I don't hate the relationship, I like those moments where they interact in S2, it's just I'm not going to use that as an excuse to defend messy writing.
Honestly, I didn't feel a father daughter bond was in play until the Wellington ending. Kenny was more of a father figure to AJ in that one … moreepisode than he ever was to Clem. I always thought that Kenny viewed Clem as a child, but a competent one at that, and he had a child, so yeah, he may have treated Clem like he would've treated his own child. But there's no telling whether or not Kenny even reciprocates such a feeling of being her 'father figure' or if Clem views Kenny in such a way.
If your problem is with how the writers wrote their relationship then that's fine. I still like the relationship my Clem and Kenny have, because it's not perfect, but it's still something I care about.
Dude, that's your freakin' opinion, and that doesn't make it 100% right, and it doesn't make me 100% right either, so don't even try to use that argument with me. I can't argue with how you perceive something.
Expect that Kennys affection towards Clementine spesifically depends on your interactions with Kenny. If you are prick to Kenny, he doesnt help you to find Clementine. If you didnt help his family or didnt help him most of the times, he wont care about Clementine when you ask for his help to find her.
Well, in my game Kenny was kind to Clem no matter what he thought of Lee, he helped me find Clem and was going sacrifice himself to put a kid out of his misery, that was very noble and heroic of him, and I respect him for that.
I don't hate the relationship, I like those moments where they interact in S2, it's just I'm not going to use that as an excuse to defend messy writing.
So what you're saying is that all throughout Season 1 Clementine was a really stupid braindead child unaware of her surroundings that never … morecared about anyone but herself and Lee. You're literally saying that all of her interactions between Clem and Duck and Katjaa play no role in her outlook of Kenny?
"lol I just saw this redneck lose his family in minutes, LOL I WONT SYMPATHIZE WITH HIM EVEN THOUGH DUCK AND KATJAA WERE MY VERY GOOD FRIENDS" - Clem roleplayed by zykelator
You are also forgetting the Kenny that Clem had in mind for 2 years was someone who died heroically trying to save Christa or Ben.
Kenny's and Clem's relationship in Season 2 is completely real and believable.
Even though they barely interacted,Kenny cared about her.
In S1E2, Kenny will be glad that Lee fed both Duck and Clementine but pissed if you don't. Then in S1E5,he wants to get Clem as soon as possible from this line.
"She left me... my son... people that cared about us... I forgive her, but it don't make it any less wrong. You don't just end it 'cause it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about. So let's figure a way outta here and get that little girl"
Dude, that's your freakin' opinion, and that doesn't make it 100% right, and it doesn't make me 100% right either, so don't even try to use that argument with me. I can't argue with how you perceive something.
Your logic really doesnt make any sense. She can state atleast those 2 facts when Luke/their table asks about Kenny. Yes, Kenny was her old … morefriend. Yes, she didnt not know him that well.
Its not up to the player to decide how well Clementine knew Kenny.
I helped him with his family, he came with me, took a little convincing, but he came. Him and Lee were at odds most of the time in my game.And I think the reason she got attached to him so quicly is because she saw some familiarity.
Expect that Kennys affection towards Clementine spesifically depends on your interactions with Kenny. If you are prick to Kenny, he doesnt h… moreelp you to find Clementine. If you didnt help his family or didnt help him most of the times, he wont care about Clementine when you ask for his help to find her.
If you help with his family, you can disagree with pretty much anything else he does, but you must appeal to family spesifically in the conversation. But i guess my point was proven, so this debate is over atleast.
I helped him with his family, he came with me, took a little convincing, but he came. Him and Lee were at odds most of the time in my game.And I think the reason she got attached to him so quicly is because she saw some familiarity.
If you help with his family, you can disagree with pretty much anything else he does, but you must appeal to family spesifically in the conversation. But i guess my point was proven, so this debate is over atleast.
having a forced friendship with someone clem has known for 2 years is still better than having a forced friendship with someone clem has known for 3 days or less cough jane cough
Clementine Knew Kenny for being part of their group... She didnt know Kenny as she can state. Jane talked with Clementine in those 3 days as much as Kenny talked with her in 2 years.
having a forced friendship with someone clem has known for 2 years is still better than having a forced friendship with someone clem has known for 3 days or less cough jane cough
The writers wrote Kenny and Clem as friends expecting people to embrace this friendship much like players did in the Lee and Clem dynamic. Unfortunately peoples opinions of Kenny are far too divisive on each side for this to even make sense. To some Kenny is god. To some Kenny is the worlds largest dirtbag. The thing that matters is what Clementine thinks of Kenny, not what the player thinks of Kenny. According to the game, they never talk and have a conversation. She does with Katjaa, Duck, Ben and possibly Lilly though. So why would she be attached to him? The reason? Nostalgia of the player. The writers forced us to be friends with him with the pre concluded idea that we all loved Kenny. This is a major flaw in the mindset behind the writing.
It is the same way that Kenny... you're always forced to be agree with the others to talk with him, to convince him to help Rebecca, because you are his "friend"... Telltale never gave you the option to say I don't want to clean Kenny's eye or something similar....
To some degree, yes. Jane's relationship with her is a lot more forced, though. Clementine suddenly growing attached to someone she thought … morehad died two years ago in the most heroic way isn't completely crazy. However, we as Clementine are forced to care about Jane's story of her sister and be caring towards her. The fact that Clem met her less than three days ago doesn't help, either. There's no an option such as "Jane, can we just get to work?". The game forces the idea that Clementine looks up to Jane and deeply cares about her. Soo, you're not completely wrong in thinking it's a bit weird, but you are in saying that Clem's relationship with Jane "wasn't as forced." It was. Only some aspects of Clementine's relationship with Kenny were overblown by Telltale.
The writers wrote Kenny and Clem as friends expecting people to embrace this friendship much like players did in the Lee and Clem dynamic. U… morenfortunately peoples opinions of Kenny are far too divisive on each side for this to even make sense. To some Kenny is god. To some Kenny is the worlds largest dirtbag. The thing that matters is what Clementine thinks of Kenny, not what the player thinks of Kenny. According to the game, they never talk and have a conversation. She does with Katjaa, Duck, Ben and possibly Lilly though. So why would she be attached to him? The reason? Nostalgia of the player. The writers forced us to be friends with him with the pre concluded idea that we all loved Kenny. This is a major flaw in the mindset behind the writing.
So if she can say those things, we no problem here. The game can be tailored to suit your interpretation of a lack of connection. Wonderful. Let's all move on.
What is so unbearably difficult to understand that their was likely an off screen relationship?
Simply because she can say that she … moredoesnt actually know Kenny that well, implying that they didnt talk at all, or much? As far as we know, there is only 3 times Kenny and Clementine even talked with each other, 2 of them being group conversations. First one in the car at Strangers supplies, 2nd at the train, 3rd at Crawford.
Kenny also wanted to leave/kill her friend Ben, so i cant see why she would have too friendly connection to him.
Yeah, because I totally said Clementine's relationship with Kenny wasn't forced in some ways. Why I'm I expecting so much out of society?
Oh well, might as well respond to whatever this is.
As Clementine, we at least get dialogue options to agree with the idea that he's becoming a Carver and consider the fact that he's a danger to the rest of the group. The closest you get with Jane is "I'm not sure what to think of her", which isn't even bad. Specially when you consider that Clementine met her three days ago and has experienced first hand what Jane is capable of in such a short time.
So, my point still stands. In a "Forced Relationship" scale, Kenny and Clem's is at 5 or so. Jane and Clem's is probably a 7.
It is the same way that Kenny... you're always forced to be agree with the others to talk with him, to convince him to help Rebecca, because… more you are his "friend"... Telltale never gave you the option to say I don't want to clean Kenny's eye or something similar....
I cant believe that the writers were just be so imprudent with this forced Kenny - Clementine friendship... At first i thought these first 2 episodes werent so bad after all, but now it just got more depressing, after realizing this...
I wanted Carlos to play Kenny's role. I liked him better tbh.
I cant believe that the writers were just be so imprudent with this forced Kenny - Clementine friendship... At first i thought these first 2… more episodes werent so bad after all, but now it just got more depressing, after realizing this...
I wanted Carlos to play Kenny's role. I liked him better tbh.
I have a theory that he was the original choice for Kenny's role. However they added him in E2 for fan service. There are tons of things he does, in episode 2 they hint that he has a problem with violence, anger issues. I think Carlos was going to fight Luke in the final scene, and Sarah were supposed to be alive at the end of S3. I don't believe the baby was going to survive initially. However they had to write in some sort of conflict so naturally they attached Kenny with the baby and orchestrated the fight between Kenny/Jane.
Nobody cared about AJ until Kenny cared about him. It is funny.
They rewrote Carlos to be a complete zombie like Nick in S3. A guy who was so aggressive, does a 180, and slaps his daughter under orders.
I have a theory that he was the original choice for Kenny's role. However they added him in E2 for fan service. There are tons of things he… more does, in episode 2 they hint that he has a problem with violence, anger issues. I think Carlos was going to fight Luke in the final scene, and Sarah were supposed to be alive at the end of S3. I don't believe the baby was going to survive initially. However they had to write in some sort of conflict so naturally they attached Kenny with the baby and orchestrated the fight between Kenny/Jane.
Nobody cared about AJ until Kenny cared about him. It is funny.
They rewrote Carlos to be a complete zombie like Nick in S3. A guy who was so aggressive, does a 180, and slaps his daughter under orders.
Every relationship is forced, eventually you have to talk to everyone. That relationship can be good or bad depending on how you talk to or about the person. This is how story video games have rolled since they were created and as long as Telltale gives us choices to either like or dislike somebody I don't see the problem. With Kenny specifically, Clem can disagree and hate him every step of the way to the ending, but Kenny will like Clementine no matter what even after you wrong him as you can't change how someone feels about you.
Stop hating on Kenny so much. I get you don't like him but without him Lee would have died in S1E1 and Carver would have injured/killed Clem If Kenny didn't took the blame. He's done other good thing's too. You have to give him at least that.
Exactly, I felt he and Lee never really saw eye to eye, mainly due to the fact that in my playthrough I thought Kenny made a lot of bad decisions and my Lee went against them.
I didn't hug Kenny the first time Clem reunites with him, I thought Clem had hardly any emotional attachments to Kenny. The only time my Clem was affectionate to Kenny was in episode 3 where he takes the beating for Clem, I thought that was noble. Other than that he was a huge pain in the ass and the only reason I didn't make Clem shoot Kenny is because I don't feel Clem could do that to someone.
I left Kenny the second I got that option to go to Wellington without him.
Stop hating on Kenny so much. I get you don't like him but without him Lee would have died in S1E1 and Carver would have injured/killed Clem If Kenny didn't took the blame. He's done other good thing's too. You have to give him at least that.
You may have felt that, but lots of other people didn't. I couldn't care less if he was from Season 1, it didn't change the fact that the relationship was forced as you couldn't disagree with him. If this was supposed to be a choice, they should have allowed us to at least tell Kenny that we don't like him.
I don't think the friendship between Clementine and Kenny was forced.
When Clementine and Kenny are alive, one has the feeling that there… more is an existence of Season 1.
Kenny reminds all people too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Therefore Clementine and Kenny connected together, because they have experienced much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
The way I feel about it, your choices determine how well she knew Kenny. If you didn't know him that well then treat him like you didn't know him that well before. If you want your Clem to have known Kenny better, then treat him like you knew him better.
You are ignoring the fact that in those 16 months she spent Christa, she must have talked shit about Kenny. Kenny wanted to leave Omid behi… morend, so i cant imagine that she was too fond of him. Plus Kenny wanted to leave behind Clementine's friend, Ben. I'd imagine that Christa talked about these with Clementine.
If theres this deeper connection betweem them, why can she admit that he doesnt actually know Kenny that well and say he is a jerk?
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It's apparent in the final episode and Telltale keep hitting everyone in the head that Clem and Kenny have always been best pals.
I don't hate the relationship, I like those moments where they interact in S2, it's just I'm not going to use that as an excuse to defend messy writing.
Dude, that's your freakin' opinion, and that doesn't make it 100% right, and it doesn't make me 100% right either, so don't even try to use that argument with me. I can't argue with how you perceive something.
Expect that Kennys affection towards Clementine spesifically depends on your interactions with Kenny. If you are prick to Kenny, he doesnt help you to find Clementine. If you didnt help his family or didnt help him most of the times, he wont care about Clementine when you ask for his help to find her.
You could call it messy writing, but even if it's not perfect, I still am okay with it. If other people aren't then that's fine.
Fucking chill.
I don't see it really forced though.
Even though they barely interacted,Kenny cared about her.
In S1E2, Kenny will be glad that Lee fed both Duck and Clementine but pissed if you don't. Then in S1E5,he wants to get Clem as soon as possible from this line.
"She left me... my son... people that cared about us... I forgive her, but it don't make it any less wrong. You don't just end it 'cause it's hard. You stick it out, and you help the folks you care about. So let's figure a way outta here and get that little girl"
No matter how you interact with both Jane and Kenny, they want to be your best friend. That is a fact, not opinion.
But she can also not state them. You as a player decide what to say.
I helped him with his family, he came with me, took a little convincing, but he came. Him and Lee were at odds most of the time in my game.And I think the reason she got attached to him so quicly is because she saw some familiarity.
If you help with his family, you can disagree with pretty much anything else he does, but you must appeal to family spesifically in the conversation. But i guess my point was proven, so this debate is over atleast.
What do you mean the debate is over?
Is there more you would like to debate about, or return to old arguments?
I guess not.
having a forced friendship with someone clem has known for 2 years is still better than having a forced friendship with someone clem has known for 3 days or less cough jane cough
Clementine Knew Kenny for being part of their group... She didnt know Kenny as she can state. Jane talked with Clementine in those 3 days as much as Kenny talked with her in 2 years.
The writers wrote Kenny and Clem as friends expecting people to embrace this friendship much like players did in the Lee and Clem dynamic. Unfortunately peoples opinions of Kenny are far too divisive on each side for this to even make sense. To some Kenny is god. To some Kenny is the worlds largest dirtbag. The thing that matters is what Clementine thinks of Kenny, not what the player thinks of Kenny. According to the game, they never talk and have a conversation. She does with Katjaa, Duck, Ben and possibly Lilly though. So why would she be attached to him? The reason? Nostalgia of the player. The writers forced us to be friends with him with the pre concluded idea that we all loved Kenny. This is a major flaw in the mindset behind the writing.
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It is the same way that Kenny... you're always forced to be agree with the others to talk with him, to convince him to help Rebecca, because you are his "friend"... Telltale never gave you the option to say I don't want to clean Kenny's eye or something similar....
well i don't wanna be friend with a person that says this about me
This is incorrect. If what you wrote was true, we wouldn't have constant options to badmouth him or side with other people.
This entire thread is a non-issue.
So if she can say those things, we no problem here. The game can be tailored to suit your interpretation of a lack of connection. Wonderful. Let's all move on.
Yeah, because I totally said Clementine's relationship with Kenny wasn't forced in some ways. Why I'm I expecting so much out of society?
Oh well, might as well respond to whatever this is.
As Clementine, we at least get dialogue options to agree with the idea that he's becoming a Carver and consider the fact that he's a danger to the rest of the group. The closest you get with Jane is "I'm not sure what to think of her", which isn't even bad. Specially when you consider that Clementine met her three days ago and has experienced first hand what Jane is capable of in such a short time.
So, my point still stands. In a "Forced Relationship" scale, Kenny and Clem's is at 5 or so. Jane and Clem's is probably a 7.
I wanted Carlos to play Kenny's role. I liked him better tbh.
I think Carlos was way too overprotective for that role. After what he did to Sarah, i dont think he could have been good guardian for Clementine.
This right here ladies and gents.
I have a theory that he was the original choice for Kenny's role. However they added him in E2 for fan service. There are tons of things he does, in episode 2 they hint that he has a problem with violence, anger issues. I think Carlos was going to fight Luke in the final scene, and Sarah were supposed to be alive at the end of S3. I don't believe the baby was going to survive initially. However they had to write in some sort of conflict so naturally they attached Kenny with the baby and orchestrated the fight between Kenny/Jane.
Nobody cared about AJ until Kenny cared about him. It is funny.
They rewrote Carlos to be a complete zombie like Nick in S3. A guy who was so aggressive, does a 180, and slaps his daughter under orders.
I don't think the friendship between Clementine and Kenny was forced.
When Clementine and Kenny are alive, one has the feeling that there is an existence of Season 1.
Kenny reminds all people too much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
Therefore Clementine and Kenny connected together, because they have experienced much of Season 1 with Lee and everyone else.
That's awesome!
It's actually quite funny to realize that the game you liked first playthrough is actually shit.
"shit" dafuq, i guess shit wins over 80 awards now
LOL. What season does the character you use as your profile pic come from?
Season 2 is shit.
Every relationship is forced, eventually you have to talk to everyone. That relationship can be good or bad depending on how you talk to or about the person. This is how story video games have rolled since they were created and as long as Telltale gives us choices to either like or dislike somebody I don't see the problem. With Kenny specifically, Clem can disagree and hate him every step of the way to the ending, but Kenny will like Clementine no matter what even after you wrong him as you can't change how someone feels about you.
Stop hating on Kenny so much. I get you don't like him but without him Lee would have died in S1E1 and Carver would have injured/killed Clem If Kenny didn't took the blame. He's done other good thing's too. You have to give him at least that.
Exactly, I felt he and Lee never really saw eye to eye, mainly due to the fact that in my playthrough I thought Kenny made a lot of bad decisions and my Lee went against them.
I didn't hug Kenny the first time Clem reunites with him, I thought Clem had hardly any emotional attachments to Kenny. The only time my Clem was affectionate to Kenny was in episode 3 where he takes the beating for Clem, I thought that was noble. Other than that he was a huge pain in the ass and the only reason I didn't make Clem shoot Kenny is because I don't feel Clem could do that to someone.
I left Kenny the second I got that option to go to Wellington without him.
Kenny forces Clementine to take the radio in the first place. Nothing heroic about saving her from a mess he put her in.
You may have felt that, but lots of other people didn't. I couldn't care less if he was from Season 1, it didn't change the fact that the relationship was forced as you couldn't disagree with him. If this was supposed to be a choice, they should have allowed us to at least tell Kenny that we don't like him.
The way I feel about it, your choices determine how well she knew Kenny. If you didn't know him that well then treat him like you didn't know him that well before. If you want your Clem to have known Kenny better, then treat him like you knew him better.
lololol proof that this is troll thread.
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lolol, try harder next time :P