He knows her past, he said he knows her type, he saw that leaving a baby to die is in her personality and was convinced she killed his baby for her selfish "survival of the fittest" bullshit.
She said the baby is dead weight I do believe, and you don't expect Kenny to know that and lash out on her? He's smarter than you think.
She did murder the baby, she knew that leaving him would result in him dead, therefore, she murdered him, maybe it isn't the right word, but it has the same meaning and outcome.
And Kenny is bullshit detector 2000? She was very convincing with her acting (imo) and at that point, Kenny had no reason to think otherwise.
After going outside, he made up this lie that Jane actually murdered AJ.
You're saying it like it's something that was had to be done, what a bunch of bull.
she had to make Clementine realize that Kenny is too dangerous to be around.
Kenny may be dangerous, but at least he has his priorities straight. Besides, she did it in the most sick, manipulative and hurtful way anyone could ever do to a man, there are other ways to so that.
For Kenny, it's them, then him, for Jane, it's always herself first.
I do think everything through, I broke my head over what Kenny did.
Clementine wasnt ready to leave Kenny behind so she had to make Clementine realize that Kenny is too dangerous to be around.
Do you even think these things through?
She got them out of Carver´s lair just because Telltale didn´t give us a dialogue choice to tell the group how we got out the Marshal´s Hous… moree while the group was arguing about the risk of the plan.
That's the point, they wanted to show that Jane is a hardcore survivalist who knows how to survive. Sure Clem knew it but what if she didn't? What if Clem wasn't there to tell them?
You praise Jane for doing that for Troy while Kenny being brutal with Carver just mean´s he is insane.
I praise her for being smart and using his death for a meaningful way to benefit the group. I don't see how Kenny beating on Carver's corpse helped the group but infact it only helped himself AKA selfish. He wasted the groups precious time which could've been used to escape faster aka preventing Carlos's death, Nick's death, Sarah's death and Rebecca's death.
You are right.
Don’t say she saved them so easily. If she had leaved the gro… [view original content]
I'm not 'making it seem like I'm not taking sides': I strongly disapprove of lots of Kenny's season 2 actions.
I just don't resort to per… moresonal insults,l nor do I EVER state there is one correct option.
Everyone is perfectly entitled to like one ending more than others. People shouldn't be told 'you got the wrong ending' - I don't do that to people.
Thanks for the personal insults though. Thanks for making me feel like actual shit.
I believe that there is no right ending, and become frustrated when people try to imply there is.
What's the point in trying to make people realise there is no absolute 'correct' ending if I'm just going to be labelled as pompous for it? Jesus I can't do anything right can I
Few days ago 'flog you're a fcuking faggot' then 'here's why people don't like you flog:' then 'you jane supporters should be hung or beaten' now I'm pompous and fuck it's just too much...
I'll be limiting my posts to the respect thread for a while I think...need to clear my head of this shit
Dayum, some of y'all need to take a chill pill and calm down. Can't even discuss without getting bashed on. No wonder I'm barely discussing about this game anymore. Calm your tits or else they're gonna fall off. -___-
Jane wanted to seperate from Kenny but she wanted Clementine to come with her, since Clem was like a little sister to her (without suicidal thoughts).
Jane saved Kenny. Jane saved Luke. Jane saved Clementine and she saved AJ... How exactly does this imply that she only cares about herself? She clearly shows that she cares about Clementines and her safety and she even saves her from the lake, while risking her own life. And when they got inside, Jane was the only one who still cared about saving Clementine, while Kenny was busy having his unjustified revenge on Arvo for not having supplies, which they found few seconds later.
Clementine wasnt ready to leave Kenny behind
You're saying it like it's something that was had to be done, what a bunch of bull.
… more she had to make Clementine realize that Kenny is too dangerous to be around.
Kenny may be dangerous, but at least he has his priorities straight. Besides, she did it in the most sick, manipulative and hurtful way anyone could ever do to a man, there are other ways to so that.
For Kenny, it's them, then him, for Jane, it's always herself first.
I do think everything through, I broke my head over what Kenny did.
It has nothing to do with the character, it´s how this dude tries so hard to defend him with stupid assumptions when Kenny fucked up. Everyone made mistakes, not just Kenny, but he tries way too hard to see his mistakes in a positive way, it is so ridiculous.
That was completely uncalled for. There is absolutely no need to personally insult someone just because they like a character that you don't. Get over yourself.
Your point is irrelevant. It doesnt matter that Kenny most likely had "safer" ending than with Jane because when you have to choose between them, it should be based on the facts you would know at that point.
That I should argue about this considering only the facts we know at that point is merely your opinion, and a rather poor attempt to hide you can´t refute the points that I made agaist the safety of Howe´s.
I dont care about the baby, but he was safe enough inside the car.
Like I already repeated too many times and you are ignoring again, the baby could frezee to death in the car so he wasn´t safe.
Even if you have clothes, you still need heat source and protection from cold/wind.
Kenny and Clem can just enter a abandoned house/building to take selther for the cold and the wind when they fell like resting or need to rest. Also, is not unreasonable that one of these houses could have a fire place. Going to look for Wellington is hardly a death sentence like you seem to believe and remains the best chance of survival in their situation.
Your point is irrelevant. It doesnt matter that Kenny most likely had "safer" ending than with Jane, because when you have to choose between… more them, it should be based on the facts you would know at that point.
I dont care about the baby, but he was safe enough inside the car.
Even if you have clothes, you still need heat source and protection from cold/wind.
It started stooping to insults like "retarded" and "asshole" (all against me) because I clearly had the better hand in the argument
I kinda see it as a victory, together, we proved them wrong in what we could, especially Eren (which does not deserve to have this name) who just started repeating his fictional arguments against Kenny since his 3rd or 4th post on here.
They still think what they think, but in truh, some opinions can be proved wrong with facts.
Example: Someone says Jane isn't selfish, you present things, actual facts from the game that show she is selfish, at least according to the English interpertation of the word, and then, no matter what they think, you still proved them wrong.
That's pretty fucking rude if you ask me, all I did was further my own point. And while I haven't read every reply on here, his definitely didn't have that much thought put into it, as I did the thinking part in my reply.
The only reason why people act negative towards me is because they are Kenny fans.
And people call us ignorant.
If "Kenny fans" were a race, I would have called you a racist, but you're worse than that, you judge people according to traits they choose out of their freedom to form an opinion, and they never did anything bad to you or anyone else.
I am ashamed to call you "Eren", you do not deserve the name of a guy who's will to fight for freedom is his top priority.
The only reason why people act negative towards me is because they are Kenny fans. I need not to say any more because this will just make an… more endless loop of arguments. Don't think I'm making this up as an excuse to not reply to you. I felt the need to make that post because of the huge amount of hate I was getting because I support Jane. People just can't seem to accept my opinion and instead hate on me. I don't care what any of you think anymore, end of story.
AJ wasnt in any danger because of walkers. They were too cold to move properly (seen on the scene while Clem walks through bunch of them) and they didnt go after Clem even if she used gun, so how could they possibly go after baby crying?
The only reason she used knife was because she was on the ground and by using the knife, she prevented Kenny from pinning her to the ground and choke/punch her (possibly to death).
You never leave an infant unattended, and if you recall not all the walkers are frozen, some are still animated. And a baby's cries can reac… moreh for a long distance, he would have attracted walkers. The baby is safer with someone who actually cares about him. You are speculating, we're talking about canon, Kenny didn't try or want to kill Jane until Jane became an active threat to his life(slashing at him with the knife, and threatening to kill him) She did want to murder him on purpose, why else would she create this rouse that AJ is dead other than to trigger Kenny into anger, thus giving her the excuse to kill him? She admitted to wanting to kill him first,in the words "I'm going to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery!" How much clearer can you get than that?
You are speculating, I would argue that they'd be hysterical, and crying over what happened, but also deperate to prove there was nothing they could have done. He asked he… [view original content]
It's not about Kenny anymore, it's about your parents not raising you good enough to understand that you don't call people retarded for stating and defending their opinions.
It has nothing to do with the character, it´s how this dude tries so hard to defend him with stupid assumptions when Kenny fucked up. Everyo… morene made mistakes, not just Kenny, but he tries way too hard to see his mistakes in a positive way, it is so ridiculous.
Your point is irrelevant. It doesnt matter that Kenny most likely had "safer" ending than with Jane because when you have to choose between … morethem, it should be based on the facts you would know at that point.
That I should argue about this considering only the facts we know at that point is merely your opinion, and a rather poor attempt to hide you can´t refute the points that I made agaist the safety of Howe´s.
I dont care about the baby, but he was safe enough inside the car.
Like I already repeated too many times and you are ignoring again, the baby could frezee to death in the car so he wasn´t safe.
Even if you have clothes, you still need heat source and protection from cold/wind.
Kenny and Clem can just enter a abandoned house/building to take selther for the cold and the wind when they fell like resting or need to rest. Also, is not unreasonable that one of these houses could have a fire place. Going … [view original content]
Doesn't matter, there's a bigger chance of finding people there.
And still, even if it was a huge risk (which it wasn't if you realize they didn't have anything to lose anyway), it was still proved to be real and bigger than ever, so you can say that we took a risk and got the best of it.
So what? Kenny would have come out of there with bites all over him for that baby, and Jane wasn't going to do that, he lost it of course, anyone would when they lose their hope, he didn't have to go, you think he did, but he didn't.
Here's the thing with that. She didn't kill the baby. It was an accident, but in that world babies are more of a danger to the group because… more of the noise it makes. Get surrounded by a bunch of walkers because the baby won't shut up what will you do? Some would give it up, some will try to fight out of it, others will lose it and probably drop it while trying to get away. Kenny lost it. He had to go.
That's why I took that part off, I didn't want to come off rude, but you just generalized us:
I don't like getting into these kind of arguments, ones that are part of a larger 'war'. But if a person is going to disagree with me, I'd like their case to have some thought put into it.
It was uncalled for, he did put thought in his case, so did everyone else.
what in the actual fuck is wrong with you?
That's pretty fucking rude if you ask me, all I did was further my own point. And while I… more haven't read every reply on here, his definitely didn't have that much thought put into it, as I did the thinking part in my reply.
And no, he couldn't have survived that heart attack, I may lack knowledge, but that is true.
You could see that he died and she just did everything she could to save him, I helped her, but at the time it was just as an effort, I knew he's dead anyway and I was mad at Kenny for killing him so soon, but in the end, he did a legitimate thing, Larry was dead.
You just admitted you have no ideas what those pills can do. Please also take into account Lilly was with her father multiple times during s… moreome attacks and her CPR was an effort to save his life. You ASSUME that his breathing was him turning, when in-fact he could've been very savable. Waiting for the pulse to go out could've been a nice alternative but Kenny escalated the situation. People CAN survive heart attacks without medical treatment. Don't go toting your lack of knowledge as fact.
Kenny himself ADMITS he feels guilty and could've done more to save Shaun. It's even mentioned on the Train in Episode 3 when Duck's dying. He faults himself for it. He didn't think 'Oh Lee can handle it'. He was literally a coward at that moment and recognizes it. He feels guilty in the drugstore too. It's part of his character, and he didn't brush it off as a responsibility to Lee. He could've set his kid down and helped, but didn't. His guilt over thi… [view original content]
Well since you are too stubborn to listen to reason, i am not going to continue this debate with you anymore.
You didn´t refute the points I made agaist Howe´s safety, and your argument for saying the baby was safe is illogical, and I have called you out for that in every single one of my post´s. How his that just being stubborn?
Ive been living in cold area for 20 years, you seem to have no idea how to protect yourself from cold.
I am no saying they couldn´t have a hard time, just that the reasons you are ignoring again make looking for Wellington far for a death sentence.
EDIT: I must say I edited just for some spelling mistakes, just to make that clear.
Well since you are too stubborn to listen to reason, i am not going to continue this debate with you anymore.
Ive been living in cold area for 20 years, you seem to have no idea how to protect yourself from cold.
Doesn't matter, there's a bigger chance of finding people there.
And still, even if it was a huge risk (which it wasn't if you realize th… moreey didn't have anything to lose anyway), it was still proved to be real and bigger than ever, so you can say that we took a risk and got the best of it.
She saved them because they were with Clementine, that's the only reason she saved Kenny.
That doesn't matter anyway, if I had saved you for certain death, then manipulated you into shooting the only man who actually cared about you most in this world, would you still care about that she saved you? I wouldn't, saving people is pretty trivial in that universe, in the comics they save people all the time and just reply with "don't mention it".
And yeah, he made a mistake, but that's only because he caused Luke (and for some Bonnie's) death, and almost Clementine's as well, he's the guy that lets anger get the better of him when you hurt people he loves, that's because he is selfless, he thought that someone else had it covered as he wanted to beat that little fucker for causing the death of his friends and almost of his "daughter" as he thinks of her to be.
She cares about Clementine because she sees herself in Clem, she just wants some company, she's holding onto her for her own selfish reasons, and because she wants to make up and try to find a replacement for her dead sister, who she clearly cared about, but not enough to save her or at least give her a quick, painless death instead of telling her to just stay and getting her eaten alive. She helps Clem not because she cares about who Clementine really is, but because it helps herself.
And I'll quote what Jane said, when the time comes, and your back is against the wall, you'll see who she truly is and you'll also watch as she leaves Clementine to die if it means saving herself, a thing Kenny would never do.
Jane wanted to seperate from Kenny but she wanted Clementine to come with her, since Clem was like a little sister to her (without suicidal … morethoughts).
Jane saved Kenny. Jane saved Luke. Jane saved Clementine and she saved AJ... How exactly does this imply that she only cares about herself? She clearly shows that she cares about Clementines and her safety and she even saves her from the lake, while risking her own life. And when they got inside, Jane was the only one who still cared about saving Clementine, while Kenny was busy having his unjustified revenge on Arvo for not having supplies, which they found few seconds later.
Well since you are too stubborn to listen to reason, i am not going to continue this debate with you anymore.
You didn´t refute the … morepoints I made agaist Howe´s safety, and your argument for saying the baby was safe is illogical, and I have called you out for that in every single one of my post´s. How his that just being stubborn?
Ive been living in cold area for 20 years, you seem to have no idea how to protect yourself from cold.
I am no saying they couldn´t have a hard time, just that the reasons you are ignoring again make looking for Wellington far for a death sentence.
EDIT: I must say I edited just for some spelling mistakes, just to make that clear.
I already explained to you, multiple times, why Wellington was the better reason and that 'looking for Wellington is a death sentence' is bullshit. Continue your argument with me instead of trying again about the same issue with another person.
She saved them because they were with Clementine, that's the only reason she saved Kenny.
That doesn't matter anyway, if I had saved you … morefor certain death, then manipulated you into shooting the only man who actually cared about you most in this world, would you still care about that she saved you? I wouldn't, saving people is pretty trivial in that universe, in the comics they save people all the time and just reply with "don't mention it".
And yeah, he made a mistake, but that's only because he caused Luke (and for some Bonnie's) death, and almost Clementine's as well, he's the guy that lets anger get the better of him when you hurt people he loves, that's because he is selfless, he thought that someone else had it covered as he wanted to beat that little fucker for causing the death of his friends and almost of his "daughter" as he thinks of her to be.
She cares about Clementine because she sees herself in Clem, she just wants som… [view original content]
No, because friends do it for free, that's what people who support Jane's "survival of the fittest - each one for his own - no dead weight" mentality will never understand: Helping the ones you love because you prioritize them before yourself.
My freaking god, you know, I work in a kindergarten, and the kids there are more mature than most here .
Seriously, Kenny-Hater here, Kenny-Fanboys there, I hate you, you have no brain, your'e an a-hole, bla bla...
I killed Kenny too. I have my reasons why. If you want, look at my other posts. Does that mean I have to argue over and over and over and over again? No. No sane person can look at this forum anymore without seeing people, nay, little children fighting about the same topic all the damn time. Shame, I liked the Forum before.
Seriously, bringing Kenny back in Season 2 seems to have been an extremely bad decision. Not because I don't like him, but because of threads like this.
No, because friends do it for free, that's what people who support Jane's "survival of the fittest - each one for his own - no dead weight" mentality will never understand: Helping the ones you love because you prioritize them before yourself.
I already explained to you, multiple times, why Wellington was the better reason and that 'looking for Wellington is a death sentence' is bullshit. Continue your argument with me instead of trying again about the same issue with another person.
Kenny and Clem can just enter an abandoned house/building to take shelter for the cold and the wind when they fell like resting or need to rest. Also, is not unreasonable that one of these houses could have a fire place.
Leaving aside that you still don´t respond why the baby was safe, and the points I made against Howe´s safety, how is this quote a pointless argument? I know they could have a hard time, but a hard time doesn´t translate to death sentence.
Howe's was never a permanent solution, but a place to stay for a while.
I am sure that the Jane endings, or at least the one in which you dont turn the family away, implies that Clem and Jane intend to build their own community, so is just not a place to stay for a while.
You keep making pointless arguments and im too tired to explain why you are wrong, since you would just ignore my explanations.
Howe's was never a permanent solution, but a place to stay for a while.
Bigger chances of losing your life back south, and anyway, I said "risk", not a guaranteed loss like Jane thinks.
It's also about respect, and respecting those who died to get there, if you go back you just shit all over their tombstones.
Kenny doesnt care about Aj or Clementine. He just wants to keep them safe for own selfish reasons, so he has reason to live.
No, he wants to die, but he wants them safe before that, you are just getting my pattern that fits Jane and stick it onto Kenny, who clearly isn't selfish.
And yes, everyone is selfish to an extent, there are no selfless good deeds, but it's clear that Kenny is doing it because he loves her and AJ more than he values his own life, and you can't say the same about Jane.
Go watch the Kenny endings, listen to what he says to Clem and then come back here to tell me he doesn't care about them.
Your last sentence made me smile.
Kenny doesnt care about Aj or Clementine. He just wants to keep them safe for own selfish reasons, so he has reason to live.
With your logic, no one really cares about anyone.
Jane manipulated Kenny, not Clementine. She tested Kenny and he passed at it so Clementine could see, Clementine was nothing more than seeing the truth about what would happen in the situation that Jane set up. Bullshit that Kenny would believe that the baby was actually alive if Jane told him, but she could lure him into his location so he could see him with his own eyes, however, i can´t see much problem killing a madman that endangers everyone around him(besides his "family"), he clearly was becoming a somewhat Carver being, who could only be stopped if killed.
Jane simply tried to antecipate what would eventually has to happen, Kenny´s mind was only getting worse and very unlikely he would turn around and be a sane person again, but people who like him wouldn´t give up on him until his end i guess. Jane wasn´t planning to Clementine having to kill her friend herself though, but that was convenient so the choice could be in her hands too.
With that being said, Jane is the rational, realist choice and Kenny is the emotional, hopeful choice.
First, there's no longer a downvote button so....yeah. xD
Second, both Kenny and Jane were EXTREMELY wrong for the things they did. To b… moree honest, I'd say the most morally "right" choice is to kill them both. They honestly both deserved to die for what they were doing. Kenny for going apeshit without considering maybe Jane DIDN'T kill the baby, and Jane for purposely provoking Kenny into attacking her in an attempt to manipulate Clementine onto her side.
I don't think I need to go through Kenny's flaws here, since you already chose Jane. But, here's why most people didn't choose her.
She left Clementine once and she has a history of leaving people and being a loner. She could easily do it again, while Kenny doesn't leave his friends behind for anything, and it is made clear he cares dearly for Clementine, even if he hates everyone else. So, in terms of who would stick with her, Kenny is more likely. That's not to say the likeli… [view original content]
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He knows her past, he said he knows her type, he saw that leaving a baby to die is in her personality and was convinced she killed his baby for her selfish "survival of the fittest" bullshit.
She said the baby is dead weight I do believe, and you don't expect Kenny to know that and lash out on her? He's smarter than you think.
She did murder the baby, she knew that leaving him would result in him dead, therefore, she murdered him, maybe it isn't the right word, but it has the same meaning and outcome.
You're saying it like it's something that was had to be done, what a bunch of bull.
Kenny may be dangerous, but at least he has his priorities straight. Besides, she did it in the most sick, manipulative and hurtful way anyone could ever do to a man, there are other ways to so that.
For Kenny, it's them, then him, for Jane, it's always herself first.
I do think everything through, I broke my head over what Kenny did.
Bro, stop trying, it's funny.
He o-w-n-e-d you, don't make yourself look worse, that's my advice, because that's what you're doing with those dumb excuses for Jane.
No it isn't, it's how you think it works.
Still hanging around here?
Lol, you think you didn't ruin my entire fucking day by saying this?
You called me something no one has ever did before, and I think it's complete bullshit, sorry.
I never said the word "wrong" when it came to an ending or an opinion, I didn't say people aren't entitled to their opinions, don't say I did.
Dayum, some of y'all need to take a chill pill and calm down. Can't even discuss without getting bashed on. No wonder I'm barely discussing about this game anymore. Calm your tits or else they're gonna fall off. -___-
Jane wanted to seperate from Kenny but she wanted Clementine to come with her, since Clem was like a little sister to her (without suicidal thoughts).
Jane saved Kenny. Jane saved Luke. Jane saved Clementine and she saved AJ... How exactly does this imply that she only cares about herself? She clearly shows that she cares about Clementines and her safety and she even saves her from the lake, while risking her own life. And when they got inside, Jane was the only one who still cared about saving Clementine, while Kenny was busy having his unjustified revenge on Arvo for not having supplies, which they found few seconds later.
It has nothing to do with the character, it´s how this dude tries so hard to defend him with stupid assumptions when Kenny fucked up. Everyone made mistakes, not just Kenny, but he tries way too hard to see his mistakes in a positive way, it is so ridiculous.
That I should argue about this considering only the facts we know at that point is merely your opinion, and a rather poor attempt to hide you can´t refute the points that I made agaist the safety of Howe´s.
Like I already repeated too many times and you are ignoring again, the baby could frezee to death in the car so he wasn´t safe.
Kenny and Clem can just enter a abandoned house/building to take selther for the cold and the wind when they fell like resting or need to rest. Also, is not unreasonable that one of these houses could have a fire place. Going to look for Wellington is hardly a death sentence like you seem to believe and remains the best chance of survival in their situation.
It started stooping to insults like "retarded" and "asshole" (all against me) because I clearly had the better hand in the argument
I kinda see it as a victory, together, we proved them wrong in what we could, especially Eren (which does not deserve to have this name) who just started repeating his fictional arguments against Kenny since his 3rd or 4th post on here.
They still think what they think, but in truh, some opinions can be proved wrong with facts.
Example: Someone says Jane isn't selfish, you present things, actual facts from the game that show she is selfish, at least according to the English interpertation of the word, and then, no matter what they think, you still proved them wrong.
That's pretty fucking rude if you ask me, all I did was further my own point. And while I haven't read every reply on here, his definitely didn't have that much thought put into it, as I did the thinking part in my reply.
Shortly afterwards...
And people call us ignorant.
If "Kenny fans" were a race, I would have called you a racist, but you're worse than that, you judge people according to traits they choose out of their freedom to form an opinion, and they never did anything bad to you or anyone else.
I am ashamed to call you "Eren", you do not deserve the name of a guy who's will to fight for freedom is his top priority.
Not facts, opinions.
AJ wasnt in any danger because of walkers. They were too cold to move properly (seen on the scene while Clem walks through bunch of them) and they didnt go after Clem even if she used gun, so how could they possibly go after baby crying?
The only reason she used knife was because she was on the ground and by using the knife, she prevented Kenny from pinning her to the ground and choke/punch her (possibly to death).
It's not about Kenny anymore, it's about your parents not raising you good enough to understand that you don't call people retarded for stating and defending their opinions.
Yes, I decided to stick around.
Well since you are too stubborn to listen to reason, i am not going to continue this debate with you anymore.
Ive been living in cold area for 20 years, you seem to have no idea how to protect yourself from cold.
Doesn't matter, there's a bigger chance of finding people there.
And still, even if it was a huge risk (which it wasn't if you realize they didn't have anything to lose anyway), it was still proved to be real and bigger than ever, so you can say that we took a risk and got the best of it.
So what? Kenny would have come out of there with bites all over him for that baby, and Jane wasn't going to do that, he lost it of course, anyone would when they lose their hope, he didn't have to go, you think he did, but he didn't.
Well, do whatever you want, just remember that I've got your back, probably.
That's why I took that part off, I didn't want to come off rude, but you just generalized us:
It was uncalled for, he did put thought in his case, so did everyone else.
And no, he couldn't have survived that heart attack, I may lack knowledge, but that is true.
You could see that he died and she just did everything she could to save him, I helped her, but at the time it was just as an effort, I knew he's dead anyway and I was mad at Kenny for killing him so soon, but in the end, he did a legitimate thing, Larry was dead.
You didn´t refute the points I made agaist Howe´s safety, and your argument for saying the baby was safe is illogical, and I have called you out for that in every single one of my post´s. How his that just being stubborn?
I am no saying they couldn´t have a hard time, just that the reasons you are ignoring again make looking for Wellington far for a death sentence.
EDIT: I must say I edited just for some spelling mistakes, just to make that clear.
Who lost his life?
So losing your life isnt anything?
She saved them because they were with Clementine, that's the only reason she saved Kenny.
That doesn't matter anyway, if I had saved you for certain death, then manipulated you into shooting the only man who actually cared about you most in this world, would you still care about that she saved you? I wouldn't, saving people is pretty trivial in that universe, in the comics they save people all the time and just reply with "don't mention it".
And yeah, he made a mistake, but that's only because he caused Luke (and for some Bonnie's) death, and almost Clementine's as well, he's the guy that lets anger get the better of him when you hurt people he loves, that's because he is selfless, he thought that someone else had it covered as he wanted to beat that little fucker for causing the death of his friends and almost of his "daughter" as he thinks of her to be.
She cares about Clementine because she sees herself in Clem, she just wants some company, she's holding onto her for her own selfish reasons, and because she wants to make up and try to find a replacement for her dead sister, who she clearly cared about, but not enough to save her or at least give her a quick, painless death instead of telling her to just stay and getting her eaten alive. She helps Clem not because she cares about who Clementine really is, but because it helps herself.
And I'll quote what Jane said, when the time comes, and your back is against the wall, you'll see who she truly is and you'll also watch as she leaves Clementine to die if it means saving herself, a thing Kenny would never do.
You keep making pointless arguments and im too tired to explain why you are wrong, since you would just ignore my explanations.
Howe's was never a permanent solution, but a place to stay for a while.
I already explained to you, multiple times, why Wellington was the better reason and that 'looking for Wellington is a death sentence' is bullshit. Continue your argument with me instead of trying again about the same issue with another person.
Your last sentence made me smile.
Kenny doesnt care about Aj or Clementine. He just wants to keep them safe for own selfish reasons, so he has reason to live.
With your logic, no one really cares about anyone.
I thought you said "risk" not lose your life.
No, because friends do it for free, that's what people who support Jane's "survival of the fittest - each one for his own - no dead weight" mentality will never understand: Helping the ones you love because you prioritize them before yourself.
My freaking god, you know, I work in a kindergarten, and the kids there are more mature than most here
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Seriously, Kenny-Hater here, Kenny-Fanboys there, I hate you, you have no brain, your'e an a-hole, bla bla...
I killed Kenny too. I have my reasons why. If you want, look at my other posts. Does that mean I have to argue over and over and over and over again? No. No sane person can look at this forum anymore without seeing people, nay, little children fighting about the same topic all the damn time. Shame, I liked the Forum before.
Seriously, bringing Kenny back in Season 2 seems to have been an extremely bad decision. Not because I don't like him, but because of threads like this.
So you actually have problem with people who have similar worldview as Jane?
Bigger chances of losing your life back south, and anyway, I said "risk", not a guaranteed loss like Jane thinks.
It's also about respect, and respecting those who died to get there, if you go back you just shit all over their tombstones.
Well i can just say that your search for wellington is illogical/irrational idea and you can say its not. No point to argue with people like you.
Leaving aside that you still don´t respond why the baby was safe, and the points I made against Howe´s safety, how is this quote a pointless argument? I know they could have a hard time, but a hard time doesn´t translate to death sentence.
I am sure that the Jane endings, or at least the one in which you dont turn the family away, implies that Clem and Jane intend to build their own community, so is just not a place to stay for a while.
They are dead, they wont mind.
No, he wants to die, but he wants them safe before that, you are just getting my pattern that fits Jane and stick it onto Kenny, who clearly isn't selfish.
And yes, everyone is selfish to an extent, there are no selfless good deeds, but it's clear that Kenny is doing it because he loves her and AJ more than he values his own life, and you can't say the same about Jane.
Go watch the Kenny endings, listen to what he says to Clem and then come back here to tell me he doesn't care about them.
Jane manipulated Kenny, not Clementine. She tested Kenny and he passed at it so Clementine could see, Clementine was nothing more than seeing the truth about what would happen in the situation that Jane set up. Bullshit that Kenny would believe that the baby was actually alive if Jane told him, but she could lure him into his location so he could see him with his own eyes, however, i can´t see much problem killing a madman that endangers everyone around him(besides his "family"), he clearly was becoming a somewhat Carver being, who could only be stopped if killed.
Jane simply tried to antecipate what would eventually has to happen, Kenny´s mind was only getting worse and very unlikely he would turn around and be a sane person again, but people who like him wouldn´t give up on him until his end i guess. Jane wasn´t planning to Clementine having to kill her friend herself though, but that was convenient so the choice could be in her hands too.
With that being said, Jane is the rational, realist choice and Kenny is the emotional, hopeful choice.