He was pissed that Clem killed a dog back in EP1, remember?
"You don't kill dawgs, man :("
It's no surprise that he's super against taking people's lives , as well.
I think that'll turn out to be his biggest weakness. He's unable to kill people. A bit TOO good-natured, you know?
What Sarita said about Walter and Matthew in the lodge, can be used on Luke. "Honestly, it's dangerous to be this kind nowadays. But they just can't help it."
Sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical question. Carver beats Alvin to a pulp then he's just unconscious up until the group's final escape plan where he stays behind to take out a guard (he's in no shape to go with the others) and is killed.
I agree that they needed to leave as soon as possible, but once the outside speakers were turned on their first priority should have been to escape as quickly as possible.
It's probably less morality (IMO it's hardly immoral to kill someone who murders as he pleases, tortures people to get his way and abuses children, especially in a morally greyer situation like a zombie apocalypse) and more the fact that Luke's personality has him less inclined to kill a living being. Maybe he's scared, maybe he dislikes pointless violence; I think I'd find it hard to kill a person, too, even in self-defense or if I felt like I can't rest until they're dead.
Luke doesn't want to be like Carver. That's why if you stayand watch Carver is almost vvictorious about it. When we were in his office he was talking about killing people who are a hindrance to your own progress, and Luke's not like that. He doesn't want to be the monster Carver is.
The game gives us an option to say "we don't have time" but the fact is they waste more time trying to talk Kenny and Rebecca out of it than the actual beat down itself. In the meantime, someone could've taken initiative and used the distraction outside to grab the stray walkers instead of waiting until Kenny came out to do so. So it's sketchy at best to try and pin the ending mess on that.
The fact is, things just didn't go as planned. The herd moved differently than anticipated which is what brought the gunmen to that side of the building (remember the plan was for them to be distracted which they were until either Troy's scream or the density of the herd summoned them). And Sarah's rising panic was an ill omen anyway. I don't doubt they would've been screwed one way or the other.
I think Luke has the balls to kill, but he tries to think things out logically, and with the horde of walkers approaching, it was best to le… moreave as quick as possible, Kenny on the other hand is ruled by his emotions and is willing to put the whole group at risk by taking the time to beat a man's skull in.
He is not pussy, he wanna just think about it.
Luke is just then kill people, if thats necessary. He wanna escaped hurry, and didn't wa… moreste the time, while the fucking big horde of walker is coming to the camp.
Yes, we must killed that son of a bitch Carver, but Luke reactions not was so pussy.
I actually like that Kenny count Clem as an equal. He is the only one who really knows what Clementine went through. Plus, he gave everyone the time to leave the room. And I can relate to his actions as well. Carver killed his friend,Walter and Alvin; and he blinded him on one of his eyes permanently.
What else would you use? That whole pallet or one of the carton boxes in that room? It was fast, at least.
Do you think Lilly would have liked it, if her dad's head is beaten into a red pulp slowly before her eyes? No way.
That's a ludacris argument. There absolutely was, and even if there wasn't. Did he still CRUSH A MAN'S HEAD WITH A 50LB SALT LICK while the … moredaughter and an eight year old girl helplessly watched or was that just my game? Get over yourself, stop sticking up for a person who throughout season 1 showed nothing but contempt for Lee if you didn't help him kill someone who wasn't even dead.
And it gets better, when his son was bitten, he didn't give a shit. I don't like hypocrisy, and I can say that it was one of the most selfish things I have EVER seen in an act of fiction.
You don't know that, the riflemans started shooting asap, so even if the leave sooner there is the same chance that Carlos dies and Sarita gets bitten.
I think the best solution is between the two. Carver had to be dealt with, but they shouldn't had waste the time. One quick bullet in the head should have been enough.
I think Luke has the balls to kill, but he tries to think things out logically, and with the horde of walkers approaching, it was best to le… moreave as quick as possible, Kenny on the other hand is ruled by his emotions and is willing to put the whole group at risk by taking the time to beat a man's skull in.
Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or… more.... no?
I understand, alot of people like Kenny. But you can't deny he is becoming a problem, even Sarita looked at him with some disgust on that whole "revenge" thing. A bullet in the head is revenge, not maliciously capping a man's face in with a crowbar while a pregnant woman and possibly an eleven year old girl watch. He's just not there anymore.
He didn't think it was right. And it wasn't, but in this case, Carver NEEDED to die, he never would have given up. Maybe not like how Kenny took care of it, but he did need to die.
If Carver had been left alive, than he would've just come after the group again.
So there wasn't a lot of choice.
Carver was to dangerous to be kept alive!
And after all the atrocities Carver committed, he deserved what he got.
I can understand Luke's reservations.
Killing is wrong.
And even though in this case it was necessary, it doesn't make it good.
But one thing you have to remember, Kenny has been in this kinda situation before.
Remember the St John incident?
Therefore he's more accustomed to having to make the hard calls if/when necessary.
As Lee, I killed both brothers.
They were bad men who were gonna kill my group, they had to be stopped.
And if allowed to live, who's to say I wouldn't have ran into them later?
Same deal regarding Carver!
I don't like the way Kenny killed Carver, even though I don't think it was the wrong call.
If it would've been me, I would've made it quick and painless.
Execution style.
Put him on his knees, and a bullet in his brain.
That way, it would've have taken the revenge element out, that was prevalent in the way Kenny killed him, and have been more for the innocent people Carver killed, Walter, Alvin, Reggie, and alike.
I worry about Kenny's injury and what kind of affect it will have on him.
And also what kind of affect killing Carver will have on him.
Kenny is tough, so I'm confident he'll pull through.
After all the guy's been shot at point blank range with a hunting rifle and survived!
So I doubt this will slow him down.
But still, having the use of only one eye is a disability nevertheless.
And as far as Kenny killing Carver.
Kenny has never killed anyone like that before, although his reasons for doing so are understandable.
Carver was one sick bastard!
But I'm still worried about what kinda psychological affect this will have on him.
He didn't think it was right. And it wasn't, but in this case, Carver NEEDED to die, he never would have given up. Maybe not like how Kenny took care of it, but he did need to die.
That's a really interesting point! I like the idea of Kenny representing (for lack of better terms) Clem's dark side and Luke representing her light side.
I wouldn't consider "dark side" the same as "bad" in this case. Or "light side" the same as "good." What I meant was Kenny being a representation of the brutality of this world, and what some people have to do in order to survive and protect their loved ones. While Luke represents holding onto humanity and your morals, and not succumbing to what this world has made people.
There's pros and cons to both sides. Clem has seen both sides and what happens to people like that. She's seen extremists like Carver who've completely lost their humanity. She's seen people like Walter who tried too hard to uphold their moral code and winded up getting killed because of their own kindness. Ideally, you would want to balance both sides in this world in order to survive without completely losing who you are. It's a difficult thing to do, and characters in the game, comics, and TV show have all struggled trying to find a balance. If we are unable to keep Clementine balanced between them, I would like to see the option to sway her to one side or the other. And Kenny and Luke are the perfect way to do this.
So yeah, I guess it's a little more complicated than dark side/light side or good cop/bad cop, haha.
All (C)Luke lovers have thumbs down?
He killed Rajeev ( Reggie), Alvin :( Walter, hit Clementine in the first minute of the game ( Determinant ), fucked up Kenny's eye and for fucks sake killed a lot of people. And Luke didn't want to kill him?
Really enjoyed every second of him being beaten down by Kenny, and loved Kenny even more.
Don't worry about it, I can guarantee he can't speak your native language. Don't let people like that put you down man/girl incase you're a girl:p Where are you from by the way?:)
I agree. One bullet to the skull would have been enough. Since Carver was shot in both legs, he wasn't going to get very far, so just leaving him there for the walkers to take care of would have worked too (that's the choice I was hoping for).
I think the best solution is between the two. Carver had to be dealt with, but they shouldn't had waste the time. One quick bullet in the head should have been enough.
They got to the roof and started shooting as the group was leaving, so If they had left sooner by just putting a bullet in carver's head, they all would of probably have gotten away.
You don't know that, the riflemans started shooting asap, so even if the leave sooner there is the same chance that Carlos dies and Sarita gets bitten.
I think he just didn't want to see Carver annihilated like whatever I assume happened to him after I left with Sarita. Yes, I left. I wasn't giving that bastard the satisfaction of seeing Clem stay and prove his point about her being just like him.
There actually is saving him. If you choose to side with Lily and attempt to bring him back, if you do enough pushes you see and hear Larry gasp for breath; a split second before a salt lick crushes his head to oblivion.
Still, Kenny has a very good point in the situation. In the end, he only wants to keep the group safe. He didn't kill Larry because he didn't like him, he killed him because if he didn't, no one else would have, and the only things in that room when the St. Johns came back would be 4 eaten bodies and an undead Larry.
As for the scene with Carver, Kenny was just getting some good old-fashioned revenge, and eye for an eye...quite literally, he knocks his eye out like a golf ball (okay, maybe a bit more than an eye... maybe half an entire head...). Carver had not only half-blinded Kenny, but killed innocent people. It was revenge not just for him, but for many. He was just the reaper, so to speak.
"Sure, he wouldn't. But ask yourself this, did he crush a defenseless man's head in with a salt lick while a girl was helplessly watching, or.... no?"
I'm sorry but that was fucking hilarious. He had a damn heart attack, there was no saving him.
No, but crushing a man's head in literally a foot from the daughter (and on my story Lee) isn't something you should do, plain and simple. Lee, Lilly, and Clementine weren't expecting it and had made the decision to try to help him. I mean for Christ's sake Lilly and Lee were SOAKED in his blood. If he wanted to be prepared for when anf if he did turn, fine. But it was fucked up, and there is no arguing that.
What else would you use? That whole pallet or one of the carton boxes in that room? It was fast, at least.
Do you think Lilly would have liked it, if her dad's head is beaten into a red pulp slowly before her eyes? No way.
Yeah, that's what the writers say. My own motivations differ from theirs though. I wanted to see just how far Kenny would take it. Because, really, the scene was more about him I found.
But several smashes to the face with a crowbar is much more 'satisfying'. Kenny needed to get his own back on him for repeatedly hitting him with that walkie-talkie. Seems like an eye for an eye or better put a eye for a face in this situation.
I think the best solution is between the two. Carver had to be dealt with, but they shouldn't had waste the time. One quick bullet in the head should have been enough.
Yeah, it seems like they are purposefully making Kenny more important than Luke, and in some cases maybe more like able. Makes me think that important things are in store for him.
Yeah, that's what the writers say. My own motivations differ from theirs though. I wanted to see just how far Kenny would take it. Because, really, the scene was more about him I found.
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"You don't kill dawgs, man :("
It's no surprise that he's super against taking people's lives , as well.
I think that'll turn out to be his biggest weakness. He's unable to kill people. A bit TOO good-natured, you know?
What Sarita said about Walter and Matthew in the lodge, can be used on Luke. "Honestly, it's dangerous to be this kind nowadays. But they just can't help it."
And we all know how they both ended up.
The fact is, things just didn't go as planned. The herd moved differently than anticipated which is what brought the gunmen to that side of the building (remember the plan was for them to be distracted which they were until either Troy's scream or the density of the herd summoned them). And Sarah's rising panic was an ill omen anyway. I don't doubt they would've been screwed one way or the other.
Do you think Lilly would have liked it, if her dad's head is beaten into a red pulp slowly before her eyes? No way.
So there wasn't a lot of choice.
Carver was to dangerous to be kept alive!
And after all the atrocities Carver committed, he deserved what he got.
I can understand Luke's reservations.
Killing is wrong.
And even though in this case it was necessary, it doesn't make it good.
But one thing you have to remember, Kenny has been in this kinda situation before.
Remember the St John incident?
Therefore he's more accustomed to having to make the hard calls if/when necessary.
As Lee, I killed both brothers.
They were bad men who were gonna kill my group, they had to be stopped.
And if allowed to live, who's to say I wouldn't have ran into them later?
Same deal regarding Carver!
I don't like the way Kenny killed Carver, even though I don't think it was the wrong call.
If it would've been me, I would've made it quick and painless.
Execution style.
Put him on his knees, and a bullet in his brain.
That way, it would've have taken the revenge element out, that was prevalent in the way Kenny killed him, and have been more for the innocent people Carver killed, Walter, Alvin, Reggie, and alike.
I worry about Kenny's injury and what kind of affect it will have on him.
And also what kind of affect killing Carver will have on him.
Kenny is tough, so I'm confident he'll pull through.
After all the guy's been shot at point blank range with a hunting rifle and survived!
So I doubt this will slow him down.
But still, having the use of only one eye is a disability nevertheless.
And as far as Kenny killing Carver.
Kenny has never killed anyone like that before, although his reasons for doing so are understandable.
Carver was one sick bastard!
But I'm still worried about what kinda psychological affect this will have on him.
Check out my comment on the situation.
There's pros and cons to both sides. Clem has seen both sides and what happens to people like that. She's seen extremists like Carver who've completely lost their humanity. She's seen people like Walter who tried too hard to uphold their moral code and winded up getting killed because of their own kindness. Ideally, you would want to balance both sides in this world in order to survive without completely losing who you are. It's a difficult thing to do, and characters in the game, comics, and TV show have all struggled trying to find a balance. If we are unable to keep Clementine balanced between them, I would like to see the option to sway her to one side or the other. And Kenny and Luke are the perfect way to do this.
So yeah, I guess it's a little more complicated than dark side/light side or good cop/bad cop, haha.
He killed Rajeev ( Reggie), Alvin :( Walter, hit Clementine in the first minute of the game ( Determinant ), fucked up Kenny's eye and for fucks sake killed a lot of people. And Luke didn't want to kill him?
Really enjoyed every second of him being beaten down by Kenny, and loved Kenny even more.
I learned never english, but i understand everything. Yes i can't write and speak english, but i understand.
Still, Kenny has a very good point in the situation. In the end, he only wants to keep the group safe. He didn't kill Larry because he didn't like him, he killed him because if he didn't, no one else would have, and the only things in that room when the St. Johns came back would be 4 eaten bodies and an undead Larry.
As for the scene with Carver, Kenny was just getting some good old-fashioned revenge, and eye for an eye...quite literally, he knocks his eye out like a golf ball (okay, maybe a bit more than an eye... maybe half an entire head...). Carver had not only half-blinded Kenny, but killed innocent people. It was revenge not just for him, but for many. He was just the reaper, so to speak.