Motor Inn (Howe's), but that's just not safe. Those places are just targets." The comparison between this line and the Jane ending is obvious, as it's immediately a concern for Clem and Jane on the day they arrive that the hardware store is attracting more than walker herds, but other survivors. Not all survivors are bad, but not all survivors are good neither.
The second line is: "Try to find a group of good people. Look for someone like Katjaa with them. You know what I mean?" Now we think, where would Clem find a mother figure most? Where would she find good people? Whereas in Howe's, Jane tells Clem that they're low on supplies, implying a restriction on free hand-outs. While in Wellington, they would supply Kenny with a full bag of meds, food, water, and a first aid kit, already wrapped up in a bag. They'd give them a 2nd stash out of good conscious if Clem leaves with Kenny, giving a strong idea that there are good people at Wellington, willing to hand out food and supplies to absolute strangers that can't get access inside. They're helping Clem one way or another, whether she leaves or stays.
This does not fix the problems present within the Jane and Alone endings.
Why not?Man , like you said just by thinking positive and … moreeliminating the flaws we can start a new life , starting a new beginning is a plausible alternative choice , where ever you are you need to start from the beginning and improve to the better until you reach your goal , that what Wellington did and that what Clem and Jane will do.
I learned in my life that choosing the hard way will always pay off and not just let everything come at you so easily like Wellington (now I'm not saying that Wellington is bad or criticizing it)
And in the end with Jane if you let the timer run out Jane will accept the strangers into the community , you see how Jane became a changed person because of Clementine.
First We a greenhouse at Howe's , I don't think they will ever run out of food.
Second it's hardware store , the place is full of tools and weapons.
Third Look at this picture behind Bonnie did you see the weapons did you see the ammo , what about Wellington they will eventually run out of ammo
Did you see the weapons and remember when you were loading ammo there were tons of ammo.
Fourth , I don't think you need a mother figure to realize that's a good group , what about Luke , Pete and Nick.Sarita?
Fifth a place as huge as that , tends to be terrifying , they are not targets.IF bandits attack , just position yourself as a sniper just like how Lily did.
Sixth , The hardware store is filled with dead walkers , basically the store rots from the smell of walkers , and a herd of walkers won't be a problem just get out of the store once they pass re-establish , I don't think anyone will come near the store attempting to rob it while there's a herd coming.
Seventh , speaking of supplies and giving supplies , Bonnie and Carlos said he hid countless of supplies , and Jane and Clementine didn't have the time to check the store entirely as the strangers were approaching.
I don't want to be rude or something , most of your post is invalid , mate.
Okay. Here is my reasoning behind that.
You're hoping things will turn for the better at Howe's, all the while things have already turned… more out for the better at Wellington. Is Clem and Jane equipped to manage the hardware store by themselves? Not without a group. What happens when they run out of food? Ammo? As Luke mentioned, Carver stripped everything around Howe's. There's nothing left to take around the area, so resupplying is the worst thing they have to manage ontop of the existing walker herds in the forests surrounding it.
Let's remember two things Lee could tell Clem at the finale of Season 1. The first: "You're going to want to find someplace like the Motor Inn (Howe's), but that's just not safe. Those places are just targets." The comparison between this line and the Jane ending is obvious, as it's immediately a concern for Clem and Jane on the day they arrive that the hardware store is attracting more than walker herds, but o… [view original content]
One. If Howe's is such a great place, then how come it's abandoned? Where are the rest of the 400 Days crew? What happened to the guards? Were they overwhelmed? Did they leave Howe's for good? Why would they if they still had all that security and safety, all that food and weaponry? If it was such a good place to stay, why didn't they stay? How come it isn't already occupied with survivors before Clem and Jane showed up? You'll probably just say that the herd chased them away, or killed them all. If true, would the same happen to Clem and Jane? Would they, too, be overwhelmed? Where would they go with a swarm of walkers infesting the hardware store? They'd be trapped. If a band of survivors came, would they too be equipped with equal firepower to the arsenal at Howe's? It's still putting Clem in danger, either way. Walkers and scavengers, Clem would have to deal with that. Clementine would have to be shot at, and she'd also be the one shooting, killing, in order to keep Howe's safe from bandits. Not at Wellington.
I'm just pointing out that, comparatively, Wellington is the better place for Clem instead of Howe's. It has nice people, as evidenced by the fact that they give out full bags of supplies to strangers, so the suspicion that Wellington is full of bad people is nullified. This isn't about whether or not Howe's is a good place, it's about which is the better choice for Clem. Where should she be post-Season 2? Surviving with Jane, or living in Wellington?
So, on that note, which ending is the most-proper for Clem? For the game? For us? Which one do we deserve? Which one does she deserve?
First We a greenhouse at Howe's , I don't think they will ever run out of food.
Second it's hardware store , the place is full of tools a… morend weapons.
Third Look at this picture behind Bonnie did you see the weapons did you see the ammo , what about Wellington they will eventually run out of ammo
Did you see the weapons and remember when you were loading ammo there were tons of ammo.
Fourth , I don't think you need a mother figure to realize that's a good group , what about Luke , Pete and Nick.Sarita?
Fifth a place as huge as that , tends to be terrifying , they are not targets.IF bandits attack , just position yourself as a sniper just like how Lily did.
Sixth , The hardware store is filled with dead walkers , basically the store rots from the smell of walkers , and a herd of walkers won't be a problem just get out of the store once they pass re-establish , I don't think anyone will come near the store attempting to rob… [view original content]
Yeah , i did listen to Kenny but not Jane, wanna know why? Because he made good points, and she didn't , all she says was :hurrr i'm sorry i TOTALLY didn't expect him to get this mad if i spent the whole day picking on him , talking shit about his past , then i pretend like i got one of the two things he cares about the most killed.
And as i said before , she had a good chance of stopping what happened , but didn't.
Janes plan wasn't to get Kenny killed. She said that. She just wanted Clementine to see what Kenny really is, a violent psychopath, which she did.
Funny how people will listen to what their.beloved Kenny says, but not Jane.
Maybe she wanted to die? No, wait, she was asking Clem to help, despite telling her not to get involved, despite all she had to do was tell Kenny that AJ was still alive to get him to stop. Holy crap, Jane became a complete idiot all of a sudden.
Yeah , i did listen to Kenny but not Jane, wanna know why? Because he made good points, and she didn't , all she says was :hurrr i'm sorry i… more TOTALLY didn't expect him to get this mad if i spent the whole day picking on him , talking shit about his past , then i pretend like i got one of the two things he cares about the most killed.
And as i said before , she had a good chance of stopping what happened , but didn't.
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Don't you get it? Throw away the fact that she started it, because all that is just in hindsight. In Kenny's mind, she had really lost the baby. He didn't know why. He didn't know how. With zero information, he attacked and murdered/attempted murder a woman who was very likely completely innocent (babies are vulnerable, babies can easily die).
The point isn't that she instigated it, because Kenny didn't even know that. You can't justify what he did with hindsight.
Exactly,Kenny zealots only escalating the hot situation.
There is no "right" ending, however there is a "best" ending based on your opinion. For example, the best ending In my opinion is the one where Clem and Kenny go to Wellington. I'm not sure if there is a canon ending either, but to me the Wellington ending felt the most canon,
Every ending is a canon ending,the story tailored by how you play it,it's okay if you're stating your opinion which one is the best,but it's not okay to bash someone's choice just because it's different than yours,which is why this thread made to complain the dozens of Kenny Circlejerk thread.
brb making a kenny circlejerk meme
need to plunder some Kenny apologists profile pictures * looks around *
I think he'd be mad (a lot of people would be), but I don't think he'd go as far as he did with Jane, or hit her or anything. He'd probably just how he reacted to the Sarita situation.
The reason he flipped out on Jane was because he thought she killed the baby, because she didn't want it around in the first place. I don't agree with how he reacted to Jane, but I can kind of understand why he would think that way. He knows that Clem wouldn't kill the baby.
ya'll saw nothin
I would propose that there isn't one "right" ending, but there is a "most-proper" ending. I've thought it through, and I'll explain my reasoning why I believe the "Wellington Ending" is what I would consider the most-proper conclusion.
First and foremost, we need to remember the main motivation since the start of Season 2. Clem and Christa were headed to Wellington. That was their goal before getting separated. Clem just so happened to get picked up by the Cabin Crew, and then she got stuck into their problems with Carver, which transitioned to Jane. Wellington, and the search for Christa, was Clem's motivation in the beginning, so should it be left a plot-hole if Wellington was ignored or never shown at the end?
Going Alone: This is what I would consider the least-proper ending, where Clem is marching towards the walkers, covered in their blood. If we were to see this act metaphorically, she is joining them, becoming one with them in a sense. By blending in with the walkers, a subtlety of her fate can be contemplated. Clem's alone with little to no resources. She has an infant that is incapable of controlling his emotions, and will inadvertently act as a beacon to anything that will hear him. Eventually, one of them, if not both of them will probably die in this situation, unless Clem comes across some sort of miracle. Her fate is undoubtedly unknown, as we have no idea where she is, or how she is. How long will she be alone? How far will she go until something happens to AJ? What if something happens to Clem? There's more than just walkers out there, and we've seen what people are capable of with both seasons in mind.
Return to Howe's: While not the worst possible conclusion, the idea that Clem would bunk in a ravaged fortress, which was known to have herd encounters, and now has a ruined defensive stability as well as a now scavenged food supply, as Jane mentioned upon meeting the family, we have just one question to ask: "What happens next?" What happens if they allow nobody to join them? Would they be attacked by another herd of walkers? The hardware store is far too big to keep maintained by only two people. It is entirely possible for someone to slip in undetected, granted if the walkers had been able to do so, such as the expansion by the comic store. Another thing to consider is, if they do start letting people in, how long until they let the wrong people in? What if the family they encounter were villainous? Remember what the kid says to Clem: "I like your hat." Isn't this vaguely similar to when Michelle had an interest in Clem's hat in Gil's Truckstop? Either he's taking a liking to Clementine, or he's already interested in something that doesn't belong to him. No matter the outcome, we are left guessing whether or not Clem is safe at Howe's, whether Jane and Clem would remain safe despite the herd encounters and the other survivors that come to be let in. Can Jane still be trusted after pulling that stunt that forced Clem to kill Kenny? Can she even trust anyone anymore in this situation?
Go With Kenny Ending: Before I start an explanation as to why the "Wellington Ending" is the most proper, we must first discuss why it isn't proper to abandon it with Kenny. First: how many people died on the way to Wellington? Countless. The whole Cabin Crew, most of the Lodge Inhabitants, Carver's Posse, Russian Survivors. I won't try to count them all, but there was so much death between the time Clem and Christa got separated, to the time Clem finally reached Wellington, all their deaths would have been meaningless if Clem simply said "no" and turned back. It would be like reaching a finish-line, and turning back to go elsewhere before passing through. Plus, as Kenny mentioned, Clem and AJ may not be able to survive out in the wilderness for long. Kenny's still an unstable mess, and his impatience to get the kids to safety, to Wellington, may have been misunderstood as his own determination to reach Wellington himself. If we look back at Season 1, he tells Lee that, after the kids are fed: "That's what a real man does." He looks out for the children. Kenny demonstrates this consistently with AJ, and he breathes it with Clem. It's why he is willing to maroon himself in the cold wilderness if it means that they would be safe. If Clem refuses this, she is refuses Kenny's purpose in life. She is refusing his sacrifice for her, and where would they go from there? There is no real direction for where Kenny and Clem go if they leave Wellington together, leaving us guessing the fate of Clem.
Go to Wellington Ending: Alas, we reach the big reason why I consider this to be the most "proper-ending" to TWD S2. One big reason being that it was a promised safe-haven, and clearly has the resources to keep Clem and AJ protected. Although we don't know the occupants of the encampment, they're surely not nearly as bad as Crawford or Camp Carver. The worst thing about Wellington is that everyone would be a stranger for Clem. She won't need to worry about other survivors or walkers, nor would she need to worry about resource management. Unlike the other conclusions, she is free from all the responsibilities that had been forced onto her with the Zombie Apocalypse. She can enjoy being a kid if she wanted to, and she could potentially find guardians within Wellington that may have more experience with families than Jane or even Kenny. The biggest reason, though, is that we know where Clem is, and we'll know how she is. We can assume with certainty that Clementine will be safe in Wellington for months, maybe even years, maybe even for the rest of her life! Where is Clem after Season 2? She's safe in Wellington. It's something we can believe most of all, unlike all the other endings which gives us vague cliffhangers of distrust, emergency and isolation. For Clem to be safe, it's what Lee would have wanted most, and she's safest where she has the most guarantees of security, which is in a giant freaking Castle Black fortress with huge ass walls.
So all this in summary, Wellington was the main drive for Clem in the start, and it would be fitting if she found it in the end. Wellington is also the one place we can be sure she'd stay the safest. It's the answer to the big question: "Where is Clementine after Season 2, and is she safe?" It's the most proper conclusion because it can stay as this conclusion. Clem's story could stop at Wellington because she can stay there indefinitely. She isn't dead, nor is she still struggling to survive like everyone else. Where's Kenny? We don't know. Where's Christa? We don't know. Where's Bonnie and Mike? We don't know. Where's Lilly? We don't know. What's happening with Jane at Howe's? We don't know. Where's Clementine? Wellington. Safe. Alive.
I saw that,and I was wondering what would happen if you put that on TWD meme & funny stuff thread.
Haha look a Kenny fan who doesn't respect opinions, what a shocker!
And you prove my point even further of you being an example of why Kenny fans have a bad reputation with many.
Janes plan wasn't to get Kenny killed. She said that. She just wanted Clementine to see what Kenny really is, a violent psychopath, which she did.
Funny how people will listen to what their.beloved Kenny says, but not Jane.
Kenny, good? Don't make me laugh. Jane and Kenny are both shitbags, but at least Jane doesn't go on psychopathic rampages.
So he got upset and wanted the kids to be safe. That makes him not broken how?
awhh come on man, its not all Kenny fans who is like that
yeahhh, your`e totally not a Kenny hater
she already done that... literally xD
I very much agree that there is no "best" ending that is best for everyone. It is entirely up to each individual player to decide for themselves.
I know, I didn't mean to generalise. It's just that a lot of Kenny fans are like that.
We don't what's inside Wellington , bro.
Edith seemed nice , remember Bonnie was really nice , friendly and sweet.(disregarding what happened in episode 5).Bonnie was living a lie among tyrants , living as a guard just like Edith and not knowing her Boss's true intentions and motives.
You all say that you find Wellington and it's awesome and yes Edith gave two bags of supplies to Clem and Kenny and told them to come back in month.It might be a ruse and a pretense to let the survivors outside perceive as the community is good..
Wellington is left loose.Something left ambiguous is not always good.Remember life is not a fairy tale we cannot just live peacefully and without hard work and suffering.There's up and down.
Do not judge a book by it's cover and the cover was Edith.
I do like your post , the ending with AJ is alone suicidal.and the ending with Jane is the start of a new beginning accepting new suspicious people is a start and if the these people's intention are bad well there fall is worse.
It's not the reason of knowing him since Season 1! The reason is that he protects the people, who he loves with his own life. He cares about Clem and AJ more about anything now. AND he is the only Person i trusted in Season 2. He was the only pure Person in Season 2.
If you would get shot or attacked or anything no one would save you. Not Luke, not Becca, not Bonnie, not Carlos or Nick(saved you once but only he wanted to die anyway) they would all save their own asses BUT Kenny would. He just lost everyone he loved. Clem did, too but Kenny thinks it's his fault, that Duck and Sarita died, what makes it harder for him. Thats why he changed so much during Season 2, but deep inside he is still the same person. Another reason he was a dick to everyone is because they are the reason why this all happened to Kenny. They just came to Kennys "residence" and brought Carver with 'em. That's how all the bullshit started. I would act exactly like Kenny to be honest.
So if you can't understand why he is acting like he is acting. you're just an asshole.
And I don't believe he would do anything to hurt Clementine or AJ (physically). He is a dick, when he is mad but I can understand him and he apologizes everytime. He knows it's wrong and tries to do better.
THATS why Kenny!
Will you stop it , we get it it's an emotional ending and it's better than Jane's but just Stop being childish and rub it in our faces.
Jane's ending is good too.
Jane ending is depressing
Why because you didn't shed any tear just like Kenny's ending?
Because we met suspicious people that might want to kill us these thinks same as Clem and Jane the guys needed to be aware and careful before approaching the fence.Just like in Wellington they shot a warning shot just to make sure then accepted Clem and AJ.
And the gun in the pocket was cynical but that guy need it to protect his family from twisted folks and walkers.
So far, the only argument against the "Go to Wellington Ending" is that we don't know what Wellington is like on the inside. Are you saying that it's actually worse than what's on the outside? There are several other arguments against the other endings, such as the ambiguous nature of every other alternative, but why pass the "Go to Wellington Ending" off as another bad mystery simply because of our suspicions against it? We're the ones painting a bad portrait of Wellington only out of imagination, but we have every same reason to believe that it is a safe place. Doesn't that conflict nullify itself? It's a Schrodinger's Cat situation, where the act of looking makes the reality, but until then, both can be correct simultaneously.
The only two end-results with Wellington is either that we believe it's safe, or we believe that it's not. Why not go with the happier one? Just. This. Once.
Stayed at wellington it's kenny dying wish and clemmy and aj would atleast be save for months so they atleast can forget a little about the apocalypse and have some fun.
what if the baby died if they left with kenny he probaly would blame clem or does suicide the baby was the only reason for him te live
So for me wellington was the best and it's probaly what lee would have wanted too for clem she is too young for al this drama she deserves living in a normal community for a while even if it wil collapse after several years.
BUT EVERYONE HAS THERE OWN OPINION AND CLEMENTINE thats why i love those choice stats after each ep=p
Leaving with kenny would be narcistic in my opinion
Remember 400 days , Tavia seemed convincing enough that the community is good , heck the person on the radio said that the community is good but what mattered is the hearth of the community and remember the 400 days cast think based on their experience .
You're right, it is okay to think at least that the community is good and we can live happy in it , but we need to be a little spectacle and that what Russel thought , being this trustworthy and good in a bad situations isn't healthy and suspicious.
No we don't. We don't need to be skeptical at all, and assume that Wellington is a bad call; but, if we want an ending with the least amount of uncertainties, the least amount of open-to-debate conclusions, then the "Go to Wellington Ending" is the better call.
This isn't like Tavia, or the St. Johns, or Crawford. If we're basing the strength of each ending on experiences in the past, then I can apply that to the Jane ending too. Remember in 400 Days, where if you let the stranger go, and he comes back with friends? Remember Vernon, who befriended Lee and the group so he could steal the boat? Remember the Safe-Lot bandits?
Then, I can turn up positive examples. Remember Omid and Christa? How about Matthew and Walter? Looking at things with pessimism, we become one with the untrustworthy Cabin Crew, the kinds of people that would lock an eleven year old in the shed simply out of suspicion. If we trust in Wellington, that it is a safe place, and a friendly place, we open up our minds into something we never dared imagined in a Walking Dead ending. A happy ending. For Clem. Isn't that what we all want? For her to be in the safest situation possible? The safest imaginable?
You just persuaded me man , I agree now, but what about Jane's ending if we accept the family we made would made the right call like you said, to stop being skeptical and accept the others and to let down suspicion and to always think positive , right?
Okay. Let's take a positive look at the Jane outcome. There's resources and security. you can accept newcomers, who may be friendly; but who are you with? Say Clem does trust the newcomers, and the new newcomers. Would Jane? She is the reason why Clem was pushed into killing Kenny, we've already seen how she can be manipulating and cold. She doesn't seem to think about the emotional damage she had foolishly caused to Clem. Is she capable of doing this again?
I don't think ignoring logical flaws in order to stay optimistic on the Jane ending is a fair thing to do. Where is Howe's? What's left at Howe's after Carver's Crew abandoned it? Would Clem and Jane be prepared for another herd of walkers, or could they be ready for an attack by scavengers? Comparatively, Howe's is Wellington from it's beginning, but Wellington already has people that trust each other in it, and already has the highest possible defenses it can have. It also seemingly has all the resources it needs to keep the inhabitants alive. It's already built and prepared to handle everything, but in Howe's, Clem and Jane needs to build up to that. They need to start from scratch. Unlike the "Go to Wellington Ending", we can't simply pass objective thoughts here. We can actually see the flaws of staying with Jane, yet all the flaws with Wellington are superstitions.
In short, by thinking positive, we eliminate the one and only flaw with the Wellington ending; however, this does not fix the problems present within the Jane and Alone endings.
Why not?Man , like you said just by thinking positive and eliminating the flaws we can start a new life , starting a new beginning is a plausible alternative choice , where ever you are you need to start from the beginning and improve to the better until you reach your goal , that what Wellington did and that what Clem and Jane will do.
I learned in my life that choosing the hard way will always pay off and not just let everything come at you so easily like Wellington (now I'm not saying that Wellington is bad or criticizing it)
And in the end with Jane if you let the timer run out Jane will accept the strangers into the community , you see how Jane became a changed person because of Clementine.
Agrred.
That's just the thing, i dont think he would do that to Clem. Jane was a douche to him quite a lot and although nothing really justfies killing her, i just dont see Kenny do the same thing to Clem. If you play through the different kenny endings again you will notice that he is not mad at her or anything for taking AJ and leaving you, even goes so far as to leave you and AJ in wellington with him staying outside. Does that not count for some points for Kenny?
The post was anti Kenny fans, not anti Kenny.
And I liked season one kenny.
Okay. Here is my reasoning behind that.
You're hoping things will turn for the better at Howe's, all the while things have already turned out for the better at Wellington. Is Clem and Jane equipped to manage the hardware store by themselves? Not without a group. What happens when they run out of food? Ammo? As Luke mentioned, Carver stripped everything around Howe's. There's nothing left to take around the area, so resupplying is the worst thing they have to manage ontop of the existing walker herds in the forests surrounding it.
Let's remember two things Lee could tell Clem at the finale of Season 1. The first: "You're going to want to find someplace like the Motor Inn (Howe's), but that's just not safe. Those places are just targets." The comparison between this line and the Jane ending is obvious, as it's immediately a concern for Clem and Jane on the day they arrive that the hardware store is attracting more than walker herds, but other survivors. Not all survivors are bad, but not all survivors are good neither.
The second line is: "Try to find a group of good people. Look for someone like Katjaa with them. You know what I mean?" Now we think, where would Clem find a mother figure most? Where would she find good people? Whereas in Howe's, Jane tells Clem that they're low on supplies, implying a restriction on free hand-outs. While in Wellington, they would supply Kenny with a full bag of meds, food, water, and a first aid kit, already wrapped up in a bag. They'd give them a 2nd stash out of good conscious if Clem leaves with Kenny, giving a strong idea that there are good people at Wellington, willing to hand out food and supplies to absolute strangers that can't get access inside. They're helping Clem one way or another, whether she leaves or stays.
First We a greenhouse at Howe's , I don't think they will ever run out of food.
Second it's hardware store , the place is full of tools and weapons.
Third Look at this picture behind Bonnie did you see the weapons did you see the ammo , what about Wellington they will eventually run out of ammo
Did you see the weapons and remember when you were loading ammo there were tons of ammo.
Fourth , I don't think you need a mother figure to realize that's a good group , what about Luke , Pete and Nick.Sarita?
Fifth a place as huge as that , tends to be terrifying , they are not targets.IF bandits attack , just position yourself as a sniper just like how Lily did.
Sixth , The hardware store is filled with dead walkers , basically the store rots from the smell of walkers , and a herd of walkers won't be a problem just get out of the store once they pass re-establish , I don't think anyone will come near the store attempting to rob it while there's a herd coming.
Seventh , speaking of supplies and giving supplies , Bonnie and Carlos said he hid countless of supplies , and Jane and Clementine didn't have the time to check the store entirely as the strangers were approaching.
I don't want to be rude or something , most of your post is invalid , mate.
One. If Howe's is such a great place, then how come it's abandoned? Where are the rest of the 400 Days crew? What happened to the guards? Were they overwhelmed? Did they leave Howe's for good? Why would they if they still had all that security and safety, all that food and weaponry? If it was such a good place to stay, why didn't they stay? How come it isn't already occupied with survivors before Clem and Jane showed up? You'll probably just say that the herd chased them away, or killed them all. If true, would the same happen to Clem and Jane? Would they, too, be overwhelmed? Where would they go with a swarm of walkers infesting the hardware store? They'd be trapped. If a band of survivors came, would they too be equipped with equal firepower to the arsenal at Howe's? It's still putting Clem in danger, either way. Walkers and scavengers, Clem would have to deal with that. Clementine would have to be shot at, and she'd also be the one shooting, killing, in order to keep Howe's safe from bandits. Not at Wellington.
I'm just pointing out that, comparatively, Wellington is the better place for Clem instead of Howe's. It has nice people, as evidenced by the fact that they give out full bags of supplies to strangers, so the suspicion that Wellington is full of bad people is nullified. This isn't about whether or not Howe's is a good place, it's about which is the better choice for Clem. Where should she be post-Season 2? Surviving with Jane, or living in Wellington?
So, on that note, which ending is the most-proper for Clem? For the game? For us? Which one do we deserve? Which one does she deserve?
Yeah , i did listen to Kenny but not Jane, wanna know why? Because he made good points, and she didn't , all she says was :hurrr i'm sorry i TOTALLY didn't expect him to get this mad if i spent the whole day picking on him , talking shit about his past , then i pretend like i got one of the two things he cares about the most killed.
And as i said before , she had a good chance of stopping what happened , but didn't.
Maybe she wanted to die? No, wait, she was asking Clem to help, despite telling her not to get involved, despite all she had to do was tell Kenny that AJ was still alive to get him to stop. Holy crap, Jane became a complete idiot all of a sudden.