If Lee kills him it's to defend himself and save Clementine( The Stranger even said he would kill Clem if she went back with Lee). If Clementine kills him it's to save Lee from dying at the hands of The Stranger who's trying to murder Lee.
Murder is killing someone in cold blood with no remorse or regret. The Stranger wanted to kill Lee (and possibly Clem if it was up to him) and would've gladly done so. Lee and Clem actually looked sad when they looked at his dead body. For Lee and Clem it's self defence plus you can see regret in their faces over the stranger's death(well Lee is more noticeable as Clem is mainly scared/sad).
I do care but not in the extreme way clem already seems to, When she gets him out of the car she goes "AJ Omg snuggles" I rolled my eyes a little. I'd protect the kid best I could but I dont want the whole season to center about the baby.
I just hope we get to give it to some group and go our own way, clem cant take care of it on her own
Why shouldn't she care about him? I don't understand the she cares about him more than she should thing. Maybe she has a natural instinct that people on this forum seem to lack lol
I would abandon the baby the next chance I get and prevent future births by preparing some abortion pills. Also, Kenny should have kept his mind straight by leaving the baby with Rebecca when firefight ended.
Random question: Murder is defined as one human killing another unlawfully or not within set rules. With law/rule gone, does that make every killing a murder?
I understand that. I'm just saying labeling murder as evil is not correct. Murder + Circumstances = Evil.
In another case. Lee killing the senator was murder. Murder is evil. Lee is evil..... or is he?
If Lee kills him it's to defend himself and save Clementine( The Stranger even said he would kill Clem if she went back with Lee). If Clemen… moretine kills him it's to save Lee from dying at the hands of The Stranger who's trying to murder Lee.
Murder is killing someone in cold blood with no remorse or regret. The Stranger wanted to kill Lee (and possibly Clem if it was up to him) and would've gladly done so. Lee and Clem actually looked sad when they looked at his dead body. For Lee and Clem it's self defence plus you can see regret in their faces over the stranger's death(well Lee is more noticeable as Clem is mainly scared/sad).
of course you want to ditch the baby you are a jane fan its funny most of the jane fans don't like the baby and most of the kenny ones like … morethe baby huh either way leaving the baby for bait is pretty fucked up like really fucked up like if you REALLY have to and i mean really then i guess you have no choice but if you are just keeping him just so you can use him for bait when there are other options then that is just fucked
Random question: Murder is defined as one human killing another unlawfully or not within set rules. With law/rule gone, does that make every… more killing a murder?
I understand that. I'm just saying labeling murder as evil is not correct. Murder + Circumstances = Evil.
In another case. Lee killing the senator was murder. Murder is evil. Lee is evil..... or is he?
I dunno why people think it's, "Clem or the baby". The baby will basically be attached to Clem. If Clem dies, AJ is also going to die with nobody to take care of him. AJ isn't going to be wandering anywhere by himself, he's a damn BABY.
Yes, but only if one comes to regret such actions. It doesn't make the action any less evil, but yes, I think it is possible for someone to be redeemed from evil actions, even when it involves using a defenseless child for bait.
I do care but not in the extreme way clem already seems to, When she gets him out of the car she goes "AJ Omg snuggles" I rolled my eyes a l… moreittle. I'd protect the kid best I could but I dont want the whole season to center about the baby.
I just hope we get to give it to some group and go our own way, clem cant take care of it on her own
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Actually, to many(fans and even Telltale goes with the good version of Lee), yes he was. He chose to take care of the children, help the group it needed him most, hell he even gave his life for Clementine. Redemption comes from making up for the bad things you do. And Lee did just that. If that's not a path of redemption I dunno what is.
Yes, but only if one comes to regret such actions. It doesn't make the action any less evil, but yes, I think it is possible for someone to be redeemed from evil actions, even when it involves using a defenseless child for bait.
I don't think he even called you a jane fan he just said that those who seem to be fans of kenny won't leave the baby while those who are fans of jane will leave it. He's not saying its Just kenny and jane fans
Then the world turned to hell. Lee, both metaphorically and literally, got a get-out-of-jail-free card from the apocalypse. It was a restart. And Lee didn't disappoint, as he took care of Clementine and sacrificed himself for her.
How do you know? Is everyone saying, I'm a Kenny fan and I'm doing this, I'm a Jane fan and I'm doing that? I'm certainly not a Kenny fan and I think abandoning a baby is horrible.
He didn't redeem himself through his immediate family, he redeemed himself through his found family. He fucked up, definitely, that's why the game started in the back of a cop car, but that's the point of a redemption tale, the "return" from a fuck up.
He didn't redeem himself through his immediate family, he redeemed himself through his found family. He fucked up, definitely, that's why th… moree game started in the back of a cop car, but that's the point of a redemption tale, the "return" from a fuck up.
I also don't understand why the Forumites are anti-Clem&AJ relationship. That was a major flaw with this season, and having Clem be the PC, we have to choose how she feels about things like the baby. I can totally understand the bond she has with AJ, so that portion of her character makes sense to me, but others don't understand why she would have that connection.
Maybe it is. I acknowledge that it isn't an easy choice. But as I've stated before, if it's either me or a baby I have no emotional attachment to, I nominate that the baby needs to sacrifice itself for my survival.
Keep in mind this is two years into a hellscape apocalypse. My assumptions are all based off my personal biased towards babies. Who knows what people are capable of at that point in time. I don't pretend by that point I'd still be holding on to some sense of value of idealism.
Right. As I said I've seen quasi-understandable arguments for leaving the child, but actually holding onto the baby in order to have it be (presumably) violently torn apart and eaten alive is just dark. Very, extremely, horrifyingly dark.
, both metaphorically and literally, got a get-out-of-jail-free card
Not really, his family was still dead he wasn't there when they needed him, I'm sure that stuck with him throughout the game. Even if he didn't talk about it.
And he was convicted for the crime.
Then the world turned to hell. Lee, both metaphorically and literally, got a get-out-of-jail-free ca… morerd from the apocalypse. It was a restart. And Lee didn't disappoint, as he took care of Clementine and sacrificed himself for her.
, both metaphorically and literally, got a get-out-of-jail-free card
Not really, his family was still dead he wasn't there when they needed him, I'm sure that stuck with him throughout the game. Even if he didn't talk about it.
lol yea i am 100% 15 ok whether you wanna think i was just going based on what i have seen you comment i'm pretty sure that is thinking for myself kid and you did seem like a jane fan on other threads i have seen things like fuck kenny from you but not once have i seen fuck jane yet either way lets not start something here the topic is aj not jane and kenny i was simply pointing out a observation nothing more
I'm so sick of being called a "Jane fan." What does that even mean? That I can think for myself?
I'm assuming you're like fifteen, so you… more have yet to face the real world. But typically, there are more than Team 1 and Team 2. I'm Team Clementine. No one else.
THINK FOR YOURSELF
I would abandon the baby the next chance I get and prevent future births by preparing some abortion pills. Also, Kenny should have kept his mind straight by leaving the baby with Rebecca when firefight ended.
lol yea i am 100% 15 ok whether you wanna think i was just going based on what i have seen you comment i'm pretty sure that is thinking for … moremyself kid and you did seem like a jane fan on other threads i have seen things like fuck kenny from you but not once have i seen fuck jane yet either way lets not start something here the topic is aj not jane and kenny i was simply pointing out a observation nothing more
Not in that world. What kind of world is salvageable that would see a little fifteen year old getting torn limb from limb and not shed a sin… moregle tear?
It broke my Clementine, now she's all about herself and'll be damned if she lets a brat run her down a shallow grave.
Most people don't actually disagree with the idea of prioritizing Clem's life over AJ's, as you can see in this thread. What they find abhorrent is the idea of keeping a human life around for the sole purpose of destroying it for your own benefit.
It's one thing to say "I would save myself over this other person." It's another thing to say "I am only keeping this person around to die for my benefit." The former is selfish but it's quite understandable to value your life above that of another, particularly a stranger. The latter strikes me as distinctly more predatory. You're viewing a human life as merely a tool to serve your needs and nothing more. That's crossing the line from pragmatism into sociopathy.
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If Lee kills him it's to defend himself and save Clementine( The Stranger even said he would kill Clem if she went back with Lee). If Clementine kills him it's to save Lee from dying at the hands of The Stranger who's trying to murder Lee.
Murder is killing someone in cold blood with no remorse or regret. The Stranger wanted to kill Lee (and possibly Clem if it was up to him) and would've gladly done so. Lee and Clem actually looked sad when they looked at his dead body. For Lee and Clem it's self defence plus you can see regret in their faces over the stranger's death(well Lee is more noticeable as Clem is mainly scared/sad).
I do care but not in the extreme way clem already seems to, When she gets him out of the car she goes "AJ Omg snuggles" I rolled my eyes a little. I'd protect the kid best I could but I dont want the whole season to center about the baby.
I just hope we get to give it to some group and go our own way, clem cant take care of it on her own
I would abandon the baby the next chance I get and prevent future births by preparing some abortion pills. Also, Kenny should have kept his mind straight by leaving the baby with Rebecca when firefight ended.
Random question: Murder is defined as one human killing another unlawfully or not within set rules. With law/rule gone, does that make every killing a murder?
I understand that. I'm just saying labeling murder as evil is not correct. Murder + Circumstances = Evil.
In another case. Lee killing the senator was murder. Murder is evil. Lee is evil..... or is he?
i mean its not like i hate him
its just if it was clem or aj lol you know who i'd pick
I'm a Jane fan, and I would never abandon AJ...
Lee was redeemed. Evil can be forgiven, but that doesn't make Lee's murder any less evil. He shouldn't have done it.
So the action of saving the baby specifically for bait can be redeemed.
I dunno why people think it's, "Clem or the baby". The baby will basically be attached to Clem. If Clem dies, AJ is also going to die with nobody to take care of him. AJ isn't going to be wandering anywhere by himself, he's a damn BABY.
Yes, but only if one comes to regret such actions. It doesn't make the action any less evil, but yes, I think it is possible for someone to be redeemed from evil actions, even when it involves using a defenseless child for bait.
So is it bad for Clem to be surprised and relieved that AJ was alive?
No he wasn't.
Perhaps redeemed isn't the correct term. He was forgiven because it happened before the apocalypse.
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Actually, to many(fans and even Telltale goes with the good version of Lee), yes he was. He chose to take care of the children, help the group it needed him most, hell he even gave his life for Clementine. Redemption comes from making up for the bad things you do. And Lee did just that. If that's not a path of redemption I dunno what is.
Interesting. So, to you, no action is actually evil as long as you regret it and do something to atone for it?
Lee hurt his wife, his family, The State Senators family, he hurt a lot of people.
He wasn't?
He still wasn't there for his family when they needed him. What does that say about Lee. He fucked up.
He implied... strongly.
And he was convicted for the crime.
Then the world turned to hell. Lee, both metaphorically and literally, got a get-out-of-jail-free card from the apocalypse. It was a restart. And Lee didn't disappoint, as he took care of Clementine and sacrificed himself for her.
I'm referring to people always diluting a point down to "us versus them." Something that kids with no knowledge of the outside world love to do.
He didn't redeem himself through his immediate family, he redeemed himself through his found family. He fucked up, definitely, that's why the game started in the back of a cop car, but that's the point of a redemption tale, the "return" from a fuck up.
Not sure if serious....
I'm not saying Lee is a bad man, he is my favorite character of this whole Series, i forgiven him. Its just things he has done, he has to live with.
That was my thought.
I also don't understand why the Forumites are anti-Clem&AJ relationship. That was a major flaw with this season, and having Clem be the PC, we have to choose how she feels about things like the baby. I can totally understand the bond she has with AJ, so that portion of her character makes sense to me, but others don't understand why she would have that connection.
Maybe it is. I acknowledge that it isn't an easy choice. But as I've stated before, if it's either me or a baby I have no emotional attachment to, I nominate that the baby needs to sacrifice itself for my survival.
Keep in mind this is two years into a hellscape apocalypse. My assumptions are all based off my personal biased towards babies. Who knows what people are capable of at that point in time. I don't pretend by that point I'd still be holding on to some sense of value of idealism.
Not really, his family was still dead he wasn't there when they needed him, I'm sure that stuck with him throughout the game. Even if he didn't talk about it.
I agree 101%. But living with the things he has done (or, in cases, couldn't do... like saving his family) in no way prevents redemption does it?
I thought we were talking about his murder?
No, I said it doesn't make the actions any less evil, but makes them forgivable.
I was talking about the consequences of his actions.
lol yea i am 100% 15 ok whether you wanna think i was just going based on what i have seen you comment i'm pretty sure that is thinking for myself kid and you did seem like a jane fan on other threads i have seen things like fuck kenny from you but not once have i seen fuck jane yet either way lets not start something here the topic is aj not jane and kenny i was simply pointing out a observation nothing more
So youre pro-extinction? Awesome. You must think the world is not worth saving.
Ok, well, you may want to punctuate. Cause now I'm out of breath.
Also, just because I never say "fuck Jane" doesn't prove anything other than the fact that between her and Mr. Asshole, I like Jane much better.
Not in that world. What kind of world is salvageable that would see a little fifteen year old getting torn limb from limb and not shed a single tear?
It broke my Clementine, now she's all about herself and'll be damned if she lets a brat run her down a shallow grave.
How is AJ even a brat? He can't even talk, nor does he have any knowledge on how people and the world works.
You've gone crazy.
Gee, Telltale, your sloppy writing made someone cold and kind of nuts, way to go. -_-
Most people don't actually disagree with the idea of prioritizing Clem's life over AJ's, as you can see in this thread. What they find abhorrent is the idea of keeping a human life around for the sole purpose of destroying it for your own benefit.
It's one thing to say "I would save myself over this other person." It's another thing to say "I am only keeping this person around to die for my benefit." The former is selfish but it's quite understandable to value your life above that of another, particularly a stranger. The latter strikes me as distinctly more predatory. You're viewing a human life as merely a tool to serve your needs and nothing more. That's crossing the line from pragmatism into sociopathy.