That wouldn't make sense in this case since he wanted the mountain to know why he was killing him and also to hear him confess. It just backfired on him.
You really don't know Ramsay at all. He has no weakness for girls. He's an equal opportunity sadist, with women he just adds a sexual element to his torture.
Why? we know he is a pyscho but from what i've seen from the show and the game, he has a weakness for girls. Besides she will become warden of the North no matter which side wins
It was really good. I feel for Sansa, I hope she doesn't have to marry Ramsay and be a part of the very same family who killed her brother a… morend mother.
I really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter. So touching.
Will be interesting to see Tyrion's story progressing and what happens when he meets Daenarys.
But Jon Snow would have a bigger claim than Gendry, who is the Usurper's bastard, Jon would be the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, he would have a bigger claim than Dany for Christ sake.
Pssh 4 People Who Have A No Bull Shit Claim To The Throne:
* Daenerys (Should Be Queen after her father's death)
* Gendry Baratheon … more(Robert's real son. People claim Jon Snow who is a bastard should be king same applies to Gendry)
* Cersei's kids (Fuck blood Robert acknowledged them as his children)
* Ned Stark
* Any of the Stark kids (Ned was said to be king he's dead now)
Fuck Stannis and his bull shit
With Melisandre's influence over him? I'd rather have Joffery on the throne.
In all seriousness, even though Stannis is the rightful king… more by law, none of the current contenders would make good rulers in my opinion. Tommen doesn't seem to know what he's doing, although I think it was wise to avoid fighting, seeing as it would most likely prompt the crowd to riot.
We've seen that Daenerys is losing support in Mereen after executing that soldier, although the people in Westeros may see things differently. But really, she really hasn't had any problem to deal with. With her dragons out of control and the Sons of the Harpy picking off her army, things are going to fall apart for her.
If you aren't counting The Targaryen Dynasty. Stannis Baratheon IS the rightful ruler of The Seven Kingdoms. Cersei's children aren't Robert's children, it doesn't matter if he though they were or not. And, Gendry is a bastard- therefore having no claim, unless he is somehow legitimized.
Pssh 4 People Who Have A No Bull Shit Claim To The Throne:
* Daenerys (Should Be Queen after her father's death)
* Gendry Baratheon … more(Robert's real son. People claim Jon Snow who is a bastard should be king same applies to Gendry)
* Cersei's kids (Fuck blood Robert acknowledged them as his children)
* Ned Stark
* Any of the Stark kids (Ned was said to be king he's dead now)
Fuck Stannis and his bull shit
Fuck Stannis
If you aren't counting The Targaryen Dynasty. Stannis Baratheon IS the rightful ruler of The Seven Kingdoms. Cersei… more's children aren't Robert's children, it doesn't matter if he though they were or not. And, Gendry is a bastard- therefore having no claim, unless he is somehow legitimized.
Love him, or hate 'em. You cannot deny that.
Also must consider the fact that in Oberyn's eyes, the Mountain already was dead. His spear was dipped with a slow acting poison that was sure to kill the Mountain, even after he crushed Oberyn's skull. Nobody could've predicted the fact that Cersei would randomly stumble across Dr. Frankenstein and miraculously save the Mountain's life.
Sand Snakes...just...ugh. They could have handled that intro way better. Even something as simple as talking about how much they loved their dad over dinner would have been great. Instead, one monologues randomly, saying things the other two already know while they all frown and scrunch up their noses. Just...no. They're all mini-Oberyns. Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
The Mannis disapproves at the way Dorne is being handled.
Shireen is so cute and just adorable. Glad the Mannis got that time with her.
Barristan's death scene. Blah. Didn't like it, but at least he went down swinging.
Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
I don't understand why is everyone having such a problem with that? I mean she even hardly is a character in the books. Would it help if they had changed her name? She is a different character in the show, get over it.
And the intro of Sand Snakes wasn't the best one as an introduction, but I feel like people are just jumping into bandwagon with bashing them (and their actresses) as characters because you can't judge them after that one small scene.
Sand Snakes...just...ugh. They could have handled that intro way better. Even something as simple as talking about how much they loved their… more dad over dinner would have been great. Instead, one monologues randomly, saying things the other two already know while they all frown and scrunch up their noses. Just...no. They're all mini-Oberyns. Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
The Mannis disapproves at the way Dorne is being handled.
Shireen is so cute and just adorable. Glad the Mannis got that time with her.
Barristan's death scene. Blah. Didn't like it, but at least he went down swinging.
If R+L=J is true, or even for that matter if Aegon Targaryen is still alive, Dany doesn't have the strongest claim
Gendry is a bastard, he has to be legitimized for it to mean anything. Same thing even applies to Jon
No, they shouldn't. Robert acknowledging them as his children means shit because he didn't know they weren't his. If he knew, he would have had them all executed.
Ned Stark and his children only have a claim to the rule the North, not the Iron Throne (unless you wanna count King by Conquest).
Pssh 4 People Who Have A No Bull Shit Claim To The Throne:
* Daenerys (Should Be Queen after her father's death)
* Gendry Baratheon … more(Robert's real son. People claim Jon Snow who is a bastard should be king same applies to Gendry)
* Cersei's kids (Fuck blood Robert acknowledged them as his children)
* Ned Stark
* Any of the Stark kids (Ned was said to be king he's dead now)
Fuck Stannis and his bull shit
Sure, but I can judge them based on what I've seen so far. That's all they've given us so that's all I can use to judge them.
Ellaria gave one of the best speeches about how futile seeking revenge is in the books:
"Oberyn wanted vengeance for Elia. Now the three of you want vengeance for him. I have four daughters, I remind you. Your sisters. My Elia is fourteen, almost a woman. Obella is twelve, on the brink of maidenhood. They worship you, as Dorea and Loreza worship them. If you should die, must El and Obella seek vengeance for you, then Dorea and Loree for them? Is that how it goes, round and round forever? I ask again, where does it end? I saw your father die. Here is his killer. Can I take a skull to bed with me, to give me comfort in the night? Will it make me laugh, write me songs, care for me when I am old and sick?"
Then Ellaria in the show wants to cut Myrcella to little pieces and send her to Cersei. Reallly? Showrunners should have kept Arianne Martell in and cut out one of the Sand Snakes.
Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
I don't understand why is everyone… more having such a problem with that? I mean she even hardly is a character in the books. Would it help if they had changed her name? She is a different character in the show, get over it.
And the intro of Sand Snakes wasn't the best one as an introduction, but I feel like people are just jumping into bandwagon with bashing them (and their actresses) as characters because you can't judge them after that one small scene.
I'll tell you why it bothers me. Ellaria is a sort of character who's the voice of reason in the story, similar to septon Meribald who's one of the best minor characters in the story. As I see it they are both the the author's real opinion on the situation in Westeros, how violence leads to more violence. In all Dorne scenes we just learn that Bronn's racist opinions of Dornishmen are true, all they want to do is fuck and fight. That scene was absolutely terrible, also why did she kill that dude anyway? he gave her useful info
And that's why I'm also bothered by Jaime not going to Riverlands - same deal. We see through his and Brienne's eyes the fallout of the war, the destruction and the dead, we learn WHY the sparrows are all marching to King's Landing and we can hear many haunting tales from men going to the capital to serve the HS. And now I'm going off topic but I'm so disappointed by the way they handle the Sparrows, it's such a modern look on religious fanatics it's terrible. They're like a weird cult who carve their symbol on their forehead and go and kill whores and gays, yeah homosexually is the religioun worst enemy...what a surpise
Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
I don't understand why is everyone… more having such a problem with that? I mean she even hardly is a character in the books. Would it help if they had changed her name? She is a different character in the show, get over it.
And the intro of Sand Snakes wasn't the best one as an introduction, but I feel like people are just jumping into bandwagon with bashing them (and their actresses) as characters because you can't judge them after that one small scene.
The significance is that she's Oberyn's paramour and she saw him die right in front of her yet she recognizes how futile it all is. That's what makes it so heavy that she's the one that wants to end the war, yet she has as much of a reason as anyone to want to seek revenge. It's so much more compelling than what we've seen in the show. And giving it to anyone else would just seem weird, although I suppose Doran could just as well say it.
It's not because show Ellaria is different, show Ellaria is just a rubbish character! She witnessed Oberyns stupidity firsthand and everyone responsible for the sack of Kings Landing is dead. There was something tragic about her coming to terms with that in the books. I agree people need to give the sand snakes a chance, that scene was staged really awkwardly and it didn't make sense that they'd kill a guy for giving some solid information! Certainly wasnt the actresses faults, i look forward to more from them
Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
I don't understand why is everyone… more having such a problem with that? I mean she even hardly is a character in the books. Would it help if they had changed her name? She is a different character in the show, get over it.
And the intro of Sand Snakes wasn't the best one as an introduction, but I feel like people are just jumping into bandwagon with bashing them (and their actresses) as characters because you can't judge them after that one small scene.
I don't understand Littlefinger's plan with Sansa. I mean ... he practically told her to hold out in Winterfell until Stannis' army storms the castle and possibly makes her Warden of the North. Why exactly does she have to marry Ramsay then? Why can't she just stare down at Winterfell from a hill, watch the Boltons burn and then team up with Stannis? Or even better - go to the Wall or the Eyrie and just await how things turn out. She is not only exposed to Ramsay's sick ideas of fun, she could also fall victim to Stannis' justice and be punished for being a complice of the Boltons.
-> this plan is not to Sansa's advantage. So LF must expect some kind of benefit from not awaiting the confrontation between Stannis and Roose. But I can't see which.
you can't judge them after that one small scene.
Sure, but I can judge them based on what I've seen so far. That's all they've given… more us so that's all I can use to judge them.
Ellaria gave one of the best speeches about how futile seeking revenge is in the books:
"Oberyn wanted vengeance for Elia. Now the three of you want vengeance for him. I have four daughters, I remind you. Your sisters. My Elia is fourteen, almost a woman. Obella is twelve, on the brink of maidenhood. They worship you, as Dorea and Loreza worship them. If you should die, must El and Obella seek vengeance for you, then Dorea and Loree for them? Is that how it goes, round and round forever? I ask again, where does it end? I saw your father die. Here is his killer. Can I take a skull to bed with me, to give me comfort in the night? Will it make me laugh, write me songs, care for me when I am old and sick?"
Then Ellaria in the show wants to cut Myrcel… [view original content]
As you said it's GRRM bringing his voice in so you could put that kind of speech to any minor character anywhere and it would have the same effect to readers (or watchers) so why is it so important to Ellaria have it? And we already have at least one character from Dorne who certainly isn't fight-fuck-machine (Doran) and I doubt that's what all the Sand Snakes are either.
Jaime in the Riverlands in books is... Well those chapters are okay, but not the strongest in the books and certainly not strong material for TV. And it would be one separate storyline more and people already whine how we get 30 secs per character in episode and "Why isn't Arya in this episode". AND it also takes Jaime to interact with bunch of minor characters - in other words "Who's that guy?".
I'll tell you why it bothers me. Ellaria is a sort of character who's the voice of reason in the story, similar to septon Meribald who's one… more of the best minor characters in the story. As I see it they are both the the author's real opinion on the situation in Westeros, how violence leads to more violence. In all Dorne scenes we just learn that Bronn's racist opinions of Dornishmen are true, all they want to do is fuck and fight. That scene was absolutely terrible, also why did she kill that dude anyway? he gave her useful info
And that's why I'm also bothered by Jaime not going to Riverlands - same deal. We see through his and Brienne's eyes the fallout of the war, the destruction and the dead, we learn WHY the sparrows are all marching to King's Landing and we can hear many haunting tales from men going to the capital to serve the HS. And now I'm going off topic but I'm so disappointed by the way they handle the Sparrows, it's such a mod… [view original content]
I have to agree, another warmonger additional to all those we already have isn't particularly interesting I think. Seeking justice and revenge, Ellaria? Just join the end of the terribly long queue and shut up.
The significance is that she's Oberyn's paramour and she saw him die right in front of her yet she recognizes how futile it all is. That's w… morehat makes it so heavy that she's the one that wants to end the war, yet she has as much of a reason as anyone to want to seek revenge. It's so much more compelling than what we've seen in the show. And giving it to anyone else would just seem weird, although I suppose Doran could just as well say it.
* If R+L=J is true, or even for that matter if Aegon Targaryen is still alive, Dany doesn't have the strongest claim
* Gendry is a bastard,… more he has to be legitimized for it to mean anything. Same thing even applies to Jon
* No, they shouldn't. Robert acknowledging them as his children means shit because he didn't know they weren't his. If he knew, he would have had them all executed.
* Ned Stark and his children only have a claim to the rule the North, not the Iron Throne (unless you wanna count King by Conquest).
Because (just assuming here) Littlefinger knows that stannis needs as much support as he can get and what will stir the north to help stannis? A stark girl in peril, its what gets them going in the books albeit for fArya
I don't understand Littlefinger's plan with Sansa. I mean ... he practically told her to hold out in Winterfell until Stannis' army storms t… morehe castle and possibly makes her Warden of the North. Why exactly does she have to marry Ramsay then? Why can't she just stare down at Winterfell from a hill, watch the Boltons burn and then team up with Stannis? Or even better - go to the Wall or the Eyrie and just await how things turn out. She is not only exposed to Ramsay's sick ideas of fun, she could also fall victim to Stannis' justice and be punished for being a complice of the Boltons.
-> this plan is not to Sansa's advantage. So LF must expect some kind of benefit from not awaiting the confrontation between Stannis and Roose. But I can't see which.
* If R+L=J is true, or even for that matter if Aegon Targaryen is still alive, Dany doesn't have the strongest claim
* Gendry is a bastard,… more he has to be legitimized for it to mean anything. Same thing even applies to Jon
* No, they shouldn't. Robert acknowledging them as his children means shit because he didn't know they weren't his. If he knew, he would have had them all executed.
* Ned Stark and his children only have a claim to the rule the North, not the Iron Throne (unless you wanna count King by Conquest).
Not necessarily, part of the theory is that Rhaegar and Lyanna actually loved each other and got married after he "kidnapped" her, which means Jon is a legitimate Targ
It was really good. I feel for Sansa, I hope she doesn't have to marry Ramsay and be a part of the very same family who killed her brother a… morend mother.
I really liked the scene with Stannis and his daughter. So touching.
Will be interesting to see Tyrion's story progressing and what happens when he meets Daenarys.
Ned doesn't have a claim to the Throne, nor was he ever said to be/appointed to be king. Although I think it'd be awesome if he was, but he wasn't. Robert Baratheon named him Protector of the Realm/regent, meaning he has the right to choose who the next king will be, which he wanted to be his son because he was, as far as Robert knew, the rightful "heir." Because Ned knew Joffrey wasn't actually Roberts son, however, and knew that if Robert knew this he wouldn't dream of letting them take the throne in his place, Ned decided to do the lawful thing and appoint Roberts next of kin, which was his younger brother Stannis.
So to say "fuck Stannis and his bull shit" is basically like saying fuck King Rob, fuck Ned Stark, etc. Ned Stark was planning to use his title as Protector of the Realm to appoint Stannis, and for good reason. It was the LAWFUL thing to do.
Pssh 4 People Who Have A No Bull Shit Claim To The Throne:
* Daenerys (Should Be Queen after her father's death)
* Gendry Baratheon … more(Robert's real son. People claim Jon Snow who is a bastard should be king same applies to Gendry)
* Cersei's kids (Fuck blood Robert acknowledged them as his children)
* Ned Stark
* Any of the Stark kids (Ned was said to be king he's dead now)
Fuck Stannis and his bull shit
Pssh 4 People Who Have A No Bull Shit Claim To The Throne:
* Daenerys (Should Be Queen after her father's death)
* Gendry Baratheon … more(Robert's real son. People claim Jon Snow who is a bastard should be king same applies to Gendry)
* Cersei's kids (Fuck blood Robert acknowledged them as his children)
* Ned Stark
* Any of the Stark kids (Ned was said to be king he's dead now)
Fuck Stannis and his bull shit
Not necessarily, part of the theory is that Rhaegar and Lyanna actually loved each other and got married after he "kidnapped" her, which means Jon is a legitimate Targ
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That wouldn't make sense in this case since he wanted the mountain to know why he was killing him and also to hear him confess. It just backfired on him.
You really don't know Ramsay at all. He has no weakness for girls. He's an equal opportunity sadist, with women he just adds a sexual element to his torture.
She already did that when she married Tyrion.
This is a list of people who are most entitled to it
The Greyscale spreads to anything it touches, the doll touched her cheek and spread to it.
But Jon Snow would have a bigger claim than Gendry, who is the Usurper's bastard, Jon would be the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, he would have a bigger claim than Dany for Christ sake.
At first I was convinced Stannis was using Melisandre as a means to an end, but now? I have no idea.
If you aren't counting The Targaryen Dynasty. Stannis Baratheon IS the rightful ruler of The Seven Kingdoms. Cersei's children aren't Robert's children, it doesn't matter if he though they were or not. And, Gendry is a bastard- therefore having no claim, unless he is somehow legitimized.
Love him, or hate 'em. You cannot deny that.
Thanks. So was it an assassination attempt or simply a mistake?
Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!
Fuck Mhysa, Go Papa!
"You were the Princess Shireen of House Baratheon. And you are my daughter..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap4nvdEotqw
Also must consider the fact that in Oberyn's eyes, the Mountain already was dead. His spear was dipped with a slow acting poison that was sure to kill the Mountain, even after he crushed Oberyn's skull. Nobody could've predicted the fact that Cersei would randomly stumble across Dr. Frankenstein and miraculously save the Mountain's life.
Sand Snakes...just...ugh. They could have handled that intro way better. Even something as simple as talking about how much they loved their dad over dinner would have been great. Instead, one monologues randomly, saying things the other two already know while they all frown and scrunch up their noses. Just...no. They're all mini-Oberyns. Ellaria's character bugs me because in the books, she's the very one advocating NOT to go to war.
The Mannis disapproves at the way Dorne is being handled.
Shireen is so cute and just adorable. Glad the Mannis got that time with her.
Barristan's death scene. Blah. Didn't like it, but at least he went down swinging.
I don't understand why is everyone having such a problem with that? I mean she even hardly is a character in the books. Would it help if they had changed her name? She is a different character in the show, get over it.
And the intro of Sand Snakes wasn't the best one as an introduction, but I feel like people are just jumping into bandwagon with bashing them (and their actresses) as characters because you can't judge them after that one small scene.
Sure, but I can judge them based on what I've seen so far. That's all they've given us so that's all I can use to judge them.
Ellaria gave one of the best speeches about how futile seeking revenge is in the books:
Then Ellaria in the show wants to cut Myrcella to little pieces and send her to Cersei. Reallly? Showrunners should have kept Arianne Martell in and cut out one of the Sand Snakes.
I'll tell you why it bothers me. Ellaria is a sort of character who's the voice of reason in the story, similar to septon Meribald who's one of the best minor characters in the story. As I see it they are both the the author's real opinion on the situation in Westeros, how violence leads to more violence. In all Dorne scenes we just learn that Bronn's racist opinions of Dornishmen are true, all they want to do is fuck and fight. That scene was absolutely terrible, also why did she kill that dude anyway? he gave her useful info
And that's why I'm also bothered by Jaime not going to Riverlands - same deal. We see through his and Brienne's eyes the fallout of the war, the destruction and the dead, we learn WHY the sparrows are all marching to King's Landing and we can hear many haunting tales from men going to the capital to serve the HS. And now I'm going off topic but I'm so disappointed by the way they handle the Sparrows, it's such a modern look on religious fanatics it's terrible. They're like a weird cult who carve their symbol on their forehead and go and kill whores and gays, yeah homosexually is the religioun worst enemy...what a surpise
The significance is that she's Oberyn's paramour and she saw him die right in front of her yet she recognizes how futile it all is. That's what makes it so heavy that she's the one that wants to end the war, yet she has as much of a reason as anyone to want to seek revenge. It's so much more compelling than what we've seen in the show. And giving it to anyone else would just seem weird, although I suppose Doran could just as well say it.
It's not because show Ellaria is different, show Ellaria is just a rubbish character! She witnessed Oberyns stupidity firsthand and everyone responsible for the sack of Kings Landing is dead. There was something tragic about her coming to terms with that in the books. I agree people need to give the sand snakes a chance, that scene was staged really awkwardly and it didn't make sense that they'd kill a guy for giving some solid information! Certainly wasnt the actresses faults, i look forward to more from them
I don't understand Littlefinger's plan with Sansa. I mean ... he practically told her to hold out in Winterfell until Stannis' army storms the castle and possibly makes her Warden of the North. Why exactly does she have to marry Ramsay then? Why can't she just stare down at Winterfell from a hill, watch the Boltons burn and then team up with Stannis? Or even better - go to the Wall or the Eyrie and just await how things turn out. She is not only exposed to Ramsay's sick ideas of fun, she could also fall victim to Stannis' justice and be punished for being a complice of the Boltons.
-> this plan is not to Sansa's advantage. So LF must expect some kind of benefit from not awaiting the confrontation between Stannis and Roose. But I can't see which.
I know the damn speech. Yeah, nice to have that perspective and all, but it's not that important.
They couldn't call it Sunspear in the credits, since they only showed the Water Gardens and few random locations.
As you said it's GRRM bringing his voice in so you could put that kind of speech to any minor character anywhere and it would have the same effect to readers (or watchers) so why is it so important to Ellaria have it? And we already have at least one character from Dorne who certainly isn't fight-fuck-machine (Doran) and I doubt that's what all the Sand Snakes are either.
Jaime in the Riverlands in books is... Well those chapters are okay, but not the strongest in the books and certainly not strong material for TV. And it would be one separate storyline more and people already whine how we get 30 secs per character in episode and "Why isn't Arya in this episode". AND it also takes Jaime to interact with bunch of minor characters - in other words "Who's that guy?".
I have to agree, another warmonger additional to all those we already have isn't particularly interesting I think. Seeking justice and revenge, Ellaria? Just join the end of the terribly long queue and shut up.
Well, if R+L were married (Aegon I had two wives, Maegor I six) Jon is true heir to the trone.
Oh yeah, for sure. If that whole theory is true, Jon has the strongest claim and is the rightful heir to Iron Throne
Because (just assuming here) Littlefinger knows that stannis needs as much support as he can get and what will stir the north to help stannis? A stark girl in peril, its what gets them going in the books albeit for fArya
Hell, I don't like Stannis but I thought that was the best part of the episode.
Simply a mistake, Stannis gave her the doll and unknowingly spread the disease.
Shireen was born with Greyscale, which spread to the doll when it touched her.
I enjoyed it that much, the last scene was soooo awesome!
Coma perhaps? Please don't die Ser Barristan
Even if the theory is true wouldn't Jon still be a bastard? Meaning he has no claim.
Not necessarily, part of the theory is that Rhaegar and Lyanna actually loved each other and got married after he "kidnapped" her, which means Jon is a legitimate Targ
From the teaser, it seems that she consumates her vows to Ramsay.
It's Myranda in that teaser that Ramsay is having fun with.
Ned doesn't have a claim to the Throne, nor was he ever said to be/appointed to be king. Although I think it'd be awesome if he was, but he wasn't. Robert Baratheon named him Protector of the Realm/regent, meaning he has the right to choose who the next king will be, which he wanted to be his son because he was, as far as Robert knew, the rightful "heir." Because Ned knew Joffrey wasn't actually Roberts son, however, and knew that if Robert knew this he wouldn't dream of letting them take the throne in his place, Ned decided to do the lawful thing and appoint Roberts next of kin, which was his younger brother Stannis.
So to say "fuck Stannis and his bull shit" is basically like saying fuck King Rob, fuck Ned Stark, etc. Ned Stark was planning to use his title as Protector of the Realm to appoint Stannis, and for good reason. It was the LAWFUL thing to do.
Shit sorry for the double post.
Oh snap! You're right! I really wish that **!@#$%^&;%$#@ dies.
How doe's that work if Rhaegar was already married to Eliia Martell?
Targaryens can have multiple wives as @jarmoksk pointed out.