I've never liked the baby and wanted to get rid of it at first sight cus I'm more of a loner when it comes to people, BUT I don't think I'd want that fate for the little guy. I'd at least try and find him a group or safe haven first, and if I couldn't then I'd leave him behind.
Most people don't actually disagree with the idea of prioritizing Clem's life over AJ's, as you can see in this thread. What they find abhor… morerent is the idea of keeping a human life around for the sole purpose of destroying it for your own benefit.
It's one thing to say "I would save myself over this other person." It's another thing to say "I am only keeping this person around to die for my benefit." The former is selfish but it's quite understandable to value your life above that of another, particularly a stranger. The latter strikes me as distinctly more predatory. You're viewing a human life as merely a tool to serve your needs and nothing more. That's crossing the line from pragmatism into sociopathy.
Well according to these people you do. In fact, according to these people, you take defenseless babies to use as distractions simply for the sole fact that the child is a baby.
I know it's just a game... but how can anyone be that twisted in the head, that sickening to just let a child die like that so they can save their own miserable sorry asses?
I know what you mean. Everyone is different and I wouldn't judge them to harshly for thinking that way. It may seem twisted to us, but to them it's survival. Let them think, and do what they think is right, at least our moral conscience will remain intact afterwards.
Well according to these people you do. In fact, according to these people, you take defenseless babies to use as distractions simply for th… moree sole fact that the child is a baby.
I know it's just a game... but how can anyone be that twisted in the head, that sickening to just let a child die like that so they can save their own miserable sorry asses?
Eh, it's alright. Gets a bit messy with the post threading and I miss some of the old features we had like polls and stuff, but it's alright. Not gonna have much to talk about for a while though.
I honestly don't think anyone would do that, no matter what they say on here. It's easy to come up with a scenario in some situation that will never happen but like you said, only someone really sick in the head would do something like that in real life.
Well according to these people you do. In fact, according to these people, you take defenseless babies to use as distractions simply for th… moree sole fact that the child is a baby.
I know it's just a game... but how can anyone be that twisted in the head, that sickening to just let a child die like that so they can save their own miserable sorry asses?
Eh, it's alright. Gets a bit messy with the post threading and I miss some of the old features we had like polls and stuff, but it's alright. Not gonna have much to talk about for a while though.
I honestly don't think anyone would do that, no matter what they say on here. It's easy to come up with a scenario in some situation that wi… morell never happen but like you said, only someone really sick in the head would do something like that in real life.
They actually migrated over to a new forum that IWasteMyTime created. For some reason, I can't seem to link it here without needing moderator approval, but you can find it if you just search up "the other twd forum." TKA, Rock114, and a few others also still visit here from time to time.
If you do anything other than that... what are you? Yeah, some people are helpless at a certain age, but what do you get when you help the ones who can't help themselves? You get dignity, honor, morality, peace of mind.
I have nothing to look forward to in this life... why would I sacrifice someone else's life just to go on for another day, a baby no less! I would look forward to seeing Lee in Heaven when I die, but AJ deserves the chance to survive!
They actually migrated over to a new forum that IWasteMyTime created. For some reason, I can't seem to link it here without needing moderato… morer approval, but you can find it if you just search up "the other twd forum." TKA, Rock114, and a few others also still visit here from time to time.
People who think for themselves are worse than Carver.
Carver was wrong in this case: you aren't the same as him. You're much worse. At… more least Carver did what he did to lead and protect the community. He did what he did for his people, and he died believing that. That is at least honorable.
I have nothing to look forward to in this life... why would I sacrifice someone else's life just to go on for another day, a baby no less! I would look forward to seeing Lee in Heaven when I die, but AJ deserves the chance to survive!
Well that turned from inspirational into defeatist real quick. If Clem doesn't appreciate her life in the apocalypse, what makes you think AJ would his? If seeing your loved ones again in heaven is so much better than trying to survive in real world, why not just let the baby die so it can reunite with its Mommy and Daddy (and maybe Kenny)?
What do you do with the helpless?
You reach down to them. You help them up.
If you do anything other than that... what are you? Yeah… more, some people are helpless at a certain age, but what do you get when you help the ones who can't help themselves? You get dignity, honor, morality, peace of mind.
I have nothing to look forward to in this life... why would I sacrifice someone else's life just to go on for another day, a baby no less! I would look forward to seeing Lee in Heaven when I die, but AJ deserves the chance to survive!
I have nothing to look forward to in this life... why would I sacrifice someone else's life just to go on for another day, a baby no less! I… more would look forward to seeing Lee in Heaven when I die, but AJ deserves the chance to survive!
Well that turned from inspirational into defeatist real quick. If Clem doesn't appreciate her life in the apocalypse, what makes you think AJ would his? If seeing your loved ones again in heaven is so much better than trying to survive in real world, why not just let the baby die so it can reunite with its Mommy and Daddy (and maybe Kenny)?
And again, I have no quarrels with you placing Clem before the baby (well, slightly, but that not on the argument table). What I do have an intense distaste for is you actively working towards using the baby as a device for self preservation. To leave it is one thing. To use it is another, much more horrifying thing. Anyways, until next time.
Maybe it is. I acknowledge that it isn't an easy choice. But as I've stated before, if it's either me or a baby I have no emotional attachme… morent to, I nominate that the baby needs to sacrifice itself for my survival.
Keep in mind this is two years into a hellscape apocalypse. My assumptions are all based off my personal biased towards babies. Who knows what people are capable of at that point in time. I don't pretend by that point I'd still be holding on to some sense of value of idealism.
Well according to these people you do. In fact, according to these people, you take defenseless babies to use as distractions simply for th… moree sole fact that the child is a baby.
I know it's just a game... but how can anyone be that twisted in the head, that sickening to just let a child die like that so they can save their own miserable sorry asses?
The baby would be fine IF we had a group. But just Clementine to care for a baby? To constantly be in mortal danger cause it won't shut the hell up? My Clementine may be a "monster," but she'll be alive and not have a fate similar to Sarah... Or Pete, Reggie, Walter, Matthew, Luke, Omid... Lee.
They all died for nothing, my Clementine won't go down like that though.
I respect your opinion, I have no qualms about keeping the little sack of "joy" if Clementine had a fairly big group of people. Unfortunately, by the end of "No Going Back," Clementine is down to two people (or just herself). Clementine's had a good run of being idealistic, now she needs to think about surviving, true surviving. Thinking ahead for the worst case scenario.
What if Clementine's completely overrun and has no other options but to die a horrible death alone or use the baby to ensure she lives another day? I choose the latter. And unfortunately people can't see past AJ dying, what about the image of Clementine and AJ dying? That's an image I don't want, and I refuse to let it occupy my mind.
And again, I have no quarrels with you placing Clem before the baby (well, slightly, but that not on the argument table). What I do have an … moreintense distaste for is you actively working towards using the baby as a device for self preservation. To leave it is one thing. To use it is another, much more horrifying thing. Anyways, until next time.
People who think for themselves are worse than Carver.
I, uh, believe you may be mistaking the phrase "thinking of yourself" and "thinking for yourself." Thinking of yourself means that you're selfish; thinking for yourself means that you're not a mindless idiot going along with everyone else.
Also, sorry to pull Godwin's Law here, but I'd say that Hitler did what he did "for his people." That in no way makes him "honorable." Some of the worst crimes ever committed by humanity were done for the sake of ideology and "protecting your people."
People who think for themselves are worse than Carver.
Carver was wrong in this case: you aren't the same as him. You're much worse. At… more least Carver did what he did to lead and protect the community. He did what he did for his people, and he died believing that. That is at least honorable.
No, you fool! This is fairytale land where you can survive two years into a zombie hellscape just by being nice and cordial to others.
Just click your heels three times and say "there's no place like home" and, BOOM! You've survived another whole year!
Jokes aside, I agree. And people seem to assume I'd be easy for me to herd walkers by using a baby as bait. It wouldn't, but I don't have much of a chance if there isn't some form of defense helping me live. Whether it's a weapon or something a little more (for lack of a better word) bleak. A solution is a solution.
People who think for themselves are worse than Carver.
I, uh, believe you may be mistaking the phrase "thinking of yourself" and "th… moreinking for yourself." Thinking of yourself means that you're selfish; thinking for yourself means that you're not a mindless idiot going along with everyone else.
Also, sorry to pull Godwin's Law here, but I'd say that Hitler did what he did "for his people." That in no way makes him "honorable." Some of the worst crimes ever committed by humanity were done for the sake of ideology and "protecting your people."
It's a solution, yeah, but only one for the problem of dying. For most other people, there's a secondary problem of hating themselves for what they've become.
Surviving in really tough situations often means deciding how much self-loathing you're willing to put up with in order to make it through another day. For a lot of people in here, they draw the line at using a baby as live bait, regardless of whether or not they're emotionally attached to it. To them, committing such an act would mean hating themselves so much that life wouldn't be worth living.
Of course, different people have different thresholds for what they're willing to do to survive and yours seems to be a bit higher than most. But aside from complete psychopaths, I think everybody has some line that they're not willing to cross even if it means staying alive. For instance, what if staying alive means having to personally torture a baby to death? Could you still call it a solution then? I couldn't. And I'd be pretty appalled at anybody who could.
No, you fool! This is fairytale land where you can survive two years into a zombie hellscape just by being nice and cordial to others.
Ju… morest click your heels three times and say "there's no place like home" and, BOOM! You've survived another whole year!
Jokes aside, I agree. And people seem to assume I'd be easy for me to herd walkers by using a baby as bait. It wouldn't, but I don't have much of a chance if there isn't some form of defense helping me live. Whether it's a weapon or something a little more (for lack of a better word) bleak. A solution is a solution.
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I've never liked the baby and wanted to get rid of it at first sight cus I'm more of a loner when it comes to people, BUT I don't think I'd want that fate for the little guy. I'd at least try and find him a group or safe haven first, and if I couldn't then I'd leave him behind.
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I would take AJ for bait, but I just don't have it in me to carry it around giving away my position everywhere I go.
It's a baby. You don't kill babies. Nuff said.
Well according to these people you do. In fact, according to these people, you take defenseless babies to use as distractions simply for the sole fact that the child is a baby.
I know it's just a game... but how can anyone be that twisted in the head, that sickening to just let a child die like that so they can save their own miserable sorry asses?
I know what you mean. Everyone is different and I wouldn't judge them to harshly for thinking that way. It may seem twisted to us, but to them it's survival. Let them think, and do what they think is right, at least our moral conscience will remain intact afterwards.
Ehkay! How ya been? Didn't see you for a while after the site change.
I'm fine... now. Hows it on here? A lot of new face I mean names on here.
Eh, it's alright. Gets a bit messy with the post threading and I miss some of the old features we had like polls and stuff, but it's alright. Not gonna have much to talk about for a while though.
I honestly don't think anyone would do that, no matter what they say on here. It's easy to come up with a scenario in some situation that will never happen but like you said, only someone really sick in the head would do something like that in real life.
I see, reminds me of the good ol' days. All the others quit the "new" forum I see.
considering the thread, this made me LMMFAO
Well you guys got it half right it is "sick" by today's standards but Jane said it best "some things are helpless in this world". "Babies" are one.
They actually migrated over to a new forum that IWasteMyTime created. For some reason, I can't seem to link it here without needing moderator approval, but you can find it if you just search up "the other twd forum." TKA, Rock114, and a few others also still visit here from time to time.
Are you Carver clone?
What do you do with the helpless?
You reach down to them. You help them up.
If you do anything other than that... what are you? Yeah, some people are helpless at a certain age, but what do you get when you help the ones who can't help themselves? You get dignity, honor, morality, peace of mind.
I have nothing to look forward to in this life... why would I sacrifice someone else's life just to go on for another day, a baby no less! I would look forward to seeing Lee in Heaven when I die, but AJ deserves the chance to survive!
Let me guess it is a forum called Wellington. Black background with red letters.
And what about Reggi.
Indeed. Although, that's just the theme for halloween. We change it every once in a while.
Well that turned from inspirational into defeatist real quick. If Clem doesn't appreciate her life in the apocalypse, what makes you think AJ would his? If seeing your loved ones again in heaven is so much better than trying to survive in real world, why not just let the baby die so it can reunite with its Mommy and Daddy (and maybe Kenny)?
Yeah it looks nice. I see a lot of new names on there too unless its just my mind playing tricks on me again. Though I do see Bio he miss me
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AJ can't choose for himself yet; what gives anyone the right to choose for him?
Well, we kinda let you change your display name whenever you want on there so a lot of the names are now different/halloween themed.
Awwww shucks you shouldn't have...
I never said he wasn't psychotic, but he did it to protect his community.
100% correct, but in a ZA, who cares!
So If he can't choose and no one else can choose for him then you are saying we should leave him.
A weird way of answering your own question.
That's the exact mentality that turns people into monsters.
Reggi was in his community, to protect a community you need to be sure that everyone are ockay with what you do or it fall appart.
And again, I have no quarrels with you placing Clem before the baby (well, slightly, but that not on the argument table). What I do have an intense distaste for is you actively working towards using the baby as a device for self preservation. To leave it is one thing. To use it is another, much more horrifying thing. Anyways, until next time.
AJ is a liability to Clementine. We should have left Wellington with Kenny and leave AJ there. At least he's off my hands now.
AJ being born is the dumbest mistake the survivors ever made. One more liability, as Crawford mentioned.
"Brat" can refer to either ill-mannered or annoying.
AJ is the definition of annoying because he's a baby.
Have I?
I've been listening to too much Cannibal Corpse. (I would post a pic of "Butchered at Birth," but I'd probably get banned).
The baby would be fine IF we had a group. But just Clementine to care for a baby? To constantly be in mortal danger cause it won't shut the hell up? My Clementine may be a "monster," but she'll be alive and not have a fate similar to Sarah... Or Pete, Reggie, Walter, Matthew, Luke, Omid... Lee.
They all died for nothing, my Clementine won't go down like that though.
I respect your opinion, I have no qualms about keeping the little sack of "joy" if Clementine had a fairly big group of people. Unfortunately, by the end of "No Going Back," Clementine is down to two people (or just herself). Clementine's had a good run of being idealistic, now she needs to think about surviving, true surviving. Thinking ahead for the worst case scenario.
What if Clementine's completely overrun and has no other options but to die a horrible death alone or use the baby to ensure she lives another day? I choose the latter. And unfortunately people can't see past AJ dying, what about the image of Clementine and AJ dying? That's an image I don't want, and I refuse to let it occupy my mind.
I, uh, believe you may be mistaking the phrase "thinking of yourself" and "thinking for yourself." Thinking of yourself means that you're selfish; thinking for yourself means that you're not a mindless idiot going along with everyone else.
Also, sorry to pull Godwin's Law here, but I'd say that Hitler did what he did "for his people." That in no way makes him "honorable." Some of the worst crimes ever committed by humanity were done for the sake of ideology and "protecting your people."
No, you fool! This is fairytale land where you can survive two years into a zombie hellscape just by being nice and cordial to others.
Just click your heels three times and say "there's no place like home" and, BOOM! You've survived another whole year!
Jokes aside, I agree. And people seem to assume I'd be easy for me to herd walkers by using a baby as bait. It wouldn't, but I don't have much of a chance if there isn't some form of defense helping me live. Whether it's a weapon or something a little more (for lack of a better word) bleak. A solution is a solution.
It's a solution, yeah, but only one for the problem of dying. For most other people, there's a secondary problem of hating themselves for what they've become.
Surviving in really tough situations often means deciding how much self-loathing you're willing to put up with in order to make it through another day. For a lot of people in here, they draw the line at using a baby as live bait, regardless of whether or not they're emotionally attached to it. To them, committing such an act would mean hating themselves so much that life wouldn't be worth living.
Of course, different people have different thresholds for what they're willing to do to survive and yours seems to be a bit higher than most. But aside from complete psychopaths, I think everybody has some line that they're not willing to cross even if it means staying alive. For instance, what if staying alive means having to personally torture a baby to death? Could you still call it a solution then? I couldn't. And I'd be pretty appalled at anybody who could.