Again, you rephrase my quotes to something I haven't even said nor meant. Also, you copy and pasted your argument from the other thread and brought it here just to make me argue again? Pathetic. Plus you were the one who started insulting me by calling me an idiot, I never start insulting someone unless they start. Seriously most of your posts are just complaints about Jane and how Jane is "selfish" and how she left the group because she doesn't care. Please shut up and refrain from trying to start arguments with me ever again because you simply are a big ass stubborn, close-minded hypocrite.
Can you really look back at what ErenCoral was saying and call it a opinion? He is all facts, facts, facts and calling people idiots because Kenny sympathizer’s didn´t bown down and immediately change their views.
It may be an annoying one. But he's still entitled to it.
With regards to the 'facts' thing, Kenny supports are doing the same; presenting opinion as fact. You just don't feel the need to challenge them because of the fact you agree with them.
Can you really look back at what ErenCoral was saying and call it a opinion? He is all facts, facts, facts and calling people idiots because Kenny sympathizer’s didn´t bown down and immediately change their views.
I think AWESOMEO's Avatar is of Eren. Seriously though, if you like anime at all, Attack on Titan is worth a watch, as well as Claymore.... not trying to change the subject or anything.....
We know that they give supplies away, and sorry if I can think how them doing means they could be evil-if just reasonable to assume that such a policy couldn´t be established by somebody evil, more that few ambiguities of Wellington means they could totally be evil. We know that the place is more defensible that Howe´s in every single detail. And sorry to burst your bubble, but the guard plainly says that they have overpopulation issues-is not something left to assume.
I never said that the Howe´s ending is invalid, so I don´t even know why you have written this, but whatever.
Of course all hideouts are temporary solutions in the apocalypse and communities are born out of hideouts, but not only is the safety of Howe´ really shaky but Wellington is already a fully formed community safer and better in every way.
I'd remind you that we know basically nothing about Wellington outside of the fact that they have lots of supplies and one nice guard.
If… more they're having to turn people away clearly they are having overpopulation issues.
Howe's ending is just as valid as Wellington's.
All hideouts are temporary solutions in the apocalypse. But communities are born out of said temporary solutions.
I think AWESOMEO's Avatar is of Eren. Seriously though, if you like anime at all, Attack on Titan is worth a watch, as well as Claymore.... not trying to change the subject or anything.....
I think AWESOMEO's Avatar is of Eren. Seriously though, if you like anime at all, Attack on Titan is worth a watch, as well as Claymore.... not trying to change the subject or anything.....
Jane could have stopped the fight, she didn´t and I view what she said and did in light on those two facts. How does this make me or any Kenny supporters wrong?
Thinking people are idiots is an opinion.
It may be an annoying one. But he's still entitled to it.
With regards to the 'facts' thing,… more Kenny supports are doing the same; presenting opinion as fact. You just don't feel the need to challenge them because of the fact you agree with them.
I didn't say you were wrong, I said you were presenting opinions as facts.
What you just gave me is ridiculous evidence regardless.
To start off with, Kenny could have not attacked her for accidentally losing the baby (which is as far as he knew what had happened at that time), and Jane also sheathed her weapon and warned him to get away from her, thus attempting to end the fight.
He then attacks her again, and her right or flight instinct kicks in, and she fights, as it already had with Kenny.
Thus, we can't really blame her for that specific action.
But again, I'm not here to debate, I'm here to stop people being rude to each other.
The confrontational manner in which you expressed your opinion is exactly the kind of rudeness I shall not tolerate. 'Okay flog61'. How patronising.
As a result, I shan't be replying to whatever strongly worded 'MY OPINION IS FACT UR ALL RONG' comment you attempt to sling together.
Okay, Flog61.
Jane could have stopped the fight, she didn´t and I view what she said and did in light on those two facts. How does this make me or any Kenny supporters wrong?
ErenCoal is doing the same thing, he's also forcing his opinions.
I'm not forcing my opinions, and I'm not acting like some fucking savior to this community, people have told me that personally and I won't let people who think otherwise change the truth.
I didn't say you were wrong, I said you were presenting opinions as facts.
What you just gave me is ridiculous evidence regardless.
To… more start off with, Kenny could have not attacked her for accidentally losing the baby (which is as far as he knew what had happened at that time), and Jane also sheathed her weapon and warned him to get away from her, thus attempting to end the fight.
He then attacks her again, and her right or flight instinct kicks in, and she fights, as it already had with Kenny.
Thus, we can't really blame her for that specific action.
But again, I'm not here to debate, I'm here to stop people being rude to each other.
The confrontational manner in which you expressed your opinion is exactly the kind of rudeness I shall not tolerate. 'Okay flog61'. How patronising.
As a result, I shan't be replying to whatever strongly worded 'MY OPINION IS FACT UR ALL RONG' comment you attempt to sling together.
Good day.
Please stop being so close-minded and actually read and understand my posts, okay?
I don't see why you still fail to realize that Jane isn't selfish instead Kenny is.
You fail to prove me wrong in any way.
All the Pro-Kenny fans here keep re-posting the same damn points after I've addressed them, multiple times.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Kenny.
If you honestly can´t see why these quotes don´t show you frustrated because AWESOMEO didn´t automatically change his opinion, then I wonder how much you have really thought this out.
You were the one that first copy pasted the post for the other tread here, I did it because you ran away for the argument with a lame excuse and now you tried to present the same argument in a different tread like nothing had happened. I never called you an idiot. Most of my posts are complains about Jane, yes, and that she is selfish because she only cared about Clementine-she said so herself-, because she never once thought about the consequences could be for Clementine, because she could have tried to talk about the issue instead of provoking a fight to death and because she never bothered to stop the fight when she already proved that Kenny had a violent reaction. You are just ignored my actual arguments and putting words in my mouth.
And really, who is really the big ass stubborn, close-minded hypocrite? You can call me stubborn for replaying to your post´s, and stubborn because I didn´t start thinking that Jane was right, but the same could be said about you and you can´t really call me hypocrite because I never contradicted myself.
Again, you rephrase my quotes to something I haven't even said nor meant. Also, you copy and pasted your argument from the other thread and … morebrought it here just to make me argue again? Pathetic. Plus you were the one who started insulting me by calling me an idiot, I never start insulting someone unless they start. Seriously most of your posts are just complaints about Jane and how Jane is "selfish" and how she left the group because she doesn't care. Please shut up and refrain from trying to start arguments with me ever again because you simply are a big ass stubborn, close-minded hypocrite.
You never leave an infant unattended, and if you recall not all the walkers are frozen, some are still animated. And a baby's cries can reach for a long distance, he would have attracted walkers. The baby is safer with someone who actually cares about him. You are speculating, we're talking about canon, Kenny didn't try or want to kill Jane until Jane became an active threat to his life(slashing at him with the knife, and threatening to kill him) She did want to murder him on purpose, why else would she create this rouse that AJ is dead other than to trigger Kenny into anger, thus giving her the excuse to kill him? She admitted to wanting to kill him first,in the words "I'm going to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery!" How much clearer can you get than that?
You are speculating, I would argue that they'd be hysterical, and crying over what happened, but also deperate to prove there was nothing they could have done. He asked her to be more clear prior to leaving the rest stop, and arguing about this hypothetical situation proves nothing, because in the end Jane was lying, she was manipulating Kenny and Clem, and she did put AJ's life in danger, these are indisputable facts.
The baby was never in any danger... Walkers were frozen and it was safer inside the car than outside. Since we are making assumptions, what … moreif Kenny found the baby, but decided to take advantage of the situation and kill Jane? Now even i know that sounds crazy, but Kenny fans sound just like that when they are trying to convince me that Jane wants to murder Kenny on purpose.
Any person who just escaped from bunch of walkers and walked through blizzard and lost a baby there would not be able to speak because they are shocked (that if Jane was actually speaking true). She gave Kenny time to go outside and make up some fucked up conclusions and he tried to punch her before even asking her to be more clear about what happened.
He had every reason to believe she's lying, he barely knows Jane! And Jane is known for leaving people behind to save herself, she already abandoned the group once after she fucked up and slept with Luke. She is the reason that Arvo's group came after them in the first place, Kenny has every right to distrust everything she says.
Yes... Jane is a liar. But Kenny had no point to believe otherwise than what she said... Kenny was the one who tried to punch her and accuse her for murdering AJ and she defended herself by saying "it was an accident Kenny"
"Crazy Kenny" does not translate to "Evil Kenny".
Crazy Kenny is still a great man and a loving "father" with good morals on top priority… more, all the proof you need is in the Kenny endings.
And you can't really call Jane "sane" if she just staged the death of a fucking baby to prove a shitty point, thus making a kid kill her guardian.
I didn´t try to present it as an evidence-I just say that these two details are undebatable no matter if both sides of the argument like it or not. That doesn´t mean that it is okay for Kenny to attack her first and-while I don’t agree that she attempted to end the fight because her reply to Kenny when he stabs her makes it pretty clear what she really wanted- charged and her when she had sheathed her weapon.
I am sorry you interpreted my reply as confrontational and patronizing, I didn´t want that. I view it as more of a ‘really?’ reaction, but whatever. Like I said before, I never said my opinion was fact and everyone else is wrong, and I don’t know how you can call my posts strongly worded in anyway.
I didn't say you were wrong, I said you were presenting opinions as facts.
What you just gave me is ridiculous evidence regardless.
To… more start off with, Kenny could have not attacked her for accidentally losing the baby (which is as far as he knew what had happened at that time), and Jane also sheathed her weapon and warned him to get away from her, thus attempting to end the fight.
He then attacks her again, and her right or flight instinct kicks in, and she fights, as it already had with Kenny.
Thus, we can't really blame her for that specific action.
But again, I'm not here to debate, I'm here to stop people being rude to each other.
The confrontational manner in which you expressed your opinion is exactly the kind of rudeness I shall not tolerate. 'Okay flog61'. How patronising.
As a result, I shan't be replying to whatever strongly worded 'MY OPINION IS FACT UR ALL RONG' comment you attempt to sling together.
Good day.
He had every reason to believe she's lying, he barely knows Jane! And Jane is known for leaving people behind to save herself, she already a… morebandoned the group once after she fucked up and slept with Luke. She is the reason that Arvo's group came after them in the first place, Kenny has every right to distrust everything she says.
HA... that's funny because it's usually it's the Kenny supports who make the problems. When the episode came out, everyone was on the forum like FUCK JANE. It was Kenny fans that initiated this. I'm with Jane because I wasn't gonna just let Clem do it own her own. And Jane is the best person to take care of her because she knows exactly what she's doing. What she did was wrong, BUT understandable because she did it all for her and the baby in the first place. Jane has a second chance to be a big sister again and Clem has a chance to have a sister like relationship with her.
Thank you, I'm just tired of putting it out there in so many different forms, but some people just never understand/come to terms with what Kenny supporters say.
The situation was real for Kenny, and he acted just as she predicted, thus proving her point. The fight got escalated too far because of them both. Jane was on the ground and when Kenny was charging at her, she slashed with a knife and thats when there was no going back (this happened pretty quickly.
So she defended herself by lying again. What was your point again?? I already agree Jane shouldn't have died by his hands!!
I'm only poin… moreting out the obvious which is that neither were innocent in the situation. That's my only point. Not saying team kenny or fuck Jane, I'm not!! Only pointing out that both could've stopped the fight long before someone died! Meaning both were wrong/at fault for their own choices/actions.
You're over exaggerating Flog. That isn't what he's saying at all, and you're misinterpreting it on purpose imo. Just like when I disagree with others, I propose a series of reasons as to why, not take on this "holier than thou", "I'm taking the high road, and making it seem like I'm not choosing sides, but I am" persona. If you look in the thread you can see how heated it's getting, and AWESOMEO is getting a lot of flack for defending his position and opinion. If he came off rude, it's pretty damn obvious he didn't mean it genuinely. I rarely get irritated with people unless I think they're being unnecessarily rude and/or pompous, and you are exhibiting these traits right now.
That is such a seflish viewpoint to take.
You view yourself as some kind of holy enlightener who needs to save us from our poor, brainwas… morehed minds!
No.
I know what Jane did. I know what Kenny did. I know who I can forgive and who I can't.
Stop trying to act like there is one right answer. There is not. It's up to the players.
You're trying to make others feel bad for choosing differently to you.
Seriously. Drop it.
If you honestly can´t see why these quotes don´t show you frustrated because AWESOMEO didn´t automatically change his opinion, then I wonder how much you have really thought this out.
They don't show how frustrated I am, I think you misused the word.
You were the one that first copy pasted the post for the other tread here, I did it because you ran away for the argument with a lame excuse and now you tried to present the same argument in a different tread like nothing had happened. I never called you an idiot. Most of my posts are complains about Jane, yes, and that she is selfish because she only cared about Clementine-she said so herself-, because she never once thought about the consequences could be for Clementine, because she could have tried to talk about the issue instead of provoking a fight to death and because she never bothered to stop the fight when she already proved that Kenny had a violent reaction. You are just ignored my actual arguments and putting words in my mouth.
I copy pasted my list about the good things Jane did, you however posted your argument towards my post and chose to make the same argument we had before. I didn't run from that thread? Again, you keep saying stuff I never did. You kept reposting points I have already addressed, multiple times. in that thread and now you decided to take our argument from there to here. Most of your complaints I have already proved wrong. She is not selfish, how is taking care of Clem selfish in any way? She always helps the group but the only one she got attached to was Clem because she reminds her of her sister, which isn't her fault. You keep misusing the word selfish. I'm not going to start addressing the other things because I already addressed them, multiple times in this thread and on the other thread with you -_-.
You are stubborn and close-minded because of the fact you keep reposting the same points when I'v already addressed them, basically you are refusing to listen to my posts which makes me ask why you even bother to start an argument... I called you a hypocrite because you call me out for supporting Jane and "not listening to others arguments" while you do the exact same except that I don't even do that in the first place, I listen to other peoples arguments and I reply with my own.
Please stop being so close-minded and actually read and understand my posts, okay?
I don't see why you still fail to realize that Jane is… moren't selfish instead Kenny is.
You fail to prove me wrong in any way.
All the Pro-Kenny fans here keep re-posting the same damn points after I've addressed them, multiple times.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Kenny.
If you honestly can´t see why these quotes don´t show you frustrated because AWESOMEO didn´t automatically change his opinion, then I wonder how much you have really thought this out.
You were the one that first copy pasted the post for the other tread here, I did it because you ran away for the argument with a lame excuse and now you tried to present the same argument in a different tread like nothing had happened. I never called you an idiot. Most of my posts are complains about Jane, yes, and that she is selfish because she only cared about Clementine-she said so herse… [view original content]
I read your posts, and just like Tinni said, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
I fail to prove you wrong because you won't look … moreanywhere but up your own ass, you won't listen to anyone telling you otherwise, I don't think it's a coincidence that most people here side with Kenny.
Says you
Because I know that what you will say won't ever change what I think of it,
lol
No wonder most Kenny fans are ignorant, close-minded and stubborn, maybe because they and Kenny share the same personality.
Eren, is 23:06 where I am from and I am going to sleep, so I am going to edit this to replay to your comment tomorrow.
EDIT: All the Pro-Kenny fans here keep re-posting the same damn points after I've addressed them, multiple times.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Kenny.
You still don´t see how frustrated you seem?
Of course I ´chosen to make the same argument´. It was to see if you actually could replay to my second post, which you didn´t. Twice. You say you were to lazy to replay back, and two days later you repost your entire argument in another tread instead of continuing our argument. How is that not running away?
I never said that taking care of Clem is selfish, but that only caring about her is selfish. Is not that she only got attached to ´Clem´, but that she couldn´t care if the group died if Clem didn´t care about them.
You didn´t adrees anything. When I said Jane killing Troy in such a brutal way didn´t make her any better that Kenny, regardlees how of useful it was, you pretended like it wasn´t there. When I said that doing stuff for the group only because of Clem made her selfish, you only repeated that she also cared about the group without giving more reasons that doing it.
because she never once thought about the consequences could be for Clementine, because she could have tried to talk about the issue instead of provoking a fight to death and because she never bothered to stop the fight when she already proved that Kenny had a violent reaction.
Also, you didn´t adress this anywhere and it hasn´t come up in this tread.
Like I said before, you didn´t adress any of my points. I didn´t ´call you out´ for supporting Jane, I ´called you out´ for treating your opinions as facts. That you don´t listen to other peoples arguments doesn´t have anything to do with my post, even thougth you don´t.
Can you really look back at what ErenCoral was saying and call it a opinion? He is all facts, facts, facts and calling people idiots because Kenny sympathizer’s didn´t bown down and immediately change their views.
Read in better next time.
Also, you seem to have forgotten that you accused me of calling you a idiot. When did I call you a idiot?
If you honestly can´t see why these quotes don´t show you frustrated because AWESOMEO didn´t automatically change his opinion, then I wonder… more how much you have really thought this out.
They don't show how frustrated I am, I think you misused the word.
You were the one that first copy pasted the post for the other tread here, I did it because you ran away for the argument with a lame excuse and now you tried to present the same argument in a different tread like nothing had happened. I never called you an idiot. Most of my posts are complains about Jane, yes, and that she is selfish because she only cared about Clementine-she said so herself-, because she never once thought about the consequences could be for Clementine, because she could have tried to talk about the issue instead of provoking a fight to death and because she never bothered to stop the fight when she already proved that Kenny had a violent reaction. You are just i… [view original content]
Funny, you yourself have already demonstrated several of these in your posts. You really aren't worth debating with, you don't seem capable of conducting a civil conversation without insulting/demeaning others.
You seem to be bringing only a small portion of the arguments me and Tinni told you, go look through the comments again and tell me that it'… mores really "all you ever see them saying".
-Blinded by the truth
-Close-minded
-Ignorant
-Pathetic and rude
-Lack logic in their comments
-Stubborn
@Tinni Can you please help me reasoning with this man? It seems like you were right, they really are lacking a brain at the moment.
That was completely uncalled for. There is absolutely no need to personally insult someone just because they like a character that you don't. Get over yourself.
He murdered Larry...
He let Shawn die despite the fact that he could've tried to help...
He persuaded Lee to let a girl suffer for the… more groups' own benefit....
He only helps you in the end if you side with him all the time despite the fact that Lee helps Kenny allot of times....
Kenny almost lets Lee die a few times if you don't side with him....
He endangered the group by refusing to accept Duck's fate....
He wanted Lee to let Ben die....
He takes food from The Stranger's Family Car causing problems for The Stranger....
He wants to leave Lilly behind, which is practically a death sentence....
His anger took advantage of him multiple times....
He gets Walter killed indirectly by shooting first....
He can determinantly get Alvin killed....
He beats Carver to death in an unnecessary way....
He gets mad at Clementine no matter what she does with Sarita....
He nearly beats Arvo to death....
He bullies A… [view original content]
Did you read any of my post? I just listed off several reasons as to why he had every right to distrust her.
Jane was the one who held him at gunpoint, she was the one who suggested they rob him, so yes she is to blame.
I understand why she left Jaime, but that doesn't negate the fact that she left Jaime behind to save herself. For me, you never leave family behind. I'd rather die than sacrifice my sibling to save myself, especially if they need my help so dearly. I don't know how she can live with herself tbh.
He had no reason to not trust her lies.
Arvo tries to rob your group no matter what so stop blaming Jane for that.
Leaving people behi… morend to save herself huh? So would you rather commit suicide with your little sister than escape and let her do it on her own?
I don't recall demonstrating any of these in my posts. You do realize I made that post right after your fellow Kenny fans kept insulting me right? Please refrain from falsely accusing me, unless you have proof that that is. I was actually waiting till one of your fellow Kenny fans start insulting me, I knew they would seeing as how they are close-minded in the first place. Also I am really trying to stop arguing with you people since you people can't even accept anyone's opinion unless they are a Pro Kenny opinion of course.
-Blinded by the truth
-Close-minded
-Ignorant
-Pathetic and rude
-Lack logic in their comments
-Stubborn
… more
The list just goes on and on
Funny, you yourself have already demonstrated several of these in your posts. You really aren't worth debating with, you don't seem capable of conducting a civil conversation without insulting/demeaning others.
Flog, what you said was really stupid, I won't resort to telling you what I really think, but I will say that you pov is twisted and sick, what you're saying about me 100% bullshit.
I'll drop it like it's hot, and you will stop being a dick.
You're over exaggerating Flog. That isn't what he's saying at all, and you're misinterpreting it on purpose imo. Just like when I disagree w… moreith others, I propose a series of reasons as to why, not take on this "holier than thou", "I'm taking the high road, and making it seem like I'm not choosing sides, but I am" persona. If you look in the thread you can see how heated it's getting, and AWESOMEO is getting a lot of flack for defending his position and opinion. If he came off rude, it's pretty damn obvious he didn't mean it genuinely. I rarely get irritated with people unless I think they're being unnecessarily rude and/or pompous, and you are exhibiting these traits right now.
That's because you seem lack the ability to admit you're wrong, and see things from other people's pov. You only see how people are treating you, but how are you treating them? You started being rude to them first, and when they point it out you refuse to apologize because they "misphrased your point", or aren't conceding to your position. You then proceed to get pissy and start throwing insults at them, so they respond in kind to you( how many times have you said "OMGUUURRRRDD" to attempt to make someone look stupid, or have generalized all Kenny fans in a negative light? When you speak like that nobody will take you seriously, which is why you're being made fun of). You are going to be treated the same way you treat others, it's common sense.
I don't recall demonstrating any of these in my posts. You do realize I made that post right after your fellow Kenny fans kept insulting me … moreright? Please refrain from falsely accusing me, unless you have proof that that is. I was actually waiting till one of your fellow Kenny fans start insulting me, I knew they would seeing as how they are close-minded in the first place. Also I am really trying to stop arguing with you people since you people can't even accept anyone's opinion unless they are a Pro Kenny opinion of course.
I don't recall demonstrating any of these in my posts. You do realize I made that post right after your fellow Kenny fans kept insulting me … moreright? Please refrain from falsely accusing me, unless you have proof that that is. I was actually waiting till one of your fellow Kenny fans start insulting me, I knew they would seeing as how they are close-minded in the first place. Also I am really trying to stop arguing with you people since you people can't even accept anyone's opinion unless they are a Pro Kenny opinion of course.
No, you honestly didn't prove anything. You've stated your points, people have thrown them around in their heads. Other people from the othe… morer side of the fence have thrown theirs around too. Now. I'm not saying either side is right, but what I am saying is that the side of the argument backing up Kenny and calling Jane a manipulative bitch has much stronger points.
The situation was real for Kenny, and he acted just as she predicted, thus proving her point. The fight got escalated too far because of the… morem both. Jane was on the ground and when Kenny was charging at her, she slashed with a knife and thats when there was no going back (this happened pretty quickly.
He had no reason to not trust her lies.
Arvo tries to rob your group no matter what so stop blaming Jane for that.
Leaving people behi… morend to save herself huh? So would you rather commit suicide with your little sister than escape and let her do it on her own?
Typical Kenny fan, always sides with his fellow Kenny fans and everything you say about me is a big pack of lies. I make sure I treat people the same way they treat me. I never started being rude to them, again you start making up stuff. I do admit if I'm wrong, which something you and your fellow Kenny fans will never do. That other guy ( Not AWESOMO) keeps quoting me and rephrases my posts to something which I've never said nor meant. As I've mentioned I don't start throwing insults at a person unless they started first, I'm not that kind of person who insults people for not agreeing with me. I don't generalize all Kenny fans, but most ( Because it's actually true, I'm not making this shit up just so you know ). Your last sentence should be directed towards your fellow Kenny fans because that's what I do to them, I treat them as how they have treated me. Please darling, before you continue with your long paragraph of lies please get your facts straight.
That's because you seem lack the ability to admit you're wrong, and see things from other people's pov. You only see how people are treating… more you, but how are you treating them? You started being rude to them first, and when they point it out you refuse to apologize because they "misphrased your point", or aren't conceding to your position. You then proceed to get pissy and start throwing insults at them, so they respond in kind to you( how many times have you said "OMGUUURRRRDD" to attempt to make someone look stupid, or have generalized all Kenny fans in a negative light? When you speak like that nobody will take you seriously, which is why you're being made fun of). You are going to be treated the same way you treat others, it's common sense.
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Again, you rephrase my quotes to something I haven't even said nor meant. Also, you copy and pasted your argument from the other thread and brought it here just to make me argue again? Pathetic. Plus you were the one who started insulting me by calling me an idiot, I never start insulting someone unless they start. Seriously most of your posts are just complaints about Jane and how Jane is "selfish" and how she left the group because she doesn't care. Please shut up and refrain from trying to start arguments with me ever again because you simply are a big ass stubborn, close-minded hypocrite.
Lol, it's funny how Eren isn't even my real name. I just found the name on a fake name generator because I needed a username.
Thinking people are idiots is an opinion.
It may be an annoying one. But he's still entitled to it.
With regards to the 'facts' thing, Kenny supports are doing the same; presenting opinion as fact. You just don't feel the need to challenge them because of the fact you agree with them.
I think AWESOMEO's Avatar is of Eren. Seriously though, if you like anime at all, Attack on Titan is worth a watch, as well as Claymore.... not trying to change the subject or anything.....
We know that they give supplies away, and sorry if I can think how them doing means they could be evil-if just reasonable to assume that such a policy couldn´t be established by somebody evil, more that few ambiguities of Wellington means they could totally be evil. We know that the place is more defensible that Howe´s in every single detail. And sorry to burst your bubble, but the guard plainly says that they have overpopulation issues-is not something left to assume.
I never said that the Howe´s ending is invalid, so I don´t even know why you have written this, but whatever.
Of course all hideouts are temporary solutions in the apocalypse and communities are born out of hideouts, but not only is the safety of Howe´ really shaky but Wellington is already a fully formed community safer and better in every way.
I actually hate anime for a weird reason :P Thanks for suggesting though.
Ha no worries
It is Eren
Thought so! You have good taste!
Okay, Flog61.
Jane could have stopped the fight, she didn´t and I view what she said and did in light on those two facts. How does this make me or any Kenny supporters wrong?
I didn't say you were wrong, I said you were presenting opinions as facts.
What you just gave me is ridiculous evidence regardless.
To start off with, Kenny could have not attacked her for accidentally losing the baby (which is as far as he knew what had happened at that time), and Jane also sheathed her weapon and warned him to get away from her, thus attempting to end the fight.
He then attacks her again, and her right or flight instinct kicks in, and she fights, as it already had with Kenny.
Thus, we can't really blame her for that specific action.
But again, I'm not here to debate, I'm here to stop people being rude to each other.
The confrontational manner in which you expressed your opinion is exactly the kind of rudeness I shall not tolerate. 'Okay flog61'. How patronising.
As a result, I shan't be replying to whatever strongly worded 'MY OPINION IS FACT UR ALL RONG' comment you attempt to sling together.
Good day.
ErenCoal is doing the same thing, he's also forcing his opinions.
I'm not forcing my opinions, and I'm not acting like some fucking savior to this community, people have told me that personally and I won't let people who think otherwise change the truth.
Please stop being so close-minded and actually read and understand my posts, okay?
I don't see why you still fail to realize that Jane isn't selfish instead Kenny is.
You fail to prove me wrong in any way.
All the Pro-Kenny fans here keep re-posting the same damn points after I've addressed them, multiple times.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Kenny.
If you honestly can´t see why these quotes don´t show you frustrated because AWESOMEO didn´t automatically change his opinion, then I wonder how much you have really thought this out.
You were the one that first copy pasted the post for the other tread here, I did it because you ran away for the argument with a lame excuse and now you tried to present the same argument in a different tread like nothing had happened. I never called you an idiot. Most of my posts are complains about Jane, yes, and that she is selfish because she only cared about Clementine-she said so herself-, because she never once thought about the consequences could be for Clementine, because she could have tried to talk about the issue instead of provoking a fight to death and because she never bothered to stop the fight when she already proved that Kenny had a violent reaction. You are just ignored my actual arguments and putting words in my mouth.
And really, who is really the big ass stubborn, close-minded hypocrite? You can call me stubborn for replaying to your post´s, and stubborn because I didn´t start thinking that Jane was right, but the same could be said about you and you can´t really call me hypocrite because I never contradicted myself.
You never leave an infant unattended, and if you recall not all the walkers are frozen, some are still animated. And a baby's cries can reach for a long distance, he would have attracted walkers. The baby is safer with someone who actually cares about him. You are speculating, we're talking about canon, Kenny didn't try or want to kill Jane until Jane became an active threat to his life(slashing at him with the knife, and threatening to kill him) She did want to murder him on purpose, why else would she create this rouse that AJ is dead other than to trigger Kenny into anger, thus giving her the excuse to kill him? She admitted to wanting to kill him first,in the words "I'm going to put this crusty piece of shit out of his misery!" How much clearer can you get than that?
You are speculating, I would argue that they'd be hysterical, and crying over what happened, but also deperate to prove there was nothing they could have done. He asked her to be more clear prior to leaving the rest stop, and arguing about this hypothetical situation proves nothing, because in the end Jane was lying, she was manipulating Kenny and Clem, and she did put AJ's life in danger, these are indisputable facts.
He had every reason to believe she's lying, he barely knows Jane! And Jane is known for leaving people behind to save herself, she already abandoned the group once after she fucked up and slept with Luke. She is the reason that Arvo's group came after them in the first place, Kenny has every right to distrust everything she says.
and since when did Clem have a guardian? Technically everyone is so Jane didn't kill her guardian
I didn´t try to present it as an evidence-I just say that these two details are undebatable no matter if both sides of the argument like it or not. That doesn´t mean that it is okay for Kenny to attack her first and-while I don’t agree that she attempted to end the fight because her reply to Kenny when he stabs her makes it pretty clear what she really wanted- charged and her when she had sheathed her weapon.
I am sorry you interpreted my reply as confrontational and patronizing, I didn´t want that. I view it as more of a ‘really?’ reaction, but whatever. Like I said before, I never said my opinion was fact and everyone else is wrong, and I don’t know how you can call my posts strongly worded in anyway.
He had no reason to not trust her lies.
Arvo tries to rob your group no matter what so stop blaming Jane for that.
Leaving people behind to save herself huh? So would you rather commit suicide with your little sister than escape and let her do it on her own?
HA... that's funny because it's usually it's the Kenny supports who make the problems. When the episode came out, everyone was on the forum like FUCK JANE. It was Kenny fans that initiated this. I'm with Jane because I wasn't gonna just let Clem do it own her own. And Jane is the best person to take care of her because she knows exactly what she's doing. What she did was wrong, BUT understandable because she did it all for her and the baby in the first place. Jane has a second chance to be a big sister again and Clem has a chance to have a sister like relationship with her.
The situation was real for Kenny, and he acted just as she predicted, thus proving her point. The fight got escalated too far because of them both. Jane was on the ground and when Kenny was charging at her, she slashed with a knife and thats when there was no going back (this happened pretty quickly.
You're over exaggerating Flog. That isn't what he's saying at all, and you're misinterpreting it on purpose imo. Just like when I disagree with others, I propose a series of reasons as to why, not take on this "holier than thou", "I'm taking the high road, and making it seem like I'm not choosing sides, but I am" persona. If you look in the thread you can see how heated it's getting, and AWESOMEO is getting a lot of flack for defending his position and opinion. If he came off rude, it's pretty damn obvious he didn't mean it genuinely. I rarely get irritated with people unless I think they're being unnecessarily rude and/or pompous, and you are exhibiting these traits right now.
They don't show how frustrated I am, I think you misused the word.
I copy pasted my list about the good things Jane did, you however posted your argument towards my post and chose to make the same argument we had before. I didn't run from that thread? Again, you keep saying stuff I never did. You kept reposting points I have already addressed, multiple times. in that thread and now you decided to take our argument from there to here. Most of your complaints I have already proved wrong. She is not selfish, how is taking care of Clem selfish in any way? She always helps the group but the only one she got attached to was Clem because she reminds her of her sister, which isn't her fault. You keep misusing the word selfish. I'm not going to start addressing the other things because I already addressed them, multiple times in this thread and on the other thread with you -_-.
You are stubborn and close-minded because of the fact you keep reposting the same points when I'v already addressed them, basically you are refusing to listen to my posts which makes me ask why you even bother to start an argument... I called you a hypocrite because you call me out for supporting Jane and "not listening to others arguments" while you do the exact same except that I don't even do that in the first place, I listen to other peoples arguments and I reply with my own.
edit: replied to wrong post, ignore this.
Eren, is 23:06 where I am from and I am going to sleep, so I am going to edit this to replay to your comment tomorrow.
EDIT: All the Pro-Kenny fans here keep re-posting the same damn points after I've addressed them, multiple times.
Arguing with you is like arguing with Kenny.
You still don´t see how frustrated you seem?
Of course I ´chosen to make the same argument´. It was to see if you actually could replay to my second post, which you didn´t. Twice. You say you were to lazy to replay back, and two days later you repost your entire argument in another tread instead of continuing our argument. How is that not running away?
I never said that taking care of Clem is selfish, but that only caring about her is selfish. Is not that she only got attached to ´Clem´, but that she couldn´t care if the group died if Clem didn´t care about them.
You didn´t adrees anything. When I said Jane killing Troy in such a brutal way didn´t make her any better that Kenny, regardlees how of useful it was, you pretended like it wasn´t there. When I said that doing stuff for the group only because of Clem made her selfish, you only repeated that she also cared about the group without giving more reasons that doing it.
Also, you didn´t adress this anywhere and it hasn´t come up in this tread.
Like I said before, you didn´t adress any of my points. I didn´t ´call you out´ for supporting Jane, I ´called you out´ for treating your opinions as facts. That you don´t listen to other peoples arguments doesn´t have anything to do with my post, even thougth you don´t.
Read in better next time.
Also, you seem to have forgotten that you accused me of calling you a idiot. When did I call you a idiot?
When I saw this post I was like What the actual fuck?
Funny, you yourself have already demonstrated several of these in your posts. You really aren't worth debating with, you don't seem capable of conducting a civil conversation without insulting/demeaning others.
Sorry I came in so late, I had work.:P
That was completely uncalled for. There is absolutely no need to personally insult someone just because they like a character that you don't. Get over yourself.
Don't give enough of a fuck to make arguments for everything so lemme just take away the stupid points
A random fucking girl who gets bit anyway. So instead if putting her out of her misery, aka you killing her, you get medicine for the entire group.
And Ben was the guy that caused a bunch of deaths and confessed to them.
The stranger left a car full of food on, unlocked, and away for no good reason. Why would he not take the food?
Lilly also just killed a group member in cold blood for no reason.
"indirectly"
He's mad because his girlfriend just died and the only person nearby was Clem. He though it might have been Clem's fault.
Being mislead by Jane.
Did you read any of my post? I just listed off several reasons as to why he had every right to distrust her.
Jane was the one who held him at gunpoint, she was the one who suggested they rob him, so yes she is to blame.
I understand why she left Jaime, but that doesn't negate the fact that she left Jaime behind to save herself. For me, you never leave family behind. I'd rather die than sacrifice my sibling to save myself, especially if they need my help so dearly. I don't know how she can live with herself tbh.
I don't recall demonstrating any of these in my posts. You do realize I made that post right after your fellow Kenny fans kept insulting me right? Please refrain from falsely accusing me, unless you have proof that that is. I was actually waiting till one of your fellow Kenny fans start insulting me, I knew they would seeing as how they are close-minded in the first place. Also I am really trying to stop arguing with you people since you people can't even accept anyone's opinion unless they are a Pro Kenny opinion of course.
I misread your comment.:P
Thanks
Flog, what you said was really stupid, I won't resort to telling you what I really think, but I will say that you pov is twisted and sick, what you're saying about me 100% bullshit.
I'll drop it like it's hot, and you will stop being a dick.
That's because you seem lack the ability to admit you're wrong, and see things from other people's pov. You only see how people are treating you, but how are you treating them? You started being rude to them first, and when they point it out you refuse to apologize because they "misphrased your point", or aren't conceding to your position. You then proceed to get pissy and start throwing insults at them, so they respond in kind to you( how many times have you said "OMGUUURRRRDD" to attempt to make someone look stupid, or have generalized all Kenny fans in a negative light? When you speak like that nobody will take you seriously, which is why you're being made fun of). You are going to be treated the same way you treat others, it's common sense.
You can't recall then because you're closed minded yourself, lol.
You just can't seem to understand what we are saying even if we hit you in the face with it.
I went with Jane also.
Seriously? That's what you think? I honestly think they have weak points. Also I know you're a Kenny fan...
So if she predicted it to go down like that then she lies to Clem saying she didn't know it would go that far.
Like I said kenny may be crazy but Jane is a LIAR on multiple things and she lies to whoever to get her way.
He robs the group because even if you take nothing and are nice Jane steals his gun and threatens him!!!
Typical Kenny fan, always sides with his fellow Kenny fans and everything you say about me is a big pack of lies. I make sure I treat people the same way they treat me. I never started being rude to them, again you start making up stuff. I do admit if I'm wrong, which something you and your fellow Kenny fans will never do. That other guy ( Not AWESOMO) keeps quoting me and rephrases my posts to something which I've never said nor meant. As I've mentioned I don't start throwing insults at a person unless they started first, I'm not that kind of person who insults people for not agreeing with me. I don't generalize all Kenny fans, but most ( Because it's actually true, I'm not making this shit up just so you know ). Your last sentence should be directed towards your fellow Kenny fans because that's what I do to them, I treat them as how they have treated me. Please darling, before you continue with your long paragraph of lies please get your facts straight.