They all went looking for the kid, as they returned to the car, all their stuff was gone. The hungrier they got, more the wife blamed him, until finally she took off and took the daughter with her.
So yeah. Stealing the supplies broke the camel's back eventually.
Stranger said when they gave up the search she called him a monster. Like I said the supplies thing hurt but not having supplies usually doe… moresn't mean abandon your husband and try it on your own with nothing when you're trying to keep a little girl safe. She left because she hated her husband. This is just my take on it however. The stranger thought it was because of the supplies so maybe but in cannon stranger said his wife called him a monster. He took Clem because he lost his family and wanted to make a new family (again he said exactly this).
Kenny has done alot (depending on your playthruogh it might be a whole lot lol) but The strangers problems began when he lost his son hunting. Nothing trumps the death of a child to a parent. I am one so yeah its a completely biased view on this subject because if my wife lost our kid I could never look at her without feeling completely disgusted. Like she was a monster. Especially since the child … [view original content]
They all went looking for the kid, as they returned to the car, all their stuff was gone. The hungrier they got, more the wife blamed him, u… morentil finally she took off and took the daughter with her.
So yeah. Stealing the supplies broke the camel's back eventually.
I was talking about Ben and Jane being those 2 friends. Clementine voted not to leave ben behind saying "we dont leave friends behind" and she clearly stated that Ben is her friend. Kenny still wanted him dead.
She dodged the charge and took her knife out and said he wont back down. After she saw Kenny calming down, she put her knife away and Kenny charged. After some fighting, Jane is on ground and Kenny charges her, forcing her to slash him with her knife. Without doing that, Kenny could have just pinned her on ground and bash her face to shit or choke her to death.
And again, Wellington was a story, they had no actual evidence of its existance, and rational people like Jane dont risk their lifes because of stories. (for this very reason, many religious nuts have died, because they believed god would protect from snake poison or shit like that).
Bonnie and Mike? Friends? They betrayed not only Kenny but Clementine. If their plan worked out they would have stranded them in the middle … moreof nowhere with no supplies. In times as hard as the apocalypse they were lucky they didn't get shot which yes, they deserved it for leaving Clem and the baby hungry.
No, she dodged his charge and took out her knife. In that same room she slices his stomach... So much for just "testing" him.
"Where there's smoke, there is fire", as always Kenny is once again right and Wellington is in fact there. He took the risk and AJ and Clem get rewarded.
She didn't give a single fuck about our group until she overheard Kenny's plan to get out. "Mmm, these people I was perfectly content to ignore until then can be useful to me after all, let's profit". And Jane's 'precious information' was something Clem already knew anyway.
She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
I'd like to point out that almost everyone had a gun actually, and the only one Troy had at gunpoint was Luke, he couldn't watch every single one of them at the same time. And making Troy a dinnerbell is not that smart when the whole idea is to sneak our way calmly and unnoticed through the herd. A gunfire shot was risky, it could have made all Walkers excited and caused them to converge at the same towards the noise, that is, towards us, making the herd more compact and more difficult to go through. It doesn't qualify as stupid either, since Troy needed to be dealt with and there weren't thousand ways to do that, but it doesn't qualify as smart : it's just you can hardly see another way.
She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd.
Nice from her, but at first she wasn't exactly coming to their help, she bumped into Clementine by accident while leaving on her own. If she had made her own escape faster, one can wonder wether she would have returned into the herd once safe. But I'll grant you that after she accidentally got reunited with Rebecca and Clem, she could have ignored them and she didn't. Still, one can wonder wether she didn't rather just realize at this point how tight the herd was and simply needed Clem's help to make herself a cowcatcher safely (needed her to get its attention).
She saved Sarah and Luke from the trailer park, nobody else would've gone out looking for them.
She wasn't looking for them either, as the real reason she wanted Clementine to go with her was she wanted to have a talk away from the others. She says so herself. They casually happened to find themselves where Luke and Sarah were trapped. (The good point for Jane here is that when we hear the cries for help, she volunteers to go in there.) I have nothing to say about the Sarah part since I understand Jane's reasons after what she's been through with her own sister. But people who loved Sarah might think otherwise.
She found the observation deck which saved a couple lives
Which was incredibly difficult to "find" indeed, since it's a fucking big building that stands at less than one minute (two at worst) walk from the memorial and is the closest one of two buildings we were going to check out no matter what anyway... Bonnie claimed dibs on checking the museum, so Jane went for the other. Clem "found" the observation deck on her own in a blink of an eye when she decides to go check on Jane. So does Luke when he finally wonders what the fuck they're doing.
She protected Clem from Arvo, what if Jane wasn't there and Arvo saw Clem? Who knows what would've happend then.
Before even being aware of Jane's presence : "I'm going to go, I don't want to shoot". So, yeah, we do know what would've happened, he was going to go and leave Clem alone.
She teaches Clem new survival skills
Okay.
She gives Clem a nail file which saves her life in ep 5
Okay.
She cares for the group to steal meds from some random guy who has a sick sister
Robbing at gunpoint a frail frightened teenager from meds he says are for his sick sister is not exactly something I would call an admirable action. Nor a smart one, especially after learning this Arvo is part of a larger group ("I have many friends. In the woods", and we have no reason to doubt it because it totally makes sense, no way this guy with a weak leg and a sick sister could make it this far into the ZA). A group you could already bet your ass we'd better never cross ways with if we treated this guy wrong. What happens later ? Bingo, this group we pissed off sets an ambush on us, vengeful and determined to rob our group to make it up for the stolen meds, leading to a gunfight. No one can tell for certain we could have made friends if we had treated Arvo right, but they wouldn't have gone out of their way to find us, and when we would finally meet them Arvo could have spoken in our favor. When you meet a survivor who says to have "many friends" in a direction we might very well head to later, you think twice before giving him reasons to see you as bad people. Yes we had people who needed the medicine, but we could have at least tried to ask him first and try to make him understand our need, instead of going immediately "Hey ! I don't give a shit, we've got people who need this more than yours !", ruining any chance he would offer to help or be convinced to.
She saves Kenny and the group from Vitali
See above. Situation would not have happened if she hadn't treated Arvo this way. Hell, if Jane hadn't been so agressive and mean from the start, we might have convinced Arvo to share some of the medicine with us and the Russians would have been friends and helped us later on the road. But if we consider what's done is done, yeah I guess, we can be thankful to Jane for saving us from the deadly danger she brought on us. Still, the least she could do, if you want my opinion.
She risks her life to save Clem, she ran on the ice lake which could've broke any minute.
Okay. (About the nail file, you already told that)
She saves Clem from Mike and Bonnie and Arvo ( Sure Kenny helped but if only Kenny was there they wouldve overpowered Kenny and stole the truck )
All I heard as Clem passed out was Kenny's voice, so I can't help but chuckle at your phrasing. "Jane saves Clem, sure Kenny helped". More like "Kenny saves Clem, sure Jane helped" and actually "highly likely" would fit in better than "sure" cause we can only assume that and never get any confirmation. If you insist that only one of them gets to qualify as Clem's saviour on this particular instance, I vote for the guy we knew for certain rushed to Clem's help before anyone else.
She takes care of the baby 2 times
Possible, this claim is too vague for me wanting to verify it. Out of my mind I can only remember her holding him in the car, but you might be right.
She tries to do the best for Clem by revealing who Kenny really is and what he would if the baby died
Lol. There's so much wrong in using that as a good point for Jane, but I will only bring to your attention that unlike everything from Itchy_Tasty's list who is only all unquestionably commendable actions and things everyone can thank him for or admire him for, what Jane did is not only extremely controversial and morally dubious, but Clem is far from thankful to Jane for forcing her to shoot Kenny. At best, she forgives her. As per strict definition, "to forgive : to stop feeling anger toward (someone who has done something wrong)". Just because Clem can forgive Jane for this doesn't mean she thinks highly of this action like you seem to imply.
If you let her live she will take you to Howes and you will find food and baby formula, plus the building is safe from any walkers.
Alright...
She only met Clem for a couple of weeks and she already did more than Kenny would ever do
You should have used this as a conclusion, not as one of your points, since this is nothing but a blatantly biased (and ridiculous) assertion. (Gotta love the assumption about what would take place in a hypothetical future)
Jane:
* She got them out of Carvers lair, you all know how bad that place is and if they stayed any longer Carver could've killed anoth… moreer member, raped, tortured? So she basically saved some lives here
* She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
* She saved Rebecca and Clementine from the herd.
* She saved Sarah and Luke from the trailer park, nobody else would've gone out looking for them. She did wanna save Sarah but she knew Sarah wasn't gonna make it. Also when Clementine tries to get Sarah out she tells Clementine to come out because if she stays any longer she could've died with Sarah (She saves Clem 3 times now)
* She found the observation deck which saved a couple lives
* She protected Clem from Arvo, what if Jane wasn't there and Arvo saw Clem? Who knows what would've happend then.
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Who said I was a Kenny fan everyone makes there own decisions I don't need to justify to you why I chose Kenny and Bros you say haha hardly I think you have Jane so far up the pooper your constipated with fanboyism lol
I cant really see how Kenny fans dont understand why she did it...
She did it because she knew that they were going to seperate, and she wa… morented to win Clem on her side.
You say its manipulative, i say it was clever way to show what Kenny has become.
Only reason you wouldnt want to shoot Kenny and allow him murder innocent girl, is because you have been bros with him since season 1, which is stupid reason. If Kenny was new character in season 2, no one would want to let him live.
I don't think Jane and Kenny were ever friends. Between Carver's camp and Sarita's death, there just wasn't any time for them to build rapport. As I said before, Kenny knew her track record and he distrusted her and this was within 3 days since Sarita, his emotional anchor, died. When he found out his last hope had died in the hands of Jane, he just completely lost it because he assumed she left it behind to save herself or worse. Jane didn't exactly help the situation by playing along with the lie until it was too late. Nobody deserved to die there.
It wasn't that simple, in Kenny's eyes Ben indirectly caused his family's death. It's obvious Kenny wasn't going to be on his side and it's understandable why he felt that way. This doesn't matter anymore because Ben stands up to him and Kenny understood that he was in the wrong. In the end he risks his life trying to save/give Ben a painless death as opposed to let him die a painful and possibly long death.
I was talking about Ben and Jane being those 2 friends. Clementine voted not to leave ben behind saying "we dont leave friends behind" an… mored she clearly stated that Ben is her friend. Kenny still wanted him dead.
She dodged the charge and took her knife out and said he wont back down. After she saw Kenny calming down, she put her knife away and Kenny charged. After some fighting, Jane is on ground and Kenny charges her, forcing her to slash him with her knife. Without doing that, Kenny could have just pinned her on ground and bash her face to shit or choke her to death.
And again, Wellington was a story, they had no actual evidence of its existance, and rational people like Jane dont risk their lifes because of stories. (for this very reason, many religious nuts have died, because they believed god would protect from snake poison or shit like that).
And knowing this, people should realize that they cant let Kenny make the same mistake again. There should have been option to shoot kenny in leg or something, but telltale loves to make people sad, so they made us shoot him or let him make another mistake.
I don't think Jane and Kenny were ever friends. Between Carver's camp and Sarita's death, there just wasn't any time for them to build rappo… morert. As I said before, Kenny knew her track record and he distrusted her and this was within 3 days since Sarita, his emotional anchor, died. When he found out his last hope had died in the hands of Jane, he just completely lost it because he assumed she left it behind to save herself or worse. Jane didn't exactly help the situation by playing along with the lie until it was too late. Nobody deserved to die there.
It wasn't that simple, in Kenny's eyes Ben indirectly caused his family's death. It's obvious Kenny wasn't going to be on his side and it's understandable why he felt that way. This doesn't matter anymore because Ben stands up to him and Kenny understood that he was in the wrong. In the end he risks his life trying to save/give Ben a painless death as opposed to let him die a painful and possibly long death.
Yeah, it was easy. I just wish it could've been done sooner. Like when the group is being escorted to Howe's Hardware, just let Kenny go through with his hideous plan and get himself killed. Apparently, the door was a Kenny fan too XD
What does Jane know? Jane never acted on what she thought Kenny would become, but on what he is. The first thing she says about Kenny is in EP5 and something about how he's lost it already.
How many Carvers has she known? How many groups have she and her sister been with, and then later just herself? I don't care. Her knowledge and experience isn't the be-all and end-all to surviving and dealing with people in this new world, as much as she likes to imply it.
I'm tired of this "Kenny wants to die and he's crazy, that makes it okay" spiel. Jane betrayed Clem's trust, I don't care if it was "for the best". He's not some dog you get to put down when it gets sick or rabid or old. That trick was just about the most despicable thing Jane had done. "Just give up on her, she can't make it. What are you going to do with the baby? Uh-oh, I, the baby, it...'s right over there! Haha, Kenny had to die, didn't he? Wait, Clem, where are you going? Clem? Clem? Urban?"
Jane knew what Kenny would become sooner or later, and she wanted to protect Clementine from that. Making Kenny believe that the baby had di… moreed was just the right thing to show what Kenny is capable of and she thought that would be enough to convince Clementine to leave Kenny and come with Jane instead. I knew that i had to put Kenny down or atleast leave him, even before the fight started.
Kenny becoming another Carver wasnt matter of if, but when, and thats the reason Jane had to trick Kenny into showing his true colors.
Congrats Telltale. You have officially twilighted your fan base.
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Team Jane ftw
I haven't read anything too much here, but a lot I have read elsewhere is just bogus
1) AJ was not in danger. He was in a secure car bundled up, with hardly any walkers around. Even if there were walkers around they were most likely frozen by then (hence Clementines calm trek through the blizzard)
2) Jane didn't just abandon her sister. She dragged her through hell until she could literally do nothing to help her. Plus, I doubt Clementine would freeze up, and I find it even more unlikely Jane would just walk away. Yes, she almost left Sarah at the trailer park, but that's because she didn't want to drag her through hell when all she wanted was peace. Plus, I think she might've learned something from Clementine's determination. (Determinant)
3) Read this from some bozo here saying Jane taught Clem stuff she already knew. Well, before that there was no in game option to kick the walkers in the leg, soooo (Well, as far as I can remember. Correct me if I'm wrong)
4) I didn't want to kill Kenny. Realize no one wanted to kill Kenny.
* I can safely assume so.
* She didnt back off because she said so right in the begining. She told Kenny that baby was dead, and Kenny Draw… more his own conclusions and after that, there was no way to talk sense to him. (we all know once Kenny decides something, its pretty much impossible to change his mind)
Why would Jane want to kill Kenny? Even she says that she wanted to leave Kenny behind, she had no reason to kill him.
You can't save the world.
You see bad stuff long enough, and you become hardened by it, eventually.
Even Kenny made the comment to Lilly: "We're the ones who've been putting our lives on the line, making these runs into the city. You wouldnt believe the shit we see." Kenny's responsibility was 1st to his family, then the group, and then others.
There was nothing could do for the girl at the drugstore.
No way they could save her.
So Kenny decided to use her sealed fate to their advantage.
Whether or not they did so, was entirely up to the player.
And as far as leaving Omid behind, Kenny just lost his wife and sn that very day.
So naturally he's not gonna be able to think straight.
And yet you still want to call Kenny a bad guy.?
There was a case in Season 4 of the tv show, where a man was surrounded by walkers, and Carl was going to start shooting to try and help.
Rick however stopped him and told Carl there was nothing they could do, thus the guy got eaten alive.
At that point, it was Rick, Carl, and Michonne at out in the open.
And Rick made the call to let someone die, to protect his son.
Same thing when Rick killed that guy, and his buddies who were gonna kill Daryl, Michonne, and rape Carl.
Rick tore the leaders juggler out with his teeth!
And he did so, primarily to protect his son, as well save the others.
And when Rick lost Lori, he went crazy for a while.
And in his state of crazed-grief, did not make the best decisions.
So would you also call Rick a bad guy to?
So letting that girl getting eaten was just ok in 3rd episode on first season? And the fact that he wanted to leave Omid behind because he n… moreeeded rest? Kenny wanted to murder/leave behind 2 of Clementines friends, and player makes Clem feel ok with that? Some just want Clem to be psyco like Kenny.
You can't save the world.
You see bad stuff long enough, and you become hardened by it, eventually.
Even Kenny made the comment to Lilly: … more"We're the ones who've been putting our lives on the line, making these runs into the city. You wouldnt believe the shit we see." Kenny's responsibility was 1st to his family, then the group, and then others.
There was nothing could do for the girl at the drugstore.
No way they could save her.
So Kenny decided to use her sealed fate to their advantage.
Whether or not they did so, was entirely up to the player.
And as far as leaving Omid behind, Kenny just lost his wife and sn that very day.
So naturally he's not gonna be able to think straight.
And yet you still want to call Kenny a bad guy.?
There was a case in Season 4 of the tv show, where a man was surrounded by walkers, and Carl was going to start shooting to try and help.
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So since you are so rational person, i suppose you agree with me on this subject.
The baby should have been killed/left behind, since bringing him with them would cause too high risk of being killed by walkers because babys are very loud.
So since you are so rational person, i suppose you agree with me on this subject.
The baby should have been killed/left behind, since bringing him with them would cause too high risk of being killed by walkers because babys are very loud.
The baby's not an option to sacrifice so your argument is invalid and irrational.
I'm sorry if you're upset but Kenny was the one who could keep Clem safe...Jane was unstable and weak.
Congrats Telltale. You have officially twilighted your fan base.
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Team Jane ftw
I haven't read anything too much here, but a lot I … morehave read elsewhere is just bogus
1) AJ was not in danger. He was in a secure car bundled up, with hardly any walkers around. Even if there were walkers around they were most likely frozen by then (hence Clementines calm trek through the blizzard)
2) Jane didn't just abandon her sister. She dragged her through hell until she could literally do nothing to help her. Plus, I doubt Clementine would freeze up, and I find it even more unlikely Jane would just walk away. Yes, she almost left Sarah at the trailer park, but that's because she didn't want to drag her through hell when all she wanted was peace. Plus, I think she might've learned something from Clementine's determination. (Determinant)
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If Kenny was efficient survivor and rational, he wouldnt care about a baby dying, thus he wouldnt try to kill Jane.
Just stop it already.… more.. You are just embarrassing yourself with poor troll attempts.
ps. are you sure you know what "irrational" means?
I never said it was a good idea or bad just saying it was irrelevant to who was the best survivor as the baby lives in any ending. You're not bored you just think I'm wrong which is your choice...doesn't mean you are correct tho!
Im not getting angry, im getting bored.
And what i meant is if that was a real situation in real zombie apocalypse, leaving that baby behind would be the most rational thing to do.
I ended up choosing Jane over Kenny despite the fact that Kenny and Clem go way back. My main problem with Kenny is that wherever he goes the tension always ends up shooting through the roof. He's a man of action and he's awesome in a fight, but he's not someone I want to have to deal with every single day. Especially considering how he reacts when he gets angry, and also considering the apocalypse scenario. I know he is a good guy at heart but he's way too volatile for my liking. It doesn't help that as time went on he kept giving me reasons not to trust him completely and slowly forget the good guy he is. Heck, I didn't even fully get along with him with Lee even though we did trust each other.
Jane is more level-headed and a lot easier to get along with. She's more relaxed as a person. She's also good at surviving, been through a lot, and is more cooperative when put together in a group of people. I envisioned having an easier time surviving with her than being stuck with Kenny again. She did try to leave the group (which I understood), but I think the fact that she came back (ignoring her better judgment) shows just how much she cares. She also has a much stronger control over her emotions compared to Kenny, which is a huge help when going through any kind of conflict.
I never said it was a good idea or bad just saying it was irrelevant to who was the best survivor as the baby lives in any ending. You're not bored you just think I'm wrong which is your choice...doesn't mean you are correct tho!
You're not thinking clearly I said "I never said it was a good idea or bad idea, just saying it was irrelevant." The baby had nothing to do with who survives the fight. Strength did. Jane lost the fight that she started with her lies. What don't you understand. The baby won't die in the game no matter what you pick. So it doesn't matter for who survives.
You should really learn the facts so that you don't sound ignorant and have to talk about babies dying when that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Sorry if you take offense to the things I've said.
I chose neither Jane or Kenny.
I ended up killing Kenny because I knew he was going to kill Jane otherwise. I didn't want that to happen but I didn't want to do it either. When I found out how she was being manipulative after the fact I took her advice and decided to leave her behind too. I mean what she did was no better than teasing a dog to bite you to prove a point that "the dog is bad" when its not really all that true. I'm not going to try to survive in a group with manipulative behavior such as that. If we were to group together, as far as I see it, she would nitpick about everything wrong with any group we may find and then do anything to cause trouble like she has in the past. (Or at least that is how I seen it.)
The choice was really AJ for the replacement for Duck or Clem for the replacement of Jane's sister. I'm glad I wasn't forced to pick between those two choices.
I see Rick as more of a moralist.
He stands firm by his principles, but like Herschel, will compromise to protect his family.
Yes Rick can indeed be brutal in a fight, as could Lee, but he's loving to those who are his own.
And when it came to the remaining survivors of Woodbury, he took them in and gave them a place to stay, food, water, and security.
Rick game them a home, even though they had once been with the man who had tried to kill Rick and his bunch.
You wanna talk about someone who's a bad guy, look no further than The Governor, and Shane Walsh.
Shane murdered Otis, who was trying to help get supplies for a severely wounded Carl.
And left Otis to die.
Rick wouldn't have done that, but would've had Otis's back all the way.
Daryl to.
Rick even came back for Shane,who was trapped in a bus by walkers, even though Shane and him were now mortal enemies.
Cause it was the right thing to do.
The Governor, murdered an entire group of people, all because they were scared.
And he killed a defenseless Herschel.
Rick wouldn't have done that.
Nor would Daryl.
I understand that the girls faith was sealed, but letting her suffer very painful death wasnt the right thing to do.
He does anything to save what matters to himself. I dont know if you understand this, but rick is antihero. And he is a bad guy.
i dont want to kill Kenny really but im already decided to go with Jane since they were in the car, i simply want to abandon Kenny and the kid, it was a tough choice shooting Kenny
She didn't give a single fuck about our group until she overheard Kenny's plan to get out. "Mmm, these people I was perfectly content to ignore until then can be useful to me after all, let's profit". And Jane's 'precious information' was something Clem already knew anyway.
Who cares? She got them out Carver's lair and that's what important. Sure Clem knew it too but Jane said it first.
I'd like to point out that almost everyone had a gun actually, and the only one Troy had at gunpoint was Luke, he couldn't watch every single one of them at the same time. And making Troy a dinnerbell is not that smart when the whole idea is to sneak our way calmly and unnoticed through the herd. A gunfire shot was risky, it could have made all Walkers excited and caused them to converge at the same towards the noise, that is, towards us, making the herd more compact and more difficult to go through. It doesn't qualify as stupid either, since Troy needed to be dealt with and there weren't thousand ways to do that, but it doesn't qualify as smart : it's just you can hardly see another way.
Hm but Jane manipulated into thinking he'd come with us which prevented him from shooting one of us then she shot him. It is smart since the walkers would get attracted to Troy while the group walks unseen.
Nice from her, but at first she wasn't exactly coming to their help, she bumped into Clementine by accident while leaving on her own. If she had made her own escape faster, one can wonder wether she would have returned into the herd once safe. But I'll grant you that after she accidentally got reunited with Rebecca and Clem, she could have ignored them and she didn't. Still, one can wonder wether she didn't rather just realize at this point how tight the herd was and simply needed Clem's help to make herself a cowcatcher safely (needed her to get its attention).
Still, the whole group left Clem alone and she was the only one who helped them. Who leaves a Kid and a pregnant lady in a herd? -_- The only reason she made a cow catcher is because Rebecca didn't want to bump into some walkers. She didn't need Clems help :P If you don't help her she does it alone.
She wasn't looking for them either, as the real reason she wanted Clementine to go with her was she wanted to have a talk away from the others. She says so herself. They casually happened to find themselves where Luke and Sarah were trapped. (The good point for Jane here is that when we hear the cries for help, she volunteers to go in there.) I have nothing to say about the Sarah part since I understand Jane's reasons after what she's been through with her own sister. But people who loved Sarah might think otherwise.
Yeah she wanted to talk to Clem but they were trying to find Luke and Sarah also, she just said that she doesn't believe they are alive.
Which was incredibly difficult to "find" indeed, since it's a fucking big building that stands at less than one minute (two at worst) walk from the memorial and is the closest one of two buildings we were going to check out no matter what anyway... Bonnie claimed dibs on checking the museum, so Jane went for the other. Clem "found" the observation deck on her own in a blink of an eye when she decides to go check on Jane. So does Luke when he finally wonders what the fuck they're doing.
Yeah and who picked the lock? Jane, with her own tools. Last time I checked nobody had the required tools to unlock/break the lock so yeah .
Before even being aware of Jane's presence : "I'm going to go, I don't want to shoot". So, yeah, we do know what would've happened, he was going to go and leave Clem alone.
Hm honestly I don't know what would've happened here, so im gonna drop this point.
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Robbing at gunpoint a frail frightened teenager from meds he says are for his sick sister is not exactly something I would call an admirable action. Nor a smart one, especially after learning this Arvo is part of a larger group ("I have many friends. In the woods", and we have no reason to doubt it because it totally makes sense, no way this guy with a weak leg and a sick sister could make it this far into the ZA). A group you could already bet your ass we'd better never cross ways with if we treated this guy wrong. What happens later ? Bingo, this group we pissed off sets an ambush on us, vengeful and determined to rob our group to make it up for the stolen meds, leading to a gunfight. No one can tell for certain we could have made friends if we had treated Arvo right, but they wouldn't have gone out of their way to find us, and when we would finally meet them Arvo could have spoken in our favor. When you meet a survivor who says to have "many friends" in a direction we might very well head to later, you think twice before giving him reasons to see you as bad people. Yes we had people who needed the medicine, but we could have at least tried to ask him first and try to make him understand our need, instead of going immediately "Hey ! I don't give a shit, we've got people who need this more than yours !", ruining any chance he would offer to help or be convinced to.
You do realize even if you don't steal the meds Arvo still blames your group? Arvo wanted to escape with his sister from his crazy group thats why he hid the meds. Sure Jane didn't have to be aggressive but she didn't know that his group were a bunch of scavengers/hunters. He wouldn't have given the meds anyway ( My people are suffering as much as yours, you are not special ) He looked like he was lying too since he was hiding the meds so Jane thought he was a junkie. She still chooses to rob the defenseless teenager for the group.
See above. Situation would not have happened if she hadn't treated Arvo this way. Hell, if Jane hadn't been so agressive and mean from the start, we might have convinced Arvo to share some of the medicine with us and the Russians would have been friends and helped us later on the road. But if we consider what's done is done, yeah I guess, we can be thankful to Jane for saving us from the deadly danger she brought on us. Still, the least she could do, if you want my opinion.
Arvo blames you even if you choose to not take the medicine, so the gunfight was all his fault.
Okay. (About the nail file, you already told that)
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All I heard as Clem passed out was Kenny's voice, so I can't help but chuckle at your phrasing. "Jane saves Clem, sure Kenny helped". More like "Kenny saves Clem, sure Jane helped" and actually "highly likely" would fit in better than "sure" cause we can only assume that and never get any confirmation. If you insist that only one of them gets to qualify as Clem's saviour on this particular instance, I vote for the guy we knew for certain rushed to Clem's help before anyone else.
Hm I think I know what happened. (Kenny: WHAT DID YOU DO?!. CLEM! WHAT DID YOU!?) He seems to be chasing after Mike and Bonnie and Arvo while Jane fixes up Clem. ( Jane: I checked, the bullet wasn't inside you ) This is similar to the lake situation however since both of them helped I'll give them that.
Possible, this claim is too vague for me wanting to verify it. Out of my mind I can only remember her holding him in the car, but you might be right.
She takes care of him in the house, in the car and when they get out of the car. ( She carries the baby with two hands and can't hold a gun, very risky ) So this is 3 times.
Lol. There's so much wrong in using that as a good point for Jane, but I will only bring to your attention that unlike everything from Itchy_Tasty's list who is only all unquestionably commendable actions and things everyone can thank him for or admire him for, what Jane did is not only extremely controversial and morally dubious, but Clem is far from thankful to Jane for forcing her to shoot Kenny. At best, she forgives her. As per strict definition, "to forgive : to stop feeling anger toward (someone who has done something wrong)". Just because Clem can forgive Jane for this doesn't mean she thinks highly of this action like you seem to imply.
I only said Jane does what's best for Clem by revealing Kenny's true colors. If Clem ever accidentally killed the baby then know she knows how Kenny would react ( Yeah Kenny would kill Clem ). Sure Clem may not understand, but killing Kenny is the right choice.
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You should have used this as a conclusion, not as one of your points, since this is nothing but a blatantly biased (and ridiculous) assertion. (Gotta love the assumption about what would take place in a hypothetical future)
You cropped my point here, I said she did more good than Kenny would ever do/ever did. Honestly, IMO Kenny is the one who makes all the problems and breaks the group apart. >_<
She got them out of Carvers lair
She didn't give a single fuck about our group until she overheard Kenny's plan to get out. "Mmm, th… moreese people I was perfectly content to ignore until then can be useful to me after all, let's profit". And Jane's 'precious information' was something Clem already knew anyway.
She killed Troy while he had the group at gunpoint. Nobody else had a gun... Also she was smart enough to make Troy a dinnerbell ( Distraction ) to make their escape easier.
I'd like to point out that almost everyone had a gun actually, and the only one Troy had at gunpoint was Luke, he couldn't watch every single one of them at the same time. And making Troy a dinnerbell is not that smart when the whole idea is to sneak our way calmly and unnoticed through the herd. A gunfire shot was risky, it could have made all Walkers excited and caused them to converge at the same towards the noise, that is, towards us, making th… [view original content]
And in action... Jane set off Arvo, causing the Russians to attack. Jane was 1/2 of the reason Luke was not watching for Walkers, thus leading tot he death of Sarah.
Kenny...terrorized an ungrateful little brat who got one guy crippled and killed, didn't help another...and shot Clem.
Bonnie and Mike were good in words and in actions. Was willing to steal all the group's supplies and leave two kids for dead.
Luke...he was learning but Dead.
Jane...manipulative hypocrite who can't let go of her own dead person and tried to get Keny to attack her so she could justify killing him...or worse, make you do it.
I think Lee gets a pass because he actually progressed as a person.
He regrets what he has done, and actively tries to do better.
In c… moreontrast there's Kenny. He regrets some of the things he's done, yet he never ever does better. He's says he'll do better, but it always ends up simply being words.
Um leaving behind the baby isn't a choice ya Derp lol. (not being mean just mostly made me laugh at 8:30 am)
Why is it everyone who agrees with Jane also dislike, don't care about the baby. Shows the kind of thought process one has and with all the talk of Kenny being the emotional choice and Jane the moral choice is just untrue fan fiction crap. How does lying and causing the death of a man to prove a point morally right??? I'll answer for you, its NOT. Both options were picked out of emotions (Love/trust/fear of Kenny or trust/pity/fear of Jane.)
So please stop acting like there is a moral high ground choice. Either way Clem kills someone or lets another die (or both) and not one of those choices is 100% correct
i dont want to kill Kenny really but im already decided to go with Jane since they were in the car, i simply want to abandon Kenny and the kid, it was a tough choice shooting Kenny
I see Rick as more of a moralist.
He stands firm by his principles, but like Herschel, will compromise to protect his family.
Yes Rick can… more indeed be brutal in a fight, as could Lee, but he's loving to those who are his own.
And when it came to the remaining survivors of Woodbury, he took them in and gave them a place to stay, food, water, and security.
Rick game them a home, even though they had once been with the man who had tried to kill Rick and his bunch.
You wanna talk about someone who's a bad guy, look no further than The Governor, and Shane Walsh.
Shane murdered Otis, who was trying to help get supplies for a severely wounded Carl.
And left Otis to die.
Rick wouldn't have done that, but would've had Otis's back all the way.
Daryl to.
Rick even came back for Shane,who was trapped in a bus by walkers, even though Shane and him were now mortal enemies.
Cause it was the right thing to do.
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There is no morally right choice, but Jane worldview is more rational/objective (just like mine), and i would side with her if she wanted to leave the baby behind. We are alike and thats why i pick her.
Um leaving behind the baby isn't a choice ya Derp lol. (not being mean just mostly made me laugh at 8:30 am)
Why is it everyone who agree… mores with Jane also dislike, don't care about the baby. Shows the kind of thought process one has and with all the talk of Kenny being the emotional choice and Jane the moral choice is just untrue fan fiction crap. How does lying and causing the death of a man to prove a point morally right??? I'll answer for you, its NOT. Both options were picked out of emotions (Love/trust/fear of Kenny or trust/pity/fear of Jane.)
So please stop acting like there is a moral high ground choice. Either way Clem kills someone or lets another die (or both) and not one of those choices is 100% correct
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They all went looking for the kid, as they returned to the car, all their stuff was gone. The hungrier they got, more the wife blamed him, until finally she took off and took the daughter with her.
So yeah. Stealing the supplies broke the camel's back eventually.
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I was talking about Ben and Jane being those 2 friends. Clementine voted not to leave ben behind saying "we dont leave friends behind" and she clearly stated that Ben is her friend. Kenny still wanted him dead.
She dodged the charge and took her knife out and said he wont back down. After she saw Kenny calming down, she put her knife away and Kenny charged. After some fighting, Jane is on ground and Kenny charges her, forcing her to slash him with her knife. Without doing that, Kenny could have just pinned her on ground and bash her face to shit or choke her to death.
And again, Wellington was a story, they had no actual evidence of its existance, and rational people like Jane dont risk their lifes because of stories. (for this very reason, many religious nuts have died, because they believed god would protect from snake poison or shit like that).
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I shot Kenny but must say he has one hell of a good story next to clem and lee.
Ok:)
She didn't give a single fuck about our group until she overheard Kenny's plan to get out. "Mmm, these people I was perfectly content to ignore until then can be useful to me after all, let's profit". And Jane's 'precious information' was something Clem already knew anyway.
I'd like to point out that almost everyone had a gun actually, and the only one Troy had at gunpoint was Luke, he couldn't watch every single one of them at the same time. And making Troy a dinnerbell is not that smart when the whole idea is to sneak our way calmly and unnoticed through the herd. A gunfire shot was risky, it could have made all Walkers excited and caused them to converge at the same towards the noise, that is, towards us, making the herd more compact and more difficult to go through. It doesn't qualify as stupid either, since Troy needed to be dealt with and there weren't thousand ways to do that, but it doesn't qualify as smart : it's just you can hardly see another way.
Nice from her, but at first she wasn't exactly coming to their help, she bumped into Clementine by accident while leaving on her own. If she had made her own escape faster, one can wonder wether she would have returned into the herd once safe. But I'll grant you that after she accidentally got reunited with Rebecca and Clem, she could have ignored them and she didn't. Still, one can wonder wether she didn't rather just realize at this point how tight the herd was and simply needed Clem's help to make herself a cowcatcher safely (needed her to get its attention).
She wasn't looking for them either, as the real reason she wanted Clementine to go with her was she wanted to have a talk away from the others. She says so herself. They casually happened to find themselves where Luke and Sarah were trapped. (The good point for Jane here is that when we hear the cries for help, she volunteers to go in there.) I have nothing to say about the Sarah part since I understand Jane's reasons after what she's been through with her own sister. But people who loved Sarah might think otherwise.
Which was incredibly difficult to "find" indeed, since it's a fucking big building that stands at less than one minute (two at worst) walk from the memorial and is the closest one of two buildings we were going to check out no matter what anyway... Bonnie claimed dibs on checking the museum, so Jane went for the other. Clem "found" the observation deck on her own in a blink of an eye when she decides to go check on Jane. So does Luke when he finally wonders what the fuck they're doing.
Before even being aware of Jane's presence : "I'm going to go, I don't want to shoot". So, yeah, we do know what would've happened, he was going to go and leave Clem alone.
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Robbing at gunpoint a frail frightened teenager from meds he says are for his sick sister is not exactly something I would call an admirable action. Nor a smart one, especially after learning this Arvo is part of a larger group ("I have many friends. In the woods", and we have no reason to doubt it because it totally makes sense, no way this guy with a weak leg and a sick sister could make it this far into the ZA). A group you could already bet your ass we'd better never cross ways with if we treated this guy wrong. What happens later ? Bingo, this group we pissed off sets an ambush on us, vengeful and determined to rob our group to make it up for the stolen meds, leading to a gunfight. No one can tell for certain we could have made friends if we had treated Arvo right, but they wouldn't have gone out of their way to find us, and when we would finally meet them Arvo could have spoken in our favor. When you meet a survivor who says to have "many friends" in a direction we might very well head to later, you think twice before giving him reasons to see you as bad people. Yes we had people who needed the medicine, but we could have at least tried to ask him first and try to make him understand our need, instead of going immediately "Hey ! I don't give a shit, we've got people who need this more than yours !", ruining any chance he would offer to help or be convinced to.
See above. Situation would not have happened if she hadn't treated Arvo this way. Hell, if Jane hadn't been so agressive and mean from the start, we might have convinced Arvo to share some of the medicine with us and the Russians would have been friends and helped us later on the road. But if we consider what's done is done, yeah I guess, we can be thankful to Jane for saving us from the deadly danger she brought on us. Still, the least she could do, if you want my opinion.
Okay. (About the nail file, you already told that)
All I heard as Clem passed out was Kenny's voice, so I can't help but chuckle at your phrasing. "Jane saves Clem, sure Kenny helped". More like "Kenny saves Clem, sure Jane helped" and actually "highly likely" would fit in better than "sure" cause we can only assume that and never get any confirmation. If you insist that only one of them gets to qualify as Clem's saviour on this particular instance, I vote for the guy we knew for certain rushed to Clem's help before anyone else.
Possible, this claim is too vague for me wanting to verify it. Out of my mind I can only remember her holding him in the car, but you might be right.
Lol. There's so much wrong in using that as a good point for Jane, but I will only bring to your attention that unlike everything from Itchy_Tasty's list who is only all unquestionably commendable actions and things everyone can thank him for or admire him for, what Jane did is not only extremely controversial and morally dubious, but Clem is far from thankful to Jane for forcing her to shoot Kenny. At best, she forgives her. As per strict definition, "to forgive : to stop feeling anger toward (someone who has done something wrong)". Just because Clem can forgive Jane for this doesn't mean she thinks highly of this action like you seem to imply.
Alright...
You should have used this as a conclusion, not as one of your points, since this is nothing but a blatantly biased (and ridiculous) assertion. (Gotta love the assumption about what would take place in a hypothetical future)
Fin.
Who said I was a Kenny fan everyone makes there own decisions I don't need to justify to you why I chose Kenny and Bros you say haha hardly I think you have Jane so far up the pooper your constipated with fanboyism lol
I don't think Jane and Kenny were ever friends. Between Carver's camp and Sarita's death, there just wasn't any time for them to build rapport. As I said before, Kenny knew her track record and he distrusted her and this was within 3 days since Sarita, his emotional anchor, died. When he found out his last hope had died in the hands of Jane, he just completely lost it because he assumed she left it behind to save herself or worse. Jane didn't exactly help the situation by playing along with the lie until it was too late. Nobody deserved to die there.
It wasn't that simple, in Kenny's eyes Ben indirectly caused his family's death. It's obvious Kenny wasn't going to be on his side and it's understandable why he felt that way. This doesn't matter anymore because Ben stands up to him and Kenny understood that he was in the wrong. In the end he risks his life trying to save/give Ben a painless death as opposed to let him die a painful and possibly long death.
And knowing this, people should realize that they cant let Kenny make the same mistake again. There should have been option to shoot kenny in leg or something, but telltale loves to make people sad, so they made us shoot him or let him make another mistake.
Yeah, it was easy. I just wish it could've been done sooner. Like when the group is being escorted to Howe's Hardware, just let Kenny go through with his hideous plan and get himself killed. Apparently, the door was a Kenny fan too XD
I would probably have shot kenny if it was luke. definitely a harder choice
What does Jane know? Jane never acted on what she thought Kenny would become, but on what he is. The first thing she says about Kenny is in EP5 and something about how he's lost it already.
How many Carvers has she known? How many groups have she and her sister been with, and then later just herself? I don't care. Her knowledge and experience isn't the be-all and end-all to surviving and dealing with people in this new world, as much as she likes to imply it.
I'm tired of this "Kenny wants to die and he's crazy, that makes it okay" spiel. Jane betrayed Clem's trust, I don't care if it was "for the best". He's not some dog you get to put down when it gets sick or rabid or old. That trick was just about the most despicable thing Jane had done. "Just give up on her, she can't make it. What are you going to do with the baby? Uh-oh, I, the baby, it...'s right over there! Haha, Kenny had to die, didn't he? Wait, Clem, where are you going? Clem? Clem? Urban?"
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Congrats Telltale. You have officially twilighted your fan base.
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Team Jane ftw
I haven't read anything too much here, but a lot I have read elsewhere is just bogus
1) AJ was not in danger. He was in a secure car bundled up, with hardly any walkers around. Even if there were walkers around they were most likely frozen by then (hence Clementines calm trek through the blizzard)
2) Jane didn't just abandon her sister. She dragged her through hell until she could literally do nothing to help her. Plus, I doubt Clementine would freeze up, and I find it even more unlikely Jane would just walk away. Yes, she almost left Sarah at the trailer park, but that's because she didn't want to drag her through hell when all she wanted was peace. Plus, I think she might've learned something from Clementine's determination. (Determinant)
3) Read this from some bozo here saying Jane taught Clem stuff she already knew. Well, before that there was no in game option to kick the walkers in the leg, soooo (Well, as far as I can remember. Correct me if I'm wrong)
4) I didn't want to kill Kenny. Realize no one wanted to kill Kenny.
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You can't save the world.
You see bad stuff long enough, and you become hardened by it, eventually.
Even Kenny made the comment to Lilly: "We're the ones who've been putting our lives on the line, making these runs into the city. You wouldnt believe the shit we see." Kenny's responsibility was 1st to his family, then the group, and then others.
There was nothing could do for the girl at the drugstore.
No way they could save her.
So Kenny decided to use her sealed fate to their advantage.
Whether or not they did so, was entirely up to the player.
And as far as leaving Omid behind, Kenny just lost his wife and sn that very day.
So naturally he's not gonna be able to think straight.
And yet you still want to call Kenny a bad guy.?
There was a case in Season 4 of the tv show, where a man was surrounded by walkers, and Carl was going to start shooting to try and help.
Rick however stopped him and told Carl there was nothing they could do, thus the guy got eaten alive.
At that point, it was Rick, Carl, and Michonne at out in the open.
And Rick made the call to let someone die, to protect his son.
Same thing when Rick killed that guy, and his buddies who were gonna kill Daryl, Michonne, and rape Carl.
Rick tore the leaders juggler out with his teeth!
And he did so, primarily to protect his son, as well save the others.
And when Rick lost Lori, he went crazy for a while.
And in his state of crazed-grief, did not make the best decisions.
So would you also call Rick a bad guy to?
You are right... It wasn't a very hard choice after all...
They give me the opportunity to kill Kenny to protect Jane and I take it and save her
Bad trolling attempt.
ps. If Kenny was more efficient survivor than Jane, Kenny wouldnt care that much if a baby died.
I understand that the girls faith was sealed, but letting her suffer very painful death wasnt the right thing to do.
He does anything to save what matters to himself. I dont know if you understand this, but rick is antihero. And he is a bad guy.
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So since you are so rational person, i suppose you agree with me on this subject.
The baby should have been killed/left behind, since bringing him with them would cause too high risk of being killed by walkers because babys are very loud.
The baby's not an option to sacrifice so your argument is invalid and irrational.
I'm sorry if you're upset but Kenny was the one who could keep Clem safe...Jane was unstable and weak.
If Kenny was efficient survivor and rational, he wouldnt care about a baby dying, thus he wouldnt try to kill Jane.
Just stop it already... You are just embarrassing yourself with poor troll attempts.
ps. are you sure you know what "irrational" means?
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Im not getting angry, im getting bored.
And what i meant is if that was a real situation in real zombie apocalypse, leaving that baby behind would be the most rational thing to do.
I never said it was a good idea or bad just saying it was irrelevant to who was the best survivor as the baby lives in any ending. You're not bored you just think I'm wrong which is your choice...doesn't mean you are correct tho!
I ended up choosing Jane over Kenny despite the fact that Kenny and Clem go way back. My main problem with Kenny is that wherever he goes the tension always ends up shooting through the roof. He's a man of action and he's awesome in a fight, but he's not someone I want to have to deal with every single day. Especially considering how he reacts when he gets angry, and also considering the apocalypse scenario. I know he is a good guy at heart but he's way too volatile for my liking. It doesn't help that as time went on he kept giving me reasons not to trust him completely and slowly forget the good guy he is. Heck, I didn't even fully get along with him with Lee even though we did trust each other.
Jane is more level-headed and a lot easier to get along with. She's more relaxed as a person. She's also good at surviving, been through a lot, and is more cooperative when put together in a group of people. I envisioned having an easier time surviving with her than being stuck with Kenny again. She did try to leave the group (which I understood), but I think the fact that she came back (ignoring her better judgment) shows just how much she cares. She also has a much stronger control over her emotions compared to Kenny, which is a huge help when going through any kind of conflict.
Since when the most important thing is that one useless baby survives?
You're not thinking clearly I said "I never said it was a good idea or bad idea, just saying it was irrelevant." The baby had nothing to do with who survives the fight. Strength did. Jane lost the fight that she started with her lies. What don't you understand. The baby won't die in the game no matter what you pick. So it doesn't matter for who survives.
You should really learn the facts so that you don't sound ignorant and have to talk about babies dying when that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Sorry if you take offense to the things I've said.
I chose neither Jane or Kenny.
I ended up killing Kenny because I knew he was going to kill Jane otherwise. I didn't want that to happen but I didn't want to do it either. When I found out how she was being manipulative after the fact I took her advice and decided to leave her behind too. I mean what she did was no better than teasing a dog to bite you to prove a point that "the dog is bad" when its not really all that true. I'm not going to try to survive in a group with manipulative behavior such as that. If we were to group together, as far as I see it, she would nitpick about everything wrong with any group we may find and then do anything to cause trouble like she has in the past. (Or at least that is how I seen it.)
The choice was really AJ for the replacement for Duck or Clem for the replacement of Jane's sister. I'm glad I wasn't forced to pick between those two choices.
I see Rick as more of a moralist.
He stands firm by his principles, but like Herschel, will compromise to protect his family.
Yes Rick can indeed be brutal in a fight, as could Lee, but he's loving to those who are his own.
And when it came to the remaining survivors of Woodbury, he took them in and gave them a place to stay, food, water, and security.
Rick game them a home, even though they had once been with the man who had tried to kill Rick and his bunch.
You wanna talk about someone who's a bad guy, look no further than The Governor, and Shane Walsh.
Shane murdered Otis, who was trying to help get supplies for a severely wounded Carl.
And left Otis to die.
Rick wouldn't have done that, but would've had Otis's back all the way.
Daryl to.
Rick even came back for Shane,who was trapped in a bus by walkers, even though Shane and him were now mortal enemies.
Cause it was the right thing to do.
The Governor, murdered an entire group of people, all because they were scared.
And he killed a defenseless Herschel.
Rick wouldn't have done that.
Nor would Daryl.
i dont want to kill Kenny really but im already decided to go with Jane since they were in the car, i simply want to abandon Kenny and the kid, it was a tough choice shooting Kenny
Who cares? She got them out Carver's lair and that's what important. Sure Clem knew it too but Jane said it first.
Hm but Jane manipulated into thinking he'd come with us which prevented him from shooting one of us then she shot him. It is smart since the walkers would get attracted to Troy while the group walks unseen.
Still, the whole group left Clem alone and she was the only one who helped them. Who leaves a Kid and a pregnant lady in a herd? -_- The only reason she made a cow catcher is because Rebecca didn't want to bump into some walkers. She didn't need Clems help :P If you don't help her she does it alone.
Yeah she wanted to talk to Clem but they were trying to find Luke and Sarah also, she just said that she doesn't believe they are alive.
Yeah and who picked the lock? Jane, with her own tools. Last time I checked nobody had the required tools to unlock/break the lock so yeah
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Hm honestly I don't know what would've happened here, so im gonna drop this point.
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You do realize even if you don't steal the meds Arvo still blames your group? Arvo wanted to escape with his sister from his crazy group thats why he hid the meds. Sure Jane didn't have to be aggressive but she didn't know that his group were a bunch of scavengers/hunters. He wouldn't have given the meds anyway ( My people are suffering as much as yours, you are not special ) He looked like he was lying too since he was hiding the meds so Jane thought he was a junkie. She still chooses to rob the defenseless teenager for the group.
Arvo blames you even if you choose to not take the medicine, so the gunfight was all his fault.
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Hm I think I know what happened. (Kenny: WHAT DID YOU DO?!. CLEM! WHAT DID YOU!?) He seems to be chasing after Mike and Bonnie and Arvo while Jane fixes up Clem. ( Jane: I checked, the bullet wasn't inside you ) This is similar to the lake situation however since both of them helped I'll give them that.
She takes care of him in the house, in the car and when they get out of the car. ( She carries the baby with two hands and can't hold a gun, very risky ) So this is 3 times.
I only said Jane does what's best for Clem by revealing Kenny's true colors. If Clem ever accidentally killed the baby then know she knows how Kenny would react ( Yeah Kenny would kill Clem ). Sure Clem may not understand, but killing Kenny is the right choice.
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You cropped my point here, I said she did more good than Kenny would ever do/ever did. Honestly, IMO Kenny is the one who makes all the problems and breaks the group apart. >_<
And in action... Jane set off Arvo, causing the Russians to attack. Jane was 1/2 of the reason Luke was not watching for Walkers, thus leading tot he death of Sarah.
Kenny...terrorized an ungrateful little brat who got one guy crippled and killed, didn't help another...and shot Clem.
Bonnie and Mike were good in words and in actions. Was willing to steal all the group's supplies and leave two kids for dead.
Luke...he was learning but Dead.
Jane...manipulative hypocrite who can't let go of her own dead person and tried to get Keny to attack her so she could justify killing him...or worse, make you do it.
Um leaving behind the baby isn't a choice ya Derp lol. (not being mean just mostly made me laugh at 8:30 am)
Why is it everyone who agrees with Jane also dislike, don't care about the baby. Shows the kind of thought process one has and with all the talk of Kenny being the emotional choice and Jane the moral choice is just untrue fan fiction crap. How does lying and causing the death of a man to prove a point morally right??? I'll answer for you, its NOT. Both options were picked out of emotions (Love/trust/fear of Kenny or trust/pity/fear of Jane.)
So please stop acting like there is a moral high ground choice. Either way Clem kills someone or lets another die (or both) and not one of those choices is 100% correct
How is Governor bad? He was doing exactly what Rick was doing. Taking care of his own...
There is no morally right choice, but Jane worldview is more rational/objective (just like mine), and i would side with her if she wanted to leave the baby behind. We are alike and thats why i pick her.
I loved Kenny, so I killed him