Yeah he went off at her because it made sense to him- but that is not a legitimate reason to kill someone.
I never said it was, I ju… morest said that Jane´s attitude made plausible for him that she killed AJ and that Kenny just lashed out baselessly is plainly wrong.
And Comintern1919 was describing the sort of thing Kenny should have come to the conclusion to, not 'baby killer!'
Even if Comintern mean that, which he clearly doesn´t, Kenny has enougth reasons to come to that conclusion, like I already said.
Kenny's attitude throughout the season was just getting worse and worse Kenny's attitude throughout the season was just getting worse and worse. Naturally in the last episode you'd expect him to be at his worst (not that it wasn't without reason, Sarita's death, the mangling Carver gave him). He was constantly caustic throughout the season and there were even a couple weird tense moments in episode 2
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I'd say they were as bad as each other, and my decision in the end was that Kenny more dangerous out of the two of them to be with.
… moreI literally can´t believe this, but okay, is just your opinion. Let me just say that even Kenny´s worse mistakes don´t compare to Jane´s little stun.
HOWEVER! At the point Kenny is going to kill Jane all you KNOW (wish I could do italics here, I'm not shouting, just emphasising) is that the baby was killed accidentally- only with hindsight do you find out that she hadn't killed him.
There are number reasons why you can figure of Jane is lying before that: Jane seems shocked when she enters the Rest Stop, yet drops that attitude the second Kenny goes outside, she practically confess that to Clem and her response when Kenny is stabbing her and screams I fucking will you, which is I knew you would.
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Not if it's in defense though. She didn't say she wanted to gut him or move to hurt him, she stood defensively. If someone is scared that doesn't mean they'll hit you before you hit them
I see your point but:
You fight with your knife until there is a short pause. You put away the knife and say it was an accident. But a… mores soon as you finished the sentence, Kenny attacks you again. You defend yourself until Kenny get's the upper hand and holds a knife to your threat. You try to reason with Kenny, but it's too late, and he kills you.
I replayed that scene thrice and from my point of view that's not how it happened. By the way let me tell this first, I actually liked Jane from the begining. But in that particular scene she was wrong in many ways. Jane pulled out her knife, which was a mistake, yes she was in self defense but that only made things worse. Pulling a weapon in a fight shows lethal intent, and that rarely ends up well, unless you are certain the person on the other side can be easily intimidated. She should have known Kenny by now. When she put away the knife there was actually a pause, but instead of us… [view original content]
Except the scene is not tense, and by what Sarita said, that when she meet Kenny he couldn´t even lift I-don´t-remember-what, he is just simply wanting to do those kinds of things himself.
Tense scene in which he shouts at Sarita in Ep2
Except the scene is not tense, and by what Sarita said, that when she meet Kenny he couldn´t even lift I-don´t-remember-what, he is just simply wanting to do those kinds of things himself.
One person and that's if she was with the cabin group. It could've been earlier days in Carver Camp. That said yes one person before S2, the others were killed within days, not weeks, unless the ride to Carver camp was much longer than a day
The cabin group were killed within days of each other though
Nope. First, they lost Nick´s mom, before season 2 even started and then they lost Pete. The rest of the cabin group dies in nearly two weeks.
One person and that's if she was with the cabin group. It could've been earlier days in Carver Camp. That said yes one person before S2, the others were killed within days, not weeks, unless the ride to Carver camp was much longer than a day
That was made to be tense though, you were supposed to question why Kenny was acting like that
Sarita said that when she meet Kenny he couldn´t even lift I-don´t-remember-what, so he is just simply wanting to do those kinds of things himself. There is nothing to question.
I didn't discount her, I mean as the core Cabin group we know, only one was killed before Clem met them. Good job I forgot the Ep2 timeskip, hehe. That part was so abrupt I've been thinking of it as Pete was killed the day before Ep2 ;/
One person and that's if she was with the cabin group. It could've been earlier days in Carver Camp.
And? They were still friends/co… morempanions.
That said yes one person before S2, the others were killed within days, not weeks, unless the ride to Carver camp was much longer than a day
Is a least a week and half. There are several time skips in season two.
That was made to be tense though, you were supposed to question why Kenny was acting like that
Sarita said that when she meet Kenny … morehe couldn´t even lift I-don´t-remember-what, so he is just simply wanting to do those kinds of things himself. There is nothing to question.
I didn't discount her, I mean as the core Cabin group we know, only one was killed before Clem met them. Good job I forgot the Ep2 timeskip, hehe. That part was so abrupt I've been thinking of it as Pete was killed the day before Ep2 ;/
Look, all I saying is that Luke has time to cope with the deaths, and that Kenny didn´t because his son gets bitten and her wife kill herself in a couple of hours.
I didn't discount her, I mean as the core Cabin group we know, only one was killed before Clem met them. Good job I forgot the Ep2 timeskip, hehe. That part was so abrupt I've been thinking of it as Pete was killed the day before Ep2 ;/
i think we are talking about kenny,not clem
ben wasn't her friend,he left her with dozen of zombies in ep4.
clem vote ben to stay but … morehe wasn't her friend and at ep5 he was hesitant to find clem with lee.
mention one of the situations that you said about kenny
oh the person who left the group was kenny not jane!!!! i didn't realize that
I know, clearly Kenny was furious at the moment so charged at her. Still, she didn't have to do what she did. She didn't have to lie. She didn't have to pull out her weapon and even wound him. When she broke free of him (several times actually), she could have stop and tell the truth at any point or even run away when I told her to. But she kept assaulting him the moment she got the adventage. My point is she wasn't the victim here. She wanted to fight as much as Kenny did. She knew Kenny would assault her (hence why she was so confident to tell Clem to trust her and stay out of it) and I'm pretty sure she knew how it was going to end. Kenny was going to die (seemingly in self-defense in Clem's eyes) and she and Clem would walk away together, that was her plan. A horribly flawed and most unncessary plan.
Not if it's in defense though. She didn't say she wanted to gut him or move to hurt him, she stood defensively. If someone is scared that doesn't mean they'll hit you before you hit them
It's open to interpretation,
I supposed that because Telltale didn´t directly stated it, then it’s open to interpretation, but I thought it was obvious.
Of course. I disagree with it. It's more sad in hindsight, if Jane had waited they would've arrived in Wellington and possibly been able to deliver the kids if Clem picked stay in Wellington, no need to fight. This may seem stupid but the reason I shot Kenny is because he happened to be on top when the gun was on them. I figured whomever was on top would have the chance to calm and stop the fight instead of kill, and if they didn't, that's who I'd shoot. It could've been either one of them but I was so torn, my spur of the moment reaction was to shoot the aggressor in that moment Clem held the gun. I had to pause the game for a break to take it in before I killed either of them Jane's plan was unnecessary. Arguably well intentioned, but so unnecessary
I know, clearly Kenny was furious at the moment so charged at her. Still, she didn't have to do what she did. She didn't have to lie. She di… moredn't have to pull out her weapon and even wound him. When she broke free of him (several times actually), she could have stop and tell the truth at any point or even run away when I told her to. But she kept assaulting him the moment she got the adventage. My point is she wasn't the victim here. She wanted to fight as much as Kenny did. She knew Kenny would assault her (hence why she was so confident to tell Clem to trust her and stay out of it) and I'm pretty sure she knew how it was going to end. Kenny was going to die (seemingly in self-defense in Clem's eyes) and she and Clem would walk away together, that was her plan. A horribly flawed and most unncessary plan.
I didn't discount her, I mean as the core Cabin group we know, only one was killed before Clem met them. Good job I forgot the Ep2 timeskip… more, hehe. That part was so abrupt I've been thinking of it as Pete was killed the day before Ep2 ;/
Look, all I saying is that Luke has time to cope with the deaths, and that Kenny didn´t because his son gets bitten and her wife kill herself in a couple of hours.
yes we don't,but you would leave someone who killed your family.
i knew ben was raw to supply bandits and he was kid but he caused that a… moressault anyway.
in that situation,i didn't blame kenny for that and he was angry enough to want ben leave.
i played as lee so i could let ben stay with group and i considered clem's vote.
kenny considered clem and AJ as his family,jane didn't
Jane said that she wouldnt have to leave Clem behind (implying that Clem isnt weak in mind like Jamie or Sarah)
Jane was planning to save Sarah, but after she saw in what condition Sarah was, she gave up because it was similar to how her sister died. I must say that Jane made a bit fast conclusion, since she didnt even know Sarah that well, but it was a right call anyway, since Sarah couldnt have survived anyway in that kind of world.
Yes, I know. But that is why I think that scene looked a bit set up from the begining. I mean, despite the fact both sides were aggressors (some might disagree with this, but for me they were both intensely aggressive) Kenny looked like the one and Jane looked like the victim. I wish the scene was written a bit more objectively so all these arguements wouldn't be necessary. So we could decide by considering our emotional attachments to the characters instead decide by looking who is the victim/aggressor in that particular scene (Shoot or Look Away scene) For example, if they both held some kind of a weapon perhaps? Normally, I would instinctively try to rescue the victim, but like I said in my comments above, I couldn't shake the feeling that something was off with what Jane did. I felt betrayed to be honest, like she let me down. And she said say "whatever happens, stay out of it" I did as she asked. I replayed that scene thrice, to see if I'm content with my judgement, and I concluded that I was. So.. Anyway, that should not have happened, it wasn't necessary at all. And I cannot agree more with this:
if Jane had waited they would've arrived in Wellington and possibly been able to deliver the kids if Clem picked stay in Wellington, no need to fight.
I have a feeling that maybe Jane never wanted to go there, being a loner and all. Maybe she wanted to get rid of Kenny so that she could convince Clem not to go there. I don't know.
Of course. I disagree with it. It's more sad in hindsight, if Jane had waited they would've arrived in Wellington and possibly been able to … moredeliver the kids if Clem picked stay in Wellington, no need to fight. This may seem stupid but the reason I shot Kenny is because he happened to be on top when the gun was on them. I figured whomever was on top would have the chance to calm and stop the fight instead of kill, and if they didn't, that's who I'd shoot. It could've been either one of them but I was so torn, my spur of the moment reaction was to shoot the aggressor in that moment Clem held the gun. I had to pause the game for a break to take it in before I killed either of them Jane's plan was unnecessary. Arguably well intentioned, but so unnecessary
I have a feeling that maybe Jane never wanted to go there, being a loner and all. Maybe she wanted to get rid of Kenny so that she could convince Clem not to go there. I don't know.
She didnt want to search for Wellington, because people like Jane to risk their lives for such thing as stories. They didnt know if Wellington exists or where exactly it was, so it was rather stupid to decided go look for it.
Yes, I know. But that is why I think that scene looked a bit set up from the begining. I mean, despite the fact both sides were aggressors (… moresome might disagree with this, but for me they were both intensely aggressive) Kenny looked like the one and Jane looked like the victim. I wish the scene was written a bit more objectively so all these arguements wouldn't be necessary. So we could decide by considering our emotional attachments to the characters instead decide by looking who is the victim/aggressor in that particular scene (Shoot or Look Away scene) For example, if they both held some kind of a weapon perhaps? Normally, I would instinctively try to rescue the victim, but like I said in my comments above, I couldn't shake the feeling that something was off with what Jane did. I felt betrayed to be honest, like she let me down. And she said say "whatever happens, stay out of it" I did as she asked. I replayed that scene thrice, to see if I… [view original content]
Jane said that she wouldnt have to leave Clem behind (implying that Clem isnt weak in mind like Jamie or Sarah)
Jane was planning to save… more Sarah, but after she saw in what condition Sarah was, she gave up because it was similar to how her sister died. I must say that Jane made a bit fast conclusion, since she didnt even know Sarah that well, but it was a right call anyway, since Sarah couldnt have survived anyway in that kind of world.
Never said he doesnt care about Clementine, i said he doesnt care about what Clementine thinks . He ignores Clem many times and gets mad if you dont agree with him.
ok, you mean that she had no choice to save her.
do you remember what kenny did for ben???(consider that kenny hated ben)
now,would you say that kenny didnt give a shit about what Clem????
Everything is risky in the Apocalytic world, wherever they go, whatever they do, whoever they meet, there's always a risk. She just never wanted to be a part of a group she said that herself. I didn't know it existed either. Or if it was logical to go there (after seeing Howe's). But it was hope that made me wanna go there anyway, because in such a world as TWD, it is one of the most vital elements for survival, without hope there's nothing to live for other than just trying to survive another day. In any case, I understand why she didnt' want to go there, but still she didn't have to do what she did, she could have just said "Ok, sorry but you are on your own, I'm outta here!" and nobody would have to die. Just my opinion.
I have a feeling that maybe Jane never wanted to go there, being a loner and all. Maybe she wanted to get rid of Kenny so that she could con… morevince Clem not to go there. I don't know.
She didnt want to search for Wellington, because people like Jane to risk their lives for such thing as stories. They didnt know if Wellington exists or where exactly it was, so it was rather stupid to decided go look for it.
My wife and I were pro-Kenny from season 1. Although, even in season 1 you could tell he was something of a jerk. Still, his intentions were nearly always good and he was willing to act.
When we saw Kenny in Season 2 we both smiled and our first response as Clem was [HUG]. Throughout the season, we kept defending Kenny to the others. Kenny has been through a lot, and his intentions were (nearly) always for the good of his 'family' (i.e. Clem and then AJ).
Still, it dawned on us as the Season went on, that Kenny was getting more and more out of control. He kept losing his temper and instigating arguments. Even worse, his temper always forced the arguments to become physically violent. His consistent beating of Arvo is just one example. Honestly, although we hated Carver ... Kenny's killing of Carver (in our opinion) was over-done and unnecessary. We, as Clem, said 'shoot him (Carver)'. Carver needed to die, and deserved to die. Bam, a single bullet to the head. Beating Carver's head in was over-the-top and unnecessary. There was no reason to sink that low. I understand that Carver beat Kenny, and lost Kenny his eye. It was another tally for Carver's death ... but the mutilation and rage-induced pulping of Carver was yet another symptom of Kenny's excessive and increasingly uncontrollable rage.
We saw it get worse and worse as the season go on, with there even being times when we (as Clem) became unsure whether Kenny might turn that anger towards us if provoked. At one point, Kenny admits his rage was wrong, apologizes and says he won't do it again. Yet, he does.
As my wife pointed out, his behavior became VERY similar to that of physical abusers. Obviously, Kenny had yet to do violence against those he cares about (yet, in our minds, being the operable word), but he had no compunction about beating to death ANYONE else. That is just not right. We knew by the end that Kenny was extremely dangerous, and it seemed to us only a matter of time before Kenny would unintentionally beat up Clem. He'd be sorry afterwards, of course...
Now, we both liked Jane from the beginning. We understood her motives, and we agree that she had a story arc. She had learned and gotten used to being alone. She was afraid of reconnecting and caring for others, because people die, and she's tired of people that she cares about dying. Still, she begins to connect. You all do realize that Clem was 90% of the 'reason' she returned because Clem was the only one who got to know her, and that was willing to connect with her. She only really began connecting with the others at the transformer camp. Some of this was her, but some of it was due to the others (Kenny as much if not more than the others).
The fight in the car was both their fault. Kenny was no saint, and gave as many verbal (and physical) shots at Jane as she did at him. Yes, Kenny asks about their welfare after. Jane apologizes and is sorry.
Similarly, the 'ending'. Jane's plan was stupid, but we understand what she was trying to prove. Kenny is dangerous to those around him, and in Jane's mind, it is only a matter of time before Kenny gets Clem killed. Either 'intentionally' due to his rage (and actually physically hurting Clem), or unintentionally by not thinking about what he is doing (or his anger getting them in trouble). We totally believe that Jane did not think Kenny would kill her, nor do we believe that Jane was intending to kill Kenny. However, she knew there would be violence from Kenny (which was the point she was trying to prove to Clem). Obviously, however, things escalated from both of them until neither one could reasonably get out of the situation. I seriously do not believe that if Jane had managed to say 'the baby is alive' that Kenny would have even paused in his attack on her.
Kenny WAS a great guy. As mentioned by others, even Kenny knew that there was something wrong with him, as he essentially says when you shoot him. He had a death wish, and in our minds, was tired of living/surviving. However, he did still want to ensure that Clem and AJ were taken care of (and didn't trust ANYONE else to do that).
As I started out, I will reiterate. We liked Kenny. We hated having to shoot him, but we had already come to the realization that Kenny was simply too dangerous for Clem to be around him for much longer. To us, it was inevitable that Kenny would 'accidentally' smack Clementine around if she ever did something to make him angry. He would be sorry, and promise not to do it again ... does that make it right, and can we trust that it won't happen again? The answers are NO and NO.
Honestly, we're happy with our ending. Jane and Clem and AJ in Howe, and having invited the other family in. We would have liked to have found Crista, although both she and Omid were morons. I mean, really. You're at a rest stop and you leave Clem alone to have some nookie in the other bathroom? Without, as a group, checking for walkers in each first? No one is left on guard outside the bathrooms, in case walkers or (gasp) other survivors show up and surprise you?
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Tense scene in which he shouts at Sarita in Ep2
The cabin group were killed within days of each other though
Not if it's in defense though. She didn't say she wanted to gut him or move to hurt him, she stood defensively. If someone is scared that doesn't mean they'll hit you before you hit them
Are you trying to start more arguments? Badmouthing people's Ep5 finale isn't helping
Nope. First, they lost Nick´s mom, before season 2 even started and then they lost Pete. The rest of the cabin group dies in nearly two weeks.
Except the scene is not tense, and by what Sarita said, that when she meet Kenny he couldn´t even lift I-don´t-remember-what, he is just simply wanting to do those kinds of things himself.
That was made to be tense though, you were supposed to question why Kenny was acting like that
One person and that's if she was with the cabin group. It could've been earlier days in Carver Camp. That said yes one person before S2, the others were killed within days, not weeks, unless the ride to Carver camp was much longer than a day
And? They were still friends/companions.
Is a least a week and half. There are several time skips in season two.
Sarita said that when she meet Kenny he couldn´t even lift I-don´t-remember-what, so he is just simply wanting to do those kinds of things himself. There is nothing to question.
You are obviously just a troll, or delusional Kenny fan, so dont talk to me.
Yeah, he has a different opinion then you. Definitely a troll.
People like you give Jane fans a bad name, and I am a diehard Kenny fan.
The fact that he/she is a Kenny fan, has nothing to do with him being delusional.
Can you explain how he's delusional?
I didn't discount her, I mean as the core Cabin group we know, only one was killed before Clem met them. Good job
I forgot the Ep2 timeskip, hehe. That part was so abrupt I've been thinking of it as Pete was killed the day before Ep2 ;/
It's open to interpretation, but nice interpretation actually, he would act like that because of the backstory behind them
You could read some of his comments.
Look, all I saying is that Luke has time to cope with the deaths, and that Kenny didn´t because his son gets bitten and her wife kill herself in a couple of hours.
I supposed that because Telltale didn´t directly stated it, then it’s open to interpretation, but I thought it was obvious.
i think we are talking about kenny,not clem
ben wasn't her friend,he left her with dozen of zombies in ep4.
clem vote ben to stay but he wasn't her friend and at ep5 he was hesitant to find clem with lee.
mention one of the situations that you said about kenny
oh the person who left the group was kenny not jane!!!! i didn't realize that
Kenny wanted to leave Ben behind and Clementine said "Ben's nice. Ben is my friend. We dont leave friends behind"
I see so many people arguing about this and you know what?
That means Telltale did a good fucking job.
Hat's off Telltale.
I know, clearly Kenny was furious at the moment so charged at her. Still, she didn't have to do what she did. She didn't have to lie. She didn't have to pull out her weapon and even wound him. When she broke free of him (several times actually), she could have stop and tell the truth at any point or even run away when I told her to. But she kept assaulting him the moment she got the adventage. My point is she wasn't the victim here. She wanted to fight as much as Kenny did. She knew Kenny would assault her (hence why she was so confident to tell Clem to trust her and stay out of it) and I'm pretty sure she knew how it was going to end. Kenny was going to die (seemingly in self-defense in Clem's eyes) and she and Clem would walk away together, that was her plan. A horribly flawed and most unncessary plan.
There isn't anything wrong with that though, I like your POV on it. It's just it was discussed on here lots as Kenny having changed
Of course. I disagree with it. It's more sad in hindsight, if Jane had waited they would've arrived in Wellington and possibly been able to deliver the kids if Clem picked stay in Wellington, no need to fight. This may seem stupid but the reason I shot Kenny is because he happened to be on top when the gun was on them. I figured whomever was on top would have the chance to calm and stop the fight instead of kill, and if they didn't, that's who I'd shoot. It could've been either one of them but I was so torn, my spur of the moment reaction was to shoot the aggressor in that moment Clem held the gun. I had to pause the game for a break to take it in before I killed either of them
Jane's plan was unnecessary. Arguably well intentioned, but so unnecessary
I'm confused, I agreed with you
Really? Sorry, It didn´t seem like that to me.
yes we don't,but you would leave someone who killed your family.
i knew ben was raw to supply bandits and he was kid but he caused that assault anyway.
in that situation,i didn't blame kenny for that and he was angry enough to want ben leave.
i played as lee so i could let ben stay with group and i considered clem's vote.
kenny considered clem and AJ as his family,jane didn't
Jane considered Clementine as her little sister. Isnt sister part of your family?
he was her family
she left her little sister with zombies,so i prefer not to consider it.
Her little sister was suicidal for months. Nothing she could have done to keep her alive.
it could happen for clem,would she save clem in that situation???
she even didn't try to save sarah
Jane said that she wouldnt have to leave Clem behind (implying that Clem isnt weak in mind like Jamie or Sarah)
Jane was planning to save Sarah, but after she saw in what condition Sarah was, she gave up because it was similar to how her sister died. I must say that Jane made a bit fast conclusion, since she didnt even know Sarah that well, but it was a right call anyway, since Sarah couldnt have survived anyway in that kind of world.
Yes, I know. But that is why I think that scene looked a bit set up from the begining. I mean, despite the fact both sides were aggressors (some might disagree with this, but for me they were both intensely aggressive) Kenny looked like the one and Jane looked like the victim. I wish the scene was written a bit more objectively so all these arguements wouldn't be necessary. So we could decide by considering our emotional attachments to the characters instead decide by looking who is the victim/aggressor in that particular scene (Shoot or Look Away scene) For example, if they both held some kind of a weapon perhaps? Normally, I would instinctively try to rescue the victim, but like I said in my comments above, I couldn't shake the feeling that something was off with what Jane did. I felt betrayed to be honest, like she let me down. And she said say "whatever happens, stay out of it" I did as she asked. I replayed that scene thrice, to see if I'm content with my judgement, and I concluded that I was. So.. Anyway, that should not have happened, it wasn't necessary at all. And I cannot agree more with this:
I have a feeling that maybe Jane never wanted to go there, being a loner and all. Maybe she wanted to get rid of Kenny so that she could convince Clem not to go there. I don't know.
She didnt want to search for Wellington, because people like Jane to risk their lives for such thing as stories. They didnt know if Wellington exists or where exactly it was, so it was rather stupid to decided go look for it.
ok, you mean that she had no choice to save her.
do you remember what kenny did for ben???(consider that kenny hated ben)
now,would you say that kenny didnt give a shit about what Clem????
Never said he doesnt care about Clementine, i said he doesnt care about what Clementine thinks . He ignores Clem many times and gets mad if you dont agree with him.
Everything is risky in the Apocalytic world, wherever they go, whatever they do, whoever they meet, there's always a risk. She just never wanted to be a part of a group she said that herself. I didn't know it existed either. Or if it was logical to go there (after seeing Howe's). But it was hope that made me wanna go there anyway, because in such a world as TWD, it is one of the most vital elements for survival, without hope there's nothing to live for other than just trying to survive another day. In any case, I understand why she didnt' want to go there, but still she didn't have to do what she did, she could have just said "Ok, sorry but you are on your own, I'm outta here!" and nobody would have to die. Just my opinion.
My wife and I were pro-Kenny from season 1. Although, even in season 1 you could tell he was something of a jerk. Still, his intentions were nearly always good and he was willing to act.
When we saw Kenny in Season 2 we both smiled and our first response as Clem was [HUG]. Throughout the season, we kept defending Kenny to the others. Kenny has been through a lot, and his intentions were (nearly) always for the good of his 'family' (i.e. Clem and then AJ).
Still, it dawned on us as the Season went on, that Kenny was getting more and more out of control. He kept losing his temper and instigating arguments. Even worse, his temper always forced the arguments to become physically violent. His consistent beating of Arvo is just one example. Honestly, although we hated Carver ... Kenny's killing of Carver (in our opinion) was over-done and unnecessary. We, as Clem, said 'shoot him (Carver)'. Carver needed to die, and deserved to die. Bam, a single bullet to the head. Beating Carver's head in was over-the-top and unnecessary. There was no reason to sink that low. I understand that Carver beat Kenny, and lost Kenny his eye. It was another tally for Carver's death ... but the mutilation and rage-induced pulping of Carver was yet another symptom of Kenny's excessive and increasingly uncontrollable rage.
We saw it get worse and worse as the season go on, with there even being times when we (as Clem) became unsure whether Kenny might turn that anger towards us if provoked. At one point, Kenny admits his rage was wrong, apologizes and says he won't do it again. Yet, he does.
As my wife pointed out, his behavior became VERY similar to that of physical abusers. Obviously, Kenny had yet to do violence against those he cares about (yet, in our minds, being the operable word), but he had no compunction about beating to death ANYONE else. That is just not right. We knew by the end that Kenny was extremely dangerous, and it seemed to us only a matter of time before Kenny would unintentionally beat up Clem. He'd be sorry afterwards, of course...
Now, we both liked Jane from the beginning. We understood her motives, and we agree that she had a story arc. She had learned and gotten used to being alone. She was afraid of reconnecting and caring for others, because people die, and she's tired of people that she cares about dying. Still, she begins to connect. You all do realize that Clem was 90% of the 'reason' she returned because Clem was the only one who got to know her, and that was willing to connect with her. She only really began connecting with the others at the transformer camp. Some of this was her, but some of it was due to the others (Kenny as much if not more than the others).
The fight in the car was both their fault. Kenny was no saint, and gave as many verbal (and physical) shots at Jane as she did at him. Yes, Kenny asks about their welfare after. Jane apologizes and is sorry.
Similarly, the 'ending'. Jane's plan was stupid, but we understand what she was trying to prove. Kenny is dangerous to those around him, and in Jane's mind, it is only a matter of time before Kenny gets Clem killed. Either 'intentionally' due to his rage (and actually physically hurting Clem), or unintentionally by not thinking about what he is doing (or his anger getting them in trouble). We totally believe that Jane did not think Kenny would kill her, nor do we believe that Jane was intending to kill Kenny. However, she knew there would be violence from Kenny (which was the point she was trying to prove to Clem). Obviously, however, things escalated from both of them until neither one could reasonably get out of the situation. I seriously do not believe that if Jane had managed to say 'the baby is alive' that Kenny would have even paused in his attack on her.
Kenny WAS a great guy. As mentioned by others, even Kenny knew that there was something wrong with him, as he essentially says when you shoot him. He had a death wish, and in our minds, was tired of living/surviving. However, he did still want to ensure that Clem and AJ were taken care of (and didn't trust ANYONE else to do that).
As I started out, I will reiterate. We liked Kenny. We hated having to shoot him, but we had already come to the realization that Kenny was simply too dangerous for Clem to be around him for much longer. To us, it was inevitable that Kenny would 'accidentally' smack Clementine around if she ever did something to make him angry. He would be sorry, and promise not to do it again ... does that make it right, and can we trust that it won't happen again? The answers are NO and NO.
Honestly, we're happy with our ending. Jane and Clem and AJ in Howe, and having invited the other family in. We would have liked to have found Crista, although both she and Omid were morons. I mean, really. You're at a rest stop and you leave Clem alone to have some nookie in the other bathroom? Without, as a group, checking for walkers in each first? No one is left on guard outside the bathrooms, in case walkers or (gasp) other survivors show up and surprise you?