At what point was Lee needlessly violent? When he determinately spared Danny's life?
You must be referring to when he beat up Andy... You know right after Andy tried to shoot him, and then stick his face into an electrical fence.
He might have been a little bit overly violent, but he did stop before going all out, plus it was against a grown man and not either a tied-up teenage boy or a 20-something girl whose only supposed crime was being mean to Kenny (whilst Kenny was also mean to her) and then apparently accidentally losing a baby. I can see the similarities...
Back to Hershel's situation, he practically saw his son getting killed thanks to Kenny, it was not just proof, yet if he tried to beat Kenny everybody here would be bashing on him.
That's the reaction Jane was looking from Kenny (the same reaction Kenny got from Hershel, shouting, not hurting anybody and then telling him to leave), and that's when she would leave and then come back with AJ, but Kenny choose to try to murder Jane.
Back to Hershel's situation, he practically saw his son getting killed thanks to Kenny, it was not just proof, yet if he tried to beat Kenny… more everybody here would be bashing on him.
That's the reaction Jane was looking from Kenny (the same reaction Kenny got from Hershel, shouting, not hurting anybody and then telling him to leave), and that's when she would leave and then come back with AJ, but Kenny choose to try to murder Jane.
Dont bother to debate with him. He will just change the subject once he cant defend Kenny.
Ok, that's enough! You are crazy! You trolling me all the time! I said, let me alone, but you didn't!! ENOUGH WITH YOUR DISCUSS. STOP TROLLING ME!
I'm saying that in a situation like the ZA. It's similar... The situations are what matters. Not the people involved. And Kenny didn't go all out on Arvo. He "Got a bit violent" but since it was ok for Lee to do it. I'm guessing it's ok for Kenny too
What are you talking about?
At what point was Lee needlessly violent? When he determinately spared Danny's life?
You must be referring… more to when he beat up Andy... You know right after Andy tried to shoot him, and then stick his face into an electrical fence.
He might have been a little bit overly violent, but he did stop before going all out, plus it was against a grown man and not either a tied-up teenage boy or a 20-something girl whose only supposed crime was being mean to Kenny (whilst Kenny was also mean to her) and then apparently accidentally losing a baby. I can see the similarities...
So once again, what are you talking about?
Back to Hershel's situation, he practically saw his son getting killed thanks to Kenny, it was not just proof, yet if he tried to beat Kenny everybody here would be bashing on him. That's the reaction Jane was looking from Kenny (the same reaction Kenny got from Hershel, shouting, not hurting anybody and then telling him to leave), and that's when she would leave and then come back with AJ, but Kenny choose to try to murder Jane.
Back to your statement. What Lee said in Clementine's dream?
Kenny was sad, that can make people angry sometimes. People don't always make sense. 'Cause bad things happen to everyone. And it's hard to keep bein' yourself after they do. It's not like math. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer. Part of growing up is doing what's best for the people you care about... even if sometimes... that means hurting someone else.
Albertoars141:
I wonder why you prefered to reply to a "guy trolling you", and not reply to my comment in which i'm close to proove your whole life wrong.
zykelator:
Because if he loses debate, he will just switch the subject and leave.
That's not true. I had to log out, I will not always have time to post something. And zykelator, you don't need me all the time to pursue what I do. I see it, you trolling me all the time and then you sniff you still remember my opinions. This is not correct you. A little respect, yes? I don't spy on you. But you, you zykelator you spying on me and sniffing you also to my stuff. I warn you, you have no respect to utterances and opinions, because you are Jane lover. Just because I like Kenny, you don't have to fight with me.
"Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway"
You could have atleast come up with some kind of explanation other than "you don't pay attention." When has Kenny ever showed that he can handle frustration?
"Lol, nope."
Then that means you don't pay attention to his character.
"First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife."
He knew she was as good as dead. All Clem did was chop off the arm of a dead woman.
"Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable."
No seriously how in the hell is that reasonable!? He cares for her but he could've cared less if she was found or not? You're reason is stupid. And why would Kenny think Lee has his back when he has let Lee down multiple times?
"Besides, his attitude quickly changes."
That is what worries me. His attitude does change rather quick which is why he would not be trustworthy in an apocalypse. The man is bipolar.
"Lol, nope. To Kenny, Arvo is like Carver, just another bad guy."
That made no sense. A crippled kid = a bad guy...........if he was a bad guy why didn't Kenny just let him go when after he lead them to the cabin? That buy was not a threat. I mean what could he have done other than attempt to stalk the group? And even if he stalked the group, which he would not have been able to, what damage could he do?
"So he deserves it."
Arvo deserved to get beat up because? No seriously I want to see a reasonable explanation. A pissed off crippled kid, who lost his sister deserves to get beat up because a crazy man felt disrespected? This is your reason.
"Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down."
This is the only response that has any kind of logic to it. That makes sense and I agree.
" he knew she was hostile to him."
That does not make sense. Kenny felt that she abandoned the child out of spite towards him. That makes no sense.
"she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child."
That right there should have told him something wasn't right. No seriously she was un injured and there's a blizzard going on which slows down the zombies. Why would she abandon the baby?
"Jane: I didn´t kill him, it was a accident Kenny."
What was an accident? How is that confirmation? People tend to explain how the accident happened. Especially when they know they're in deep s#!t because of it.
"I am sure the truth hurts, but don´t be like that."
The truth? There was no truth in your nonsense xD. Notice that there's no exclamation mark at the end of that. If you assume I said that out of aggravation you would be wrong.
You said: "read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want."
As if I didn't read your post before quoting you. That's why I said screw you. I read your post well enough and if you have a problem with me quoting what you said then screw you. xD.
Once again I'm sure he would go crazy trying to take care of a baby in a world full of zombies. Even in a group babies would still make livi… moreng complicated and frustrating. Which are two things Kenny ain't good at dealing with.
Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway.
You mean to tell me that Kenny beating up Arvo didn't send off at least one alarm?
Lol, nope.
I couldn't tell when he went off on her and refused to help Lee find her.
First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife. Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable. If Lee´s doesn´t back it up in a grey morality choice, he fells distrusfull of him and guilty. Besides, his actitude quickly changes.
"We are going to get that littel girl back, with or without you."
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Clementine is still being herself, and she's been through a lot more than Kenny at a way younger age.
Keeping getting risked continuosly for useless people (Kenny wasn't useless but his contributions were not worth risking everybody's life) is dumb.
Kenny was very explosive lately, he wasn't just "sad". How could he be sad when he was smashing Carver's skull? He didn't look sad when Jane arrived alone at the shop, he looked like an spoiled child that just dropped his ice cream, he didn't cry or anything, he just screamed at Jane and went straight to try to murder her.
He was dumb an impulsive, I personally hated him since the moment Hershel's son died thanks to him, caring about your family is OK as long as you don't risk other people in your group unnecesarily. He was screaming at the people that saved his family just for wanting to make sure Duck wasn't bitten, something any mentally healthy person would do before letting an stranger inside your shelter. That would have been lethal in some other groups.
Albertoars141:
Back to Hershel's situation, he practically saw his son getting killed thanks to Kenny, it was not just proof, yet if … morehe tried to beat Kenny everybody here would be bashing on him. That's the reaction Jane was looking from Kenny (the same reaction Kenny got from Hershel, shouting, not hurting anybody and then telling him to leave), and that's when she would leave and then come back with AJ, but Kenny choose to try to murder Jane.
Back to your statement. What Lee said in Clementine's dream?
Kenny was sad, that can make people angry sometimes. People don't always make sense. 'Cause bad things happen to everyone. And it's hard to keep bein' yourself after they do. It's not like math. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer. Part of growing up is doing what's best for the people you care about... even if sometimes... that means hurting someone else.
Albertoars141:
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Ok, you can't land Lee and the strangers (and family) on Kenny. That was purely by chance, and if were going by that logic then EVERY death in season 2 is Clementines fault. You say if Kenny hadnt taken the supplies from the car, then the stranger wouldnt have lost his family, and gone mad. Taking Clementine and causing Lee to get bitten, and his eventual death. All true, but they all chose to take the supplies. It wasnt just Kenny and Kat, so thats not just on him.
And by that logic, if Clem hadnt left her gun on the side in the bathroom, the black girl never would have taken it. Omid never would have been killed, thus Clem would still be with them. And Christa, Pete, Matthew, Walter, Sarita, Luke, NIck, Carlos, Sarah, Becca, Alvin and Jane/Kenny would still be alive. Hell, even Sam the dog!
Shawn...he admitted that he froze, he expressed guilt and remorse. Yes he could have tried to help. No guarentee it would have done any good. He looked pretty done for to me. But it wasnt done on purpose. It was an accident. Could have happened to any of the main characters. Hell, depending on how you play Lee, you can do the same!
Larry...he was dead. I am qualified in first aid, and CPR CANNOT bring someone back from a heart attack like that. The only thing that can restart the heart after a catastrophic event is a defribulator. WHich they dont have. The teacher reanimated withing minutes of death. From a medical standpoint. Kenny did the only thing that meant they would get out of that room alive. Was it right? Depends on what you mean by right....is it right to smash in someones skull with a salt lick? No! Is it right to prevent a walker reanimating in a locked room and there are no weapons available to defend yourself? Absolutely!
Ben... He was within hi rights to hate that kid. Anyone would do the same if you had just found out he caused the death of your entire family. But he didnt harm him. He couldve killed him at any moment, but he didnt. He wanted to. But he didnt. I played through a few times, and more often than not, I drop Ben. Not because Kenny wanted me to, but because I wanted to. He had caused the raid, and he left Clem in danger. I thought he meant it when he asked me to let him go, and I couldnt think of a good enough reason not to. If you dont drop him, Kenny "dies" trying to save him. So not a great point IMO.
Walter...yeah, a bad decision. Borne from not knowing his enemy, and a desire to keep his girl safe. He surrendered when he saw it was futile
Alvin...as above. If he doesnt die at the lodge, this is nothing to do with Kenny
I said my piece about Lee and the stranger
Rebecca...how?? Pretty sure she would have died if they had stayed, Luke tells us "She lost too much blood" regardless of if they had stayed put or walked, she would have bled out anyway
Jane...tough one. Personally I think Kenny would have stopped the fight if she had just said AJ was alive. God knows he would have left her behind. Maybe tied up so she would eventually starve or get eaten - but Kenny is at heart a good guy, with good reasons. He just lacks communication skills
But I know in my heart that he wouldnt kill her in cold blood if she had led him to AJ
* Shawn
* Larry
* Ben (determinant, indirect, out of mercy)
* Walter
* Alvin (determinant)
* Lee (indirect)
* The stranger
* The Strangers wife
* The Strangers daughter
* Rebecca (indirect)
* Jane (determinant)
If they actually let Rebecca recover from giving a birth, she may have survived. If you decide to stay, she will be alive few more days. If you leave when Kenny wants, she dies sooner. She was in no fit to travel.
What Jane did, she saw it necessary in order to keep Clementine safe. It was just matter of time before Kenny went into crazy mode and hurt Clementine. Kenny has already showed that he can ignore Clementines safety because of his anger issues.
Ok, you can't land Lee and the strangers (and family) on Kenny. That was purely by chance, and if were going by that logic then EVERY death … morein season 2 is Clementines fault. You say if Kenny hadnt taken the supplies from the car, then the stranger wouldnt have lost his family, and gone mad. Taking Clementine and causing Lee to get bitten, and his eventual death. All true, but they all chose to take the supplies. It wasnt just Kenny and Kat, so thats not just on him.
And by that logic, if Clem hadnt left her gun on the side in the bathroom, the black girl never would have taken it. Omid never would have been killed, thus Clem would still be with them. And Christa, Pete, Matthew, Walter, Sarita, Luke, NIck, Carlos, Sarah, Becca, Alvin and Jane/Kenny would still be alive. Hell, even Sam the dog!
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Except for the very clear and marked differences in the situation.
Lee would not beat up a tied up teenage kid. He might kill him quickly if he was somehow a threat - but he wouldn't just beat up on him, because some situation or other made him feel impotent/powerless.
If Arvo had gotten free and then nearly killed Kenny - then it would be different.
And I know you're probably going to say that this is what happened with Jane - and you'd be partially right, except it's what happened to Jane, by Kenny.
I'm saying that in a situation like the ZA. It's similar... The situations are what matters. Not the people involved. And Kenny didn't go al… morel out on Arvo. He "Got a bit violent" but since it was ok for Lee to do it. I'm guessing it's ok for Kenny too
Kenny was sad, that can make people angry sometimes. People don't always make sense. 'Cause bad things happen to everyone. And it's hard to keep bein' yourself after they do. It's not like math. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer. Part of growing up is doing what's best for the people you care about... even if sometimes... that means hurting someone else.
Back to Hershel's situation, he practically saw his son getting killed thanks to Kenny, it was not just proof, yet if he tried to beat Kenny… more everybody here would be bashing on him.
That's the reaction Jane was looking from Kenny (the same reaction Kenny got from Hershel, shouting, not hurting anybody and then telling him to leave), and that's when she would leave and then come back with AJ, but Kenny choose to try to murder Jane.
But we can't say what Lee would have done as fact. Because we don't know. Personally I think Lee would be more likely to beat on Arvo, because he felt powerless.
Because that's exactly what happened when he killed the senator.
He came home, was faced with a situation he wasn't prepared for. And all those emotions led to him killing a man. That doesn't just go away.
Except for the very clear and marked differences in the situation.
Lee would not beat up a tied up teenage kid. He might kill him quickly… more if he was somehow a threat - but he wouldn't just beat up on him, because some situation or other made him feel impotent/powerless.
If Arvo had gotten free and then nearly killed Kenny - then it would be different.
And I know you're probably going to say that this is what happened with Jane - and you'd be partially right, except it's what happened to Jane, by Kenny.
I've played where I stay. And she doesn't live any longer. She dies the same place, same way. Nothing was gained at all. The only way to save her was with medical supplies.
Kenny has never put Clem in harms way. Jane saves her on th Ice. Not only because Kenny is running after arvo. But because she is the closest to her. Remember what Luke said?
No don't. .. The ice is too thin...it'll break!
Jane is much much lighter...even if Arvo was never there. And Kenny was already on the shore (as he was) it would make no sense at all for him to go out to her. As for beating Arvo instead of caring for her. Jane had her. He couldn't do anything. What was he meant to do? Snatch he out of her arms and do it himself?
He saw she was safe. He was angry about losing someone else, and he took it out on Arvo. Was it the right thing to do? No. We're not saying it was. But he never put her in danger. Not once.
He took his anger out on another, but that's not the same thing.
And personally, if someone wants to knock my enemies around. Then carry on! Arvo wasn't innocent in this. What he did and said led to the gunfight.
Actions have ramifications. He wasn't a good guy, and we made them an enemy the second Jane threatened to kill him.
If they actually let Rebecca recover from giving a birth, she may have survived. If you decide to stay, she will be alive few more days. If … moreyou leave when Kenny wants, she dies sooner. She was in no fit to travel.
What Jane did, she saw it necessary in order to keep Clementine safe. It was just matter of time before Kenny went into crazy mode and hurt Clementine. Kenny has already showed that he can ignore Clementines safety because of his anger issues.
Firstly, yes,I shot Kenny. Then I almost left Jane, but I didn't. I wasn't particularly jazzed about either decision. I have no dog to speak of in the Kenny/Jane debate.
With that out of the way... THE STRANGER?!? On what possible grounds could you draw a direct comparison from Jane to The Stranger? I'm genuinely asking. That is so wildly ludicrous to me I worry I'm missing something.
Well I think Lee would've turned into a fighter jet and flown them all to the moon!
Of course all my previous statements about Lee were my opinion of it - based on the Lee I had played as. Of course I can't say for sure what a fictional character would do in a situation that he's never presented as being in.
Most likely he would do what the writers wrote him as doing.
All I was trying to do was look at what I think he would have done, based on previous games.
And based on that, I really just don't see Lee beating up a bound teenage kid. How you even compare that to coming home and finding your beloved wife banging some random guy, I don't even know.
Going back to St. John - when he has almost been killed by Andy and then subsequently started beating him up, that situation might - just might - be comparable to the situation with his wife and her lover. It was someone who had hurt him (albeit in widely different ways), and who had just - right now! - done so.
So yeah - Lee might be able of a Kenny-like outburst of emotion, sometimes resulting in violence, but he moves on rather quickly. He isn't stuck in his violent outburst ways. He might have hit Arvo right after the situation with the Russians ended, but he wouldn't keep beating on Arvo just to make himself feel good. If for nothing else, then he wouldn't do it, because he wouldn't want Clem to see him like that.
DISCLAIMER: All of the above is based on my opinion. I do not - obviously - know what Lee would have actually done, and it would have been dependent on our previous choices. I am not a God, so I do not know.
But we can't say what Lee would have done as fact. Because we don't know. Personally I think Lee would be more likely to beat on Arvo, beca… moreuse he felt powerless.
Because that's exactly what happened when he killed the senator.
He came home, was faced with a situation he wasn't prepared for. And all those emotions led to him killing a man. That doesn't just go away.
Thats not the point... You ASK for his help and he ignores you. He doest say anything, he looks at you and then decides to complain about the house and starts beating Arvo.
I've played where I stay. And she doesn't live any longer. She dies the same place, same way. Nothing was gained at all. The only way to sa… moreve her was with medical supplies.
Kenny has never put Clem in harms way. Jane saves her on th Ice. Not only because Kenny is running after arvo. But because she is the closest to her. Remember what Luke said?
No don't. .. The ice is too thin...it'll break!
Jane is much much lighter...even if Arvo was never there. And Kenny was already on the shore (as he was) it would make no sense at all for him to go out to her. As for beating Arvo instead of caring for her. Jane had her. He couldn't do anything. What was he meant to do? Snatch he out of her arms and do it himself?
He saw she was safe. He was angry about losing someone else, and he took it out on Arvo. Was it the right thing to do? No. We're not saying it was. But he never put her in danger. Not once.
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I've played where I stay. And she doesn't live any longer. She dies the same place, same way. Nothing was gained at all. The only way to sa… moreve her was with medical supplies.
Kenny has never put Clem in harms way. Jane saves her on th Ice. Not only because Kenny is running after arvo. But because she is the closest to her. Remember what Luke said?
No don't. .. The ice is too thin...it'll break!
Jane is much much lighter...even if Arvo was never there. And Kenny was already on the shore (as he was) it would make no sense at all for him to go out to her. As for beating Arvo instead of caring for her. Jane had her. He couldn't do anything. What was he meant to do? Snatch he out of her arms and do it himself?
He saw she was safe. He was angry about losing someone else, and he took it out on Arvo. Was it the right thing to do? No. We're not saying it was. But he never put her in danger. Not once.
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Well thats the difference between Kenny and Jane. Jane is survivor. Kenny is family first. Only person Kenny cared about were Clementine and… more AJ. Only person Jane cared about was Clementine.
Even Lee can lose his temper with with Kennys behaviour, and fan favourite Luke said that Kenny is broken and reckless.
Jane didn't leave them in cold blood. Cold blood suggests she doesn't care. She obviously cares about people and even humanity a lot. She's … moreafraid. She dragged her sister four states, each morning her sister refused to get up until Jane practically forced her. There was a point in time in which they had to jump across buildings. Jane, nearly crying tells you "What could I do? I couldn't... I couldn't throw her. I couldn't make her... I gave her what she wanted. I left." She left because she couldn't sit there and die too. The same was about to happen with Sarah.
You're thinking of the needs of one before the needs of all. In that situation Jane was being a realist and a good leader. As a leader sometimes we have to understand that we can't make people try. For instance, S1 Lee let that woman at the inn shoot herself. Did that make him a bad person? No, even though Glen didn't agree with him, and Lily was disgusted. In the end, Lee chose to… [view original content]
Well thats the problem with Kenny fans, you dont think rationally, you act on silly things called emotions. People like you would end up dea… mored in the walking dead universe. Jane on and my Clem on the other hand, are perfect survivors.
ps. i would leave a baby behind if i was in that situation.
nope(because the writers had it planned)
complications , the baby came too early and it didn't feel right she said
she would've bled out with or without the meds, she needed surgery
but it wouldn't bee zykelator if you didn't blame everything on kenny
grow up, because we've almost all finished the game and you just want to troll on the site
Alvin died because rebecca cheated or was raped and carver couldn't stand it that it could be alvin's baby
No, i blame the decision to Travel. The fact that if they start moving when Kenny wants just shows that Rebecca dies from traveling. If they leave later as Luke wanted, Rebecca dies later.
nope(because the writers had it planned)
complications , the baby came too early and it didn't feel right she said
she would've bled out… more with or without the meds, she needed surgery
but it wouldn't bee zykelator if you didn't blame everything on kenny
grow up, because we've almost all finished the game and you just want to troll on the site
Alvin died because rebecca cheated or was raped and carver couldn't stand it that it could be alvin's baby
Yes. I do condone what she did. In fact, when they were arguing in the car, I desperately wanted the option to end it then (as I believe it would have escalated to a fight right then and there instigated by Kenny had they not been interrupted). I kept waiting for the option to come up where I could put the gun to the back of Kenny's head.
Yes. I do condone what she did. In fact, when they were arguing in the car, I desperately wanted the option to end it then (as I believe it … morewould have escalated to a fight right then and there instigated by Kenny had they not been interrupted). I kept waiting for the option to come up where I could put the gun to the back of Kenny's head.
Never said he doesnt care about Clementine, i said he doesnt care about what Clementine thinks . He ignores Clem many times and gets mad if you dont agree with him.
it was ben who said to let him go because walkers were closing in and kenny saw that, but it wouldn't be you if you didn't blame kenny. It was Jane who killed ben..... using your logics
Jane kills anyone she has problems with we saw that and not even trying to help sarah but clemgot through was enoghin my eyes. she's a self absorbed psycho that takes what she wants and lets people die when she is stressed (sarah in cabin anyone?)
If the group wasnt there to stop him and Lee didnt murder Ben as Kenny wanted, Ben gets a chance to prove himself and as Kenny calms down fr… moreom his bloodlust, and thinks more clearly. And this is the main problem with Kenny, he acts on rage and doesnt think clearly and if there isnt someone to stop him from doing something stupid, he will do it.
so she just suffers more and dies later and they still have to travel. Good move... not.
You blame but saying someone is right is no word in your vocabulary
Then it was alvin or carver or her genes combined with stress that killed her because of the complications
No, i blame the decision to Travel. The fact that if they start moving when Kenny wants just shows that Rebecca dies from traveling. If they leave later as Luke wanted, Rebecca dies later.
so she just suffers more and dies later and they still have to travel. Good move... not.
You blame but saying someone is right is no word … morein your vocabulary
Then it was alvin or carver or her genes combined with stress that killed her because of the complications
it was ben who said to let him go because walkers were closing in and kenny saw that, but it wouldn't be you if you didn't blame kenny. It w… moreas Jane who killed ben..... using your logics
Jane kills anyone she has problems with we saw that and not even trying to help sarah but clemgot through was enoghin my eyes. she's a self absorbed psycho that takes what she wants and lets people die when she is stressed (sarah in cabin anyone?)
Yes. I do condone what she did. In fact, when they were arguing in the car, I desperately wanted the option to end it then (as I believe it … morewould have escalated to a fight right then and there instigated by Kenny had they not been interrupted). I kept waiting for the option to come up where I could put the gun to the back of Kenny's head.
Because she already was caughing and it was freezing ?
and how do you know that she wouldn't die? Because it was not long after aj was born that she died and that was because of complications dying anyway
and you're a troll driuving people away with your BS reasons why you're always right
yeah maybe but jane was going for blood that was for sure provocing him in the car about everything and everyone he cared about... and then she lied about AJ being dead and leaving him in the car she pulled clem right in and kenny didn't want her to be around for that
and jane fans come with but kenny said she was nothing
and apparently then its all oke because kenny said something that kids say in school and jane says something that no adult ever want to hear.... think about that
yeah maybe but jane was going for blood that was for sure provocing him in the car about everything and everyone he cared about... and then … moreshe lied about AJ being dead and leaving him in the car she pulled clem right in and kenny didn't want her to be around for that
and jane fans come with but kenny said she was nothing
and apparently then its all oke because kenny said something that kids say in school and jane says something that no adult ever want to hear.... think about that
Comments
What are you talking about?
At what point was Lee needlessly violent? When he determinately spared Danny's life?
You must be referring to when he beat up Andy... You know right after Andy tried to shoot him, and then stick his face into an electrical fence.
He might have been a little bit overly violent, but he did stop before going all out, plus it was against a grown man and not either a tied-up teenage boy or a 20-something girl whose only supposed crime was being mean to Kenny (whilst Kenny was also mean to her) and then apparently accidentally losing a baby. I can see the similarities...
So once again, what are you talking about?
When did the murder take place? Are we talking about the dick-shot?
Back to Hershel's situation, he practically saw his son getting killed thanks to Kenny, it was not just proof, yet if he tried to beat Kenny everybody here would be bashing on him.
That's the reaction Jane was looking from Kenny (the same reaction Kenny got from Hershel, shouting, not hurting anybody and then telling him to leave), and that's when she would leave and then come back with AJ, but Kenny choose to try to murder Jane.
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Ok, that's enough! You are crazy! You trolling me all the time! I said, let me alone, but you didn't!! ENOUGH WITH YOUR DISCUSS. STOP TROLLING ME!
I wonder why you prefered to reply to a "guy trolling you", and not reply to my comment in which i'm close to proove your whole life wrong.
Because if he loses debate, he will just switch the subject and leave.
I'm saying that in a situation like the ZA. It's similar... The situations are what matters. Not the people involved. And Kenny didn't go all out on Arvo. He "Got a bit violent" but since it was ok for Lee to do it. I'm guessing it's ok for Kenny too
Back to your statement. What Lee said in Clementine's dream?
Kenny was sad, that can make people angry sometimes. People don't always make sense. 'Cause bad things happen to everyone. And it's hard to keep bein' yourself after they do. It's not like math. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer. Part of growing up is doing what's best for the people you care about... even if sometimes... that means hurting someone else.
That's not true. I had to log out, I will not always have time to post something. And zykelator, you don't need me all the time to pursue what I do. I see it, you trolling me all the time and then you sniff you still remember my opinions. This is not correct you. A little respect, yes? I don't spy on you. But you, you zykelator you spying on me and sniffing you also to my stuff. I warn you, you have no respect to utterances and opinions, because you are Jane lover. Just because I like Kenny, you don't have to fight with me.
Forever Kenny and Clementine.
"Once again, I am pretty sure you don´t pay attention to his character, but whatever. I am beggining to think you are just a troll anyway"
You could have atleast come up with some kind of explanation other than "you don't pay attention." When has Kenny ever showed that he can handle frustration?
"Lol, nope."
Then that means you don't pay attention to his character.
"First of all, Clem had just caused the death of his wife."
He knew she was as good as dead. All Clem did was chop off the arm of a dead woman.
"Second, refusing to help Lee find her is not only determinant but reasonable."
No seriously how in the hell is that reasonable!? He cares for her but he could've cared less if she was found or not? You're reason is stupid. And why would Kenny think Lee has his back when he has let Lee down multiple times?
"Besides, his attitude quickly changes."
That is what worries me. His attitude does change rather quick which is why he would not be trustworthy in an apocalypse. The man is bipolar.
"Lol, nope. To Kenny, Arvo is like Carver, just another bad guy."
That made no sense. A crippled kid = a bad guy...........if he was a bad guy why didn't Kenny just let him go when after he lead them to the cabin? That buy was not a threat. I mean what could he have done other than attempt to stalk the group? And even if he stalked the group, which he would not have been able to, what damage could he do?
"So he deserves it."
Arvo deserved to get beat up because? No seriously I want to see a reasonable explanation. A pissed off crippled kid, who lost his sister deserves to get beat up because a crazy man felt disrespected? This is your reason.
"Kenny knew Jane had that mentally, that others only drag you down."
This is the only response that has any kind of logic to it. That makes sense and I agree.
" he knew she was hostile to him."
That does not make sense. Kenny felt that she abandoned the child out of spite towards him. That makes no sense.
"she was not hurt in any way despite losing the child."
That right there should have told him something wasn't right. No seriously she was un injured and there's a blizzard going on which slows down the zombies. Why would she abandon the baby?
"Jane: I didn´t kill him, it was a accident Kenny."
What was an accident? How is that confirmation? People tend to explain how the accident happened. Especially when they know they're in deep s#!t because of it.
"I am sure the truth hurts, but don´t be like that."
The truth? There was no truth in your nonsense xD. Notice that there's no exclamation mark at the end of that. If you assume I said that out of aggravation you would be wrong.
You said: "read my post properly instead of qouting whatever you want."
As if I didn't read your post before quoting you. That's why I said screw you. I read your post well enough and if you have a problem with me quoting what you said then screw you. xD.
Clementine is still being herself, and she's been through a lot more than Kenny at a way younger age.
Keeping getting risked continuosly for useless people (Kenny wasn't useless but his contributions were not worth risking everybody's life) is dumb.
Kenny was very explosive lately, he wasn't just "sad". How could he be sad when he was smashing Carver's skull? He didn't look sad when Jane arrived alone at the shop, he looked like an spoiled child that just dropped his ice cream, he didn't cry or anything, he just screamed at Jane and went straight to try to murder her.
He was dumb an impulsive, I personally hated him since the moment Hershel's son died thanks to him, caring about your family is OK as long as you don't risk other people in your group unnecesarily. He was screaming at the people that saved his family just for wanting to make sure Duck wasn't bitten, something any mentally healthy person would do before letting an stranger inside your shelter. That would have been lethal in some other groups.
Ok, you can't land Lee and the strangers (and family) on Kenny. That was purely by chance, and if were going by that logic then EVERY death in season 2 is Clementines fault. You say if Kenny hadnt taken the supplies from the car, then the stranger wouldnt have lost his family, and gone mad. Taking Clementine and causing Lee to get bitten, and his eventual death. All true, but they all chose to take the supplies. It wasnt just Kenny and Kat, so thats not just on him.
And by that logic, if Clem hadnt left her gun on the side in the bathroom, the black girl never would have taken it. Omid never would have been killed, thus Clem would still be with them. And Christa, Pete, Matthew, Walter, Sarita, Luke, NIck, Carlos, Sarah, Becca, Alvin and Jane/Kenny would still be alive. Hell, even Sam the dog!
Shawn...he admitted that he froze, he expressed guilt and remorse. Yes he could have tried to help. No guarentee it would have done any good. He looked pretty done for to me. But it wasnt done on purpose. It was an accident. Could have happened to any of the main characters. Hell, depending on how you play Lee, you can do the same!
Larry...he was dead. I am qualified in first aid, and CPR CANNOT bring someone back from a heart attack like that. The only thing that can restart the heart after a catastrophic event is a defribulator. WHich they dont have. The teacher reanimated withing minutes of death. From a medical standpoint. Kenny did the only thing that meant they would get out of that room alive. Was it right? Depends on what you mean by right....is it right to smash in someones skull with a salt lick? No! Is it right to prevent a walker reanimating in a locked room and there are no weapons available to defend yourself? Absolutely!
Ben... He was within hi rights to hate that kid. Anyone would do the same if you had just found out he caused the death of your entire family. But he didnt harm him. He couldve killed him at any moment, but he didnt. He wanted to. But he didnt. I played through a few times, and more often than not, I drop Ben. Not because Kenny wanted me to, but because I wanted to. He had caused the raid, and he left Clem in danger. I thought he meant it when he asked me to let him go, and I couldnt think of a good enough reason not to. If you dont drop him, Kenny "dies" trying to save him. So not a great point IMO.
Walter...yeah, a bad decision. Borne from not knowing his enemy, and a desire to keep his girl safe. He surrendered when he saw it was futile
Alvin...as above. If he doesnt die at the lodge, this is nothing to do with Kenny
I said my piece about Lee and the stranger
Rebecca...how?? Pretty sure she would have died if they had stayed, Luke tells us "She lost too much blood" regardless of if they had stayed put or walked, she would have bled out anyway
Jane...tough one. Personally I think Kenny would have stopped the fight if she had just said AJ was alive. God knows he would have left her behind. Maybe tied up so she would eventually starve or get eaten - but Kenny is at heart a good guy, with good reasons. He just lacks communication skills
But I know in my heart that he wouldnt kill her in cold blood if she had led him to AJ
If they actually let Rebecca recover from giving a birth, she may have survived. If you decide to stay, she will be alive few more days. If you leave when Kenny wants, she dies sooner. She was in no fit to travel.
What Jane did, she saw it necessary in order to keep Clementine safe. It was just matter of time before Kenny went into crazy mode and hurt Clementine. Kenny has already showed that he can ignore Clementines safety because of his anger issues.
Except for the very clear and marked differences in the situation.
Lee would not beat up a tied up teenage kid. He might kill him quickly if he was somehow a threat - but he wouldn't just beat up on him, because some situation or other made him feel impotent/powerless.
If Arvo had gotten free and then nearly killed Kenny - then it would be different.
And I know you're probably going to say that this is what happened with Jane - and you'd be partially right, except it's what happened to Jane, by Kenny.
What Lee said in Clementine's dream?
Kenny was sad, that can make people angry sometimes. People don't always make sense. 'Cause bad things happen to everyone. And it's hard to keep bein' yourself after they do. It's not like math. Sometimes there just isn't a right answer. Part of growing up is doing what's best for the people you care about... even if sometimes... that means hurting someone else.
But we can't say what Lee would have done as fact. Because we don't know. Personally I think Lee would be more likely to beat on Arvo, because he felt powerless.
Because that's exactly what happened when he killed the senator.
He came home, was faced with a situation he wasn't prepared for. And all those emotions led to him killing a man. That doesn't just go away.
I've played where I stay. And she doesn't live any longer. She dies the same place, same way. Nothing was gained at all. The only way to save her was with medical supplies.
Kenny has never put Clem in harms way. Jane saves her on th Ice. Not only because Kenny is running after arvo. But because she is the closest to her. Remember what Luke said?
No don't. .. The ice is too thin...it'll break!
Jane is much much lighter...even if Arvo was never there. And Kenny was already on the shore (as he was) it would make no sense at all for him to go out to her. As for beating Arvo instead of caring for her. Jane had her. He couldn't do anything. What was he meant to do? Snatch he out of her arms and do it himself?
He saw she was safe. He was angry about losing someone else, and he took it out on Arvo. Was it the right thing to do? No. We're not saying it was. But he never put her in danger. Not once.
He took his anger out on another, but that's not the same thing.
And personally, if someone wants to knock my enemies around. Then carry on! Arvo wasn't innocent in this. What he did and said led to the gunfight.
Actions have ramifications. He wasn't a good guy, and we made them an enemy the second Jane threatened to kill him.
Firstly, yes,I shot Kenny. Then I almost left Jane, but I didn't. I wasn't particularly jazzed about either decision. I have no dog to speak of in the Kenny/Jane debate.
With that out of the way... THE STRANGER?!? On what possible grounds could you draw a direct comparison from Jane to The Stranger? I'm genuinely asking. That is so wildly ludicrous to me I worry I'm missing something.
Well I think Lee would've turned into a fighter jet and flown them all to the moon!
Of course all my previous statements about Lee were my opinion of it - based on the Lee I had played as. Of course I can't say for sure what a fictional character would do in a situation that he's never presented as being in.
Most likely he would do what the writers wrote him as doing.
All I was trying to do was look at what I think he would have done, based on previous games.
And based on that, I really just don't see Lee beating up a bound teenage kid. How you even compare that to coming home and finding your beloved wife banging some random guy, I don't even know.
Going back to St. John - when he has almost been killed by Andy and then subsequently started beating him up, that situation might - just might - be comparable to the situation with his wife and her lover. It was someone who had hurt him (albeit in widely different ways), and who had just - right now! - done so.
So yeah - Lee might be able of a Kenny-like outburst of emotion, sometimes resulting in violence, but he moves on rather quickly. He isn't stuck in his violent outburst ways. He might have hit Arvo right after the situation with the Russians ended, but he wouldn't keep beating on Arvo just to make himself feel good. If for nothing else, then he wouldn't do it, because he wouldn't want Clem to see him like that.
DISCLAIMER: All of the above is based on my opinion. I do not - obviously - know what Lee would have actually done, and it would have been dependent on our previous choices. I am not a God, so I do not know.
Thats not the point... You ASK for his help and he ignores you. He doest say anything, he looks at you and then decides to complain about the house and starts beating Arvo.
And the reason Rebecca dies is because they start travelling.
yeah yeah build a shrine
shrine
hahaha everyone is BFF's with Jane who we don't know shit about just her her own stories
yeah yeah
you again
marry jane or something, but don't be surprised if you won't wake up anymore when you get in her way
Stop reviving these threads..
nope(because the writers had it planned)
complications , the baby came too early and it didn't feel right she said
she would've bled out with or without the meds, she needed surgery
but it wouldn't bee zykelator if you didn't blame everything on kenny
grow up, because we've almost all finished the game and you just want to troll on the site
Alvin died because rebecca cheated or was raped and carver couldn't stand it that it could be alvin's baby
No, i blame the decision to Travel. The fact that if they start moving when Kenny wants just shows that Rebecca dies from traveling. If they leave later as Luke wanted, Rebecca dies later.
Yes. I do condone what she did. In fact, when they were arguing in the car, I desperately wanted the option to end it then (as I believe it would have escalated to a fight right then and there instigated by Kenny had they not been interrupted). I kept waiting for the option to come up where I could put the gun to the back of Kenny's head.
you know that when someone says something good about kenny that you just don't get into it?
you're no gamer just a troll who uses wiki
it was ben who said to let him go because walkers were closing in and kenny saw that, but it wouldn't be you if you didn't blame kenny. It was Jane who killed ben..... using your logics
Jane kills anyone she has problems with we saw that and not even trying to help sarah but clemgot through was enoghin my eyes. she's a self absorbed psycho that takes what she wants and lets people die when she is stressed (sarah in cabin anyone?)
so she just suffers more and dies later and they still have to travel. Good move... not.
You blame but saying someone is right is no word in your vocabulary
Then it was alvin or carver or her genes combined with stress that killed her because of the complications
How can you know what would have happened if they actually let Rebecca recover?
I prefer leaving people behind, not to kill them like Kenny.
Maybe that would have been better, then Clem wouldn't have had to be involved in either death.
Because she already was caughing and it was freezing ?
and how do you know that she wouldn't die? Because it was not long after aj was born that she died and that was because of complications dying anyway
and you're a troll driuving people away with your BS reasons why you're always right
yeah maybe but jane was going for blood that was for sure provocing him in the car about everything and everyone he cared about... and then she lied about AJ being dead and leaving him in the car she pulled clem right in and kenny didn't want her to be around for that
and jane fans come with but kenny said she was nothing
and apparently then its all oke because kenny said something that kids say in school and jane says something that no adult ever want to hear.... think about that
So Jane throws around insults = Nobody wants to hear that. It's too rough. It's about the family. What a bitch!
Kenny throws around insults = Come on Jane, grow some thicker skin. She can't take a little truth? What a bitch!