So, basically Luke is the little angel on Clem's one shoulder, and Kenny's the little devil on her other shoulder? Or to be less joking on it, good cop, bad cop.
It's interesting this has been brought up though. I never noticed it before with them. o.o
That's a really interesting point! I like the idea of Kenny representing (for lack of better terms) Clem's dark side and Luke representing her light side.
That's ironic, the same can be said to Carver- Walter was defenceless, so was Reggie. What Kenny did was vengeance, he killed Carver because he -had- to, he would have never left them alone.
That's ironic, the same can be said to Carver- Walter was defenceless, so was Reggie. What Kenny did was vengeance, he killed Carver because he -had- to, he would have never left them alone.
Hardly, Kenny doesn't go around hitting children. Kenny has anger issues yeah, but he's not a murderer. Kenny isn't that much like Carver, as I highly doubt he'd kill someone just for not doing "their" job.
Because Luke still holds on to his humanity instead of giving in to bloodlust. Killing people changes you, and the more you kill the more accustomed you are to it until you get to the point where every answer to a question involves killing.
It's like what people have said, Luke has morals and just doesn't want to sink to Carver's level by killing living people and probably wouldn't unless he really, really had to. He wanted to avoid confronting Matthew, and tried keeping the peace between the cabin and the ski lodge group as well when they were pointing guns at each other.
But in that instance at leaving Carver rather than killing him I couldn't agree with Luke, just because Carver is a bad person and would just keep doing horrible things and killing people. And for me, if I was in that situation, I couldn't walk away knowing this dude was still out there, maybe stll hunting me or bringing suffering on others. Yet at the same time, I can't agree with how extreme Kenny went to to silence Carver for good, even though it was done out of revenge. I would've just shot him in the head and have been done with it. Then again I wasn't the one that got my eye smashed o_o ew...
With Luke though, it could be he's just got too much good in him that wouldn't even think of killing people for the most part. It's that, or something went on in the past that caused him to think that way in the first place. So from the looks of it, Clementine would be a lot stronger in making moral choices and hopefully the rights ones...unless she goes total evil Clem in which case I'm scared T_T
Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or.... no?
I understand, alot of people like Kenny. But you can't deny he is becoming a problem, even Sarita looked at him with some disgust on that whole "revenge" thing. A bullet in the head is revenge, not maliciously capping a man's face in with a crowbar while a pregnant woman and possibly an eleven year old girl watch. He's just not there anymore.
Hardly, Kenny doesn't go around hitting children. Kenny has anger issues yeah, but he's not a murderer. Kenny isn't that much like Carver, as I highly doubt he'd kill someone just for not doing "their" job.
I don't get why you even mention Rebecca. She's pregnant not some mentally frail damsel. She'd probably be capping and bashing in people's heads herself if not for her condition.
The Kenny and Carver comparison is sketchy mainly because you're ignoring circumstances and intent. I will admit Kenny runs the danger of becoming the monster he hates though.
Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or… more.... no?
I understand, alot of people like Kenny. But you can't deny he is becoming a problem, even Sarita looked at him with some disgust on that whole "revenge" thing. A bullet in the head is revenge, not maliciously capping a man's face in with a crowbar while a pregnant woman and possibly an eleven year old girl watch. He's just not there anymore.
Seeing the death of Carver was a turning point of Clem. It was pretty satisfying for (my) Clem to see Carver's face changing and changing until it was a bloody mess...
While I get the light and dark motifs it doesn't seem that simple. In this case, both have qualities that could be both a boon or a curse. Kenny can kill when need be (especially where loved ones are concerned) but runs the danger of going too far and can be very rash. Luke is more readily able to empathize and show compassion for others and has a better head for thinking up plans but doesn't always put enough forethought into his ideas; to say nothing of his willingness to avoid killing an obvious human threat. In that way there's a balance between them which is why I wish they'd both hang around for Clem's sake (along with one or two ladies, you hear me Telltale!).
So, basically Luke is the little angel on Clem's one shoulder, and Kenny's the little devil on her other shoulder? Or to be less joking on i… moret, good cop, bad cop.
It's interesting this has been brought up though. I never noticed it before with them. o.o
Putting stress on a pregnant woman isn't a good idea, not just for her but the baby as well. I know it was mostly a morally ambiguous act, but that doesn't subtract the fact that Kenny went way overboard like always. I would really like to just get away from him honestly.
I don't get why you even mention Rebecca. She's pregnant not some mentally frail damsel. She'd probably be capping and bashing in people's h… moreeads herself if not for her condition.
The Kenny and Carver comparison is sketchy mainly because you're ignoring circumstances and intent. I will admit Kenny runs the danger of becoming the monster he hates though.
Yeah you're totally right. They both have good and bad trades that would help and put them both at a disadvantage. Luke's so against killing he even got upset if Clementine says she killed the dog before, while Kenny wouldn't think twice on killing if the lives of friends were on the line, just like when he thought Larry would turn into a walker while they trapped in the previous season.
While I get the light and dark motifs it doesn't seem that simple. In this case, both have qualities that could be both a boon or a curse. K… moreenny can kill when need be (especially where loved ones are concerned) but runs the danger of going too far and can be very rash. Luke is more readily able to empathize and show compassion for others and has a better head for thinking up plans but doesn't always put enough forethought into his ideas; to say nothing of his willingness to avoid killing an obvious human threat. In that way there's a balance between them which is why I wish they'd both hang around for Clem's sake (along with one or two ladies, you hear me Telltale!).
But it's clear that Rebecca wasn't stressed at all. In fact she's the last to leave the scene and even bends down to pick up a gun off the man's corpse. I think she needed to see and know that there was no way this man could ever come after her again. Not to mention him getting an appropriate death for what was the torture of her husband and to that effect it was probably cathartic. No stress from her means the baby isn't likely to be impacted either outside of any actual physical problems.
As to Kenny, I actually find it easier to not hold this incident against him than what happened in the meat locker. One could even argue that his injuries are partly to blame though I don't think that's the case. On the heel of waking up from those kind of injuries and having the chance for revenge, many people would've jumped at the opportunity. Not so much once they had the time to heal and think on it I imagine.
Putting stress on a pregnant woman isn't a good idea, not just for her but the baby as well. I know it was mostly a morally ambiguous act, b… moreut that doesn't subtract the fact that Kenny went way overboard like always. I would really like to just get away from him honestly.
"Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or.... no?"
I'm sorry but that was fucking hilarious. He had a damn heart attack, there was no saving him.
Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or… more.... no?
I understand, alot of people like Kenny. But you can't deny he is becoming a problem, even Sarita looked at him with some disgust on that whole "revenge" thing. A bullet in the head is revenge, not maliciously capping a man's face in with a crowbar while a pregnant woman and possibly an eleven year old girl watch. He's just not there anymore.
Kenny wants to leave those people for his own selfish needs. Luke originally wanted everyone who's in bad shape to heal up and get some rest. He also suggested that they escape another night, but almost everybody complains at him and disagrees so he suggests that if they were to break out tonight then they would have to leave some people behind (so those people doesn't risk their life and everyone else's lives) and everyone gets pissed at him! Luke just can't win.
Luke is just then kill people, if thats necessary. He wanna escaped hurry, and didn't waste the time, while the fucking big horde of walker is coming to the camp.
Yes, we must killed that son of a bitch Carver, but Luke reactions not was so pussy.
That's a ludacris argument. There absolutely was, and even if there wasn't. Did he still CRUSH A MAN'S HEAD WITH A 50LB SALT LICK while the daughter and an eight year old girl helplessly watched or was that just my game? Get over yourself, stop sticking up for a person who throughout season 1 showed nothing but contempt for Lee if you didn't help him kill someone who wasn't even dead.
And it gets better, when his son was bitten, he didn't give a shit. I don't like hypocrisy, and I can say that it was one of the most selfish things I have EVER seen in an act of fiction.
"Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or.... no?"
I'm sorry but that was fucking hilarious. He had a damn heart attack, there was no saving him.
I agree with the rest but remember luke only suggested leaving people behind when they started repeatedly insisting to leave at that instance heck luke had even suggested staying behind and resting up
You know what? Now that I think about it, Luke is the anti-Carver. Luke believes killing anything but lurkers is wrong while Carver is willi… moreng to kill anybody when he thinks it's right. Luke was willing to leave people behind to escape while Carver hunts people that stray away from his flock. Carver is trying to corrupt Clem while Luke is trying to make Clem be more moral. There's more examples to this.
But it's clear that Rebecca wasn't stressed at all. In fact she's the last to leave the scene and even bends down to pick up a gun off the m… morean's corpse. I think she needed to see and know that there was no way this man could ever come after her again. Not to mention him getting an appropriate death for what was the torture of her husband and to that effect it was probably cathartic. No stress from her means the baby isn't likely to be impacted either outside of any actual physical problems.
As to Kenny, I actually find it easier to not hold this incident against him than what happened in the meat locker. One could even argue that his injuries are partly to blame though I don't think that's the case. On the heel of waking up from those kind of injuries and having the chance for revenge, many people would've jumped at the opportunity. Not so much once they had the time to heal and think on it I imagine.
The only one i liked to kill Carver is Rick Grimes or Michonne cause they had already the Governor in the Tv Series who had exactly this keen of personality and i would enjoy it!! I don't feel mercy for this kind of people they're the reason why some people have to suffer all kinds of inhumanity behaviour and unthikably tortures that makes u sick without watching them!!
Luke is the type of person who clearly has morale's when it comes to certain choices, and he wants the best for everyone - even the people who intentionally cause pain.
I think I would rather have Clem's hands clean... I don't think she should go around murdering/torchering people unless its someone like the stranger where she has to
I think Luke has the balls to kill, but he tries to think things out logically, and with the horde of walkers approaching, it was best to leave as quick as possible, Kenny on the other hand is ruled by his emotions and is willing to put the whole group at risk by taking the time to beat a man's skull in.
I don't think Luke had the balls or was just trying to be a better man than Carver and not stoop to his level. I was glad when Kenny mashed … moreup his face with that crowbar though and I took pleasure in watching that evil bastard bite the dust.
Kenny has no eye, Carver has no face.
Whether Alvin dies via a quick gunshot to the head or after being beaten to within an inch of his life, I doubt it makes a difference in how Rebecca feels at the end, short of making her more vengeful. Actually, if there is a scene variation where she doesn't watch I'd be interested to know.
Actually, Clem only watches Larry's head get crushed if Lee sides with Lilly. If Lee sides with Kenny, Clem turns her back, crying "I don't want to see this.." and runs off to the corner with her back turned the whole time. Either way it's a horrible thing for a child to have to endure.
That's a ludacris argument. There absolutely was, and even if there wasn't. Did he still CRUSH A MAN'S HEAD WITH A 50LB SALT LICK while the … moredaughter and an eight year old girl helplessly watched or was that just my game? Get over yourself, stop sticking up for a person who throughout season 1 showed nothing but contempt for Lee if you didn't help him kill someone who wasn't even dead.
And it gets better, when his son was bitten, he didn't give a shit. I don't like hypocrisy, and I can say that it was one of the most selfish things I have EVER seen in an act of fiction.
Whether Alvin dies via a quick gunshot to the head or after being beaten to within an inch of his life, I doubt it makes a difference in how… more Rebecca feels at the end, short of making her more vengeful. Actually, if there is a scene variation where she doesn't watch I'd be interested to know.
Actually, Clem only watches Larry's head get crushed if Lee sides with Lilly. If Lee sides with Kenny, Clem turns her back, crying "I don'… moret want to see this.." and runs off to the corner with her back turned the whole time. Either way it's a horrible thing for a child to have to endure.
"Killing is bad no matter what." -Lee Everett. Carver could of killed them all, but he didn't. He gave them a chance, at least. He killed Walter because Kenny shot one of his men. He probably should of died, because he was cruel and evil, but just the way they took pleasure in watching him get brutally murdered was sort of sick in my opinion. I wanted to choose to just walk away and leave him there, he had two bullets in his legs and had a herd surrounding him, bashing his head in was purely just for satisfaction, it wasn't justice. Leaving him would of been the strong thing to do, to show you are better than him. Sort of like what my Lee did with the St. Johns. If they really wanted to kill him to make sure he wouldn't come for you, just shoot him in the head and walk away. In was purely for vengeance to sit there and bash his brains, and for people to watch as he does it.
Sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical question. Carver beats Alvin to a pulp then he's just unconscious up until the group's final escape plan where he stays behind to take out a guard (he's in no shape to go with the others) and is killed.
If a guy took my eye out the way Carver did, i'd be pretty pissed off as well. I couldn't bash his head in, though. I'd shoot him in the knees (like Kenny) then punch him a few times. Then, pick him up, and throw him to the walkers.
I can't see Luke killing someone like that. I don't think he has it in him.
Luke didn't want to kill him because he's suppose to represent the stable and civilized side of Clem. In contrast, Kenny represents how the … morecurrent world has affected her. TWD has always been a balance of civility and whether if civility can still exist in the world they live in. Look at the bigger picture. Besides, there's also the subplot that concerns Kenny's mental stability. You can't have the other major character act the same way.
But Luke was the one saying the plan is ruined and that they shouldn't go that night, completely missing the best opportunity they had. If it wasn't for Kenny getting up from his injuries, surprising everyone, it's debatable if they would have gone at all.
I think Luke has the balls to kill, but he tries to think things out logically, and with the horde of walkers approaching, it was best to le… moreave as quick as possible, Kenny on the other hand is ruled by his emotions and is willing to put the whole group at risk by taking the time to beat a man's skull in.
That's a really interesting point! I like the idea of Kenny representing (for lack of better terms) Clem's dark side and Luke representing her light side.
I agree that they needed to leave as soon as possible, but once the outside speakers were turned on their first priority should have been to escape as quickly as possible.
But Luke was the one saying the plan is ruined and that they shouldn't go that night, completely missing the best opportunity they had. If i… moret wasn't for Kenny getting up from his injuries, surprising everyone, it's debatable if they would have gone at all.
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It's interesting this has been brought up though. I never noticed it before with them. o.o
But in that instance at leaving Carver rather than killing him I couldn't agree with Luke, just because Carver is a bad person and would just keep doing horrible things and killing people. And for me, if I was in that situation, I couldn't walk away knowing this dude was still out there, maybe stll hunting me or bringing suffering on others. Yet at the same time, I can't agree with how extreme Kenny went to to silence Carver for good, even though it was done out of revenge. I would've just shot him in the head and have been done with it. Then again I wasn't the one that got my eye smashed o_o ew...
With Luke though, it could be he's just got too much good in him that wouldn't even think of killing people for the most part. It's that, or something went on in the past that caused him to think that way in the first place. So from the looks of it, Clementine would be a lot stronger in making moral choices and hopefully the rights ones...unless she goes total evil Clem in which case I'm scared T_T
I understand, alot of people like Kenny. But you can't deny he is becoming a problem, even Sarita looked at him with some disgust on that whole "revenge" thing. A bullet in the head is revenge, not maliciously capping a man's face in with a crowbar while a pregnant woman and possibly an eleven year old girl watch. He's just not there anymore.
The Kenny and Carver comparison is sketchy mainly because you're ignoring circumstances and intent. I will admit Kenny runs the danger of becoming the monster he hates though.
Damn, where's Lee when you need him? T.T
As to Kenny, I actually find it easier to not hold this incident against him than what happened in the meat locker. One could even argue that his injuries are partly to blame though I don't think that's the case. On the heel of waking up from those kind of injuries and having the chance for revenge, many people would've jumped at the opportunity. Not so much once they had the time to heal and think on it I imagine.
I'm sorry but that was fucking hilarious. He had a damn heart attack, there was no saving him.
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6.Christa
7.Chuck
Kenny wants to leave those people for his own selfish needs. Luke originally wanted everyone who's in bad shape to heal up and get some rest. He also suggested that they escape another night, but almost everybody complains at him and disagrees so he suggests that if they were to break out tonight then they would have to leave some people behind (so those people doesn't risk their life and everyone else's lives) and everyone gets pissed at him! Luke just can't win.
Luke is just then kill people, if thats necessary. He wanna escaped hurry, and didn't waste the time, while the fucking big horde of walker is coming to the camp.
Yes, we must killed that son of a bitch Carver, but Luke reactions not was so pussy.
And it gets better, when his son was bitten, he didn't give a shit. I don't like hypocrisy, and I can say that it was one of the most selfish things I have EVER seen in an act of fiction.
LOL
I can't see Luke killing someone like that. I don't think he has it in him.