He was trying to run because Kenny was a terrifying mess. If anything, KENNY deserved to get beat down for what he did to Arvo - using Luke… more's death as an excuse to try and kill Arvo when they entered the house without even bothering to start a fire or see if Arvo was telling the truth about his supplies.
The scene where he beats Arvo is deliberately meant to resemble Carver's beating of Kenny...
I learned that many people suffer short term memory loss regarding anyone whose name isn't Kenny.
Doesn't matter how irresponsible and immature Luke was in Episode 4, he wasn't a threat to Kenny's position as top dog anymore in Episode 5, so everyone's cool with him. Doesn't matter how many lives she saved and selfless risks she made before, Jane is a heartless inhumane bitch now. Doesn't matter how many times Mike and Bonnie helped us out in the past and clearly showed that they were decent people, they're completely irredeemable selfish monsters who deserve to die :P
I love Jane, but she kind of reminds me of that crazy ex girl/boyfriend that would date your friends or do annoying ass shit to get you to take her back. Except in this case, it was murder. Kind of like Lila from Dexter.
He was trying to run because Kenny was a terrifying mess. If anything, KENNY deserved to get beat down for what he did to Arvo - using Luke… more's death as an excuse to try and kill Arvo when they entered the house without even bothering to start a fire or see if Arvo was telling the truth about his supplies.
The scene where he beats Arvo is deliberately meant to resemble Carver's beating of Kenny...
He was trying to run because Kenny was a terrifying mess. If anything, KENNY deserved to get beat down for what he did to Arvo - using Luke… more's death as an excuse to try and kill Arvo when they entered the house without even bothering to start a fire or see if Arvo was telling the truth about his supplies.
The scene where he beats Arvo is deliberately meant to resemble Carver's beating of Kenny...
Except from his point of view, Arvo was shooting Clem for murdering Natasha. He clearly believed she was alive because he was giving her chest pumps, and he never saw her turn because Kenny was holding him hostage. He only saw Clem shoot his sister directly in the face, and no one ever told him that she was already dead. Which makes his actions a lot more understandable and tragic.
Still doesn't make right that he was going to take all of our supplies and leave in the truck with Mike and Bonnie, which could have caused the baby's death.
Except from his point of view, Arvo was shooting Clem for murdering Natasha. He clearly believed she was alive because he was giving her che… morest pumps, and he never saw her turn because Kenny was holding him hostage. He only saw Clem shoot his sister directly in the face, and no one ever told him that she was already dead. Which makes his actions a lot more understandable and tragic.
Well, the group basically murdered all of his friends and family, so I don't blame him for not giving a damn about the baby by that point. We saw in Episode 4 that he clearly didn't want to hurt Clem's group and only wanted to take back what was stolen. No one wanted the shoot out to occur. Arvo was driven to do what he did because he lost everything and was at his breaking point, not because he's a malicious asshole.
Still doesn't make right that he was going to take all of our supplies and leave in the truck with Mike and Bonnie, which could have caused the baby's death.
Well, the group basically murdered all of his friends and family, so I don't blame him for not giving a damn about the baby by that point. W… moree saw in Episode 4 that he clearly didn't want to hurt Clem's group and only wanted to take back what was stolen. No one wanted the shoot out to occur. Arvo was driven to do what he did because he lost everything and was at his breaking point, not because he's a malicious asshole.
Jane wasn't a bad character, and Kenny wasn't always good. I would kill Arvo and Bonnie if we get the chance in Season 3, that would be awesome. They never said if they killed them or anything like that.
Kenny lost people, doesn't give him a reason to beat the shit out of a harmless boy who'd already lost his family and in no way posed a threat to him.
The problem with Arvo shooting Clem is that for a lot of people basically justifies the racist, mindlessly cruel way Kenny treated Arvo. For me, there was no forgiving Kenny after seeing him beat Arvo almost to death and then never even realizing why that was wrong.
Arvo didn't have to lie and tell his group that Clem stole from him, he could have said "Put your guns down, they weren't the ones who stole our meds." And shooting a child is completely unforgivable, And it seemed like to me that Arvo wasn't listening to a word Kenny said, which caused him to get pushed around, and even if you try to help him out he's still a prick.
Kenny lost people, doesn't give him a reason to beat the shit out of a harmless boy who'd already lost his family and in no way posed a thre… moreat to him.
The problem with Arvo shooting Clem is that for a lot of people basically justifies the racist, mindlessly cruel way Kenny treated Arvo. For me, there was no forgiving Kenny after seeing him beat Arvo almost to death and then never even realizing why that was wrong.
To be fair, he thought that Jane was part of Clem's group, and wanted to get back at them for Jane's actions, which is understandable. He was probably thinking "People in this little girl's group stole from me and abused me, we're justified in robbing them".
And I'd say shooting a child would be forgivable if said child murdered your sister. I know that's not what actually what happened, but that's what Arvo saw happen.
And Kenny beat the shit out of Arvo after Luke's death and blamed him entirely, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in Luke's death in any way at all. And for the instances he wasn't listening to Kenny, it's pretty clear it was because he couldn't understand him. "It? It what?"
Arvo didn't have to lie and tell his group that Clem stole from him, he could have said "Put your guns down, they weren't the ones who stole… more our meds." And shooting a child is completely unforgivable, And it seemed like to me that Arvo wasn't listening to a word Kenny said, which caused him to get pushed around, and even if you try to help him out he's still a prick.
Kenny lost people, doesn't give him a reason to beat the shit out of a harmless boy who'd already lost his family and in no way posed a thre… moreat to him.
The problem with Arvo shooting Clem is that for a lot of people basically justifies the racist, mindlessly cruel way Kenny treated Arvo. For me, there was no forgiving Kenny after seeing him beat Arvo almost to death and then never even realizing why that was wrong.
Also, the point you made about that Clem's group murdered all his friends, Arvo's group started the fight, they had every reason to kill Arvo's group, they were defending themselves.
To be fair, he thought that Jane was part of Clem's group, and wanted to get back at them for Jane's actions, which is understandable. He wa… mores probably thinking "People in this little girl's group stole from me and abused me, we're justified in robbing them".
And I'd say shooting a child would be forgivable if said child murdered your sister. I know that's not what actually what happened, but that's what Arvo saw happen.
And Kenny beat the shit out of Arvo after Luke's death and blamed him entirely, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in Luke's death in any way at all. And for the instances he wasn't listening to Kenny, it's pretty clear it was because he couldn't understand him. "It? It what?"
Kenny is still a good man in the end, even if he did do messed up things, he tells Clem to take AJ and leave him behind if you let him kill Jane, he thought of the children I'll give you a quote back in S1EP2
Kenny walks up to Lee
Lee: Look, Kenny I know I-
Kenny: You put the kids before yourself Lee, that's what a real man does.
Bokor, you saying that Americans hate Arvo simply because he is Russian/disabled is pretty offensive and presumptuous in and of itself. Just letting you know.
Anyway, I second what BipedalP said. I dislike Arvo because he lied about Clem and Jane robbing him, set the entire group up, and then fucking shot Clem in the shoulder. It has nothing to do with his nationality or disability.
Arvo - a boy in a bad situation whose nationality and disability leads Americans to hate him just because.
Kenny - Carver's spiritual suc… morecessor, and an abusive mess who I wish I could just leave or kill off without having to listen to his nonsense
Mike and Bonnie - good people who made a selfish choice out of fear
Jane - an untrustworthy creep who is just as frightening as Kenny
Clementine - the living embodiment of hope in a dead world
Kenny is still a good man in the end, even if he did do messed up things, he tells Clem to take AJ and leave him behind if you let him kill… more Jane, he thought of the children I'll give you a quote back in S1EP2
Kenny walks up to Lee
Lee: Look, Kenny I know I-
Kenny: You put the kids before yourself Lee, that's what a real man does.
Arvo = Did crazy shit after suffering terrible abuse at the hands of Kendog.
Kenny = Lilly with a splash of Carver thrown in.
Mike= wai u no let me come pls
Clem = Clem
Jane = redeemable.
Arvo = Did crazy shit after suffering terrible abuse at the hands of Kendog.
Kenny = Lilly with a splash of Carver thrown in.
Mike= wai u no let me come pls
Clem = Clem
Jane = redeemable.
Ben was technically a kid, but Kenny just saw him as the kid who got his whole family killed, just like Arvo saw Clementine as the person who killed his sister. They both wanted revenge.
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It doesn't justify him lying about Clem stealing the medicine, and he didn't have to run, he made it worse for himself because he tried to escape.
I learned that many people suffer short term memory loss regarding anyone whose name isn't Kenny.
Doesn't matter how irresponsible and immature Luke was in Episode 4, he wasn't a threat to Kenny's position as top dog anymore in Episode 5, so everyone's cool with him. Doesn't matter how many lives she saved and selfless risks she made before, Jane is a heartless inhumane bitch now. Doesn't matter how many times Mike and Bonnie helped us out in the past and clearly showed that they were decent people, they're completely irredeemable selfish monsters who deserve to die :P
I love Jane, but she kind of reminds me of that crazy ex girl/boyfriend that would date your friends or do annoying ass shit to get you to take her back. Except in this case, it was murder. Kind of like Lila from Dexter.
That the only person that can get shit done is yourself.
It's even further symbolized by Kenny if you watched him kill Carver, "What? You lost your taste for this sort of thing" if you try to stop him.
A bad apple in the post apocalypse is only acting out of desperation
Unless you're Carver. I'd like to see what he was like before the whole zombie thing happened
I learned that grief and fear can turn people into monsters.
I learned that most people, even the nice ones, are willing to put survival above loyalty.
Because Carver and Arvo were the same person in Kenny's mind. Hell, they may very well have been...
Also shooting a child because he held a grudge is completely unforgivable.
And take have if you...* snickers *....LIKE
oh boy it's that time of the late night when I start making puns
I personally, let Kenny do his thing and told Mike to back off.
Except from his point of view, Arvo was shooting Clem for murdering Natasha. He clearly believed she was alive because he was giving her chest pumps, and he never saw her turn because Kenny was holding him hostage. He only saw Clem shoot his sister directly in the face, and no one ever told him that she was already dead. Which makes his actions a lot more understandable and tragic.
Still doesn't make right that he was going to take all of our supplies and leave in the truck with Mike and Bonnie, which could have caused the baby's death.
Well, the group basically murdered all of his friends and family, so I don't blame him for not giving a damn about the baby by that point. We saw in Episode 4 that he clearly didn't want to hurt Clem's group and only wanted to take back what was stolen. No one wanted the shoot out to occur. Arvo was driven to do what he did because he lost everything and was at his breaking point, not because he's a malicious asshole.
Everyone else lost people they loved too, doesn't give Arvo a reason to do the things he did.
If you ask about Bonnie Kenny says they ran away.
Kenny lost people, doesn't give him a reason to beat the shit out of a harmless boy who'd already lost his family and in no way posed a threat to him.
The problem with Arvo shooting Clem is that for a lot of people basically justifies the racist, mindlessly cruel way Kenny treated Arvo. For me, there was no forgiving Kenny after seeing him beat Arvo almost to death and then never even realizing why that was wrong.
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Is not what I gave you a like for, you little rapscallion !
Arvo didn't have to lie and tell his group that Clem stole from him, he could have said "Put your guns down, they weren't the ones who stole our meds." And shooting a child is completely unforgivable, And it seemed like to me that Arvo wasn't listening to a word Kenny said, which caused him to get pushed around, and even if you try to help him out he's still a prick.
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To be fair, he thought that Jane was part of Clem's group, and wanted to get back at them for Jane's actions, which is understandable. He was probably thinking "People in this little girl's group stole from me and abused me, we're justified in robbing them".
And I'd say shooting a child would be forgivable if said child murdered your sister. I know that's not what actually what happened, but that's what Arvo saw happen.
And Kenny beat the shit out of Arvo after Luke's death and blamed him entirely, despite the fact that he wasn't involved in Luke's death in any way at all. And for the instances he wasn't listening to Kenny, it's pretty clear it was because he couldn't understand him. "It? It what?"
Also, even if you let Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo leave, he still shoots you, all he wanted was revenge.
Also, the point you made about that Clem's group murdered all his friends, Arvo's group started the fight, they had every reason to kill Arvo's group, they were defending themselves.
What I've learned is that no matter which decision you make, it will follow you to the end.
Well, the lovely heart deserved a like anyway.
Kenny is still a good man in the end, even if he did do messed up things, he tells Clem to take AJ and leave him behind if you let him kill Jane, he thought of the children I'll give you a quote back in S1EP2
Kenny walks up to Lee
Lee: Look, Kenny I know I-
Kenny: You put the kids before yourself Lee, that's what a real man does.
Bokor, you saying that Americans hate Arvo simply because he is Russian/disabled is pretty offensive and presumptuous in and of itself. Just letting you know.
Anyway, I second what BipedalP said. I dislike Arvo because he lied about Clem and Jane robbing him, set the entire group up, and then fucking shot Clem in the shoulder. It has nothing to do with his nationality or disability.
Arvo = scared child , don't deserve to die
Kenny = always been a good protector for clem
Mike = was a relly nice guy but i dont understand why he wanted to leave without clem jane and kenny
Bonnie = a nice girl , but she sould not have decided to steal the car from kenny
Luke = a really good man RIP
Jane = a bit weird and a bitch at the end
Believe it or not, Kenny has changed a hell of alot since Season 1 Episode 2.
Still though, he put the kids before himself, unlike Arvo, who just wanted revenge.
Same.
Filthy glass eater , Seriously?
Golden words.
Golden words.
what i learnt is .... never trust a person who talks sweetly to u and always trust those who scolds u and hates u
Arvo - Ben 2.0
Jane - Manipulative, Cold, Evil, bitch.
Kenny - New father figure, not insane, awesome.
Mike - Fucker
Bonnie - Fucker
Luke - ded.
I learned two things. Never let go of your humanity and never forget the loved ones you lost.
You just have to laugh at things like that.
Well, laugh and have another beer in my case.
Ben was technically a kid, but Kenny just saw him as the kid who got his whole family killed, just like Arvo saw Clementine as the person who killed his sister. They both wanted revenge.
You can't trust me then. Oh well.
ben wasnt so cruel compared to that fucking shitbird