Love this comment! Kenny acted how 99% of us would. No matter how much you deny you'd be that cruel. It was realistic. Yes I was hurt. Yes I was angry. Yes I understood 100% where he was coming from. And yes it was 100% justified
I feel so sorry for Luke in this, he had no time to grieve at the mobile home, and he gets grief for it, so when his emotions get the better of him, and he beds Jane - he still gets grief!
There are so many people here, who are so self righteous - swearing that the would never do what Kenny did to Clem, or if they did, they would apologize (Kenny did!), or how could Luke not grieve for Nick (what did they want him to do, pull a Sarah as the walkers were breaking through?) when the truth of the matter is, if the ZA were to happen, not only would 90% of us be dead by now, the remaining 10% would be doing bloody well to hold it together anywhere near as well as these guys.
At least I hold my hand up and say yes, in the heat of the moment Ive said hurtfull things to people. Targetted things, designed to cause the most pain. Was I remorseful after, yes. AS WAS KENNY did I show it? No, not always. Did it change anything if I felt remorse? No, the damage was done.
Kenny knows what he is saying is designed to hurt. He wants it to. He wants to make someone, anyone else hurt as much as he is in that moment. Theres a part of him that knows he shouldnt be saying this, but he goes on anyway.
But, I guess non of this matters, because the pure of heart Kenny haters, who have never talked down to someone, made a rash decision, or said something in anger, are going to disagree with mer here. Que the down votes!
Look i kinda hated kenny when he said that stuff to clem, but i know hes still a good guy, no matter what i will choose kenny over any character in the group (and by the way i like everyone in the group right now, even mike and bonnie), i will always think of kenny as a hero of the walking dead.
Christa lost a child, right after the death of her loved one.
As cold as it is, the attitude espoused by many characters - even Clementin… moree - is that everybody's lost someone. Kenny's pain doesn't make him unique or give him any more right to shit on younger people, first with Ben and now with Clem. Clem is arguably more deserving of calling out her fellow survivors on not giving a crap about who she is, but she's too mature and broken down for that.
Well, ok. I see disliking him as a person as a compliment, that just means his character is very well written and realistic. Those flaws make him all the more human to me. But those are also good reasons to dislike him, and I respect your right to that opinion. But most of the people I've come in contact with hate him irrationally for silly reasons, hence my confusion over why they hate him.
Exactly how I felt about Kenny.
I can say the exact same thing about everyone being upset with Luke for porking Jane instead of keeping a… moren eye out for walkers. Not every character that fans keep putting on pedestals is a saint, but you know what? That's what makes them more relatable and therefore more interesting as characters. People make mistakes and when they feel they're at their lowest low, they feel they need to do something to relieve themselves of their stress...
* Kenny lost yet another person whom he felt close to so he blamed Clementine for (indirectly) getting her killed.
* Luke and Jane felt the need to share a moment with each other after everything they've been through (Carver, the trailer park, Nick's death)
* Oh yeah. And not to mention CLEMENTINE for leaving Lee's group for a stranger who claimed that he had her parents...or is she off limits just because everyone loves her...?
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Kenny is responsible for his actions. He yelled at and unfairly blamed a little girl who is his only family now.
Adults are accountable t… moreo act like adults. Part of that is treating people right, even when you're hurting.
Kenny was hurting. He should have given Clem a hug and said he knew it wasn't her fault. That's what family does. They support each other, not emotionally abuse each other. They cope in tough situations by caring for each other instead of only themselves.
People defend Kenny because they like Kenny. But if people thought about it, they would realize how sick it is to defend the abuser (Kenny) instead of the victim (Clem). Kenny is acting like the guy who beats his wife, then gets her chocolate and says how sorry he is. No. There are good ways to deal with grief and anger without abusing other people. Abuse is not one of them.
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Yes, but he was selfless... He protected Lee when Ben fell by trapping himself in the alleyway or he jumped in a walker infested building yo save
Christa, Kenny also took a bullet to the chest to save his son and finally he took the worst beating in the game to protect Clementine and lost his left
eye as a result.
As the wiki says... "Kenny is a flawed yet likable man"
even if he can be irrational... He's made selfless decisions and lost so much.
Besides when you really think about it at least Katja, Duck, and Sarita were spared being devoured by walkers, raped by bandits, or getting smashed in by saltlicks.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO KENNY IS A BADASS HE LOST 2 WIFES AND A SON OF COURSE HE'S MAD AND BY THE WAY HE WAS NOT GOING TO LET THAT KID IN SEASON 1 SUFFER SO HE SHOT HI AND ESCAPED LIKE A BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS
Nick killed Matthew for no reason, and then Luke's group brought Carver's group (that was looking for revenge, wich Kenny's group had nothing to do about it) to the lodge, resulting in Walter's death and later Sarita's.
Besides I remember what Kenny said in S1: "But if we're going to survive this shit, we gotta have the balls to do the hard thing. Or at least, one of us's got to."
I was a bit pissed about this too, then I realized it was my fault. If Clem hadnt been with the cabin group when they met Kenny's group, he … moremore than likely would have told them to keep moving. He certainly wouldnt have gone with them. They had a good thing with the ski lodge, no need to leave. So he never would have ended up at Carvers camp, never would have got beat half to death, and Sarita never would have been bitten.
So yeah, its all my fault... :-(
People defend Kenny because they like Kenny. But if people thought about it, they would realize how sick it is to defend the abuser (Kenny) instead of the victim (Clem). Kenny is acting like the guy who beats his wife, then gets her chocolate and says how sorry he is. No. There are good ways to deal with grief and anger without abusing other people. Abuse is not one of them.
This. Just this, so much.
I feel like defending Kenny's outburst is akin to defending a spoiled brat who throws a tantrum when he isn't given candy, completely ignoring the fact that everyone else also isn't given candy.
Here's a good question. Imagine that it wasn't Kenny who reacted this way. Imagine Rebecca was the one who verbally abused Clem after she lost Alvin, or Lilly after losing Larry, or Luke after losing Nick. Would you honestly let such despicable behavior slide? I honestly doubt it.
Kenny is responsible for his actions. He yelled at and unfairly blamed a little girl who is his only family now.
Adults are accountable t… moreo act like adults. Part of that is treating people right, even when you're hurting.
Kenny was hurting. He should have given Clem a hug and said he knew it wasn't her fault. That's what family does. They support each other, not emotionally abuse each other. They cope in tough situations by caring for each other instead of only themselves.
People defend Kenny because they like Kenny. But if people thought about it, they would realize how sick it is to defend the abuser (Kenny) instead of the victim (Clem). Kenny is acting like the guy who beats his wife, then gets her chocolate and says how sorry he is. No. There are good ways to deal with grief and anger without abusing other people. Abuse is not one of them.
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Well, ok. I see disliking him as a person as a compliment, that just means his character is very well written and realistic. Those flaws mak… moree him all the more human to me. But those are also good reasons to dislike him, and I respect your right to that opinion. But most of the people I've come in contact with hate him irrationally for silly reasons, hence my confusion over why they hate him.
But peoples natures change given the situation....dont get me wrong. Im not a mad Kenny fangirl, Im just defending a guy I feel has done nothing wrong.
Im pretty sure pre-apocalypse Kenny was a fairly nice guy - he was no doubt opinionated. But this is a guy who stands strongly by what he believes in. A good trait IMO! But the pressure of surviving day to day changes people, just look at the amount of soldiers that come back from active service, who have seen and done terrible things. Many spouses, friends, or relatives say that they have changed. They may become quiet and withdrawn, or quick to temper. Its a form of PTSD and we shouldnt blame the guy for it.
I have 2 ex-boyfriends, both out on the front line at the moment (Im a sucker for soldiers apparently...I also suck at relationships... ;-/) so maybe that why Im empathic towards the situation, I know how situations and pressure can change people
Well said Tinni, I think I see a lot of myself in Kenny - and whilst the guy is flawed, hes a good person. I don't understand how people hate him. Hes never done anything "bad" hes always tried to do the right thing, sometimes with a different outcome to how was planned. But he's always had a reason - for everything he's done
Well, ok. I see disliking him as a person as a compliment, that just means his character is very well written and realistic. Those flaws mak… moree him all the more human to me. But those are also good reasons to dislike him, and I respect your right to that opinion. But most of the people I've come in contact with hate him irrationally for silly reasons, hence my confusion over why they hate him.
Well.. In my play through I had to finish Sarita off right in front of him, so I'd expect him to sort of blame me until he comes back to his senses.. Still I don't think he should have lashed out like that.. I mean I DID just prevent him from killing a loved one again..
I didnt expect him to get over it, just not take it out on Clementine. He wasnt just being angry either, he was deliberately trying to hurt her. Thats what made me upset.
I never held it against him. I knew he didn't really blame Clem, he is just grieving and blowing off steam at having to go through this kind of loss again
Yet Clem only left the group once she realized that she could no longer rely on Lee to find her family. She was a young girl, manipulated by a man who claimed to be a father. I don't think fans realize how traumatizing it must have been for her to realize she couldn't trust anyone.
Exactly how I felt about Kenny.
I can say the exact same thing about everyone being upset with Luke for porking Jane instead of keeping a… moren eye out for walkers. Not every character that fans keep putting on pedestals is a saint, but you know what? That's what makes them more relatable and therefore more interesting as characters. People make mistakes and when they feel they're at their lowest low, they feel they need to do something to relieve themselves of their stress...
* Kenny lost yet another person whom he felt close to so he blamed Clementine for (indirectly) getting her killed.
* Luke and Jane felt the need to share a moment with each other after everything they've been through (Carver, the trailer park, Nick's death)
* Oh yeah. And not to mention CLEMENTINE for leaving Lee's group for a stranger who claimed that he had her parents...or is she off limits just because everyone loves her...?
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I never said Kenny wasn't helpful or useless. I'm glad at times that Kenny is with us but at other times I want him away from me. AKA he about lose his mental state. Next episode we either see him broken mentally or back to normal. All I am just saying his whole attitude is annoying.
Yes, but he was selfless... He protected Lee when Ben fell by trapping himself in the alleyway or he jumped in a walker infested building yo… more save
Christa, Kenny also took a bullet to the chest to save his son and finally he took the worst beating in the game to protect Clementine and lost his left
eye as a result.
As the wiki says... "Kenny is a flawed yet likable man"
even if he can be irrational... He's made selfless decisions and lost so much.
I forgave Ben. No issues with Nick shooting Matthew. And fine with Luke screwing Jane. But I still think anyone who says they wouldnt have… more acted like Kenny, is wrong. Truth is, no.one knows how they would react until they had been through it all. And we're in that exact same situation
Well Sarah acted more irrationally than Kenny. Rebecca still had her baby. Nick was kinda like Kenny, sure his mother died but who knows how he acted immediately after that. And then his uncle died. But I don't think any of those loses are comparable to your child dying and your wife killing herself at the time you probably need them most. Then to go through the same fucking thing again. Something is seriously wrong with you and you're extremely childish and immature if you won't forgive him because he yelled at you and said things that is in fact true, but you just didn't want to hear the truth.
I understand.....but I still won't forgive him. This is the second time this happened.. I don't agree with anyone whole heartedly on every d… moreecision and shouldn't have to, like with his determination that just because Ben screwed up(accidentally costing Kenny his family) he needed to DIE. Despite being able to shoot run and climb...HE MUST DIE. Based on that logic Lily should have shot Kenny rather than Carley and Christa should have abandoned Clem. Kenny becomes too irrational for me to just forgive him. We've seen people lose loved ones like Sarah, Rebecca, and Nick/Pete. They didn't go off blaming the world. I mean Rebecca lost her husband and the father of her child. Yes she blamed Kenny a little, but she didn't go off like he did on Clem or Ben.
Well said! The one thing annoying me here more than anything is people's absolute insistence that they would never say anything like that to anyone. Of course they would! We're all guilty of it! And if you haven't said it, I'm almost certain you've been on the receiving end. And you probably dismissed it at something said in the heat of the moment.
He'll. ...I was on the receiving end of a rant from my father yesterday. I'm 31 but still get it from both parents if I do something they don't like. It wasn't pretty... I walked away. At the moment we're not on speaking terms. But it's been like this my whole life. And it'll get back to normal. It's how he is. He doesn't mean anything by it. And I do exactly the same to people. ... how I was raised I guess... I know what to say at any given time to give the most hurt at that moment. But there's always a reason . Always.
So for people to hate on him because he said something hurtful, but true to a little girl. Is just beyond me.
She got Lee bitten. That was on her. You can't deny that...then after all his losses Kenny went with Clems group because she was the last connection to his wife and son. And his girl dies because of it.
He had every right to say what he did. It was mean, spiteful, it hurt. Made me angry. But it wasn't wrong.
Well Sarah acted more irrationally than Kenny. Rebecca still had her baby. Nick was kinda like Kenny, sure his mother died but who knows how… more he acted immediately after that. And then his uncle died. But I don't think any of those loses are comparable to your child dying and your wife killing herself at the time you probably need them most. Then to go through the same fucking thing again. Something is seriously wrong with you and you're extremely childish and immature if you won't forgive him because he yelled at you and said things that is in fact true, but you just didn't want to hear the truth.
Look i kinda hated kenny when he said that stuff to clem, but i know hes still a good guy, no matter what i will choose kenny over any chara… morecter in the group (and by the way i like everyone in the group right now, even mike and bonnie), i will always think of kenny as a hero of the walking dead.
Yes, but he lost her either 5 minutes before, or was still losing her. Hell, when Nick lost Pete, he killed Matthew because he wasn't thinki… moreng straight... its not like he lost her hours before, or days or weeks. He had lost her, right then and there. They've all had losses, though you must remember that this is doubly traumatic for Kenny, he lost his family. Then managed to move on from that, made a new life with Sarita. He was happy. Then these guys disrupt his life, get him involved in their troubles. Because of Clementine he goes with them, and almost gets beaten to death, and loses his girl. Because of Clementine.
Because god knows, if she wasnt with them, they wouldnt have stayed with Luke and co.
So yeah, I understand why he's pissed. This group have ruined his life, for the second time.
I agree, but it still hurt a bit when he was so harsh on Clementine. I know what he's going through. I've lost a fiance very suddenly before, several years ago, when I was 22 years old. It never would have caused me to lash out at a kid, but I suppose that he's just on the brink. He didn't just lose Sarita, the entire world has ended. So, I suppose his pain is magnified because of it. It's easy for me to forgive Kenny, knowing all the horrible things he's had to endure. It still stings though when he was so vicious to Clem.
Idk how I would react in a situation like this, even losing my cat made me wanna tear someones head off. I even went out looking for her... I went through all the normal phases of loss pretty much, like how Kenny reacted.
I agree, but it still hurt a bit when he was so harsh on Clementine. I know what he's going through. I've lost a fiance very suddenly before… more, several years ago, when I was 22 years old. It never would have caused me to lash out at a kid, but I suppose that he's just on the brink. He didn't just lose Sarita, the entire world has ended. So, I suppose his pain is magnified because of it. It's easy for me to forgive Kenny, knowing all the horrible things he's had to endure. It still stings though when he was so vicious to Clem.
You cant say everyone would react the same way because not everyone is the same way or has had the same experiences that inform their behavior. I havent had people yelling at me my whole life and I try not to do it to other people. And what he said wasnt true but it was hurtful. He's blaming Clementine for things that werent her fault. Thats just now right no matter how you shake it.
Well said! The one thing annoying me here more than anything is people's absolute insistence that they would never say anything like that to… more anyone. Of course they would! We're all guilty of it! And if you haven't said it, I'm almost certain you've been on the receiving end. And you probably dismissed it at something said in the heat of the moment.
He'll. ...I was on the receiving end of a rant from my father yesterday. I'm 31 but still get it from both parents if I do something they don't like. It wasn't pretty... I walked away. At the moment we're not on speaking terms. But it's been like this my whole life. And it'll get back to normal. It's how he is. He doesn't mean anything by it. And I do exactly the same to people. ... how I was raised I guess... I know what to say at any given time to give the most hurt at that moment. But there's always a reason . Always.
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i question if clementine went with him willingly her hat and the walke talke the two things clementine values the most in the world she left on the ground i think she asked him to bring her parents to the house instead he grabbed her and left
Exactly how I felt about Kenny.
I can say the exact same thing about everyone being upset with Luke for porking Jane instead of keeping a… moren eye out for walkers. Not every character that fans keep putting on pedestals is a saint, but you know what? That's what makes them more relatable and therefore more interesting as characters. People make mistakes and when they feel they're at their lowest low, they feel they need to do something to relieve themselves of their stress...
* Kenny lost yet another person whom he felt close to so he blamed Clementine for (indirectly) getting her killed.
* Luke and Jane felt the need to share a moment with each other after everything they've been through (Carver, the trailer park, Nick's death)
* Oh yeah. And not to mention CLEMENTINE for leaving Lee's group for a stranger who claimed that he had her parents...or is she off limits just because everyone loves her...?
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I honestly feel so bad for Kenny. He's been through so much shit, and I know - "who hasn't?", but he seems to take quite a few extra beatings. I can't say anyone else has lost as much as he has in these two seasons, and I don't blame him at all for lashing out at Clem. If the past episodes are an indicator of anything, then yes, Kenny is a bit of a loose cannon and loses his temper quite easily, sometimes at the wrong person, but considering all the shit he's been through, I think he handled his grief well enough.
And compared to what all the other members of the group puts Clem through on a daily basis, all the "we're grown adults, but help us do everything, 11-year-old child!" bullshit Clem takes without a word from the others, I really don't think Kenny blaming her for Sarita's death is that bad, considering she is somewhat responsible. In my playthrough I did chop her arm off, and in the heat of the moment I do understand why he would blame me. Lee had his arm chopped, but he was prepared for it - in Sarita's case, it was just chaos and walkers, and all of a sudden a child chops her arm off - I would have been confused and angry, too, in both Sarita's and Kenny's shoes.
I really don't understand why everyone, including the fucking people in the group that witnessed all this crap happening to him, expects him to just bounce back and save the day. "Stop grieving all your dead friends that we got killed at the mountain lodge! Disregard the fact we brought a madman straight into your safehouse and had you hauled along to his death camp along with us! Stop grieving your dead girlfriend! Help us think of a plan! Help us deliver this baby!" Jesus Christ. They keep whining about how unstable Kenny is being and how "broken" he is, yet aside from Jane and Clem, he's done more than the rest of them combined this episode. Give the man a fucking break.
Did you really just equate Kenny's grief and despair over recently losing a loved one to a child throwing a fit because he wasn't given candy..?
It has nothing to do with defending Kenny because we like Kenny. Literally nothing. We simply understand that his reaction was completely realistic and understandable. Was he right to say what he said? No, but it is forgivable given the circumstances. People really need to try and start putting themselves in Kenny's shoes.
People defend Kenny because they like Kenny. But if people thought about it, they would realize how sick it is to defend the abuser (Kenny) … moreinstead of the victim (Clem). Kenny is acting like the guy who beats his wife, then gets her chocolate and says how sorry he is. No. There are good ways to deal with grief and anger without abusing other people. Abuse is not one of them.
This. Just this, so much.
I feel like defending Kenny's outburst is akin to defending a spoiled brat who throws a tantrum when he isn't given candy, completely ignoring the fact that everyone else also isn't given candy.
Here's a good question. Imagine that it wasn't Kenny who reacted this way. Imagine Rebecca was the one who verbally abused Clem after she lost Alvin, or Lilly after losing Larry, or Luke after losing Nick. Would you honestly let such despicable behavior slide? I honestly doubt it.
The Kenny hate is very comparable to the hate that Snow gets from TWAU. Some people simply can't stand getting yelled at or being told what to do.
Seriously, after episode three people were praising Kenny's name all over the forums. Then after he yells at Clementine one time in episode 4, he gets relentlessly hated on. Its kind of ridiculous, especially when all the good things he did in the episode get completely ignored.
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Speak for yourself, not 99% of the population.
These kenny fans ain't playin around xD. Look at all these thumbs down.
I feel so sorry for Luke in this, he had no time to grieve at the mobile home, and he gets grief for it, so when his emotions get the better of him, and he beds Jane - he still gets grief!
There are so many people here, who are so self righteous - swearing that the would never do what Kenny did to Clem, or if they did, they would apologize (Kenny did!), or how could Luke not grieve for Nick (what did they want him to do, pull a Sarah as the walkers were breaking through?) when the truth of the matter is, if the ZA were to happen, not only would 90% of us be dead by now, the remaining 10% would be doing bloody well to hold it together anywhere near as well as these guys.
At least I hold my hand up and say yes, in the heat of the moment Ive said hurtfull things to people. Targetted things, designed to cause the most pain. Was I remorseful after, yes. AS WAS KENNY did I show it? No, not always. Did it change anything if I felt remorse? No, the damage was done.
Kenny knows what he is saying is designed to hurt. He wants it to. He wants to make someone, anyone else hurt as much as he is in that moment. Theres a part of him that knows he shouldnt be saying this, but he goes on anyway.
But, I guess non of this matters, because the pure of heart Kenny haters, who have never talked down to someone, made a rash decision, or said something in anger, are going to disagree with mer here. Que the down votes!
Look i kinda hated kenny when he said that stuff to clem, but i know hes still a good guy, no matter what i will choose kenny over any character in the group (and by the way i like everyone in the group right now, even mike and bonnie), i will always think of kenny as a hero of the walking dead.
Kenny was a dick from season 1. Yep I said it :O.
I didnt see it as not sticking up for myself, I saw it as letting the guy speak. He needed to let it out...he couldnt bottle up any more.
Ironically, Kenny is probably how each and every one of us would be if we were to survive that long...
Exactly, she did, and became cold and distant to Clem, I almost got the vibe that Christa hated me...
Thats why i didnt say 100%
Well, ok. I see disliking him as a person as a compliment, that just means his character is very well written and realistic. Those flaws make him all the more human to me. But those are also good reasons to dislike him, and I respect your right to that opinion. But most of the people I've come in contact with hate him irrationally for silly reasons, hence my confusion over why they hate him.
Thank you!
Wow...your family and mine are obviously very different...
Yes, but he was selfless... He protected Lee when Ben fell by trapping himself in the alleyway or he jumped in a walker infested building yo save
Christa, Kenny also took a bullet to the chest to save his son and finally he took the worst beating in the game to protect Clementine and lost his left
eye as a result.
As the wiki says... "Kenny is a flawed yet likable man"
even if he can be irrational... He's made selfless decisions and lost so much.
While you're not wrong by any means, I still stand by this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w
Besides when you really think about it at least Katja, Duck, and Sarita were spared being devoured by walkers, raped by bandits, or getting smashed in by saltlicks.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO KENNY IS A BADASS HE LOST 2 WIFES AND A SON OF COURSE HE'S MAD AND BY THE WAY HE WAS NOT GOING TO LET THAT KID IN SEASON 1 SUFFER SO HE SHOT HI AND ESCAPED LIKE A BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS
No. No it's not. That's all on the cabin group.
Nick killed Matthew for no reason, and then Luke's group brought Carver's group (that was looking for revenge, wich Kenny's group had nothing to do about it) to the lodge, resulting in Walter's death and later Sarita's.
Besides I remember what Kenny said in S1: "But if we're going to survive this shit, we gotta have the balls to do the hard thing. Or at least, one of us's got to."
This. Just this, so much.
I feel like defending Kenny's outburst is akin to defending a spoiled brat who throws a tantrum when he isn't given candy, completely ignoring the fact that everyone else also isn't given candy.
Here's a good question. Imagine that it wasn't Kenny who reacted this way. Imagine Rebecca was the one who verbally abused Clem after she lost Alvin, or Lilly after losing Larry, or Luke after losing Nick. Would you honestly let such despicable behavior slide? I honestly doubt it.
Well, everyone has their reasons lol. Thank you for respecting my opinion.
Not me. Thats not my nature. I get easily frustrated but I'm mild-tempered as a rule. Id like to think I wouldnt just blow up at people like he does.
But peoples natures change given the situation....dont get me wrong. Im not a mad Kenny fangirl, Im just defending a guy I feel has done nothing wrong.
Im pretty sure pre-apocalypse Kenny was a fairly nice guy - he was no doubt opinionated. But this is a guy who stands strongly by what he believes in. A good trait IMO! But the pressure of surviving day to day changes people, just look at the amount of soldiers that come back from active service, who have seen and done terrible things. Many spouses, friends, or relatives say that they have changed. They may become quiet and withdrawn, or quick to temper. Its a form of PTSD and we shouldnt blame the guy for it.
I have 2 ex-boyfriends, both out on the front line at the moment (Im a sucker for soldiers apparently...I also suck at relationships... ;-/) so maybe that why Im empathic towards the situation, I know how situations and pressure can change people
Well said Tinni, I think I see a lot of myself in Kenny - and whilst the guy is flawed, hes a good person. I don't understand how people hate him. Hes never done anything "bad" hes always tried to do the right thing, sometimes with a different outcome to how was planned. But he's always had a reason - for everything he's done
Well.. In my play through I had to finish Sarita off right in front of him, so I'd expect him to sort of blame me until he comes back to his senses.. Still I don't think he should have lashed out like that.. I mean I DID just prevent him from killing a loved one again..
I never held it against him. I knew he didn't really blame Clem, he is just grieving and blowing off steam at having to go through this kind of loss again
Yet Clem only left the group once she realized that she could no longer rely on Lee to find her family. She was a young girl, manipulated by a man who claimed to be a father. I don't think fans realize how traumatizing it must have been for her to realize she couldn't trust anyone.
I never said Kenny wasn't helpful or useless. I'm glad at times that Kenny is with us but at other times I want him away from me. AKA he about lose his mental state. Next episode we either see him broken mentally or back to normal. All I am just saying his whole attitude is annoying.
Exactly.
Well Sarah acted more irrationally than Kenny. Rebecca still had her baby. Nick was kinda like Kenny, sure his mother died but who knows how he acted immediately after that. And then his uncle died. But I don't think any of those loses are comparable to your child dying and your wife killing herself at the time you probably need them most. Then to go through the same fucking thing again. Something is seriously wrong with you and you're extremely childish and immature if you won't forgive him because he yelled at you and said things that is in fact true, but you just didn't want to hear the truth.
Well said! The one thing annoying me here more than anything is people's absolute insistence that they would never say anything like that to anyone. Of course they would! We're all guilty of it! And if you haven't said it, I'm almost certain you've been on the receiving end. And you probably dismissed it at something said in the heat of the moment.
He'll. ...I was on the receiving end of a rant from my father yesterday. I'm 31 but still get it from both parents if I do something they don't like. It wasn't pretty... I walked away. At the moment we're not on speaking terms. But it's been like this my whole life. And it'll get back to normal. It's how he is. He doesn't mean anything by it. And I do exactly the same to people. ... how I was raised I guess... I know what to say at any given time to give the most hurt at that moment. But there's always a reason . Always.
So for people to hate on him because he said something hurtful, but true to a little girl. Is just beyond me.
She got Lee bitten. That was on her. You can't deny that...then after all his losses Kenny went with Clems group because she was the last connection to his wife and son. And his girl dies because of it.
He had every right to say what he did. It was mean, spiteful, it hurt. Made me angry. But it wasn't wrong.
MP990, totally agree with you. I'm the same!
Yes, Clem even said in Ep1 when she was talking to Luke that people sometimes die because of her
I agree, but it still hurt a bit when he was so harsh on Clementine. I know what he's going through. I've lost a fiance very suddenly before, several years ago, when I was 22 years old. It never would have caused me to lash out at a kid, but I suppose that he's just on the brink. He didn't just lose Sarita, the entire world has ended. So, I suppose his pain is magnified because of it. It's easy for me to forgive Kenny, knowing all the horrible things he's had to endure. It still stings though when he was so vicious to Clem.
Idk how I would react in a situation like this, even losing my cat made me wanna tear someones head off. I even went out looking for her... I went through all the normal phases of loss pretty much, like how Kenny reacted.
... but
You cant say everyone would react the same way because not everyone is the same way or has had the same experiences that inform their behavior. I havent had people yelling at me my whole life and I try not to do it to other people. And what he said wasnt true but it was hurtful. He's blaming Clementine for things that werent her fault. Thats just now right no matter how you shake it.
i question if clementine went with him willingly her hat and the walke talke the two things clementine values the most in the world she left on the ground i think she asked him to bring her parents to the house instead he grabbed her and left
Who isn't, when you don't agree with them.
I honestly feel so bad for Kenny. He's been through so much shit, and I know - "who hasn't?", but he seems to take quite a few extra beatings. I can't say anyone else has lost as much as he has in these two seasons, and I don't blame him at all for lashing out at Clem. If the past episodes are an indicator of anything, then yes, Kenny is a bit of a loose cannon and loses his temper quite easily, sometimes at the wrong person, but considering all the shit he's been through, I think he handled his grief well enough.
And compared to what all the other members of the group puts Clem through on a daily basis, all the "we're grown adults, but help us do everything, 11-year-old child!" bullshit Clem takes without a word from the others, I really don't think Kenny blaming her for Sarita's death is that bad, considering she is somewhat responsible. In my playthrough I did chop her arm off, and in the heat of the moment I do understand why he would blame me. Lee had his arm chopped, but he was prepared for it - in Sarita's case, it was just chaos and walkers, and all of a sudden a child chops her arm off - I would have been confused and angry, too, in both Sarita's and Kenny's shoes.
I really don't understand why everyone, including the fucking people in the group that witnessed all this crap happening to him, expects him to just bounce back and save the day. "Stop grieving all your dead friends that we got killed at the mountain lodge! Disregard the fact we brought a madman straight into your safehouse and had you hauled along to his death camp along with us! Stop grieving your dead girlfriend! Help us think of a plan! Help us deliver this baby!" Jesus Christ. They keep whining about how unstable Kenny is being and how "broken" he is, yet aside from Jane and Clem, he's done more than the rest of them combined this episode. Give the man a fucking break.
Did you really just equate Kenny's grief and despair over recently losing a loved one to a child throwing a fit because he wasn't given candy..?
It has nothing to do with defending Kenny because we like Kenny. Literally nothing. We simply understand that his reaction was completely realistic and understandable. Was he right to say what he said? No, but it is forgivable given the circumstances. People really need to try and start putting themselves in Kenny's shoes.
Its just as bad when trying to defend him.
The Kenny hate is very comparable to the hate that Snow gets from TWAU. Some people simply can't stand getting yelled at or being told what to do.
Seriously, after episode three people were praising Kenny's name all over the forums. Then after he yells at Clementine one time in episode 4, he gets relentlessly hated on. Its kind of ridiculous, especially when all the good things he did in the episode get completely ignored.