He was lashing out at everyone and everything, he asked Clementine to just leave him alone before he started up about it too. He just wanted to be left alone to grieve and everyone was trying to talk to him when he didn't want to, and Clementine knew it too, but the others pushed her into talking to him. So I'd blame Mike and Bonnie for bugging a grieving man then getting a little girl to bug him more.
And honestly, I think him yelling at Clementine briefly should be excused because the day before that, he had taken a severe(nearly fatal) beating for Clementine when no one else was willing to.
I can't excuse him for berating Clem for 'not even trying to help Sarita' because he's much more at fault for A) not being with her and not even being willing to do anything to help her.
Well, he just saves Lee because there happens to be a zombie to kill, and why would he willingly let Lee die when everyone else is there watching?
In episode 1 it was just him and Lee alone, he could get away with it, and he tried his best to get Lee killed. Right after Lee risked his own life to get Larry's medication too.
Well, he just saves Lee because there happens to be a zombie to kill, and why would he willingly let Lee die when everyone else is there wat… moreching?
In episode 1 it was just him and Lee alone, he could get away with it, and he tried his best to get Lee killed. Right after Lee risked his own life to get Larry's medication too.
That's a good point, but he didn't exactly have time to devise a strategy to get Lee killed then. And even if he had missed, someone probably would have blamed him for letting Lee die(no one really liked him at all other than Lilly, but Kenny probably would have been the first to blame him).
That's a good point, but he didn't exactly have time to devise a strategy to get Lee killed then. And even if he had missed, someone probab… morely would have blamed him for letting Lee die(no one really liked him at all other than Lilly, but Kenny probably would have been the first to blame him).
making Lilly emotionally unstable, leading to the death of Doug/Carley. I do not exclude Ben from this
There are so many wrong things in your post, but this one is the most baffling.
So everyone but the person who actually pulled the trigger is responsible.
Mind blown, I don't even.
Your whole rant, utter bullshit in my book.
Gee it's fun how you say this, considering Kenny was the one who made sure Ben didn't suffer more than he had to and saved Lee's ass when Larry punched him. He also saved the whole group when you were being attacked by the bandits and when he had to kill Larry for everyone's safety.
Oooh what a scumbag Kenny is!
I remembered even more Kenny moment. At the beginning of Long Road Ahead if previously you did not agree with him that leaving is the right … morething to do, he comments on the rest of the group saying: "... Carley/Doug will stick with you, just because of that ONE time you saved her/him. And what do I get ? That dip-shit Ben." I did not quote exactly how he called Ben, but it was still an insult. Some people ( Carley/Doug ), unlike Kenny, will appreciate even one thing you did for them. Saving someone's live is, to be fair, the biggest thing you could do for him/her. And it is something that can not be repaid. This just continues to show what kind of a scumbag is Kenny
Gee it's fun how you say this, considering Kenny was the one who made sure Ben didn't suffer more than he had to and saved Lee's ass when La… morerry punched him. He also saved the whole group when you were being attacked by the bandits and when he had to kill Larry for everyone's safety.
Oooh what a scumbag Kenny is!
It was completely necessary. They couldn't afford to lose any time and he gave you reasons on why they should do it WHILE also apologizing. Mark's foreshadowing in the woods, the death of Ben's teacher/classmate and how quickly they turned was enough. Consider Larry's form as well, he was pure muscle. If he didn't act, they would be dead. Larry suffered a Sudden cardiac arrest (SCA) and there's no hope for those who suffer that unless you've got a defillibrator with you. You can make them breath again, but they'll remain unconcious and will have less than 10 minutes to stabilize themselves with the help of pills and medic attention, if you don't have that, you die.
Kenny did what had to be done, he acted quickly even though he's the guy "who couldn't stand seeing the family dog get put down". He had to be strong for your and everyone's sake and nobody appreciated that, they only blamed him which makes Kenny like you less. Completely understandable, you're only seeing one side of the coin.
It was completely necessary. They couldn't afford to lose any time and he gave you reasons on why they should do it WHILE also apologizing. … moreMark's foreshadowing in the woods, the death of Ben's teacher/classmate and how quickly they turned was enough. Consider Larry's form as well, he was pure muscle. If he didn't act, they would be dead. Larry suffered a Sudden cardiac arrest (SCA) and there's no hope for those who suffer that unless you've got a defillibrator with you. You can make them breath again, but they'll remain unconcious and will have less than 10 minutes to stabilize themselves with the help of pills and medic attention, if you don't have that, you die.
Kenny did what had to be done, he acted quickly even though he's the guy "who couldn't stand seeing the family dog get put down". He had to be strong for your and everyone's sake and nobody appreciated that, they only blamed him which makes Kenny like you less. Completely understandable, you're only seeing one side of the coin.
I love that you used a subtle message like us 'cumming' in our pants to signify that we let Clementine "get away with anything." Like Clemen… moretine's ever done ANYTHING wrong directly to begin with. I bet you were siding with Kenny on episode 4, weren't you?
"How could Clementine kill Kenny's girlfriend? She made Kenny so sad, awwww. Boo Hoo, poor Kenny."
Also, Clementine's not a complete piece of shit like Kenny. Don't compare what she'd have done to what he did.
"Also, Clementine's not a complete piece of shit like Kenny. Don't compare what she'd have done to what he did."
Umm We control what she does. If the game gave us the option we could make her as evil as we chose. "She" doesn't do anything. We decide how she is based on the options provided. Some people like going dark Clem. Watch Carver get his face beat in, leave Sarah to die ect...
I love that you used a subtle message like us 'cumming' in our pants to signify that we let Clementine "get away with anything." Like Clemen… moretine's ever done ANYTHING wrong directly to begin with. I bet you were siding with Kenny on episode 4, weren't you?
"How could Clementine kill Kenny's girlfriend? She made Kenny so sad, awwww. Boo Hoo, poor Kenny."
Also, Clementine's not a complete piece of shit like Kenny. Don't compare what she'd have done to what he did.
You've made a brilliant argument.
If this had been a court-hearing, then I think you would've won your case.
Kudos!
When I played for the very 1st time, I let my conscious dictate my actions.
For the most part, I agreed with Kenny, except when it came to the girl at the drugstore in episode 3, and saving Ben's life in episode 4.
As far as Lilly, my impression of her in my first playthrough was, that she was only interested in survival of the fittest.
Her lack of compassion for Lee and Kenny, when they 1st pulled into Macon, really upset me.
I had Lee stand up for Kenny and his family.
And when her and her dad said Lee and Kenny should have left Ben and his wounded friend to die, that further upset me.
The way I saw it: "What's the point of trying to survive, if you sacrifice your humanity."
What reason would you have to be loyal to someone who didn't have your back? Because you’re a good person who doesn’t want to stand by and l… moreet other people die? The same reason Lee can save Ben, even though he betrayed the group? The same reason Sarah helped Clem, a total stranger? The same reason Molly saved Kenny, even though he tried to shoot her? The same reason Clem saves Luke on the bridge, even though he locked her in a shed?
And if we’re talking just about the meat locker scene, I’d hope that any reasonable person would’ve been understanding of Lee if he didn’t help kill Larry.
First of all, Kenny manages to stop Larry perfectly fine on his own, so he didn’t even need Lee to back him up in the first place. Second of all, why does he care if Lee didn’t back him up this one time? Why does that invalidate every other time Lee has looked out for and protected Kenny and his family? From my point of view, Kenny is the truly disloyal o… [view original content]
He said "I only need a minute" and it took him that. He was resourceful too, using the crowbar and not wasting ammo. It was a good method that brought justice to him for losing an eye and Rebecca, for losing her husband.
The problem with Kenny's murder method was that he took valuable time away from their escape in order to have his dramatic revenge, and also… more allowed Carver to remain smug and die pretty quickly (he was unconscious by the first hit). If he really wanted to have revenge and remain pragmatic, he could have just tied up Carver or shot him in the dick and let him be eaten alive.
It's unlikely that Carver would have popped Clem's eyes out. He flipped out on Kenny because he's a stubborn grown man - Clem, on the other hand, would have been easier to manipulate and not worth killing.
He was lashing out at everyone and everything, he asked Clementine to just leave him alone before he started up about it too. He just wante… mored to be left alone to grieve and everyone was trying to talk to him when he didn't want to, and Clementine knew it too, but the others pushed her into talking to him. So I'd blame Mike and Bonnie for bugging a grieving man then getting a little girl to bug him more.
And honestly, I think him yelling at Clementine briefly should be excused because the day before that, he had taken a severe(nearly fatal) beating for Clementine when no one else was willing to.
making Lilly emotionally unstable, leading to the death of Doug/Carley. I do not exclude Ben from this
There are so many wrong thing… mores in your post, but this one is the most baffling.
So everyone but the person who actually pulled the trigger is responsible.
Mind blown, I don't even.
Your whole rant, utter bullshit in my book.
And not to mention the fate of the baby inside of Christa. But her fate is dubious and there is no evidence to suggest she is dead but those people who attacked her didn't seem to have noble intentions. While it's highly unlikely she is alive you cannot be certain.
I dont care that much about Molly but the others I would have liked to see. Im still holding out hope that we get Christa back or at least some word of what happened to her.
Apparently the fate of Christa's baby was a mystery that will be revealed in episode 5, much like the reason behind Lee's wife cheating on him could have been revealed, if the player chose to, in the last episode of the first season.
I'm sure that Christa is still alive, as Clementine didn't write her off for dead in episode 2, and the writer for the first two episodes will return for the season finale. I suspect that she will have an injured leg, either from being stabbed by Winston or getting shot.
And not to mention the fate of the baby inside of Christa. But her fate is dubious and there is no evidence to suggest she is dead but those… more people who attacked her didn't seem to have noble intentions. While it's highly unlikely she is alive you cannot be certain.
Characters in fiction can be pieces of shit actually. Just like they can be honorable, evil, compassionate, just, unjust, etc. It's a simple explanation that helps define them and their actions.
You see, Kenny is a "piece of shit" because he tried to kick Lee's ass for simply stating his son is putting himself, Katjaa, and everybody else in potential danger. He's a "piece of shit" because he mercilessly killed Larry without any warning and placed everybody in the meatlocker in danger. He's a "piece of shit" because he doesn't give a fuck about ANYONE but himself. That's his character structure.
Also, my comment was more aimed at the fact you made an assumption that because people feel concerned towards Kenny's reckless and morally bleak choices, that if Clementine had done similar actions, we'd be 'cumming' our pants. Which is the argument of a nine year old. Clementine (no matter the choices) wouldn't smash someone's face to a paste just like she wouldn't pull a gun out and shoot Bonnie's leg and then eat her alive... Cause she's not a sadistic savage. There's a reason why her choices often fall more in the middle of the morality chart. That's how her character is built, not Kenny.
Well that is a very subjective interpretation in the first place, and a very dubious claim. What gave you the impression she actually became insane ? I think it's a convenient way to exonerate her from part of her responsibility.
And make your mind please. "that in no way absolves her of murdering someone".
Ever heard of insanity defense ? A murderer proven insane can't actually be held responsible. Either she wasn't insane and is fully responsible, either she was insane and is not responsible.
Truth is, she most certainly was not. At best she had became borderline paranoid, but don't tell me she shot Carley in a fit of madness. She waited for everyone to turn their heads, she raised her gun calmly, aimed for the head, pulled the trigger, all the while with this expression of cold resolve and hate on her face. A lot of players (not only Kenny fans) pointed out jealousy as a reason for her murdering Carley of all members of the group.
Kenny might be accused of many things, but not of having responsibility in Carley's murder by Lilly.
Then why would she kill Carley if Kenny drove her insane. From what I remember Lilly wanted to know what Kenny thought about her finding out someone was smuggling supplies and was going to take Kenny's vote to make the decision. She may have been upset, but not gone insane over what Kenny did.
If he even touched Clementine, Kenny would've jumped on his ass like a junkyard dog. He may have died trying to protect Clem from whatever Carver would have done.
It's unlikely that Carver would have popped Clem's eyes out. He flipped out on Kenny because he's a stubborn grown man - Clem, on the other hand, would have been easier to manipulate and not worth killing.
Kenny "drove Lilly insane" now ?
Well that is a very subjective interpretation in the first place, and a very dubious claim. What gave yo… moreu the impression she actually became insane ? I think it's a convenient way to exonerate her from part of her responsibility.
And make your mind please. "that in no way absolves her of murdering someone".
Ever heard of insanity defense ? A murderer proven insane can't actually be held responsible. Either she wasn't insane and is fully responsible, either she was insane and is not responsible.
Truth is, she most certainly was not. At best she had became borderline paranoid, but don't tell me she shot Carley in a fit of madness. She waited for everyone to turn their heads, she raised her gun calmly, aimed for the head, pulled the trigger, all the while with this expression of cold resolve and hate on her face. A lot of players (not only Kenny fans) pointed out jealousy as a reason for her murdering C… [view original content]
I don't agree with the word "killed" when we talk about 3-seconds-left-before-turning Larry, but right now what I'm questioning is the "mentally unstable" part.
This is a highly debatable interpretation made up long ago by Lilly fans to try to make her heroin not look so bad when the whole community was damning her to hell for the assassination of an innocent character everybody was fond of.
Lilly was determined to get rid of Carley, which is not the same as being mentally unstable or crazy or insane or whatever.
I'm not saying it was his direct fault for this. Smashing in Larry's head right in front of Lilly's eyes just made her more paranoid, trigger-happy and stopped her from trusting almost everyone. That is why she was so eager of finding out who was behind the missing supplies. And the Carley was the one who takes the blame. ( Ben being a dipshit about it and acting like he does not know what happened is another thing. ) I always wanted during the scene in the RV for us, the players, to have the option of asking Lilly, what good is Carley going to gain from making the trade wtih the bandits ? That would almost certainly stop Lilly from making rash decissions on her own. However, TTG are the ones who are to be blamed here.
Kenny "drove Lilly insane" now ?
Well that is a very subjective interpretation in the first place, and a very dubious claim. What gave yo… moreu the impression she actually became insane ? I think it's a convenient way to exonerate her from part of her responsibility.
And make your mind please. "that in no way absolves her of murdering someone".
Ever heard of insanity defense ? A murderer proven insane can't actually be held responsible. Either she wasn't insane and is fully responsible, either she was insane and is not responsible.
Truth is, she most certainly was not. At best she had became borderline paranoid, but don't tell me she shot Carley in a fit of madness. She waited for everyone to turn their heads, she raised her gun calmly, aimed for the head, pulled the trigger, all the while with this expression of cold resolve and hate on her face. A lot of players (not only Kenny fans) pointed out jealousy as a reason for her murdering C… [view original content]
I had Lee also back Kenny up when it mattered.
Like I said in my earlier comment, I played to how my conscious dictated.
And I found myself largely siding with Kenny.
However, I didn't agree with everything Kenny said.
Like when Kenny felt he should be the one to put Duck out of his misery, I did not agree with that, and had Lee volunteer to do it.
And then followed through on it.
And I will admit, Kenny's unwillingness to compromise, is very exhausting.
It's actually childish behaivor, and unbecoming of a grown man.
A man realises that he cannot have everything his own way.
And when he realises that his actions could severely affect others, he will reexamine them, and be willing to compromise for the good of other people.
Not doing so, shows a huge lack of respect for others.
Grown men, REAL MEN, not only take responsibility and accountability for their actions; and do the things that need to be done, but
also show respect for the the thoughts, feelings, and rights of other people.
Even when they do not agree with them.
They DO NOT insist on having their own way, especially if it could harm others.
And if they live under someone else's roof, REAL MEN; respect and follow the rules the owner sets for his home.
Regardless if they agree with them, or not.
If this is ever a dialogue option, or if this had been a dialogue option for Lee, I would've addressed it this way, in a private conversation: "Kenny, you are a strong, hardworking person, and a dedicated family-man. I both like, and respect those qualities of yours.
However, you cannot insist on having everything your own way. You and I both know life doesn't work that way!
A real man; to use your own words, doesn't insist on having his own way, especially when his actions may possibly harm other people.
A real man, shows respect for the thoughts and feelings of other people.
Even when he does not agree with them."
However, I would still rather have him watch my back, as opposed to Lilly.
Cause even if you have her back, forgive her after she kills Carly, and volunteer to go with her when she's planning to escape, she drives off and leaves you behind.
That shows to me that she was really just interested in herself, and did not truly care about others.
Like it or not, that is the truth.
My Lee always had Kenny's back, he just didn't agree with everything he said. That's the sticking point with Kenny. Lee would easily put him… moreself out to help Kenny and his family and he did. He put himself in danger twice with the St. Johns to help Kenny's family. He just wasn't going to be his yes man and do everything he wanted no questions asked. But Kenny has this "If you're not with me, you're against me" mentality that just doesn't work. He doesn't know how to compromise. He expects unquestioning loyalty but he doesn't reciprocate. Lee would never treat anyone like that.
Carver gave Clem the pimpslap of the century just for slightly smartmouthing him, I REALLY don't think he'd have any problem giving her a serious beating. It probably wouldn't have been nearly as bad as Kenny's, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have been pleasant.
It's unlikely that Carver would have popped Clem's eyes out. He flipped out on Kenny because he's a stubborn grown man - Clem, on the other hand, would have been easier to manipulate and not worth killing.
Thats what I hated about Season 1 Kenny: Bros for Life! Until you disagree with me. Heck, if you said that Lilly's shoes were better than Kenny's, he'd more than likely hate you for life.
I don't doubt that he'd hurt her seriously. I just suspect that he would hold back on her because she had more potential for manipulation than "thick-skulled Kenneth."
Carver gave Clem the pimpslap of the century just for slightly smartmouthing him, I REALLY don't think he'd have any problem giving her a se… morerious beating. It probably wouldn't have been nearly as bad as Kenny's, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have been pleasant.
Thats what I hated about Season 1 Kenny: Bros for Life! Until you disagree with me. Heck, if you said that Lilly's shoes were better than Kenny's, he'd more than likely hate you for life.
I actually liked Kenny in season 1, only because I agreed with him throughout that season. Making things easier for myself. But I have to agree with you, if you don't agree with Kenny he is difficult to like. During this season he was doing okay with me. I kept using the excuse: that's just Kenny being Kenny like usual. But after Serita's accident and him blaming Clem, I couldn't take it anymore. I finally came to the realization that Kenny's character is extremely bipolar. He's your buddy one moment, but if something happens that he doesn't like he's blaming you the next. He's like Dr. Jekyll. His entire personality has become trying to say the least. So I agree with you wholeheartedly at this point. I don't see him as a foe, but I do find him quite annoying.
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He was lashing out at everyone and everything, he asked Clementine to just leave him alone before he started up about it too. He just wanted to be left alone to grieve and everyone was trying to talk to him when he didn't want to, and Clementine knew it too, but the others pushed her into talking to him. So I'd blame Mike and Bonnie for bugging a grieving man then getting a little girl to bug him more.
And honestly, I think him yelling at Clementine briefly should be excused because the day before that, he had taken a severe(nearly fatal) beating for Clementine when no one else was willing to.
Well, he just saves Lee because there happens to be a zombie to kill, and why would he willingly let Lee die when everyone else is there watching?
In episode 1 it was just him and Lee alone, he could get away with it, and he tried his best to get Lee killed. Right after Lee risked his own life to get Larry's medication too.
if he really wanted him dead, he could just have faked not hitting which would have caused Lee death, but yeah he was an old asshole
That's a good point, but he didn't exactly have time to devise a strategy to get Lee killed then. And even if he had missed, someone probably would have blamed him for letting Lee die(no one really liked him at all other than Lilly, but Kenny probably would have been the first to blame him).
Hey man i dont want to discuss cuz i agree 100% Larrys an asshole
Aw, I like discussing. Well alright, as long as we're in agreement. xD
i like discussing too, but right now there no reason to discuss
Pff, who needs reasons?
LOL!!!!!!! ikr
There are so many wrong things in your post, but this one is the most baffling.
So everyone but the person who actually pulled the trigger is responsible.
Mind blown, I don't even.
Your whole rant, utter bullshit in my book.
Gee it's fun how you say this, considering Kenny was the one who made sure Ben didn't suffer more than he had to and saved Lee's ass when Larry punched him. He also saved the whole group when you were being attacked by the bandits and when he had to kill Larry for everyone's safety.
Oooh what a scumbag Kenny is!
i agree with everything, except the Larry thing, he could have waited a little bit before killing lillys only family
It was completely necessary. They couldn't afford to lose any time and he gave you reasons on why they should do it WHILE also apologizing. Mark's foreshadowing in the woods, the death of Ben's teacher/classmate and how quickly they turned was enough. Consider Larry's form as well, he was pure muscle. If he didn't act, they would be dead. Larry suffered a Sudden cardiac arrest (SCA) and there's no hope for those who suffer that unless you've got a defillibrator with you. You can make them breath again, but they'll remain unconcious and will have less than 10 minutes to stabilize themselves with the help of pills and medic attention, if you don't have that, you die.
Kenny did what had to be done, he acted quickly even though he's the guy "who couldn't stand seeing the family dog get put down". He had to be strong for your and everyone's sake and nobody appreciated that, they only blamed him which makes Kenny like you less. Completely understandable, you're only seeing one side of the coin.
wat?
I can separate reality from fantasy. Kenny is a character in a game. I don't see any of them as a piece of shit because they aren't real.
"Also, Clementine's not a complete piece of shit like Kenny. Don't compare what she'd have done to what he did."
Umm We control what she does. If the game gave us the option we could make her as evil as we chose. "She" doesn't do anything. We decide how she is based on the options provided. Some people like going dark Clem. Watch Carver get his face beat in, leave Sarah to die ect...
What? what is there not to understand? I told you why it was necessary for Kenny to kll Larry and not lose time.
I just think it felt like a dick move, but i guess youre right
You've made a brilliant argument.
If this had been a court-hearing, then I think you would've won your case.
Kudos!
When I played for the very 1st time, I let my conscious dictate my actions.
For the most part, I agreed with Kenny, except when it came to the girl at the drugstore in episode 3, and saving Ben's life in episode 4.
As far as Lilly, my impression of her in my first playthrough was, that she was only interested in survival of the fittest.
Her lack of compassion for Lee and Kenny, when they 1st pulled into Macon, really upset me.
I had Lee stand up for Kenny and his family.
And when her and her dad said Lee and Kenny should have left Ben and his wounded friend to die, that further upset me.
The way I saw it: "What's the point of trying to survive, if you sacrifice your humanity."
He said "I only need a minute" and it took him that. He was resourceful too, using the crowbar and not wasting ammo. It was a good method that brought justice to him for losing an eye and Rebecca, for losing her husband.
It's unlikely that Carver would have popped Clem's eyes out. He flipped out on Kenny because he's a stubborn grown man - Clem, on the other hand, would have been easier to manipulate and not worth killing.
He WAS at fault for driving Lilly insane. That in no way absolves her of murdering someone.
And not to mention the fate of the baby inside of Christa. But her fate is dubious and there is no evidence to suggest she is dead but those people who attacked her didn't seem to have noble intentions. While it's highly unlikely she is alive you cannot be certain.
Apparently the fate of Christa's baby was a mystery that will be revealed in episode 5, much like the reason behind Lee's wife cheating on him could have been revealed, if the player chose to, in the last episode of the first season.
I'm sure that Christa is still alive, as Clementine didn't write her off for dead in episode 2, and the writer for the first two episodes will return for the season finale. I suspect that she will have an injured leg, either from being stabbed by Winston or getting shot.
Characters in fiction can be pieces of shit actually. Just like they can be honorable, evil, compassionate, just, unjust, etc. It's a simple explanation that helps define them and their actions.
You see, Kenny is a "piece of shit" because he tried to kick Lee's ass for simply stating his son is putting himself, Katjaa, and everybody else in potential danger. He's a "piece of shit" because he mercilessly killed Larry without any warning and placed everybody in the meatlocker in danger. He's a "piece of shit" because he doesn't give a fuck about ANYONE but himself. That's his character structure.
Also, my comment was more aimed at the fact you made an assumption that because people feel concerned towards Kenny's reckless and morally bleak choices, that if Clementine had done similar actions, we'd be 'cumming' our pants. Which is the argument of a nine year old. Clementine (no matter the choices) wouldn't smash someone's face to a paste just like she wouldn't pull a gun out and shoot Bonnie's leg and then eat her alive... Cause she's not a sadistic savage. There's a reason why her choices often fall more in the middle of the morality chart. That's how her character is built, not Kenny.
you forgot when Clem tells him "don't shoot" he ignores you and shoot anyway, causing the death of Walter which seemed like a good guy
Kenny "drove Lilly insane" now ?
Well that is a very subjective interpretation in the first place, and a very dubious claim. What gave you the impression she actually became insane ? I think it's a convenient way to exonerate her from part of her responsibility.
And make your mind please. "that in no way absolves her of murdering someone".
Ever heard of insanity defense ? A murderer proven insane can't actually be held responsible. Either she wasn't insane and is fully responsible, either she was insane and is not responsible.
Truth is, she most certainly was not. At best she had became borderline paranoid, but don't tell me she shot Carley in a fit of madness. She waited for everyone to turn their heads, she raised her gun calmly, aimed for the head, pulled the trigger, all the while with this expression of cold resolve and hate on her face. A lot of players (not only Kenny fans) pointed out jealousy as a reason for her murdering Carley of all members of the group.
Kenny might be accused of many things, but not of having responsibility in Carley's murder by Lilly.
Then why would she kill Carley if Kenny drove her insane. From what I remember Lilly wanted to know what Kenny thought about her finding out someone was smuggling supplies and was going to take Kenny's vote to make the decision. She may have been upset, but not gone insane over what Kenny did.
If he even touched Clementine, Kenny would've jumped on his ass like a junkyard dog. He may have died trying to protect Clem from whatever Carver would have done.
Kenny killed Lilly's dad right in front of her, which led to her being mentally unstable. Pure and simple.
I don't agree with the word "killed" when we talk about 3-seconds-left-before-turning Larry, but right now what I'm questioning is the "mentally unstable" part.
This is a highly debatable interpretation made up long ago by Lilly fans to try to make her heroin not look so bad when the whole community was damning her to hell for the assassination of an innocent character everybody was fond of.
Lilly was determined to get rid of Carley, which is not the same as being mentally unstable or crazy or insane or whatever.
I'm not saying it was his direct fault for this. Smashing in Larry's head right in front of Lilly's eyes just made her more paranoid, trigger-happy and stopped her from trusting almost everyone. That is why she was so eager of finding out who was behind the missing supplies. And the Carley was the one who takes the blame. ( Ben being a dipshit about it and acting like he does not know what happened is another thing. ) I always wanted during the scene in the RV for us, the players, to have the option of asking Lilly, what good is Carley going to gain from making the trade wtih the bandits ? That would almost certainly stop Lilly from making rash decissions on her own. However, TTG are the ones who are to be blamed here.
I had Lee also back Kenny up when it mattered.
Like I said in my earlier comment, I played to how my conscious dictated.
And I found myself largely siding with Kenny.
However, I didn't agree with everything Kenny said.
Like when Kenny felt he should be the one to put Duck out of his misery, I did not agree with that, and had Lee volunteer to do it.
And then followed through on it.
And I will admit, Kenny's unwillingness to compromise, is very exhausting.
It's actually childish behaivor, and unbecoming of a grown man.
A man realises that he cannot have everything his own way.
And when he realises that his actions could severely affect others, he will reexamine them, and be willing to compromise for the good of other people.
Not doing so, shows a huge lack of respect for others.
Grown men, REAL MEN, not only take responsibility and accountability for their actions; and do the things that need to be done, but
also show respect for the the thoughts, feelings, and rights of other people.
Even when they do not agree with them.
They DO NOT insist on having their own way, especially if it could harm others.
And if they live under someone else's roof, REAL MEN; respect and follow the rules the owner sets for his home.
Regardless if they agree with them, or not.
If this is ever a dialogue option, or if this had been a dialogue option for Lee, I would've addressed it this way, in a private conversation: "Kenny, you are a strong, hardworking person, and a dedicated family-man. I both like, and respect those qualities of yours.
However, you cannot insist on having everything your own way. You and I both know life doesn't work that way!
A real man; to use your own words, doesn't insist on having his own way, especially when his actions may possibly harm other people.
A real man, shows respect for the thoughts and feelings of other people.
Even when he does not agree with them."
However, I would still rather have him watch my back, as opposed to Lilly.
Cause even if you have her back, forgive her after she kills Carly, and volunteer to go with her when she's planning to escape, she drives off and leaves you behind.
That shows to me that she was really just interested in herself, and did not truly care about others.
Like it or not, that is the truth.
Carver gave Clem the pimpslap of the century just for slightly smartmouthing him, I REALLY don't think he'd have any problem giving her a serious beating. It probably wouldn't have been nearly as bad as Kenny's, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have been pleasant.
Thats what I hated about Season 1 Kenny: Bros for Life! Until you disagree with me. Heck, if you said that Lilly's shoes were better than Kenny's, he'd more than likely hate you for life.
I don't doubt that he'd hurt her seriously. I just suspect that he would hold back on her because she had more potential for manipulation than "thick-skulled Kenneth."
Lee: Guys, let's go buy ice-cream!
Lilly: That's a neat idea. I will buy chocolate flavored one.
Kenny: And I want some vanilla ice cream. I'm pretty sure that Lee would be happy to share it with me.
Lee: No, I'd rather have chocolate ice cream, like Lilly.
(?) Kenny won't forget that.
Kenny: HOW FUCKING DARE YOU, LEE!
I actually liked Kenny in season 1, only because I agreed with him throughout that season. Making things easier for myself. But I have to agree with you, if you don't agree with Kenny he is difficult to like. During this season he was doing okay with me. I kept using the excuse: that's just Kenny being Kenny like usual. But after Serita's accident and him blaming Clem, I couldn't take it anymore. I finally came to the realization that Kenny's character is extremely bipolar. He's your buddy one moment, but if something happens that he doesn't like he's blaming you the next. He's like Dr. Jekyll. His entire personality has become trying to say the least. So I agree with you wholeheartedly at this point. I don't see him as a foe, but I do find him quite annoying.
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