Let's be real here. Throughout both seasons, Kenny has been the main reason for most of the drama within every single group. No one is ever on his side and everyone was afraid of him...except for Lee & even then, he hated Kenny's guts. I mean, you'd think that this would be enough reason to get people to leave right? Yet, some of you look at Bonnie, Mike and Jane as the bad guys for doing what they did. As it stands to show, the entire group would still be around, if it were not for Kenny & we wouldn't be in this mess. I understand that Kenny went through a lot, but even when he didn't, he still had problems.
I'll tell you this. if I was Clem and I saw what Kenny did to Jane, I'd be asking myself "What if that was ME that lost AJ". Heck, Kenny has already gotten violent at Clem and even more so, if you decided to pick Jane. At this point, Kenny is a threat to all those around him and if Lee was alive to witness this, he would've left Kenny's behind a long time ago. I've always tried to reason with Kenny, but no matter what, the dude is just far too gone and is the biggest liability in the group....well, the past groups that is.
But she didn't. and Kenny didn't know she didn't. She could have tried to save the Baby and nevertheless lost it, and Kenny would still (have tried to) murder her. That's Insane, in a very bad way.
And what do you think Kenny would have done if Jane came out with the Truth. Kenny was ready to murder someone even though he doesn't know what happened. I am sure, and Jane knew, that even then Kenny would (have tried to) murder Jane. Maybe even especially then.
I don't have that much of a problem with her plan, I have a problem with the fact that she stuck with it even after it was clear that she's … morerisking two lives for no good reason. At that point she stopped being a believable character and became a plot device.
She DID say it was an accident, and maybe she would have said sorry, but when was she supposed to do that? Kenny started attacking her only a few seconds after her arrival, and didn't listen at all.
She was acting like she did it on purpose. Thats the key, here. If it was an accident... if she just projected that she was SORRY. But sh… moree didn't. She acted like she was glad it was gone. And that enraged Kenny, as it would enrage ANY father. And yes, Kenny is/was/will always be that boy's father.
But she implied it did. She lied to get a point across to Clem, and a stupid one at that.
How would she have tried to save the baby and nevertheless lost it? That's impossible. The only way she could have lost it is by throwing it to the walkers and running away, and that's what it was interpreted as.
But she didn't. and Kenny didn't know she didn't. She could have tried to save the Baby and nevertheless lost it, and Kenny would still (have tried to) murder her. That's Insane, in a very bad way.
So losing a Baby, even accidental, is a good reason for people to murder? What if it really would have been an accident? He'd have murdered someone innocent without even listening to them. And that's almost exactly what Lilly did, only she really did suspect the right one (Ben).
Yeah, but your logic fails because Kenny DIDN'T know Jane was messing with him. He thought the Baby was dead, and didn't even listen to Jane, even after she said it was an accident. What if Jane would NOT have messed with Kenny, and it really was an accident? Kenny would have killed someone innocent. Just as Lilly did.
Lilly: Killed someone because SOMEONE was TRYING THEIR BEST to DEFEND the group. Oh, and the someone who died was not the someone guilty o… moref their actions.
Kenny: Killed someone because someone intentionally made us to believe that an innocent baby was dead, for no purpose other than "you mad, bro?"
Completely different. My Kenny is alive. I hugged him. I cried with him. Fare thee well, my knight in shining armor.
And when was she supposed to explain it? When Kenny beat up her Face? When he tried to cut her open? Kenn didn't even asked what happened, or didn't listen (Can't remember the exact dialogue), and immediately attacked her. He didn't even stop for a second when she said it was an accident. A sane person would have at least listened to her.
She wasn't explaining herself properly, all she said was it was an "accident" and nothing more, no details on what happened and Jane has a h… moreistory of leaving people so it's understandable why Kenny would feel she didn't protect the baby. Either way, she instigated it and wanted a reaction from him even going as far as putting a baby's life at risk just to prove a point.
Please what? What kind of logic is that? So I can't try to save someone and still lose? So a Medic can't try to save someone hurt and still lose him? And a firefighter could not try to save someone from a burning house and still lose him/her? And didn't Clem in just the same Episode try to save Luke's life and still not save him? Would it be okay for Bonny to murder her then? In your logic, it seems that way. Before you argue, remember that Kenny didn't know what happened and that jane was messing with him.
The Baby could have been bitten while she ran into a walker, or she could have stumbled and the baby could have been bitten/eaten. Remember, it was stormy and you couldn't see far. And the Baby wasn't clued to Jane or could run away by itself.
Seriously, do you really think you can't try to save someone and still not manage to save someone?.
And how is it a stupid point if the point was 100% correct? Kenny DID go crazy, without knowing what happened.
But she implied it did. She lied to get a point across to Clem, and a stupid one at that.
How would she have tried to save the baby and n… moreevertheless lost it? That's impossible. The only way she could have lost it is by throwing it to the walkers and running away, and that's what it was interpreted as.
Jane was right, unfortunately the man was a walking time-bomb, despite loving Kenny, I couldn't let him kill Jane, so I shot him for good. and he even thanked me for it, saying that I had made the right choice and he failed me. I didn't entirely agree with Jane's "plan", but I got the message, and I forgave her in the end.
I was happy with my ending! I think Jane is the best choice! and I was very happy when she returned. would be perfect if Luke hadn't died. He and Jane were a cute couple, and deserved a fresh start back in Carver's Camp.
It really was a hard choice.
Jane's plan succeded but far more than she expected. She proved that when Kenny's mad he doesnt think right.… more It's like his alter-ego that takes over him. I think she wanted Clementine to see that soo that she can be at her side and abandon Kenny. I think she wanted a new Jaime. Someone to look after.
Kenny thou never meant any harm to Clementine. It's the real Kenny who could surrender and calm his alter-ego when Carver had Clem on gunpoint. It's him who could gave his life just to try to save some shitbird Ben. It's him who wanted only to Clem and AJ to be safe at Wellington even if that meant him wandering alone. It's him who admited his insanity and either lived or died with awareness of it.
After watching all endings i feel guilty for killing that man. But as some wise pimp said "Sometimes all of your option's are shit".
I thought she killed it or just abandoned it in the snow. She didn't answer when I asked her 'What did you do?!' and just said to not get in the way of whatever happens so I figured she was gonna start some shit. I tried to de-escalate the situation, but I knew she was a loon so I let Kenny kill her in the end. Super glad I did, Kenny is the man. Just wished I hadn't pulled Kenny's arm and got him slashed as a result.
As soon as Jane returned without the Baby I knew she hid it to show how crazy Kenny was. I killed Kenny, because even though Jane's plan was stupid, it got the point across.
So she sacrificed her own life AND risked the life of the baby just to prove a point? That's not right nor wrong, that just doesn't make any… more sense.
Seriously, plot convenience is all it is. "We really want this conflict to happen but we've wasted too much time on a bunch of undeveloped characters so now we have to force it in the last minute and hope nobody notices how it doesn't make any sense". That's the vibe I got from this ending and the game in general.
Considering how he'd rather beat Arvo than start a fire for Clem, I find that statement dubious at best.
And It was Alvin and Rebecca's. … moreIt wasn't his. He clearly was protective of it, and that's fine, but can we really assume Clem would be safe from his wrath if she "lost" the baby?
The way Kenny acted when Jane "lost" the baby was just... not cool. He does admit to losing his mind and just seeing red, which is incredibly dangerous.
But damn, he bounces back in a huge way if you let him live. He got us to Wellington and probably gives his own life for us to be safe.
I love how Kenny, no matter what choice you make, reassures you that you'd done the right thing. Ah, Kenny. You glorious, insane, dangerous bastard.
Kenny wasn't twisted though. Jane pushed him and pushed him as best she could, decieved both him and Clementine with the intent of pushing him over the edge because she had it in her head that he was losing his shit. But here's the thing- EVERYONE was losing their shit at that point. Clem, Bonnie, Mike, Kenny, and even Clem as far as I'm concerned. But Jane was possibly the worst of them, because she was trying to break another member of her group for her own insane reasons. Jane was the twisted one, not Kenny. Kenny was trying to keep everyone together, and Jane, like always, was trying to remove Kenny from the picture.
She succeeded in showing how twisted she was. We already knew that Kenny was having trouble keeping it together and all she did was continue to provoke him until the very end.
So you trusted her even though she was BSing you. She said 'It was an accident', which I personally thought was BS and so did Kenny. Turns out we were right, and she was playing a sick game. But no, Kenny is the coo coo one right?
As soon as she said I should trust her I knew what was going on. I was never much of a Kenny supporter, I only supported him on the Wellington thing, but I decided to shoot him cause he went coo coo and went to far with beating up Jane
Yeah, and Jane knew he was gonna explode and try to kill him if she did that AND she did that. Thats the stupidest thing in a world, putting yourself in mortal danger to prove a worthless point, that keny can get crazy.. we ALL know that kenny can get crazy.
With that kind of street smarts shell be dead soon anyways.
Not to mention she wanted to go south before fully exploring. At least in the cold the walkers are inactive..
Boom!
Alvin Jr? More like Kenny the third. It's not his kid. Jane tried to show that he's too broken. His rage is too much. Mike & Ar… morevo/Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo left BECAUSE Kenny wouldn't see any other way. He cares about AJ more than anyone!
He said it himself.
"I don't trust myself to take care of either of you"
If you shoot him and save Jane
"You made the right choice. I let you down"
It's not that he's bad. He's just broken. And Broken people get reckless. I just wanted Clem to survive.
Honestly, if Kenny didn't try to kill Jane, and just said he was going on his own, I would've sided with him. He didn't even try to hear Jane out.
If it was ME that lost AJ I would have been much more apologetic and guilty feeling. When Kenny ran out Jane instantly went into serious mode was getting ready to fight Kenny when he came back. It was obvious to me she was up to something.
Let's be real here. Throughout both seasons, Kenny has been the main reason for most of the drama within every single group. No one is ever … moreon his side and everyone was afraid of him...except for Lee & even then, he hated Kenny's guts. I mean, you'd think that this would be enough reason to get people to leave right? Yet, some of you look at Bonnie, Mike and Jane as the bad guys for doing what they did. As it stands to show, the entire group would still be around, if it were not for Kenny & we wouldn't be in this mess. I understand that Kenny went through a lot, but even when he didn't, he still had problems.
I'll tell you this. if I was Clem and I saw what Kenny did to Jane, I'd be asking myself "What if that was ME that lost AJ". Heck, Kenny has already gotten violent at Clem and even more so, if you decided to pick Jane. At this point, Kenny is a threat to all those around him and if Lee was alive to witness this, he would've le… [view original content]
So here is my thoughts on the whole Kenny Jane shpeel. So the facts are Jane pretended like the baby was dead so Kenny would either stay docile and probably start crying breaking down, or he would become enraged and attack Jane. She knew this, that's why she tells Clem to just watch.
Now in my general opinion Jane was wrong for many reasons but first let's back up ab it to Kenny and his rage. A parent can and will get very protective if someone tries to harm there child like Lee anytime anyone did anything to Clem or Kenny with Duck. When someone kills someone's child that throws them over the edge. In fact if there hadn't been so many people, and the walkers were at their doorstep I feel Kenny would have killed Ben on the spot for what he did. Now go back to S2E5 and let's look at Kenny's emotional loss list Duck, Katjaa, Ben (Determinate if you save him), Walter, Mathew, Sarita, and Alvin (Assumed at the time). That's a lot of ones family to lose in a short time not to mention all the other minor people he had probably become friends Mark, Carly/Doug, ect.
So now to the fight and why Jane was wrong. She comes back with no baby and Kenny assumes she killed the baby and she doesn't deny it. Now maybe if she denied it saying it was a walker I would have felt a little more anger towards Kenny, but she knew what she was doing. She put the baby in a car with broken windows (You could see the snow on the seat), without protection all just to prove a point.
Now as I said before you don't mess with a parent's child. By this point everyone knew Kenny had assumed lead-father role to the child, and she comes back and Kenny Accuses her of killing the baby and she doesn't say she didn't kill the baby, what do you expect to happen. It would be like if in E4 Chuck ran away with Clem only to come back saying he killed her. Lee would not be the happiest man in the world, and realistically probably would have killed Chuck in this scenario.
Yes Kenny is a broken man that could snap. But you don't intentionally make him snap by taking away his only salvation and making it assumed you killed his adoptive child, putting yourself, a baby, and even possibly Clem (Even though she doesn't in fights anything can happen), in danger.
Most of the group thought that he was a disaster waiting to happen, I never thought it was going to go as far as them killing each other. I'm not sure what you mean by BSing me since she told Clem to stay away from the situation which I thought was a demonstration of how unstable he has become.
So you trusted her even though she was BSing you. She said 'It was an accident', which I personally thought was BS and so did Kenny. Turns out we were right, and she was playing a sick game. But no, Kenny is the coo coo one right?
Well like I said she told me "it was an accident", which might not have happened in your playthrough. That's what I meant by BSing, there was no accident, she was doing something crazy.
And yeah, most of the group thought he was a disaster waiting to happen... but he was the only one I trusted in the entire season so I wasn't about to turn on him because he was going through a hard time. He had just lost another one of his ladyfriends, had a couple members of the group betray him, and then had one provoking him the best she could. I would have lost my shit in Clem's situation too, but Clem is more badass than I am I guess.
*Oh, and he had his eye bashed in for covering for Clem.
Most of the group thought that he was a disaster waiting to happen, I never thought it was going to go as far as them killing each other. I'… morem not sure what you mean by BSing me since she told Clem to stay away from the situation which I thought was a demonstration of how unstable he has become.
So here is my thoughts on the whole Kenny Jane shpeel. So the facts are Jane pretended like the baby was dead so Kenny would either stay doc… moreile and probably start crying breaking down, or he would become enraged and attack Jane. She knew this, that's why she tells Clem to just watch.
Now in my general opinion Jane was wrong for many reasons but first let's back up ab it to Kenny and his rage. A parent can and will get very protective if someone tries to harm there child like Lee anytime anyone did anything to Clem or Kenny with Duck. When someone kills someone's child that throws them over the edge. In fact if there hadn't been so many people, and the walkers were at their doorstep I feel Kenny would have killed Ben on the spot for what he did. Now go back to S2E5 and let's look at Kenny's emotional loss list Duck, Katjaa, Ben (Determinate if you save him), Walter, Mathew, Sarita, and Alvin (Assumed at the time). That's a lot of ones famil… [view original content]
Yeah, Kenny was really scaring me in this episode. Everyone was thinking that he was turning into another Carver, and I could see it. The situation where Kenny beats up Arvo is similar to when Carver beats Kenny. There's some conflict, Kenny says "Heh, fucker" and then Carver rips into him. After the group crossed the lake and Kenny started yelling, Arvo said "Fuck you!" and then Kenny pulverized him...I just thought that it was a little too similar. I know that Arvo was perhaps "more deserving" of the beating than Kenny had been, but still....
Not at all. She was right about Kenny. He's a ticking time bomb because he refused to learn to control his anger and stop antagonising peopl… moree just to have the higher moral ground.
There was no need for Kenny to kill, or try to kill, Jane. At the time she didn't lose the baby on purpose, and it's not as if it was a piece of cake to wander around in a snowstorm with walkers wandering around.
Suppose if Clementine was the one that had lost the baby and met Kenny? He would have done the same to what he did to Jane.
I don't sympathise with him one bit.
Any father? Hell no. She said it was an "accident" and showed remorse (even if it was all an act). Both of them like I said weren't in the right mind. Kenny is unstable and Jane was extremely reckless. Kenny can be pissed all he wants about the baby but that doesn't give him the right to kill her because frankly he doesn't even know what heck happened. He only thinks he knows what happened. To sum up. She lied instigated and dragged it on. He was overly aggressive and didn't take pause. Jane wasn't right to make the test and Kenny wasn't right in how he reacted.
But that's all she says, nothing else more then pulls out a knife and tells him she's not scared of him instead of telling him what actually… more happened to the baby. Jane knew how much Kenny cared for the baby and took advantage of this to toy with him. At any moment she could've told him the truth but she dragged it on and let him die thinking the baby is dead. Kenny reacted how any father would, Jane on the other hand is unstable & crazy.
Actually, After Kenny tried to punch her the first time, she had a opportunity to explain herself. Instead, she says "Im not gonna back down from you Kenny" or something along those lines.She wanted Kenny to attack her.She didn't try to explain herself. Also, she risked Clem, AJ, and was willing to let herself die just to earn Clem's favor.
Everyone knows Kenny is not a sane person. She's not sane either. They just have different problems. They both show that they will go to the extreme to prove their point and get their way.
And when was she supposed to explain it? When Kenny beat up her Face? When he tried to cut her open? Kenn didn't even asked what happened, o… morer didn't listen (Can't remember the exact dialogue), and immediately attacked her. He didn't even stop for a second when she said it was an accident. A sane person would have at least listened to her.
Put yourself in his shoes. A woman comes out of snow without the baby you care dearly for, this same woman has a history of leaving people and it doesn't help you don't trust this woman also. You go outside to look for the baby and come back and get angry and she pulls out a knife and threatens you instead of explaining what happened as you are boiling with anger. Though granted Kenny kind of took it too far and considering he had people like Mike & Bonnie bickering at him and betraying him and even the argument in the car, he kept it together up until that point where Jane pulled that stunt that involved a baby's life. Do I agree with his action? No, do I understand why? Yes. What was Jane's excuse?
Any father? Hell no. She said it was an "accident" and showed remorse (even if it was all an act). Both of them like I said weren't in the r… moreight mind. Kenny is unstable and Jane was extremely reckless. Kenny can be pissed all he wants about the baby but that doesn't give him the right to kill her because frankly he doesn't even know what heck happened. He only thinks he knows what happened. To sum up. She lied instigated and dragged it on. He was overly aggressive and didn't take pause. Jane wasn't right to make the test and Kenny wasn't right in how he reacted.
I had wished Luke was alive and that Jane had a better plan, or atleast explained to Clementine that she's trying to show what Kenny would likely do if something happens to AJ. In the end, I agree that Jane is the best choice.
I shot Kenny.
Jane was right, unfortunately the man was a walking time-bomb, despite loving Kenny, I couldn't let him kill Jane, so I sho… moret him for good. and he even thanked me for it, saying that I had made the right choice and he failed me. I didn't entirely agree with Jane's "plan", but I got the message, and I forgave her in the end.
I was happy with my ending! I think Jane is the best choice! and I was very happy when she returned. would be perfect if Luke hadn't died. He and Jane were a cute couple, and deserved a fresh start back in Carver's Camp.
R.I.P Luke. ;..(
R.I.P Kenny!!! ;..(
There was a time she could've explained but instead she held out her knife and threatened him. And she as also trying to kill him. She wanted a fight because she could've ended it anytime by telling him the baby was alive.
And when was she supposed to explain it? When Kenny beat up her Face? When he tried to cut her open? Kenn didn't even asked what happened, o… morer didn't listen (Can't remember the exact dialogue), and immediately attacked her. He didn't even stop for a second when she said it was an accident. A sane person would have at least listened to her.
You mean how he'd throw a hissy fit on a defenseless man who was not at all responsible for Luke's accidental death? Kenny was utterly brainless when it came to his treatment of Arvo - any rational man would realize that it may be best not to constantly antagonize someone who's already been neutralized and lost their entire family.
Arvo wasn't any more 'deserving' - he didn't even kill any of Kenny's group, and he'd tried to stop the gunfight once he discovered that they had a baby. Kenny, on the other hand, killed one of Carver's men and brought zombies into the compound when he refused to work.
Yeah, Kenny was really scaring me in this episode. Everyone was thinking that he was turning into another Carver, and I could see it. The si… moretuation where Kenny beats up Arvo is similar to when Carver beats Kenny. There's some conflict, Kenny says "Heh, fucker" and then Carver rips into him. After the group crossed the lake and Kenny started yelling, Arvo said "Fuck you!" and then Kenny pulverized him...I just thought that it was a little too similar. I know that Arvo was perhaps "more deserving" of the beating than Kenny had been, but still....
Kenny needed to stop thinking that he knew what was best for the kid.
He also needed to realize that Alvin Jr was not the ONLY living thi… moreng in the group.
So did Lilly. Lol, she never got a chance to save her father. Good ol' Kenny always knows was best. Lilly can basically mirror Kenny. You piss off broken people, and they can kill you. But Jane was trying to point out that Kenny is beyond broken.. turns out, she's right.
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Let's be real here. Throughout both seasons, Kenny has been the main reason for most of the drama within every single group. No one is ever on his side and everyone was afraid of him...except for Lee & even then, he hated Kenny's guts. I mean, you'd think that this would be enough reason to get people to leave right? Yet, some of you look at Bonnie, Mike and Jane as the bad guys for doing what they did. As it stands to show, the entire group would still be around, if it were not for Kenny & we wouldn't be in this mess. I understand that Kenny went through a lot, but even when he didn't, he still had problems.
I'll tell you this. if I was Clem and I saw what Kenny did to Jane, I'd be asking myself "What if that was ME that lost AJ". Heck, Kenny has already gotten violent at Clem and even more so, if you decided to pick Jane. At this point, Kenny is a threat to all those around him and if Lee was alive to witness this, he would've left Kenny's behind a long time ago. I've always tried to reason with Kenny, but no matter what, the dude is just far too gone and is the biggest liability in the group....well, the past groups that is.
But she didn't. and Kenny didn't know she didn't. She could have tried to save the Baby and nevertheless lost it, and Kenny would still (have tried to) murder her. That's Insane, in a very bad way.
And what do you think Kenny would have done if Jane came out with the Truth. Kenny was ready to murder someone even though he doesn't know what happened. I am sure, and Jane knew, that even then Kenny would (have tried to) murder Jane. Maybe even especially then.
She DID say it was an accident, and maybe she would have said sorry, but when was she supposed to do that? Kenny started attacking her only a few seconds after her arrival, and didn't listen at all.
But she implied it did. She lied to get a point across to Clem, and a stupid one at that.
How would she have tried to save the baby and nevertheless lost it? That's impossible. The only way she could have lost it is by throwing it to the walkers and running away, and that's what it was interpreted as.
So losing a Baby, even accidental, is a good reason for people to murder? What if it really would have been an accident? He'd have murdered someone innocent without even listening to them. And that's almost exactly what Lilly did, only she really did suspect the right one (Ben).
Yeah, but your logic fails because Kenny DIDN'T know Jane was messing with him. He thought the Baby was dead, and didn't even listen to Jane, even after she said it was an accident. What if Jane would NOT have messed with Kenny, and it really was an accident? Kenny would have killed someone innocent. Just as Lilly did.
And when was she supposed to explain it? When Kenny beat up her Face? When he tried to cut her open? Kenn didn't even asked what happened, or didn't listen (Can't remember the exact dialogue), and immediately attacked her. He didn't even stop for a second when she said it was an accident. A sane person would have at least listened to her.
All humans are monsters in the right circumstances.
Don't poke the bear. He will put a knife in your chest.
Please what? What kind of logic is that? So I can't try to save someone and still lose? So a Medic can't try to save someone hurt and still lose him? And a firefighter could not try to save someone from a burning house and still lose him/her? And didn't Clem in just the same Episode try to save Luke's life and still not save him? Would it be okay for Bonny to murder her then? In your logic, it seems that way. Before you argue, remember that Kenny didn't know what happened and that jane was messing with him.
The Baby could have been bitten while she ran into a walker, or she could have stumbled and the baby could have been bitten/eaten. Remember, it was stormy and you couldn't see far. And the Baby wasn't clued to Jane or could run away by itself.
Seriously, do you really think you can't try to save someone and still not manage to save someone?.
And how is it a stupid point if the point was 100% correct? Kenny DID go crazy, without knowing what happened.
Hell Yeah SaltBro
I shot Kenny.
Jane was right, unfortunately the man was a walking time-bomb, despite loving Kenny, I couldn't let him kill Jane, so I shot him for good. and he even thanked me for it, saying that I had made the right choice and he failed me. I didn't entirely agree with Jane's "plan", but I got the message, and I forgave her in the end.
I was happy with my ending! I think Jane is the best choice! and I was very happy when she returned. would be perfect if Luke hadn't died. He and Jane were a cute couple, and deserved a fresh start back in Carver's Camp.
R.I.P Luke. ;..(
R.I.P Kenny!!! ;..(
Yes. My eyes were teary after I shot him, but I don't regret my choice. Kenny became a broken man, sadly.. but now he is free! -_-
I thought she killed it or just abandoned it in the snow. She didn't answer when I asked her 'What did you do?!' and just said to not get in the way of whatever happens so I figured she was gonna start some shit. I tried to de-escalate the situation, but I knew she was a loon so I let Kenny kill her in the end. Super glad I did, Kenny is the man. Just wished I hadn't pulled Kenny's arm and got him slashed as a result.
Jane's insanity is to respark the sisterhood she shared early with her sister with Clementine to her own agenda.
You mean how he'd rather enact revenge/justice for the death of Luke and the suffering of Clem?
Think from more than one perspective.
The way Kenny acted when Jane "lost" the baby was just... not cool. He does admit to losing his mind and just seeing red, which is incredibly dangerous.
But damn, he bounces back in a huge way if you let him live. He got us to Wellington and probably gives his own life for us to be safe.
I love how Kenny, no matter what choice you make, reassures you that you'd done the right thing. Ah, Kenny. You glorious, insane, dangerous bastard.
Kenny wasn't twisted though. Jane pushed him and pushed him as best she could, decieved both him and Clementine with the intent of pushing him over the edge because she had it in her head that he was losing his shit. But here's the thing- EVERYONE was losing their shit at that point. Clem, Bonnie, Mike, Kenny, and even Clem as far as I'm concerned. But Jane was possibly the worst of them, because she was trying to break another member of her group for her own insane reasons. Jane was the twisted one, not Kenny. Kenny was trying to keep everyone together, and Jane, like always, was trying to remove Kenny from the picture.
So you trusted her even though she was BSing you. She said 'It was an accident', which I personally thought was BS and so did Kenny. Turns out we were right, and she was playing a sick game. But no, Kenny is the coo coo one right?
Yeah, and Jane knew he was gonna explode and try to kill him if she did that AND she did that. Thats the stupidest thing in a world, putting yourself in mortal danger to prove a worthless point, that keny can get crazy.. we ALL know that kenny can get crazy.
With that kind of street smarts shell be dead soon anyways.
Not to mention she wanted to go south before fully exploring. At least in the cold the walkers are inactive..
Obvious plot was obvious, I agree.
If it was ME that lost AJ I would have been much more apologetic and guilty feeling. When Kenny ran out Jane instantly went into serious mode was getting ready to fight Kenny when he came back. It was obvious to me she was up to something.
So here is my thoughts on the whole Kenny Jane shpeel. So the facts are Jane pretended like the baby was dead so Kenny would either stay docile and probably start crying breaking down, or he would become enraged and attack Jane. She knew this, that's why she tells Clem to just watch.
Now in my general opinion Jane was wrong for many reasons but first let's back up ab it to Kenny and his rage. A parent can and will get very protective if someone tries to harm there child like Lee anytime anyone did anything to Clem or Kenny with Duck. When someone kills someone's child that throws them over the edge. In fact if there hadn't been so many people, and the walkers were at their doorstep I feel Kenny would have killed Ben on the spot for what he did. Now go back to S2E5 and let's look at Kenny's emotional loss list Duck, Katjaa, Ben (Determinate if you save him), Walter, Mathew, Sarita, and Alvin (Assumed at the time). That's a lot of ones family to lose in a short time not to mention all the other minor people he had probably become friends Mark, Carly/Doug, ect.
So now to the fight and why Jane was wrong. She comes back with no baby and Kenny assumes she killed the baby and she doesn't deny it. Now maybe if she denied it saying it was a walker I would have felt a little more anger towards Kenny, but she knew what she was doing. She put the baby in a car with broken windows (You could see the snow on the seat), without protection all just to prove a point.
Now as I said before you don't mess with a parent's child. By this point everyone knew Kenny had assumed lead-father role to the child, and she comes back and Kenny Accuses her of killing the baby and she doesn't say she didn't kill the baby, what do you expect to happen. It would be like if in E4 Chuck ran away with Clem only to come back saying he killed her. Lee would not be the happiest man in the world, and realistically probably would have killed Chuck in this scenario.
Yes Kenny is a broken man that could snap. But you don't intentionally make him snap by taking away his only salvation and making it assumed you killed his adoptive child, putting yourself, a baby, and even possibly Clem (Even though she doesn't in fights anything can happen), in danger.
That is my take on this.
Most of the group thought that he was a disaster waiting to happen, I never thought it was going to go as far as them killing each other. I'm not sure what you mean by BSing me since she told Clem to stay away from the situation which I thought was a demonstration of how unstable he has become.
Well like I said she told me "it was an accident", which might not have happened in your playthrough. That's what I meant by BSing, there was no accident, she was doing something crazy.
And yeah, most of the group thought he was a disaster waiting to happen... but he was the only one I trusted in the entire season so I wasn't about to turn on him because he was going through a hard time. He had just lost another one of his ladyfriends, had a couple members of the group betray him, and then had one provoking him the best she could. I would have lost my shit in Clem's situation too, but Clem is more badass than I am I guess.
*Oh, and he had his eye bashed in for covering for Clem.
Well said. And as a father i will agree. If someone hurts my son, they might live. If someone murders my son, or caused his death. I will kill them.
And this isn't me talking like a badass, this is a simple fact.
Yeah, Kenny was really scaring me in this episode. Everyone was thinking that he was turning into another Carver, and I could see it. The situation where Kenny beats up Arvo is similar to when Carver beats Kenny. There's some conflict, Kenny says "Heh, fucker" and then Carver rips into him. After the group crossed the lake and Kenny started yelling, Arvo said "Fuck you!" and then Kenny pulverized him...I just thought that it was a little too similar. I know that Arvo was perhaps "more deserving" of the beating than Kenny had been, but still....
Any father? Hell no. She said it was an "accident" and showed remorse (even if it was all an act). Both of them like I said weren't in the right mind. Kenny is unstable and Jane was extremely reckless. Kenny can be pissed all he wants about the baby but that doesn't give him the right to kill her because frankly he doesn't even know what heck happened. He only thinks he knows what happened. To sum up. She lied instigated and dragged it on. He was overly aggressive and didn't take pause. Jane wasn't right to make the test and Kenny wasn't right in how he reacted.
All i have to say #TeamKenny
Bears can't even hold knives.
TeamKenny. I was absolutely PISSED off when I found out Jane's twisted game, and I have no regrets choosing to trust Kenny until the bitter end.
Touché sir.
Actually, After Kenny tried to punch her the first time, she had a opportunity to explain herself. Instead, she says "Im not gonna back down from you Kenny" or something along those lines.She wanted Kenny to attack her.She didn't try to explain herself. Also, she risked Clem, AJ, and was willing to let herself die just to earn Clem's favor.
Everyone knows Kenny is not a sane person. She's not sane either. They just have different problems. They both show that they will go to the extreme to prove their point and get their way.
Put yourself in his shoes. A woman comes out of snow without the baby you care dearly for, this same woman has a history of leaving people and it doesn't help you don't trust this woman also. You go outside to look for the baby and come back and get angry and she pulls out a knife and threatens you instead of explaining what happened as you are boiling with anger. Though granted Kenny kind of took it too far and considering he had people like Mike & Bonnie bickering at him and betraying him and even the argument in the car, he kept it together up until that point where Jane pulled that stunt that involved a baby's life. Do I agree with his action? No, do I understand why? Yes. What was Jane's excuse?
I had wished Luke was alive and that Jane had a better plan, or atleast explained to Clementine that she's trying to show what Kenny would likely do if something happens to AJ. In the end, I agree that Jane is the best choice.
not so obvious for me unfortunately, I ended up shooting Kenny but then left Jane because I was pissed when she revealed her plan
There was a time she could've explained but instead she held out her knife and threatened him. And she as also trying to kill him. She wanted a fight because she could've ended it anytime by telling him the baby was alive.
You mean how he'd throw a hissy fit on a defenseless man who was not at all responsible for Luke's accidental death? Kenny was utterly brainless when it came to his treatment of Arvo - any rational man would realize that it may be best not to constantly antagonize someone who's already been neutralized and lost their entire family.
Arvo wasn't any more 'deserving' - he didn't even kill any of Kenny's group, and he'd tried to stop the gunfight once he discovered that they had a baby. Kenny, on the other hand, killed one of Carver's men and brought zombies into the compound when he refused to work.
Same with Arvo. He was a broken kid and was afraid that Clementine was still too loyal to Kenny & Jane to be trusted.