It may be true that not everyone would act the way Kenny did, but unless people have gone through the same/similar experiences then nobody can actually know how they would react. It's easy to say "Oh man, I would never say the things that Kenny said," when you haven't gone through all the tragedies that he has. The man lost his wife and son, nearly died, then he lost a good friend, his eye, then his new girlfriend. I don't feel that anyone who hasn't gone through that or something similar can really judge him. That is a lot of loss. It's a miracle that the guy has kept going this long.
And what Kenny was saying, while hurtful, was completely true. Clem got Lee and Omid killed. In Omid's case it was more of a failure on everyone's parts, but Clem still played a significant role in his death.
You cant say everyone would react the same way because not everyone is the same way or has had the same experiences that inform their behavi… moreor. I havent had people yelling at me my whole life and I try not to do it to other people. And what he said wasnt true but it was hurtful. He's blaming Clementine for things that werent her fault. Thats just now right no matter how you shake it.
I really don't blame the guy, however, I didn't stand up, In-fact, I barely said anything, I actually let him talk, and let him blow off steam, and said one thing at the end, and he got up and helped the group.
The Kenny hate is very comparable to the hate that Snow gets from TWAU. Some people simply can't stand getting yelled at or being told what … moreto do.
Seriously, after episode three people were praising Kenny's name all over the forums. Then after he yells at Clementine one time in episode 4, he gets relentlessly hated on. Its kind of ridiculous, especially when all the good things he did in the episode get completely ignored.
Yeah, I probably could have come up with a more serious analogy... but the point is that it was meant to emphasize how Kenny's situation isn't special; literally everyone else in the entire world is suffering what he's going through, and few react as childishly as he does. His response if you tell him in the tent that everyone is suffering is a bitter "The hell do you know Clem!?"
This is exactly what I'm talking about. His grief and anger is completely justified, I'm not arguing that. What irritates me is Kenny's belief that he's special, that no one understands what he's going through when, yes, everyone does understand. Clem can tell him she's lost her parents and Lee, to which he responds by saying "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit, Kenny? Can't accept the fact that everyone has lost loved ones?
Did you really just equate Kenny's grief and despair over recently losing a loved one to a child throwing a fit because he wasn't given cand… morey..?
It has nothing to do with defending Kenny because we like Kenny. Literally nothing. We simply understand that his reaction was completely realistic and understandable. Was he right to say what he said? No, but it is forgivable given the circumstances. People really need to try and start putting themselves in Kenny's shoes.
I honestly feel so bad for Kenny. He's been through so much shit, and I know - "who hasn't?", but he seems to take quite a few extra beating… mores. I can't say anyone else has lost as much as he has in these two seasons, and I don't blame him at all for lashing out at Clem. If the past episodes are an indicator of anything, then yes, Kenny is a bit of a loose cannon and loses his temper quite easily, sometimes at the wrong person, but considering all the shit he's been through, I think he handled his grief well enough.
And compared to what all the other members of the group puts Clem through on a daily basis, all the "we're grown adults, but help us do everything, 11-year-old child!" bullshit Clem takes without a word from the others, I really don't think Kenny blaming her for Sarita's death is that bad, considering she is somewhat responsible. In my playthrough I did chop her arm off, and in the heat of the moment I do understand why he would … [view original content]
so can i, but at the same time people tend to forget that Lee isn't some completely defined personality. I'm sure HIS/HER lee would do that, and i can agree that my Lee wouldn't have let Clem go to the meeting place, but mine would have probably agreed with Kenny on Carver, granted he would have told Clem to wait outside but he wouldn't be pissed at Kenny for what he did at all. (feel like i should mention that my Lee and Kenny did not end as friends after he was wishy washy on helping him save clem, i chose the 'F*ck You line) However I agree that mine would have kicked Kenny's a** for what he said to her afterwards.
I'm going to also say this, IF Clem chose to cut off Saritas arm (like mine did), i personally somewhat agree with his sentiment that Clementine can't just say sorry and make it better because she was a kid, she either indirectly or directly responsible for Sarita depending on if you chose to axe her or not. He was a dick to say it like that but I can understand what he means, it's like what Chuck said "You gotta consider her a living person, that's it! You're either living or you're not. You ain't little, you ain't a girl, you ain't a boy, you ain't strong or smart, you're alive." Being a kid doesn't count as an excuse in this world. My clementine felt she had to make a call, and cutting off her arm was the only shot she had to make it at all. However it was a bad call that got her killed, she tried to help but messed up. Regardless of Intentions, Sarita died because of it, She defended herself when Kenny yelled at her about it but never argued against the fact that Sarita died because of her. I say this not to defend Kenny,who as i said above took it way too far, but to say that Clementine will need to become self reliant given the groups current situation and the first step towards that is taking responsibility for her screw ups.
on the other hand, if you didn't cut off Saritas arm and he still b**ches you out then he is without a doubt in the wrong as there was literally nothing she could do, and he comes off as a complete a****hole in that choice. With all of that said, if there is an option on who to stick with at the end of Ep. 5, i REALLY hope either/both Bonnie and Mike make it because if not i think i might make Clementine go off on her own. I respect Kenny but he is losing it, and while i think Luke is more stable and i like him i don't trust his judgement enough to stick with him over the others.
I still don't think it's okay how he yelled at Clem. He lost Katjaa, Duck and Sarita, yea i know, EVERYONE lost people. Clem tried to save Sarita by doing what she though was the right choice. Clem is a little girl, 11 years old who lost more than him. She lost her parents, Lee, Omid and probably Christa too. She didn't get to say goodbye to her parents, Omid and not really Christa either. Kenny said goodbye to his family and Sarita, he should be glad about that. He was lucky enough to get to say goodbye. Clem is about 100000000% more tough than anyone else is. People are threating her like shit (hitting her, yelling at her, making her do things). Clem could've yelled at Kenny because of her loved ones deads, but she didn't. In my opinion everyone could just die, but not Clem.
Childish? Immature? Just because I don't think Kenny deserves a free pass to just take his anger out any way he feels like makes me childish? It's not because he yelled at me it's because he refuses to act like a rational human being in a very difficult situation like this! Sarah is different, Carlos said from the beginning that she would "cease to function" if she faced the horrible reality. THAT is an excuse to be a little irrational She wasn't prepared AT ALL. Kenny knew the world was a fucked up place. There is no equation that says
"If this person dies in this way you are allowed to react in this way"
Also you don't know me so you have no right to deem me childish and immature, I think it's pretty immature of yourself to do over a GAME and differing opinion.
Well Sarah acted more irrationally than Kenny. Rebecca still had her baby. Nick was kinda like Kenny, sure his mother died but who knows how… more he acted immediately after that. And then his uncle died. But I don't think any of those loses are comparable to your child dying and your wife killing herself at the time you probably need them most. Then to go through the same fucking thing again. Something is seriously wrong with you and you're extremely childish and immature if you won't forgive him because he yelled at you and said things that is in fact true, but you just didn't want to hear the truth.
Youre right, I can only speak for myself just like you can only speak for yourself. Yet, every single character in the game has been hurt and lost a lot of people that they cared about and Kenny has been the only one losing it on everyone. And its not even that. If it was just his loses I could understand, but Kenny has been acting off the rails since almost the beginning. Its part of his character. I still remember the many times Kenny would pounce on my Lee over nothing and how irritated it was making me. And Clem did not get Lee and Omid killed. Their own actions got them killed. That they got into those situations trying to protect her made them brave, noble, good men but, I think they would both agree that it wasnt her fault. It bugs me that people keep saying she got them killed like it was deliberate on her part. What a burden to put on an 8 or 9 year old girl.
It may be true that not everyone would act the way Kenny did, but unless people have gone through the same/similar experiences then nobody c… morean actually know how they would react. It's easy to say "Oh man, I would never say the things that Kenny said," when you haven't gone through all the tragedies that he has. The man lost his wife and son, nearly died, then he lost a good friend, his eye, then his new girlfriend. I don't feel that anyone who hasn't gone through that or something similar can really judge him. That is a lot of loss. It's a miracle that the guy has kept going this long.
And what Kenny was saying, while hurtful, was completely true. Clem got Lee and Omid killed. In Omid's case it was more of a failure on everyone's parts, but Clem still played a significant role in his death.
The Kenny hate is very comparable to the hate that Snow gets from TWAU. Some people simply can't stand getting yelled at or being told what … moreto do.
Seriously, after episode three people were praising Kenny's name all over the forums. Then after he yells at Clementine one time in episode 4, he gets relentlessly hated on. Its kind of ridiculous, especially when all the good things he did in the episode get completely ignored.
I honestly feel so bad for Kenny. He's been through so much shit, and I know - "who hasn't?", but he seems to take quite a few extra beating… mores. I can't say anyone else has lost as much as he has in these two seasons, and I don't blame him at all for lashing out at Clem. If the past episodes are an indicator of anything, then yes, Kenny is a bit of a loose cannon and loses his temper quite easily, sometimes at the wrong person, but considering all the shit he's been through, I think he handled his grief well enough.
And compared to what all the other members of the group puts Clem through on a daily basis, all the "we're grown adults, but help us do everything, 11-year-old child!" bullshit Clem takes without a word from the others, I really don't think Kenny blaming her for Sarita's death is that bad, considering she is somewhat responsible. In my playthrough I did chop her arm off, and in the heat of the moment I do understand why he would … [view original content]
What irritates me is Kenny's belief that he's special, that no one understands what he's going through when, yes, everyone does understand.
That's just speculation on your part. Never once does he single himself out as the only one who has had to go through his pain. He is simply sulking literally hours after losing another loved one in a horrific sort of way. What is so bad about that? It would be different if he was sulking a long time after the death, but that isn't the case. Instead he pulls himself together and goes to deliver a baby. Is that man not allowed to grieve?
Clem can tell him she's lost her parents and Lee, to which he responds by saying "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit, Kenny? Can't accept the fact that everyone has lost loved ones?
He didn't say "I don't need to hear this shit" in reference to Clem talking about having to shoot Lee. He was clearly saddened when he heard that. His fiery response came when Clem told him to not be an asshole. Her line was pretty combative.
Yeah, I probably could have come up with a more serious analogy... but the point is that it was meant to emphasize how Kenny's situation isn… more't special; literally everyone else in the entire world is suffering what he's going through, and few react as childishly as he does. His response if you tell him in the tent that everyone is suffering is a bitter "The hell do you know Clem!?"
This is exactly what I'm talking about. His grief and anger is completely justified, I'm not arguing that. What irritates me is Kenny's belief that he's special, that no one understands what he's going through when, yes, everyone does understand. Clem can tell him she's lost her parents and Lee, to which he responds by saying "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit, Kenny? Can't accept the fact that everyone has lost loved ones?
What irritates me is Kenny's belief that he's special, that no one understands what he's going through when, yes, everyone does understand.
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That's just speculation on your part. Never once does he single himself out as the only one who has had to go through his pain. He is simply sulking literally hours after losing another loved one in a horrific sort of way. What is so bad about that? It would be different if he was sulking a long time after the death, but that isn't the case. Instead he pulls himself together and goes to deliver a baby. Is that man not allowed to grieve?
Clem can tell him she's lost her parents and Lee, to which he responds by saying "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit, Kenny? Can't accept the fact that everyone has lost loved ones?
He didn't say "I don't need to hear this shit" in reference to Clem talking about having to shoot Lee. He was clearly saddened when he heard that. His fiery response came when Clem told him to not be an asshole. Her line was pretty combative.
I never did speak for anyone but myself. While everyone has lost people, Kenny has lost more than most. Clem has lost more, but only her. Nobody else has really matched Kenny in terms of loss. Kenny does have quite the temper, and it is central to his character, but by this point he has more than enough reason to be angry. And you know what? He got over it in less than a day after Sarita died. That's the part that matters to me. He didn't hold a grudge and he came to his senses. In that case, I can handle a few hurtful words.
Clem most certainly did get Lee and Omid killed. Just like Ben got Katjaa, Duck, and Chuck killed. She didn't mean for it to happen, but it did. Especially Lee's death. Of course Lee and Omid would agree that it wasn't her fault. They were cool people and didn't want to cause her any pain, but objectively, yes, she did get them killed. Her running away is what led Lee to get bitten. She left the gun in the sink that would be used to kill Omid. I don't hate her for it just like I don't hate Ben for the deaths he caused, but it was still her fault. Those are just the facts.
Youre right, I can only speak for myself just like you can only speak for yourself. Yet, every single character in the game has been hurt an… mored lost a lot of people that they cared about and Kenny has been the only one losing it on everyone. And its not even that. If it was just his loses I could understand, but Kenny has been acting off the rails since almost the beginning. Its part of his character. I still remember the many times Kenny would pounce on my Lee over nothing and how irritated it was making me. And Clem did not get Lee and Omid killed. Their own actions got them killed. That they got into those situations trying to protect her made them brave, noble, good men but, I think they would both agree that it wasnt her fault. It bugs me that people keep saying she got them killed like it was deliberate on her part. What a burden to put on an 8 or 9 year old girl.
One comment I've seen a few times here is "Lee would kick Kenny's ass if he heard him speaking to Clem like that. .." or there abouts.
I love Lee... love him. Broke my heart into a million pieces to say goodbye to the guy. And the more I play S1, the more attached I get. But let's not forget one thing here.
Lee is a murderer.
He was caught, he was convicted. He was found guilty and was on his way to jail for a very very very long time. Maybe even the death penalty.
But people forgave that because a/ he caught the guy sleeping with his wife. And b/ was kind to a little girl
Now if killing someone in anger isn't a reaction in the heat of the moment. I don't know what is?? Just because he was nice to a kid we can forgive him?
People here either condone rash actions or not. You can't side with Lee, but then go against a Kenny for doing the very thing Lee did that got him arrested. Nothing Kenny has said or done has compared to murder.
Not even killing Larry, because that was self defence in extreme circumstances. Lees murder was pre - apocalypse.
Yes Kenny has a temper, but I don't think he is capable.of murder in the pre-zombie world. Lee was.
So how can we go on acting like Lee was a saint, when he had the ultimate reaction of killing someone in the heat of the moment, yet vilify Kenny, who essentially was the victim having just lost a loved one. For shouting at a little girl?
I never did speak for anyone but myself. While everyone has lost people, Kenny has lost more than most. Clem has lost more, but only her. No… morebody else has really matched Kenny in terms of loss. Kenny does have quite the temper, and it is central to his character, but by this point he has more than enough reason to be angry. And you know what? He got over it in less than a day after Sarita died. That's the part that matters to me. He didn't hold a grudge and he came to his senses. In that case, I can handle a few hurtful words.
Clem most certainly did get Lee and Omid killed. Just like Ben got Katjaa, Duck, and Chuck killed. She didn't mean for it to happen, but it did. Especially Lee's death. Of course Lee and Omid would agree that it wasn't her fault. They were cool people and didn't want to cause her any pain, but objectively, yes, she did get them killed. Her running away is what led Lee to get bitten. She left the gun in the sink that w… [view original content]
He's still not forgiven. I never liked him in Season 1. I just never liked his character. Okay, I get it, Ken has lost his wife, his kid, and later on his girlfriend, but everyone has lost their loved ones, that don't make him special. The truth is he isn't strong enough to get over it. He just CAN'T MOVE ON. The only thing Kenny is capable of is to blame and yell at people. And also finding replacements of his dead family. Clem is WAAAAAY stronger than Kenny - she's lost her parents, Lee, Omid, Christa is missing, her friends are also dead, and she says NOTHING, and she is 11 ! I think Kenny is the one who needs to GROW THE FUCK UP !! bring me the hate !!!
He's still not forgiven. I never liked him in Season 1. I just never liked his character. Okay, I get it, Ken has lost his wife, his kid, an… mored later on his girlfriend, but everyone has lost their loved ones, that don't make him special. The truth is he isn't strong enough to get over it. He just CAN'T MOVE ON. The only thing Kenny is capable of is to blame and yell at people. And also finding replacements of his dead family. Clem is WAAAAAY stronger than Kenny - she's lost her parents, Lee, Omid, Christa is missing, her friends are also dead, and she says NOTHING, and she is 11 ! I think Kenny is the one who needs to GROW THE FUCK UP !! bring me the hate !!!
How can we vilify Lilly when we've forgiven Lee? How can we forget Sarita for being the one who died?
Personally, my annoyance with Kenny is less to do with the character himself than with the way he's become so obsessed over by the fanbase and by how the writers themselves underwrite other characters so that they can focus just on his grief. While it's understandable for him to be sad, the fact that you can't even apologize to Sarita accidentally confirms Kenny's mindset that the world revolves around solely around his feelings.
Really, I think it's my anger at Sarita being confirmed to be nothing more than cannon fodder for Kenny's grief that makes me disillusioned with the writers. They really wanted to focus on him rather than stick with developing the cabin members' stories to a better degree. What if NICK, Kenny's look-alike, was the one doing his reckless decisions and gradually having his friendship with Luke unravel because of his grief?
One comment I've seen a few times here is "Lee would kick Kenny's ass if he heard him speaking to Clem like that. .." or there abouts.
I lo… moreve Lee... love him. Broke my heart into a million pieces to say goodbye to the guy. And the more I play S1, the more attached I get. But let's not forget one thing here.
Lee is a murderer.
He was caught, he was convicted. He was found guilty and was on his way to jail for a very very very long time. Maybe even the death penalty.
But people forgave that because a/ he caught the guy sleeping with his wife. And b/ was kind to a little girl
Now if killing someone in anger isn't a reaction in the heat of the moment. I don't know what is?? Just because he was nice to a kid we can forgive him?
People here either condone rash actions or not. You can't side with Lee, but then go against a Kenny for doing the very thing Lee did that got him arrested. Nothing Kenny has said or done has compared to mur… [view original content]
Okay, I get it, Ken has lost his wife, his kid, and later on his girlfriend, but everyone has lost their loved ones, that don't make him special
Yes, that is true, everyone has lost someone, but not only has Kenny lost people, he lost the love of his life and his one and only child, in addition to that losing his girlfriend, who, in a way, took the place of Katjaa and assisted him in dealing with the grief of losing her. Furthermore, not only did his lose his wife and child in the beginning of the apocalypse, but you can expect he also blames himself for their deaths, because he wasn't near them when the bandits attacked and the walkers got in. I'm sure he at least partially blames himself for not being there, and I will support this with something he says a bit after Katjaa's suicide. "I could've been a better father, a better father...
The truth is he isn't strong enough to get over it. He just CAN'T MOVE ON.
Clem is WAAAAAY stronger than Kenny - she's lost her parents, Lee, Omid, Christa is missing, her friends are also dead, and she says NOTHING, and she is 11 !
Kenny's one of the strongest, most capable people in the group. You saw how his combat skills have improved since Season One. In the first episode, I believe, though this is determinant, Larry knocks him out with one punch. But in Season Two, when Clementine goes to bring nails to the guys working on boarding things up in Carver's camp, Kenny restrains Mike even though Mike is evidently much stronger physically than he was, able to carry two large jugs of water later on in the season. He also survives Carver's beating, though most of the others (including Clementine) would have died. Even the rest of the group admits it, Nick saying, "Nice job, old man," and Mike saying, "You are one tough bastard." Not only is he strong physically, but mentally as well, though no one can stay strong forever. He manages to keep putting one foot in front of the other despite his losses, doing his best to protect the people around him that he has left and cares about. He could've gone completely insane, like the Stranger in Season One, the guy who essentially misleads Clementine and kidnaps her. If you remember, he also lost his wife and his child, as Kenny did and more, and he went completely wacko. The Stranger kept his wife's undead head in a bag, for Christ's sake, and talked to her! Kenny could've done the same thing, just gone completely off the edge, especially considering the fact that he lost more than the Stranger. He lost his wife, his child, his best friend, a little girl he cared about (for a period of time), his girlfriend, and his will to live (as you can tell by his confessing after Sarita's death that he wishes Carver had "finished him off.) But he didn't. He changed, yes, maybe for the worse, but he's NOT insane. Not like others we've seen in the game.
The only thing Kenny is capable of is to blame and yell at people. And also finding replacements of his dead family.
First of all, that's not ALL he's capable of. He's done a lot to help out the group, though he may not have always kept a level head. He had everyone's best interest at heart, though he may have been reckless in his attempts to escape from captivity. He even shares a few tender moments with Clem, when they first meet especially, where, depending on what you chose, Kenny can hug Clem, cry a little bit, or speak very kindly to her. Also, he shares a hug with Clementine later, after his beating, and there are other moments where he's very gentle toward Clementine, and nice toward others. His greeting to Reggie, for example, a simple, friendly "Heya," and his confessing to Clem about thinking about Duck, though I'm not sure if this is determinant or not. And when he does explode, you can't exactly blame him. I'm sure very few of you know what it's like to lose a child and a lover, and none of you know what it's like to be Kenny, his same personality and way of dealing with pain, and have that happen. Everyone expresses grief differently. I for one do the same thing Kenny does, well, twenty-five percent of the time. The other seventy-five, I completely shut down and withdraw, silently hating everyone who comes across me, being cold. I'm not saying this justifies his blaming Clem, but no matter your choice in dealing with Sarita, it was objectively her fault. She could've at least warned Sarita first (though I know this wasn't an option), but anything so Sarita was at least sort of prepared so they could've run afterwards. And, as I mentioned, people deal with grief in different ways, that's been shown in the game. Christa, for example, she was one of the ones who shut down, and you could tell she blamed Clementine for Omid's death, most likely leading to the death of her child. If the same rules you're applying to Kenny, those of you who don't like him for what he said to Clem, the same rules would apply to Christa, as well, but I don't see anyone ranting about her on here. Just pointing that out.
In conclusion, you're right, Kenny's actions aren't justified, but there have been people who've also made huge mistakes who've been forgiven on the game, as well. Lee killed a man. Clementine is responsible for a few people's deaths, as is Ben. To those of you who've forgiven Lily, or never hated her in the first place, she killed Carley/tried to kill someone else (I don't recall who) but killed Doug, instead. Luke had sex at the very worst time. Nick was an asshole to Clementine in the beginning. Christa blamed Clementine for Omid's death (silently, but not any less powerfully.) Bonnie was untruthful with the group, resulting in deaths and many injuries. So many people have made mistakes just as bad, even worse than Kenny's, but they have been forgiven. Kenny has killed or been responsible for anyone's death without. He killed Larry, yes, but if Larry had been dead, he would've turned and killed them all. You also may be saying that he was responsible for Walter's death, but he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger on Walt. Carver was. Kenny never thought Walt would die, and if he did, he wouldn't have fired his gun. Walter was his friend, remember. Just a word of advice, think twice accuse Kenny, or any other character, for that matter, of doing something wrong.
He's still not forgiven. I never liked him in Season 1. I just never liked his character. Okay, I get it, Ken has lost his wife, his kid, an… mored later on his girlfriend, but everyone has lost their loved ones, that don't make him special. The truth is he isn't strong enough to get over it. He just CAN'T MOVE ON. The only thing Kenny is capable of is to blame and yell at people. And also finding replacements of his dead family. Clem is WAAAAAY stronger than Kenny - she's lost her parents, Lee, Omid, Christa is missing, her friends are also dead, and she says NOTHING, and she is 11 ! I think Kenny is the one who needs to GROW THE FUCK UP !! bring me the hate !!!
You have some points, but pay attention to my second and third sentences. No matter how hard you're defending him, that won't change my opinion. What I'm saying is, Clem and Kenny have different personalities, and I don't like his personality. Period. But everyone here is allowed to share their opinion, and that's what I did, and that's what you did, so I respect that.
Okay, I get it, Ken has lost his wife, his kid, and later on his girlfriend, but everyone has lost their loved ones, that don't make him spe… morecial
Yes, that is true, everyone has lost someone, but not only has Kenny lost people, he lost the love of his life and his one and only child, in addition to that losing his girlfriend, who, in a way, took the place of Katjaa and assisted him in dealing with the grief of losing her. Furthermore, not only did his lose his wife and child in the beginning of the apocalypse, but you can expect he also blames himself for their deaths, because he wasn't near them when the bandits attacked and the walkers got in. I'm sure he at least partially blames himself for not being there, and I will support this with something he says a bit after Katjaa's suicide. "I could've been a better father, a better father...
The truth is he isn't strong enough to get over it. He just CAN'T MOVE ON.
Clem is WAAAA… [view original content]
I'm fine with that, but just the fact that you don't like his personality doesn't support anything else you said about him not being strong enough to move on or any of that. I understand everyone has their different opinions, but they are just that. Opinions. Not facts. I don't mean that rudely, I'm not saying your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying that just because you believe Kenny's a bad person or whatever, doesn't mean it's necessarily true in the long run, nor does it have the ability to make anything you say completely valid in the sense that, as a stated, an opinion can't support any accusations you make about a character.
You have some points, but pay attention to my second and third sentences. No matter how hard you're defending him, that won't change my opin… moreion. What I'm saying is, Clem and Kenny have different personalities, and I don't like his personality. Period. But everyone here is allowed to share their opinion, and that's what I did, and that's what you did, so I respect that.
My problem with Kenny is that there is no room in that kind of world to be disturbed for such a long period of time. He's putting everyone, including Clem (the priority in my opinion), at risk. He's not thinking rationally and is focusing too much on the bad that has happened. As Clem states, everybody has lost someone. But the "survivors" are able to keep a clear head and continue on. Clem's lost a lot, Jane's lost a lot, Lee's lost a lot, Christa, Molly, etc.. And they were able to keep thinking clearly and rationally. Kenny can't continue on like he is, he's a threat to himself and everybody around him.I really liked Kenny, so it's definitely sad to see him this way.
I've asked this question a couple times and haven't got any answer yet...
If Kenny cared for Sarita, why then would he not have stayed close to her in that walker herd. Y'know, the one that was potentially life threatening.
It seriously took the man like a good minute to get to her. And I'm starting the clock at the point the walker herd was attacking everyone after Carlos was shot.
Clementine killed about three walkers, ran to Sarita, had time to hack either her arm off or the walker, then another fifteen seconds for Kenny to see her. So ultimately it's HIS fault if anyones that she died. Where the fuck was he? Not watching the "love of his life."
When Lee and Clementine were walking through the herd at the end of Season 1, did he walk away from her? No, he kept her in his arms. Y'know why? Cause he cared for her, and wanted to make sure she was safe. Same for Carlos and Sarah in S2E3...
And don't tell me cause they were kids. If you love and care for someone, you'll watch their ass... closely. Kenny was WAY OFF somewhere else. So far he didn't even know Sarita was in danger until it was way too late.
Then had enough balls to put his failures onto Clementine.
Kenny was trying to help Mike clear a path and take out some of the walkers. His focus was on getting out of there, and trying to get everyone out , not only himself, but EVERYONE. At at moment his attention was otherwise occupied with the group in mind, so though he may have been a bit away from Sarita, he was still trying to do what he could to save all of them, including her.
Another thing to keep in mind is Sarita left the room and went outside before Kenny did, as Kenny was beating Carver to death, and so by then, I assume Sarita may have been already covered in guts, and may have gotten out into the herd before Kenny, so he was trying to make his way toward her. Another theory is at Kenny was about to get to her, a walker had just got in his way and tried to kill him, so he had to fi fish it off before getting to Sarita.
What do you expect? They were in a herd, walkers on all sides, and even when Kenny was trying to get to Sarita he probably got cut off a few times. It wasn't his fault she died, it was Sarita's own fault for not having a weapon to defend herself with and not being careful. Jane had the same amount of the walker scent on her as anyone else, and a weapon, and she survived. If Sarita had been smart enough to get something, anything, even a rock or a stick, she could've survived. So, it's Sarita's fault she died, not Kenny's.
Like I said, Kenny was trying to make it easier for everyone to get through, and the herd pushed him off in another direction. If he tried too much to fight against them, he probably would've been bitten. And, also, the only reason he blamed Clementine is probably because he felt guilty himself, hurt, and so needed to blame someone to make himself feel better. I'll admit, this doesn't justify it, but he's been through a lot. You can't expect to be completely forgiving and loving with all the pain that he's in.
I've asked this question a couple times and haven't got any answer yet...
If Kenny cared for Sarita, why then would he not have stayed cl… moreose to her in that walker herd. Y'know, the one that was potentially life threatening.
It seriously took the man like a good minute to get to her. And I'm starting the clock at the point the walker herd was attacking everyone after Carlos was shot.
Clementine killed about three walkers, ran to Sarita, had time to hack either her arm off or the walker, then another fifteen seconds for Kenny to see her. So ultimately it's HIS fault if anyones that she died. Where the fuck was he? Not watching the "love of his life."
When Lee and Clementine were walking through the herd at the end of Season 1, did he walk away from her? No, he kept her in his arms. Y'know why? Cause he cared for her, and wanted to make sure she was safe. Same for Carlos and Sarah in S2E3...
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They weren't suppose to "take out walkers," they were suppose to use the herd as a distraction to escape from the camp. Otherwise, what's the point of covering yourself if you're just gonna start killing them?
She left the room because she didn't want to see someone she thought was good do something so fucked up. Also, she didn't start smearing the guts and walking until everyone was outside. In fact, everyone waited patiently while Kenny was playing badass.
Ok, again, why then would someone as "protective" as Kenny not make sure his GF had something? And I think she had a screwdriver anyway, but it's the principle. Hell, Luke handed Clementine a hatchet. Did Kenny hand Sarita anything? No, he was ready to leave without even looking at Sarita.
I don't expect it, you're right. But I also don't expect him to wallow and sulk like a baby for half an episode when he could be trying... really trying to help other people that need it. What happened to Sarita was sad, sure. But Kenny acts like he is the only person to loose people. He places blame onto a girl whose been through just as much shit as he's been in (if not, debatably, more).
* Kenny was trying to help Mike clear a path and take out some of the walkers. His focus was on getting out of there, and trying to get ever… moreyone out , not only himself, but EVERYONE. At at moment his attention was otherwise occupied with the group in mind, so though he may have been a bit away from Sarita, he was still trying to do what he could to save all of them, including her.
* Another thing to keep in mind is Sarita left the room and went outside before Kenny did, as Kenny was beating Carver to death, and so by then, I assume Sarita may have been already covered in guts, and may have gotten out into the herd before Kenny, so he was trying to make his way toward her. Another theory is at Kenny was about to get to her, a walker had just got in his way and tried to kill him, so he had to fi fish it off before getting to Sarita.
* What do you expect? They were in a herd, walkers on all sides, and even when Kenny was trying to get to … [view original content]
Yes, they were using the herd as a distraction, that's true, but you saw how many of them there were. They can't just walk through them, because in they get too packed in with the walkers, they're going to start smelling the human behind the smell of the walker fluids, and then they'd all be goners.
Actually, yes, as I said, it was just a theory, but my other more logical theory was that the herd spread them out pretty effectively, a few walkers getting in Kenny's way, and he has to occupy himself with them before he can get anywhere, especially if they attack him.
If she did have something, she should've used it and been more careful. I'll admit, if she didn't have something, Kenny could've given her something, but who knows if he even had any other weapons beside his crowbar.
He never once made any sort of statement or action that he was the only one losing people, because I don't think Kenny's stupid enough to act like that. And yes, that is true, everyone has lost someone, but not only has Kenny lost people, he lost the love of his life and his one and only child, in addition to that losing his girlfriend, who, in a way, took the place of Katjaa and assisted him in dealing with the grief of losing her. Losing a child is supposed to be one of the most horrible things anyone could ever go through, the grief horrible. Furthermore, not only did his lose his wife and child in the beginning of the apocalypse, but you can expect he also blames himself for their deaths, because he wasn't near them when the bandits attacked and the walkers got in. I'm sure he at least partially blames himself for not being there, and I will support this with something he says a bit after Katjaa's suicide. "I could've been a better father, a better father... The same theory could be applied to Sarita's death. He might feel as if he could've done better, and so feels responsible for her death, at first, than tries to convince himself it was someone else's fault so the pain isn't as bad. And, he wasn't "sulking." He was depressed, as anyone would be in his position. He has literally lost his will to live. There's a huge difference between feeling sorry for yourself and feeling like there's no reason you should be alive anymore.
* They weren't suppose to "take out walkers," they were suppose to use the herd as a distraction to escape from the camp. Otherwise, what's … morethe point of covering yourself if you're just gonna start killing them?
* She left the room because she didn't want to see someone she thought was good do something so fucked up. Also, she didn't start smearing the guts and walking until everyone was outside. In fact, everyone waited patiently while Kenny was playing badass.
* Ok, again, why then would someone as "protective" as Kenny not make sure his GF had something? And I think she had a screwdriver anyway, but it's the principle. Hell, Luke handed Clementine a hatchet. Did Kenny hand Sarita anything? No, he was ready to leave without even looking at Sarita.
* I don't expect it, you're right. But I also don't expect him to wallow and sulk like a baby for half an episode when he could be trying... really trying to help other people that need i… [view original content]
I don't want to be the part of this discussion, but I'll leave you one small detail - if you listen careful enough when you're in the herd, you can hear Kenny calling Sarita and asking her to be closer to him.
* They weren't suppose to "take out walkers," they were suppose to use the herd as a distraction to escape from the camp. Otherwise, what's … morethe point of covering yourself if you're just gonna start killing them?
* She left the room because she didn't want to see someone she thought was good do something so fucked up. Also, she didn't start smearing the guts and walking until everyone was outside. In fact, everyone waited patiently while Kenny was playing badass.
* Ok, again, why then would someone as "protective" as Kenny not make sure his GF had something? And I think she had a screwdriver anyway, but it's the principle. Hell, Luke handed Clementine a hatchet. Did Kenny hand Sarita anything? No, he was ready to leave without even looking at Sarita.
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Snow-Hate just reeks of Mysogyny because Snow was the one who was always doing all the work and caring for the Fables yet didn't have the power to overthrow Crane, Likewise she had to put her foot down because Blue Beard was pretty much threatening to steal her throne and tell her and the fables how unreliable she was when she was the only reliable person around. Not going by the books means she's shown bias and is comparative to Crane who proceeds with underhanded dealings. So as much as i loved Auntie Greenleaf, Snow had every reason to want to get rid of her tree (i didnt go along with it of course) but Greenleaf's tree (and glamour) is what caused a huge problem with the dead girls and Crane pretty much banging Snow's image. She was violated and Auntie Greenleaf's tree was one of the cause.
Whereas Kenny may be hurting and torturing, His character is unstable at best and a hypocrite as well as a murderer at worst. Whereas Bigby works best with Snow holding the laws in her hand, Clem SHOULD be as far away from kenny as humanly possible because that man will not hesitate to explode on her in rage or shoot her should she turn against him (if you choose to cut sarita's arm vs Kenny saltlicking Larry, clem was there and saw this). He talks a big talk about family but will throw Clem and those close to Clem to the dogs if they go against him (Alvin's death in EP2 and Carlos' subsequent torture, both being family men) which is irradic when Kenny developed REALLY well at the end of S1. The fact that he makes the same mistakes but to a young 11 year old girl who is no stranger to loss is really quite pathetic and a huge threat to clem's safety.
The Kenny hate is very comparable to the hate that Snow gets from TWAU. Some people simply can't stand getting yelled at or being told what … moreto do.
Seriously, after episode three people were praising Kenny's name all over the forums. Then after he yells at Clementine one time in episode 4, he gets relentlessly hated on. Its kind of ridiculous, especially when all the good things he did in the episode get completely ignored.
But depending on how you play the game Lee murdering the man who slept with his wife varies. It can be in a blind fit or rage, self defense or an accident depending on your actions. Also LARRY's death WAS Murder. Kenny wanted to murder him despite the fact that LILLY was telling them he's NOT dead.
Idk about you, but I think a woman who's LIVED with her father for decades and knows his medical condition/seen his condition at its worst is a better judge of character than the madman flipping the fuck out and screaming that we have to murder him. Also People live from heart attacks all the time.
Kenny is a murderer. Kenny's temper and Moodiness causes him to abandon you and many other characters multiple times.
-He condemns Ben to death despite the fact that Ben's actions only INDIRECTLY caused Duck to get bit.
-All the times he ditches you if you don't agree with his actions once, then you have to plead to his good side. (Looking for clem after lee's bit, Stopping the train, Ditching you when you return to Everette Pharmacy, Not helping you when the Walkers attack in Savannah)
-And He hypocritically doesn't mind the Torture of Carlos at the end of Episode 2 and the Death of Alvin in that same Episode despite the fact that both of them are father's and family men (you suddenly only could remind him that Sarita's there). Doing what you can for family suddenly only applies to him and not these two gentlemen who helped Clem despite his speech that Clem is his family.
One comment I've seen a few times here is "Lee would kick Kenny's ass if he heard him speaking to Clem like that. .." or there abouts.
I lo… moreve Lee... love him. Broke my heart into a million pieces to say goodbye to the guy. And the more I play S1, the more attached I get. But let's not forget one thing here.
Lee is a murderer.
He was caught, he was convicted. He was found guilty and was on his way to jail for a very very very long time. Maybe even the death penalty.
But people forgave that because a/ he caught the guy sleeping with his wife. And b/ was kind to a little girl
Now if killing someone in anger isn't a reaction in the heat of the moment. I don't know what is?? Just because he was nice to a kid we can forgive him?
People here either condone rash actions or not. You can't side with Lee, but then go against a Kenny for doing the very thing Lee did that got him arrested. Nothing Kenny has said or done has compared to mur… [view original content]
Thanks for that tidbit.
I actually didn't hear that, but thanks. I probably just wasn't listening, haha.
So, essentially, Sarita could've been closer to Kenny, but she chose not to. SHE chose to be somewhere else. Not Kenny.
Well, thank you, kind miss.
I don't want to be the part of this discussion, but I'll leave you one small detail - if you listen careful enough when you're in the herd, you can hear Kenny calling Sarita and asking her to be closer to him.
I don't want to be the part of this discussion, but I'll leave you one small detail - if you listen careful enough when you're in the herd, you can hear Kenny calling Sarita and asking her to be closer to him.
While you're not wrong by any means, I still stand by this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ysH-uA_3w
Besides when you really think ab… moreout it at least Katja, Duck, and Sarita were spared being devoured by walkers, raped by bandits, or getting smashed in by saltlicks.
Lol what? wow you sure go outta your way to sugarcoat his irradic and Horrible behavior to Lee and Clementine with too much superficial justifications.
Everyone lost someone, Period. But Not everyone was a stone cold murderer. Kenny was a murderer, he MURDERED Larry. You can cry all you want about how Larry was a threat but he demanded to Crush Larry's head in despite Larry's daughter being right there (who might you forget, knows more about Larry's medical condition than Kenny does and that a heart attack doesn't mean Death). And the "He's a huge threat" is a load of Bull because Last i checked he wasn't stuck in a room with Clementine. Lee and Kenny are full grown adults and the turn would not have been that quick. Kenny was also more than willing to LET BEN DIE. Ben may mess up alot, but that kid never murdered ANYONE. He may have indirectly caused the death of many people but he himself never murdered anyone, the same can't be said about Kenny.
Ben also never had the leisure of being with his family during his Final moments. Neither did Clementine. Ben had parents and a younger sister who he doesnt even know is alive. consequently he was threatened by bandits and was told his friends and classmates were held hostage and possibly tortured the same way Jolene's daughter was. Atleast Kenny had his wife and Son for most of it, with Lee even bending backwards to help the guy and Kenny was even there for Sarita.
What about Lilly who had her dad's face crushed in by a murderer then had to keep leading a group with TWO murderers? Or Clementine who didn't even get to say goodbye to her parents and then had Lee taken away from her and inadvertently caused the death of Omid? Also how dare you drag Christa's behavior as if she'd stoop as low as Kenny.
Christa may have partially blamed Clementine but she still KEPT CLEMENTINE SAVE FOR 16 MONTHS. Also could Not rely on Clem for her pregnancy and thus loss of her baby. That woman was jaded for a reason but she still protected clementine and 16 months later, yeah she expected Clem to atleast learn to start a fire. Christa is someone who teaches. She approved of Lee teaching Clem to use a gun. Christa never abandons Clementine.
This is not even counting all the times he also quite easily Abandons you/turns against you from the slight disagreement and then you need to strenuously convince him and baby him till he agrees to help you find Clementine.
Despite Kenny's claims that Clem is like family, he easily ignores your pleas to not aggravate Carver which caused the Torture of Carlos and the possible Death of Alvin in Episode 2 which is a huge hypocricy on his "Family is most important" when Carlos is a father to Sarah and Alvin has a wife and a child on the way.
Then we have his B.S of him Yelling at clem that "she had no right to Kill Sarita" when Chopping her arm off had the miniscule chance to save her while He crushed Larry's head in. Clem's a bloody 11 year old and she Even SAW kenny do it in the meat locker. All of a sudden she's in the wrong and he yells at her then threatens to almost shoot her? The guy is unstable and a hypocrite with a horrible temper. Clem should be 500 Miles away from him.
I'm fine with that, but just the fact that you don't like his personality doesn't support anything else you said about him not being strong … moreenough to move on or any of that. I understand everyone has their different opinions, but they are just that. Opinions. Not facts. I don't mean that rudely, I'm not saying your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying that just because you believe Kenny's a bad person or whatever, doesn't mean it's necessarily true in the long run, nor does it have the ability to make anything you say completely valid in the sense that, as a stated, an opinion can't support any accusations you make about a character.
She "CHOSE" to be somewhere else? Wow, victim blaming much. How about he not wander off if he's the one with a crowbar and she's his girlfriend.
He also didn't just blame clementine, he almost damn near shot her. He had a gun and he sure as hell was contemplating to use it on her.Strange. Did Lilly ever decide she might Shoot Kenny for killing Larry? Nope, she still led the group and protected them despite the atrocity he commited. Yet Kenny was full near tempted to shoot an 11 year old in the head.
Thanks for that tidbit.
I actually didn't hear that, but thanks. I probably just wasn't listening, haha.
So, essentially, Sarita could'v… moree been closer to Kenny, but she chose not to. SHE chose to be somewhere else. Not Kenny.
Well, thank you, kind miss.
In my playthrough, Kenny doesn't do anything "irradic" or "horrible." He sticks by Lee and Clem, always tries to help out, and is overall pretty nice.
If you're going to apply the logic that Kenny was a murderer, first of all, Kenny only killed Larry because he believed the man was dying or already dead, and yes, he would've turned eventually, between a few seconds and a few minutes. His choice was completely valid, as Larry had at that point reached a point that even having the medication wouldn't have helped much, only professionals and their equipment. Larry would have turned, and he was a pretty damn big guy. That would be a lot of walker to handle, and pretty hard to deal with. And, also, last time I checked, he WAS stuck in a room with Clementine. She was right there in the meat locker with them when Larry had his heart attack.
Second of all, if you hate murderers so much, why don't you hate Lee? He killed someone BEFORE the apocalypse, but I don't see you saying anything about him. If Lee was held by the standards you hold Kenny by, Lee should be even below Kenny, because Lee didn't have any of the excuses like, "Oh, he died and he was going to turn, so I had to kill him." He killed a man in cold blood, and is the favorite character of nearly every person who plays or has seen others play The Walking Dead game.
And, as for him wanting to let Ben die, I'm sure most people out there would feel the same, including myself. Yes, Ben indirectly caused the death of Kenny's family, without meaning to, but he still caused it.
And yeah, you're right, Kenny doesn't like it when you disagree with him, because he feels like he's being betrayed. That irritates everyone sometimes. But you can't bring Clementine into the picture, as you're stating that he never cared about her, which isn't true. If you say Kenny's reaction to Clem's return in Episode Two of Season Two, he was incredibly glad to see her, affectionate, loving, and playful, even.
Him yelling at Clem isn't bullshit. What do you expect? He's just lost one of the only people he had left in the world, the woman he met after losing his wife and his child, for God's sakes, the one who eased his grief, helped him somewhat forget his pain. In addition to that, he feels like it's his fault, and all that pain is too much for him to handle. He has to vent somehow, blame someone, or else he really might crack. He's already been depressed. Any more added to that and he might commit suicide. Also, if you're thinking about it from Kenny's point of view, he doesn't know how good the chances are of a bitten limb being amputated. Yes, I know, he's seen Reggie, Reggie survived, but Lee didn't. And, also, I don't remember him threatening to shoot her. I may be wrong, but I don't believe he ever threatened to shoot her. And, finally, I think quite the opposite of you. Clem should be as close to him as she can get, because at least Kenny keeps everyone's best interests at heart, and doesn't sleep with people, isn't cold and heartless, and isn't completely insane like others we've met. Also, he's a pretty damn strong guy, both physically and mentally, a good person to have around.
Lol what? wow you sure go outta your way to sugarcoat his irradic and Horrible behavior to Lee and Clementine with too much superficial just… moreifications.
Everyone lost someone, Period. But Not everyone was a stone cold murderer. Kenny was a murderer, he MURDERED Larry. You can cry all you want about how Larry was a threat but he demanded to Crush Larry's head in despite Larry's daughter being right there (who might you forget, knows more about Larry's medical condition than Kenny does and that a heart attack doesn't mean Death). And the "He's a huge threat" is a load of Bull because Last i checked he wasn't stuck in a room with Clementine. Lee and Kenny are full grown adults and the turn would not have been that quick. Kenny was also more than willing to LET BEN DIE. Ben may mess up alot, but that kid never murdered ANYONE. He may have indirectly caused the death of many people but he himself never murdered anyone, the same can't be said about… [view original content]
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It may be true that not everyone would act the way Kenny did, but unless people have gone through the same/similar experiences then nobody can actually know how they would react. It's easy to say "Oh man, I would never say the things that Kenny said," when you haven't gone through all the tragedies that he has. The man lost his wife and son, nearly died, then he lost a good friend, his eye, then his new girlfriend. I don't feel that anyone who hasn't gone through that or something similar can really judge him. That is a lot of loss. It's a miracle that the guy has kept going this long.
And what Kenny was saying, while hurtful, was completely true. Clem got Lee and Omid killed. In Omid's case it was more of a failure on everyone's parts, but Clem still played a significant role in his death.
I really don't blame the guy, however, I didn't stand up, In-fact, I barely said anything, I actually let him talk, and let him blow off steam, and said one thing at the end, and he got up and helped the group.
Yeah, I probably could have come up with a more serious analogy... but the point is that it was meant to emphasize how Kenny's situation isn't special; literally everyone else in the entire world is suffering what he's going through, and few react as childishly as he does. His response if you tell him in the tent that everyone is suffering is a bitter "The hell do you know Clem!?"
This is exactly what I'm talking about. His grief and anger is completely justified, I'm not arguing that. What irritates me is Kenny's belief that he's special, that no one understands what he's going through when, yes, everyone does understand. Clem can tell him she's lost her parents and Lee, to which he responds by saying "I don't need to hear this shit." What shit, Kenny? Can't accept the fact that everyone has lost loved ones?
Amen!!!!
so can i, but at the same time people tend to forget that Lee isn't some completely defined personality. I'm sure HIS/HER lee would do that, and i can agree that my Lee wouldn't have let Clem go to the meeting place, but mine would have probably agreed with Kenny on Carver, granted he would have told Clem to wait outside but he wouldn't be pissed at Kenny for what he did at all. (feel like i should mention that my Lee and Kenny did not end as friends after he was wishy washy on helping him save clem, i chose the 'F*ck You line) However I agree that mine would have kicked Kenny's a** for what he said to her afterwards.
I'm going to also say this, IF Clem chose to cut off Saritas arm (like mine did), i personally somewhat agree with his sentiment that Clementine can't just say sorry and make it better because she was a kid, she either indirectly or directly responsible for Sarita depending on if you chose to axe her or not. He was a dick to say it like that but I can understand what he means, it's like what Chuck said "You gotta consider her a living person, that's it! You're either living or you're not. You ain't little, you ain't a girl, you ain't a boy, you ain't strong or smart, you're alive." Being a kid doesn't count as an excuse in this world. My clementine felt she had to make a call, and cutting off her arm was the only shot she had to make it at all. However it was a bad call that got her killed, she tried to help but messed up. Regardless of Intentions, Sarita died because of it, She defended herself when Kenny yelled at her about it but never argued against the fact that Sarita died because of her. I say this not to defend Kenny,who as i said above took it way too far, but to say that Clementine will need to become self reliant given the groups current situation and the first step towards that is taking responsibility for her screw ups.
on the other hand, if you didn't cut off Saritas arm and he still b**ches you out then he is without a doubt in the wrong as there was literally nothing she could do, and he comes off as a complete a****hole in that choice. With all of that said, if there is an option on who to stick with at the end of Ep. 5, i REALLY hope either/both Bonnie and Mike make it because if not i think i might make Clementine go off on her own. I respect Kenny but he is losing it, and while i think Luke is more stable and i like him i don't trust his judgement enough to stick with him over the others.
I still don't think it's okay how he yelled at Clem. He lost Katjaa, Duck and Sarita, yea i know, EVERYONE lost people. Clem tried to save Sarita by doing what she though was the right choice. Clem is a little girl, 11 years old who lost more than him. She lost her parents, Lee, Omid and probably Christa too. She didn't get to say goodbye to her parents, Omid and not really Christa either. Kenny said goodbye to his family and Sarita, he should be glad about that. He was lucky enough to get to say goodbye. Clem is about 100000000% more tough than anyone else is. People are threating her like shit (hitting her, yelling at her, making her do things). Clem could've yelled at Kenny because of her loved ones deads, but she didn't. In my opinion everyone could just die, but not Clem.
Childish? Immature? Just because I don't think Kenny deserves a free pass to just take his anger out any way he feels like makes me childish? It's not because he yelled at me it's because he refuses to act like a rational human being in a very difficult situation like this! Sarah is different, Carlos said from the beginning that she would "cease to function" if she faced the horrible reality. THAT is an excuse to be a little irrational She wasn't prepared AT ALL. Kenny knew the world was a fucked up place. There is no equation that says
"If this person dies in this way you are allowed to react in this way"
Also you don't know me so you have no right to deem me childish and immature, I think it's pretty immature of yourself to do over a GAME and differing opinion.
Youre right, I can only speak for myself just like you can only speak for yourself. Yet, every single character in the game has been hurt and lost a lot of people that they cared about and Kenny has been the only one losing it on everyone. And its not even that. If it was just his loses I could understand, but Kenny has been acting off the rails since almost the beginning. Its part of his character. I still remember the many times Kenny would pounce on my Lee over nothing and how irritated it was making me. And Clem did not get Lee and Omid killed. Their own actions got them killed. That they got into those situations trying to protect her made them brave, noble, good men but, I think they would both agree that it wasnt her fault. It bugs me that people keep saying she got them killed like it was deliberate on her part. What a burden to put on an 8 or 9 year old girl.
I sure wasnt one of those people. I havent been a fan of Kenny's since the non-bro speech of season 1.
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You are amazing, sir. Take my upvote!
For sure there are exceptions.
That's just speculation on your part. Never once does he single himself out as the only one who has had to go through his pain. He is simply sulking literally hours after losing another loved one in a horrific sort of way. What is so bad about that? It would be different if he was sulking a long time after the death, but that isn't the case. Instead he pulls himself together and goes to deliver a baby. Is that man not allowed to grieve?
He didn't say "I don't need to hear this shit" in reference to Clem talking about having to shoot Lee. He was clearly saddened when he heard that. His fiery response came when Clem told him to not be an asshole. Her line was pretty combative.
Perfectly put! He didnt need to be reminded of his losses, because losing Lee was a huge loss to Kenny too!
I never did speak for anyone but myself. While everyone has lost people, Kenny has lost more than most. Clem has lost more, but only her. Nobody else has really matched Kenny in terms of loss. Kenny does have quite the temper, and it is central to his character, but by this point he has more than enough reason to be angry. And you know what? He got over it in less than a day after Sarita died. That's the part that matters to me. He didn't hold a grudge and he came to his senses. In that case, I can handle a few hurtful words.
Clem most certainly did get Lee and Omid killed. Just like Ben got Katjaa, Duck, and Chuck killed. She didn't mean for it to happen, but it did. Especially Lee's death. Of course Lee and Omid would agree that it wasn't her fault. They were cool people and didn't want to cause her any pain, but objectively, yes, she did get them killed. Her running away is what led Lee to get bitten. She left the gun in the sink that would be used to kill Omid. I don't hate her for it just like I don't hate Ben for the deaths he caused, but it was still her fault. Those are just the facts.
One comment I've seen a few times here is "Lee would kick Kenny's ass if he heard him speaking to Clem like that. .." or there abouts.
I love Lee... love him. Broke my heart into a million pieces to say goodbye to the guy. And the more I play S1, the more attached I get. But let's not forget one thing here.
Lee is a murderer.
He was caught, he was convicted. He was found guilty and was on his way to jail for a very very very long time. Maybe even the death penalty.
But people forgave that because a/ he caught the guy sleeping with his wife. And b/ was kind to a little girl
Now if killing someone in anger isn't a reaction in the heat of the moment. I don't know what is?? Just because he was nice to a kid we can forgive him?
People here either condone rash actions or not. You can't side with Lee, but then go against a Kenny for doing the very thing Lee did that got him arrested. Nothing Kenny has said or done has compared to murder.
Not even killing Larry, because that was self defence in extreme circumstances. Lees murder was pre - apocalypse.
Yes Kenny has a temper, but I don't think he is capable.of murder in the pre-zombie world. Lee was.
So how can we go on acting like Lee was a saint, when he had the ultimate reaction of killing someone in the heat of the moment, yet vilify Kenny, who essentially was the victim having just lost a loved one. For shouting at a little girl?
Her actions are facts. Your believe that they mean she got people killed is an opinion that I don't share. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
He's still not forgiven. I never liked him in Season 1. I just never liked his character. Okay, I get it, Ken has lost his wife, his kid, and later on his girlfriend, but everyone has lost their loved ones, that don't make him special. The truth is he isn't strong enough to get over it. He just CAN'T MOVE ON. The only thing Kenny is capable of is to blame and yell at people. And also finding replacements of his dead family. Clem is WAAAAAY stronger than Kenny - she's lost her parents, Lee, Omid, Christa is missing, her friends are also dead, and she says NOTHING, and she is 11 ! I think Kenny is the one who needs to GROW THE FUCK UP !! bring me the hate !!!
And Clem didn't need to be reminded of the guilt she has for basically getting lee and omid killed
I suppose so.
This^^
How can we vilify Lilly when we've forgiven Lee? How can we forget Sarita for being the one who died?
Personally, my annoyance with Kenny is less to do with the character himself than with the way he's become so obsessed over by the fanbase and by how the writers themselves underwrite other characters so that they can focus just on his grief. While it's understandable for him to be sad, the fact that you can't even apologize to Sarita accidentally confirms Kenny's mindset that the world revolves around solely around his feelings.
Really, I think it's my anger at Sarita being confirmed to be nothing more than cannon fodder for Kenny's grief that makes me disillusioned with the writers. They really wanted to focus on him rather than stick with developing the cabin members' stories to a better degree. What if NICK, Kenny's look-alike, was the one doing his reckless decisions and gradually having his friendship with Luke unravel because of his grief?
Yes, that is true, everyone has lost someone, but not only has Kenny lost people, he lost the love of his life and his one and only child, in addition to that losing his girlfriend, who, in a way, took the place of Katjaa and assisted him in dealing with the grief of losing her. Furthermore, not only did his lose his wife and child in the beginning of the apocalypse, but you can expect he also blames himself for their deaths, because he wasn't near them when the bandits attacked and the walkers got in. I'm sure he at least partially blames himself for not being there, and I will support this with something he says a bit after Katjaa's suicide. "I could've been a better father, a better father...
Kenny's one of the strongest, most capable people in the group. You saw how his combat skills have improved since Season One. In the first episode, I believe, though this is determinant, Larry knocks him out with one punch. But in Season Two, when Clementine goes to bring nails to the guys working on boarding things up in Carver's camp, Kenny restrains Mike even though Mike is evidently much stronger physically than he was, able to carry two large jugs of water later on in the season. He also survives Carver's beating, though most of the others (including Clementine) would have died. Even the rest of the group admits it, Nick saying, "Nice job, old man," and Mike saying, "You are one tough bastard." Not only is he strong physically, but mentally as well, though no one can stay strong forever. He manages to keep putting one foot in front of the other despite his losses, doing his best to protect the people around him that he has left and cares about. He could've gone completely insane, like the Stranger in Season One, the guy who essentially misleads Clementine and kidnaps her. If you remember, he also lost his wife and his child, as Kenny did and more, and he went completely wacko. The Stranger kept his wife's undead head in a bag, for Christ's sake, and talked to her! Kenny could've done the same thing, just gone completely off the edge, especially considering the fact that he lost more than the Stranger. He lost his wife, his child, his best friend, a little girl he cared about (for a period of time), his girlfriend, and his will to live (as you can tell by his confessing after Sarita's death that he wishes Carver had "finished him off.) But he didn't. He changed, yes, maybe for the worse, but he's NOT insane. Not like others we've seen in the game.
First of all, that's not ALL he's capable of. He's done a lot to help out the group, though he may not have always kept a level head. He had everyone's best interest at heart, though he may have been reckless in his attempts to escape from captivity. He even shares a few tender moments with Clem, when they first meet especially, where, depending on what you chose, Kenny can hug Clem, cry a little bit, or speak very kindly to her. Also, he shares a hug with Clementine later, after his beating, and there are other moments where he's very gentle toward Clementine, and nice toward others. His greeting to Reggie, for example, a simple, friendly "Heya," and his confessing to Clem about thinking about Duck, though I'm not sure if this is determinant or not. And when he does explode, you can't exactly blame him. I'm sure very few of you know what it's like to lose a child and a lover, and none of you know what it's like to be Kenny, his same personality and way of dealing with pain, and have that happen. Everyone expresses grief differently. I for one do the same thing Kenny does, well, twenty-five percent of the time. The other seventy-five, I completely shut down and withdraw, silently hating everyone who comes across me, being cold. I'm not saying this justifies his blaming Clem, but no matter your choice in dealing with Sarita, it was objectively her fault. She could've at least warned Sarita first (though I know this wasn't an option), but anything so Sarita was at least sort of prepared so they could've run afterwards. And, as I mentioned, people deal with grief in different ways, that's been shown in the game. Christa, for example, she was one of the ones who shut down, and you could tell she blamed Clementine for Omid's death, most likely leading to the death of her child. If the same rules you're applying to Kenny, those of you who don't like him for what he said to Clem, the same rules would apply to Christa, as well, but I don't see anyone ranting about her on here. Just pointing that out.
In conclusion, you're right, Kenny's actions aren't justified, but there have been people who've also made huge mistakes who've been forgiven on the game, as well. Lee killed a man. Clementine is responsible for a few people's deaths, as is Ben. To those of you who've forgiven Lily, or never hated her in the first place, she killed Carley/tried to kill someone else (I don't recall who) but killed Doug, instead. Luke had sex at the very worst time. Nick was an asshole to Clementine in the beginning. Christa blamed Clementine for Omid's death (silently, but not any less powerfully.) Bonnie was untruthful with the group, resulting in deaths and many injuries. So many people have made mistakes just as bad, even worse than Kenny's, but they have been forgiven. Kenny has killed or been responsible for anyone's death without. He killed Larry, yes, but if Larry had been dead, he would've turned and killed them all. You also may be saying that he was responsible for Walter's death, but he wasn't the one who pulled the trigger on Walt. Carver was. Kenny never thought Walt would die, and if he did, he wouldn't have fired his gun. Walter was his friend, remember. Just a word of advice, think twice accuse Kenny, or any other character, for that matter, of doing something wrong.
You have some points, but pay attention to my second and third sentences. No matter how hard you're defending him, that won't change my opinion. What I'm saying is, Clem and Kenny have different personalities, and I don't like his personality. Period. But everyone here is allowed to share their opinion, and that's what I did, and that's what you did, so I respect that.
I'm fine with that, but just the fact that you don't like his personality doesn't support anything else you said about him not being strong enough to move on or any of that. I understand everyone has their different opinions, but they are just that. Opinions. Not facts. I don't mean that rudely, I'm not saying your opinion doesn't matter. I'm just saying that just because you believe Kenny's a bad person or whatever, doesn't mean it's necessarily true in the long run, nor does it have the ability to make anything you say completely valid in the sense that, as a stated, an opinion can't support any accusations you make about a character.
My problem with Kenny is that there is no room in that kind of world to be disturbed for such a long period of time. He's putting everyone, including Clem (the priority in my opinion), at risk. He's not thinking rationally and is focusing too much on the bad that has happened. As Clem states, everybody has lost someone. But the "survivors" are able to keep a clear head and continue on. Clem's lost a lot, Jane's lost a lot, Lee's lost a lot, Christa, Molly, etc.. And they were able to keep thinking clearly and rationally. Kenny can't continue on like he is, he's a threat to himself and everybody around him.I really liked Kenny, so it's definitely sad to see him this way.
I've asked this question a couple times and haven't got any answer yet...
If Kenny cared for Sarita, why then would he not have stayed close to her in that walker herd. Y'know, the one that was potentially life threatening.
It seriously took the man like a good minute to get to her. And I'm starting the clock at the point the walker herd was attacking everyone after Carlos was shot.
Clementine killed about three walkers, ran to Sarita, had time to hack either her arm off or the walker, then another fifteen seconds for Kenny to see her. So ultimately it's HIS fault if anyones that she died. Where the fuck was he? Not watching the "love of his life."
When Lee and Clementine were walking through the herd at the end of Season 1, did he walk away from her? No, he kept her in his arms. Y'know why? Cause he cared for her, and wanted to make sure she was safe. Same for Carlos and Sarah in S2E3...
And don't tell me cause they were kids. If you love and care for someone, you'll watch their ass... closely. Kenny was WAY OFF somewhere else. So far he didn't even know Sarita was in danger until it was way too late.
Then had enough balls to put his failures onto Clementine.
FUCK KENNY FOR LIFE
Kenny was trying to help Mike clear a path and take out some of the walkers. His focus was on getting out of there, and trying to get everyone out , not only himself, but EVERYONE. At at moment his attention was otherwise occupied with the group in mind, so though he may have been a bit away from Sarita, he was still trying to do what he could to save all of them, including her.
Another thing to keep in mind is Sarita left the room and went outside before Kenny did, as Kenny was beating Carver to death, and so by then, I assume Sarita may have been already covered in guts, and may have gotten out into the herd before Kenny, so he was trying to make his way toward her. Another theory is at Kenny was about to get to her, a walker had just got in his way and tried to kill him, so he had to fi fish it off before getting to Sarita.
What do you expect? They were in a herd, walkers on all sides, and even when Kenny was trying to get to Sarita he probably got cut off a few times. It wasn't his fault she died, it was Sarita's own fault for not having a weapon to defend herself with and not being careful. Jane had the same amount of the walker scent on her as anyone else, and a weapon, and she survived. If Sarita had been smart enough to get something, anything, even a rock or a stick, she could've survived. So, it's Sarita's fault she died, not Kenny's.
Like I said, Kenny was trying to make it easier for everyone to get through, and the herd pushed him off in another direction. If he tried too much to fight against them, he probably would've been bitten. And, also, the only reason he blamed Clementine is probably because he felt guilty himself, hurt, and so needed to blame someone to make himself feel better. I'll admit, this doesn't justify it, but he's been through a lot. You can't expect to be completely forgiving and loving with all the pain that he's in.
They weren't suppose to "take out walkers," they were suppose to use the herd as a distraction to escape from the camp. Otherwise, what's the point of covering yourself if you're just gonna start killing them?
She left the room because she didn't want to see someone she thought was good do something so fucked up. Also, she didn't start smearing the guts and walking until everyone was outside. In fact, everyone waited patiently while Kenny was playing badass.
Ok, again, why then would someone as "protective" as Kenny not make sure his GF had something? And I think she had a screwdriver anyway, but it's the principle. Hell, Luke handed Clementine a hatchet. Did Kenny hand Sarita anything? No, he was ready to leave without even looking at Sarita.
I don't expect it, you're right. But I also don't expect him to wallow and sulk like a baby for half an episode when he could be trying... really trying to help other people that need it. What happened to Sarita was sad, sure. But Kenny acts like he is the only person to loose people. He places blame onto a girl whose been through just as much shit as he's been in (if not, debatably, more).
Yes, they were using the herd as a distraction, that's true, but you saw how many of them there were. They can't just walk through them, because in they get too packed in with the walkers, they're going to start smelling the human behind the smell of the walker fluids, and then they'd all be goners.
Actually, yes, as I said, it was just a theory, but my other more logical theory was that the herd spread them out pretty effectively, a few walkers getting in Kenny's way, and he has to occupy himself with them before he can get anywhere, especially if they attack him.
If she did have something, she should've used it and been more careful. I'll admit, if she didn't have something, Kenny could've given her something, but who knows if he even had any other weapons beside his crowbar.
He never once made any sort of statement or action that he was the only one losing people, because I don't think Kenny's stupid enough to act like that. And yes, that is true, everyone has lost someone, but not only has Kenny lost people, he lost the love of his life and his one and only child, in addition to that losing his girlfriend, who, in a way, took the place of Katjaa and assisted him in dealing with the grief of losing her. Losing a child is supposed to be one of the most horrible things anyone could ever go through, the grief horrible. Furthermore, not only did his lose his wife and child in the beginning of the apocalypse, but you can expect he also blames himself for their deaths, because he wasn't near them when the bandits attacked and the walkers got in. I'm sure he at least partially blames himself for not being there, and I will support this with something he says a bit after Katjaa's suicide. "I could've been a better father, a better father... The same theory could be applied to Sarita's death. He might feel as if he could've done better, and so feels responsible for her death, at first, than tries to convince himself it was someone else's fault so the pain isn't as bad. And, he wasn't "sulking." He was depressed, as anyone would be in his position. He has literally lost his will to live. There's a huge difference between feeling sorry for yourself and feeling like there's no reason you should be alive anymore.
I don't want to be the part of this discussion, but I'll leave you one small detail - if you listen careful enough when you're in the herd, you can hear Kenny calling Sarita and asking her to be closer to him.
I don't think its comparable.
Snow-Hate just reeks of Mysogyny because Snow was the one who was always doing all the work and caring for the Fables yet didn't have the power to overthrow Crane, Likewise she had to put her foot down because Blue Beard was pretty much threatening to steal her throne and tell her and the fables how unreliable she was when she was the only reliable person around. Not going by the books means she's shown bias and is comparative to Crane who proceeds with underhanded dealings. So as much as i loved Auntie Greenleaf, Snow had every reason to want to get rid of her tree (i didnt go along with it of course) but Greenleaf's tree (and glamour) is what caused a huge problem with the dead girls and Crane pretty much banging Snow's image. She was violated and Auntie Greenleaf's tree was one of the cause.
Whereas Kenny may be hurting and torturing, His character is unstable at best and a hypocrite as well as a murderer at worst. Whereas Bigby works best with Snow holding the laws in her hand, Clem SHOULD be as far away from kenny as humanly possible because that man will not hesitate to explode on her in rage or shoot her should she turn against him (if you choose to cut sarita's arm vs Kenny saltlicking Larry, clem was there and saw this). He talks a big talk about family but will throw Clem and those close to Clem to the dogs if they go against him (Alvin's death in EP2 and Carlos' subsequent torture, both being family men) which is irradic when Kenny developed REALLY well at the end of S1. The fact that he makes the same mistakes but to a young 11 year old girl who is no stranger to loss is really quite pathetic and a huge threat to clem's safety.
But depending on how you play the game Lee murdering the man who slept with his wife varies. It can be in a blind fit or rage, self defense or an accident depending on your actions. Also LARRY's death WAS Murder. Kenny wanted to murder him despite the fact that LILLY was telling them he's NOT dead.
Idk about you, but I think a woman who's LIVED with her father for decades and knows his medical condition/seen his condition at its worst is a better judge of character than the madman flipping the fuck out and screaming that we have to murder him. Also People live from heart attacks all the time.
Kenny is a murderer. Kenny's temper and Moodiness causes him to abandon you and many other characters multiple times.
-He condemns Ben to death despite the fact that Ben's actions only INDIRECTLY caused Duck to get bit.
-All the times he ditches you if you don't agree with his actions once, then you have to plead to his good side. (Looking for clem after lee's bit, Stopping the train, Ditching you when you return to Everette Pharmacy, Not helping you when the Walkers attack in Savannah)
-And He hypocritically doesn't mind the Torture of Carlos at the end of Episode 2 and the Death of Alvin in that same Episode despite the fact that both of them are father's and family men (you suddenly only could remind him that Sarita's there). Doing what you can for family suddenly only applies to him and not these two gentlemen who helped Clem despite his speech that Clem is his family.
Thanks for that tidbit.
I actually didn't hear that, but thanks. I probably just wasn't listening, haha.
So, essentially, Sarita could've been closer to Kenny, but she chose not to. SHE chose to be somewhere else. Not Kenny.
Well, thank you, kind miss.
Hmmm, I don't exactly agree, but i won't downvote you.
I think you meant herd, but nerd could work too I suppose. :P
Well... Sarita had a much worse death than Katja and Duck, but I agree. I would have easily chosen this option had I seen it haha.
Lol what? wow you sure go outta your way to sugarcoat his irradic and Horrible behavior to Lee and Clementine with too much superficial justifications.
Everyone lost someone, Period. But Not everyone was a stone cold murderer. Kenny was a murderer, he MURDERED Larry. You can cry all you want about how Larry was a threat but he demanded to Crush Larry's head in despite Larry's daughter being right there (who might you forget, knows more about Larry's medical condition than Kenny does and that a heart attack doesn't mean Death). And the "He's a huge threat" is a load of Bull because Last i checked he wasn't stuck in a room with Clementine. Lee and Kenny are full grown adults and the turn would not have been that quick. Kenny was also more than willing to LET BEN DIE. Ben may mess up alot, but that kid never murdered ANYONE. He may have indirectly caused the death of many people but he himself never murdered anyone, the same can't be said about Kenny.
Ben also never had the leisure of being with his family during his Final moments. Neither did Clementine. Ben had parents and a younger sister who he doesnt even know is alive. consequently he was threatened by bandits and was told his friends and classmates were held hostage and possibly tortured the same way Jolene's daughter was. Atleast Kenny had his wife and Son for most of it, with Lee even bending backwards to help the guy and Kenny was even there for Sarita.
What about Lilly who had her dad's face crushed in by a murderer then had to keep leading a group with TWO murderers? Or Clementine who didn't even get to say goodbye to her parents and then had Lee taken away from her and inadvertently caused the death of Omid? Also how dare you drag Christa's behavior as if she'd stoop as low as Kenny.
Christa may have partially blamed Clementine but she still KEPT CLEMENTINE SAVE FOR 16 MONTHS. Also could Not rely on Clem for her pregnancy and thus loss of her baby. That woman was jaded for a reason but she still protected clementine and 16 months later, yeah she expected Clem to atleast learn to start a fire. Christa is someone who teaches. She approved of Lee teaching Clem to use a gun. Christa never abandons Clementine.
This is not even counting all the times he also quite easily Abandons you/turns against you from the slight disagreement and then you need to strenuously convince him and baby him till he agrees to help you find Clementine.
Despite Kenny's claims that Clem is like family, he easily ignores your pleas to not aggravate Carver which caused the Torture of Carlos and the possible Death of Alvin in Episode 2 which is a huge hypocricy on his "Family is most important" when Carlos is a father to Sarah and Alvin has a wife and a child on the way.
Then we have his B.S of him Yelling at clem that "she had no right to Kill Sarita" when Chopping her arm off had the miniscule chance to save her while He crushed Larry's head in. Clem's a bloody 11 year old and she Even SAW kenny do it in the meat locker. All of a sudden she's in the wrong and he yells at her then threatens to almost shoot her? The guy is unstable and a hypocrite with a horrible temper. Clem should be 500 Miles away from him.
She "CHOSE" to be somewhere else? Wow, victim blaming much. How about he not wander off if he's the one with a crowbar and she's his girlfriend.
He also didn't just blame clementine, he almost damn near shot her. He had a gun and he sure as hell was contemplating to use it on her.Strange. Did Lilly ever decide she might Shoot Kenny for killing Larry? Nope, she still led the group and protected them despite the atrocity he commited. Yet Kenny was full near tempted to shoot an 11 year old in the head.
In my playthrough, Kenny doesn't do anything "irradic" or "horrible." He sticks by Lee and Clem, always tries to help out, and is overall pretty nice.
If you're going to apply the logic that Kenny was a murderer, first of all, Kenny only killed Larry because he believed the man was dying or already dead, and yes, he would've turned eventually, between a few seconds and a few minutes. His choice was completely valid, as Larry had at that point reached a point that even having the medication wouldn't have helped much, only professionals and their equipment. Larry would have turned, and he was a pretty damn big guy. That would be a lot of walker to handle, and pretty hard to deal with. And, also, last time I checked, he WAS stuck in a room with Clementine. She was right there in the meat locker with them when Larry had his heart attack.
Second of all, if you hate murderers so much, why don't you hate Lee? He killed someone BEFORE the apocalypse, but I don't see you saying anything about him. If Lee was held by the standards you hold Kenny by, Lee should be even below Kenny, because Lee didn't have any of the excuses like, "Oh, he died and he was going to turn, so I had to kill him." He killed a man in cold blood, and is the favorite character of nearly every person who plays or has seen others play The Walking Dead game.
And, as for him wanting to let Ben die, I'm sure most people out there would feel the same, including myself. Yes, Ben indirectly caused the death of Kenny's family, without meaning to, but he still caused it.
And yeah, you're right, Kenny doesn't like it when you disagree with him, because he feels like he's being betrayed. That irritates everyone sometimes. But you can't bring Clementine into the picture, as you're stating that he never cared about her, which isn't true. If you say Kenny's reaction to Clem's return in Episode Two of Season Two, he was incredibly glad to see her, affectionate, loving, and playful, even.
Him yelling at Clem isn't bullshit. What do you expect? He's just lost one of the only people he had left in the world, the woman he met after losing his wife and his child, for God's sakes, the one who eased his grief, helped him somewhat forget his pain. In addition to that, he feels like it's his fault, and all that pain is too much for him to handle. He has to vent somehow, blame someone, or else he really might crack. He's already been depressed. Any more added to that and he might commit suicide. Also, if you're thinking about it from Kenny's point of view, he doesn't know how good the chances are of a bitten limb being amputated. Yes, I know, he's seen Reggie, Reggie survived, but Lee didn't. And, also, I don't remember him threatening to shoot her. I may be wrong, but I don't believe he ever threatened to shoot her. And, finally, I think quite the opposite of you. Clem should be as close to him as she can get, because at least Kenny keeps everyone's best interests at heart, and doesn't sleep with people, isn't cold and heartless, and isn't completely insane like others we've met. Also, he's a pretty damn strong guy, both physically and mentally, a good person to have around.