Jane was a sociopath.
( If you don't know what exactly what a sociopath is, and what the difference is between a sociopath and a psychopath is, then I'd advise researching those
subjects.)
I sided with Kenny.
I was his pal in Season 1, when I played as Lee.
(Though that does not mean I agreed with everything he said and did. The particulars being looting the station wagon, and killing Ben at Crawford.)
And I was his pal again in Season 2.
And that means I tried to help him in that fight with Jane.
And when they arrived at Wellington, I had Clementine and Kenny stay together.
The ending in which you kill Kenny doesn´t hold any weight. He can be either a depressed man that just got shot by what he considers his foster daughter because he was trying to kill somebody that he had reasons to think had killed AJ, or somebody saying it for Clementines sake so she doesn´t have to keep on living with guilt. Unlike Jane´s actions, which are pretty clear and don’t hold reason for debate. She lies about the baby´s death when Kenny had just lost Sarita less that two days ago fully knowing it could provoke him into a fight, which she could have stopped but didn´t, and was the first one to go for the kill by slashing Kenny´s stomach.
In your third paragraph you are basically saying that those that didn´t shoot Kenny are wrong because if every single detail of the situation was different it could have be unjustifiably. Your logic disturbs me.
Your four paragraph misses the point. Kenny doesn´t know if Jane killed AJ, but he had legitimate reasons to think so, so while it doesn´t make it right he is not wrong either, and because Jane says that we are going to see Kenny for who he really is the players know Jane is lying. You are just simplifying the reasons for the fight and the fight for your own benefit. We don’t justify murder in anyway, but Jane pushed Kenny into the fight, Jane could have stopped everything, and she demonstrated that she only worries about her own interest by the whole plan so to shot Kenny because of Jane´s mistakes is more wrong that letting Kenny kill her.
The last paragraph is nothing but an exaggeration. He only gets like that after taking a beating for Carver, losing its eye and losing Sarita. Name one time that he screams- except at Clem right after losing Sarita-or threatens anybody except in No Going Back. The only examples you give are straight for No Going Back, at are justifiable. First, Kenny doesn´t punch Clem, his elbows hit’s her in the face because she was just being him when he was punching Arvo. Second, he only hits him a few times so it’s hardly a beating or a mauling, and Arvo had just caused the death of Luke.
Man, I have written so often what's wrong with defending Kenny, it get's annoying.
I wonder how many who defend Kenny's Action at the end… more actually watched the ending where you kill him even once. He says she made the right choice, that he let her down, that she is better without him. I actually like Kenny just for realizing himself he made a mistake. Can you really argue with the man himself?
I'd really love if those that say Kenny was right to image the following: You are Jane, but unlike what happened, you really lost the Baby. While trying to get away from Walkers, you tripped over a stone. Remember there was a storm and the sight was extremely low. So you fall down and the Baby fell out of your hands. You are out of your senses for a second. You open your Eyes, try to grab the Baby, and before you do, a walker comes and grabs the Baby before you do. You do your best to stand up as fast as possible, but you realize it's too late, an… [view original content]
She had multiple chances to stop the figth, run to the car and show Kenny AJ was alive, but she didn´t. Also that last part is so childish and overblown that I want to believe is joke.
I 100% believe that nothing short of her death would've satisfied Kenny. In fact its pretty obvious with his body language and his actions … morefrom the very start of the fight. If she had made any attempt at saying the baby was alive I doubt Kenny would even believe her if he even bothered to hear. What I'm getting from the Kenny apologists is that Jane should have just taken the attack like a good little girl because any attempt at defending herself is clearly threatening poor defenseless Kenny.
Jane cared about Clem, thats why she did that. She knew they were going to go seperate ways, and she wanted to win Clem on her side. Seeing Kenny as maniac trying to murder her, should have been more than enough.
Right here is my take on the situation, for what it's worth.
I'm well aware that that Jane instigated the entire fight from the start, when all three were in the pickup. To wind Kenny up to that degree was bad enough, then to lie about the baby's welfare pushed Kenny over the edge. Ergo Jane knew what she was doing and paid the price.
She knew how unstable Kenny was and she couldn't use Clementine anymore so resorted to the only other thing Kenny cared about, the baby.
All to prove a point that Kenny was violent, unstable and unpredictable. Clementine knew all that anyway, she didn't need Jane to show her.
Jane was a survivor, not broken/irrational pile of shit like Kenny.
Only reason you are even defending Kenny, is because you've known him longer. If you only saw what he had become on season 2, you wouldnt side with him. We have like 30 minutes with Jane, and multiple hours with Kenny. Of course irrational people would pick old friend over more efficient survivor.
You only seem to care about Kenny, not the safety of Clementines.
Jane was a sociopath.
( If you don't know what exactly what a sociopath is, and what the difference is between a sociopath and a psychopath… more is, then I'd advise researching those
subjects.)
I sided with Kenny.
I was his pal in Season 1, when I played as Lee.
(Though that does not mean I agreed with everything he said and did. The particulars being looting the station wagon, and killing Ben at Crawford.)
And I was his pal again in Season 2.
And that means I tried to help him in that fight with Jane.
And when they arrived at Wellington, I had Clementine and Kenny stay together.
You only seem to care about Jane... so what's your point. You tell the guy above you that if he only saw what kenny became in season 2??? I think he did as evidenced by playing season 2.
Why can't you accept that while kenny might be kind of crazy Jane thought it would be smart to pick a fight with Kenny over whether she might have lost/murdered/left the baby that was actually just fine a few hundred feet from them. She got killed for her stupidity. Jane made an irrational choice to fight Kenny and that's a fact. Kenny beats her in the fight so her starting it hoping she would win was never an option. Jane was weak and unstable, stop saying she is the rational choice and instead say it was YOUR choice as that can not be debated:)
Jane was a survivor, not broken/irrational pile of shit like Kenny.
Only reason you are even defending Kenny, is because you've known him… more longer. If you only saw what he had become on season 2, you wouldnt side with him. We have like 30 minutes with Jane, and multiple hours with Kenny. Of course irrational people would pick old friend over more efficient survivor.
You only seem to care about Kenny, not the safety of Clementines.
She had multiple chances to stop the figth, run to the car and show Kenny AJ was alive, but she didn´t. Also that last part is so childish and overblown that I want to believe is joke.
I guess you just dont read my replies, because ive stated more than once, that she did irrational thing because she started to care about Clementine. She let her emotions cloud her judgement and made stupid plan to protect Clem from Kenny. Kenny just acted as she predicted and tried to murder her without knowing the facts.
And i care about safety of Clementines, and that is the reason i chose Jane. I wouldnt go search for wellington, because i dont risk my life for nothing but stories. If i do something, i want to know the facts. At that moment, going with Jane was more rational decision, than following Kenny to unknown.
You only seem to care about Jane... so what's your point. You tell the guy above you that if he only saw what kenny became in season 2??? I … morethink he did as evidenced by playing season 2.
Why can't you accept that while kenny might be kind of crazy Jane thought it would be smart to pick a fight with Kenny over whether she might have lost/murdered/left the baby that was actually just fine a few hundred feet from them. She got killed for her stupidity. Jane made an irrational choice to fight Kenny and that's a fact. Kenny beats her in the fight so her starting it hoping she would win was never an option. Jane was weak and unstable, stop saying she is the rational choice and instead say it was YOUR choice as that can not be debated:)
You only seem to care about Jane... so what's your point. You tell the guy above you that if he only saw what kenny became in season 2??? I … morethink he did as evidenced by playing season 2.
Why can't you accept that while kenny might be kind of crazy Jane thought it would be smart to pick a fight with Kenny over whether she might have lost/murdered/left the baby that was actually just fine a few hundred feet from them. She got killed for her stupidity. Jane made an irrational choice to fight Kenny and that's a fact. Kenny beats her in the fight so her starting it hoping she would win was never an option. Jane was weak and unstable, stop saying she is the rational choice and instead say it was YOUR choice as that can not be debated:)
You act like you're being reasonable but you're not. She couldn't even keep you safe from Kenny so it is UNKNOWN if she's more capable. even Howes is an unknown part of the equation (are carver's group still alive and ready to attack, has the herd moved on, can they even make it back there with no vehicle/food and just two girls with a baby?)
You agree with Jane but only because you like her. If you didn't like her you wouldn't be saying she's the best survivor when Kenny killing her disproves that
I guess you just dont read my replies, because ive stated more than once, that she did irrational thing because she started to care about Cl… moreementine. She let her emotions cloud her judgement and made stupid plan to protect Clem from Kenny. Kenny just acted as she predicted and tried to murder her without knowing the facts.
And i care about safety of Clementines, and that is the reason i chose Jane. I wouldnt go search for wellington, because i dont risk my life for nothing but stories. If i do something, i want to know the facts. At that moment, going with Jane was more rational decision, than following Kenny to unknown.
She already proved what she wanted to prove by that point, continuing the fight was unnecessary. Also running past Kenny towards the car and open the door is hardly backing down. Face it; she wanted to kill Kenny just as much Kenny wanted to kill her.
The point of the fight was to show that Kenny never stops his violence and bullying if someone actually stands up to him.
That to group w… moreith Kenny was the be at the mercy of the whims and notions of a clearly unstable and violent bully.
Backing down after she had given him an option to end the fight amicably was just not going to happen.
You act like you're being reasonable but you're not. She couldn't even keep you safe from Kenny so it is UNKNOWN if she's more capable. even… more Howes is an unknown part of the equation (are carver's group still alive and ready to attack, has the herd moved on, can they even make it back there with no vehicle/food and just two girls with a baby?)
You agree with Jane but only because you like her. If you didn't like her you wouldn't be saying she's the best survivor when Kenny killing her disproves that
#KnowYourFacts
Kenny can protect you and Jane can't. Not hard to understand and about where they go you literally have no choice. You follow the strongest survivor to wherever they think is best. The only rational choice is by going with Kenny who can keep Clem safe from people who would lie and manipulate to get what they want
And only reason i agree with Jane, is because she is more rational & objective... She doesnt care about the baby, as its a burden, neither do i. She is ready to leave people behind if they dont want to live, im ok with that also. She doesnt care about random people, neither do i.
Im not fan of Jane, I just prefer to be around people with rational/objective worldview.
You act like you're being reasonable but you're not. She couldn't even keep you safe from Kenny so it is UNKNOWN if she's more capable. even… more Howes is an unknown part of the equation (are carver's group still alive and ready to attack, has the herd moved on, can they even make it back there with no vehicle/food and just two girls with a baby?)
You agree with Jane but only because you like her. If you didn't like her you wouldn't be saying she's the best survivor when Kenny killing her disproves that
#KnowYourFacts
Jane is irrational unstable and stupid for fighting with a man over a baby that was fine. Kenny is the right choice no matter what because he can keep Clem safe while Jane just wants someone to care about. Kenny cares as well but is willing to let both Aj and Clem go for the greater good. Jane wants to set up shop in a former prison with just an 11-13 yr old and a baby. How is that rational/objective or reasonable?
Jane MAY have been a better survivor before but with Clem she has gotten sloppy reckless and emotional!
And only reason i agree with Jane, is because she is more rational & objective... She doesnt care about the baby, as its a burden, neith… moreer do i. She is ready to leave people behind if they dont want to live, im ok with that also. She doesnt care about random people, neither do i.
Im not fan of Jane, I just prefer to be around people with rational/objective worldview.
The ending in which you kill Kenny doesn´t hold any weight. He can be either a depressed man that just got shot by what he considers his fos… moreter daughter because he was trying to kill somebody that he had reasons to think had killed AJ, or somebody saying it for Clementines sake so she doesn´t have to keep on living with guilt. Unlike Jane´s actions, which are pretty clear and don’t hold reason for debate. She lies about the baby´s death when Kenny had just lost Sarita less that two days ago fully knowing it could provoke him into a fight, which she could have stopped but didn´t, and was the first one to go for the kill by slashing Kenny´s stomach.
In your third paragraph you are basically saying that those that didn´t shoot Kenny are wrong because if every single detail of the situation was different it could have be unjustifiably. Your logic disturbs me.
Your four paragraph misses the point. Kenny doesn´t know if Jane killed AJ, but he… [view original content]
If the car was really close enough for that to be viable, then Kenny would have or should have found the baby when he went out to look before going full rage mode.
She already proved what she wanted to prove by that point, continuing the fight was unnecessary. Also running past Kenny towards the car and… more open the door is hardly backing down. Face it; she wanted to kill Kenny just as much Kenny wanted to kill her.
I went into Wellington with AJ because Kenny wanted it so much - after all, this was what he wanted all along, for Clem and AJ to be safe, right? I didn't want to bring a child into the winter wilderness again after last time so I'm happy with how it ended, all I can do is hope Kenny can survive long enough to get into Wellington when space opens...fingers crossed for the third season!
Jane´s attitude is Kenny´s reason. All that about a baby being just a burden, that Clem shouldn´t let the group drag her down and that he thinks-and rightly-that Jane is hostile towards him. So he has no reason to believe Jane when she said it was accident.
Also why did you ignore everything else I wrote? Do I have to assume that you have not objections to anything else?
If the car was really close enough for that to be viable, then Kenny would have or should have found the baby when he went out to look before going full rage mode.
Jane is irrational unstable and stupid for fighting with a man over a baby that was fine. Kenny is the right choice no matter what because h… moree can keep Clem safe while Jane just wants someone to care about. Kenny cares as well but is willing to let both Aj and Clem go for the greater good. Jane wants to set up shop in a former prison with just an 11-13 yr old and a baby. How is that rational/objective or reasonable?
Jane MAY have been a better survivor before but with Clem she has gotten sloppy reckless and emotional!
Why argue that it's better which some don't agree with?
Instead you should say it's the ending that made the most sense FOR YOU!!! No one can take THAT from you but you can't just state your opinion as fact!
Well endings are pretty subjective, since its up the player to decide which ending is best for him.
So its just my opinion about Kenny endings. No point to continue this conversation since we all know each other's opinions.
Why argue that it's better which some don't agree with?
Instead you should say it's the ending that made the most sense FOR YOU!!! No one can take THAT from you but you can't just state your opinion as fact!
I wish Kenny killed Arvo right there! He knew he was trouble and in the end he shoots Clementine. She would be fine if he had killed Arvo so yeah Clem's safety was at the top of his mind.
Clem gets shot because he was so violent towards Arvo, so in fact he doesn't know how to keep her safe. Why do you think Arvo was willing to go with Mike, and why do you think Mike wanted to leave? Kenny breaks up the group with needless violence, and that gets you shot.
Kenny could have kept Clem from getting shot by NOT hurting Arvo. But instead of thinking how to keep everyone working together, he focuses on whatever makes him feel better.
And Kenny is not usually right. He thought he could take on Carver's group by himself at the lodge, and got Walter killed for nothing. Carver still captured everyone. On the truck he freed himself and was planning to attack when they opened the doors, which would have gotten him and maybe someone else killed when the bullets started flying. He was lucky to get knocked out when the truck stopped. He beats Arvo thinking he had tricked them, and then they find the supplies proving him wrong.
Kenny never thinks about consequences. He can only deal with immediate threats, and that's not enough.
And you still haven't explained why it was more important for Clem's safety to beat Arvo than to find wood for the fire to warm her up.
Um yeah. I wish Kenny killed Arvo right there! He knew he was trouble and in the end he shoots Clementine. She would be fine if he had kille… mored Arvo so yeah Clem's safety was at the top of his mind. Jane however keeps regretting that she came back and is ready to leave when things get dangerous for her!
Ok agreed Jane fucked up. Kenny is usually right and you should listen to him. There is no need to go against him.
Robbing the strangers was a group choice and they needed it. They saw no one around and took it. Jane wanted to rob, No kill Arvo, then rob him even when he begged about his sister she still wanted to take the meds!
I agree each person has their own true ending depending on their story and that doesn't make any of the wrong or right just an opinion on a forum about a fictional but great game. We all love Clem so I enjoy talking about her story.
Well endings are pretty subjective, since its up the player to decide which ending is best for him.
So its just my opinion about Kenny endings. No point to continue this conversation since we all know each other's opinions.
I still remain in my previous statement, that from survival point of view, Jane is better companion to have. I have slowly started to hate 2nd season because of how they forced Kenny into it.
I agree each person has their own true ending depending on their story and that doesn't make any of the wrong or right just an opinion on a forum about a fictional but great game. We all love Clem so I enjoy talking about her story.
#OurClementine
Kenny can protect you and Jane can't. Not hard to understand and about where they go you literally have no choice. You follow the strongest … moresurvivor to wherever they think is best. The only rational choice is by going with Kenny who can keep Clem safe from people who would lie and manipulate to get what they want
You are just negative and continually want to be that way as evidenced by your continual arguments about which is better. If you would stop maybe you could enjoy it more. Either way you're decisions thought and views are your own opinion! Others think otherwise and that's their opinion.
Accept that and move forward. Or keep saying you're the one speaking as the best survivor P.O.V. and see how far that gets you. Either way I loved Season 2 and Kenny and even lying ass Jane!
I still remain in my previous statement, that from survival point of view, Jane is better companion to have. I have slowly started to hate 2nd season because of how they forced Kenny into it.
Not saying its best or its the right one, im saying it makes most sense in terms of own survival. Kenny was just too unpredictable with his reckless behaviour and not safe to be around if you want to survive in zombie apocalypse.
Im trying to be as objective as possble, but you are just trying to force it to be an opinion... Its like debating with religious nuts and them claiming that it was all god when you give them facts about the universe. Opinions are meaningless when talking about facts.
You are just negative and continually want to be that way as evidenced by your continual arguments about which is better. If you would stop … moremaybe you could enjoy it more. Either way you're decisions thought and views are your own opinion! Others think otherwise and that's their opinion.
Accept that and move forward. Or keep saying you're the one speaking as the best survivor P.O.V. and see how far that gets you. Either way I loved Season 2 and Kenny and even lying ass Jane!
People forget that the Kenny and Jane fight was more about Clementine watching the two last people she could rely on in the world trying to kill each other for ridiculous reasons (both sides are to blame). How hard for her that would be to witness. Cause no matter who wins, Clementine loses... again.
except you are saying you're correct. I didn't even say you were wrong I said I have a different opinion. If you're trying to convince me it won't happen just as I already know I wont convince you...thats just fine with me.
I just see you hating on Kenny and don't agree. But as I said that's fine. I will stop if you will and I don't just mean in this thread. Stop hating on others for having different views than yours. I can be okay with your choices and respect that they are YOUR choices. At the same time I'm a different person than and so I think differently.
Also facts about the universe??? are you just confused or are you trying to confuse me so that I give up.
Anyways about the game: A fact is something concrete. It's not something that someone feels is correct. Like I said Accept that different opinions are JUST AS VALID as your own or the arguments will never stop.
Not saying its best or its the right one, im saying it makes most sense in terms of own survival. Kenny was just too unpredictable with his … morereckless behaviour and not safe to be around if you want to survive in zombie apocalypse.
Im trying to be as objective as possble, but you are just trying to force it to be an opinion... Its like debating with religious nuts and them claiming that it was all god when you give them facts about the universe. Opinions are meaningless when talking about facts.
Jane was the main reason Arvo shot her because when you see him for the second time he tells his group that it was you who robbed him ( whether you actually did or not) then you say that it was Jane and said she left. Then she comes back and kills one of his friends which make it seem like you were lying and that's why he's mad at you not because of Kenny.
At the lodge When I told Kenny to stop, he listened to me because when he is not right and you can give him a good reason then he stops and listens to you!
Because he is the one that caused Luke's death and Clem falling in. If Arvo can get away with something like that then he would do it again. If Kenny hadn't beaten him up he probably would have shot and killed Clementine. He was afraid of what Kenny would do to him if he had killed her and just wounded her instead!
I wish Kenny killed Arvo right there! He knew he was trouble and in the end he shoots Clementine. She would be fine if he had killed Arvo so… more yeah Clem's safety was at the top of his mind.
Clem gets shot because he was so violent towards Arvo, so in fact he doesn't know how to keep her safe. Why do you think Arvo was willing to go with Mike, and why do you think Mike wanted to leave? Kenny breaks up the group with needless violence, and that gets you shot.
Kenny could have kept Clem from getting shot by NOT hurting Arvo. But instead of thinking how to keep everyone working together, he focuses on whatever makes him feel better.
And Kenny is not usually right. He thought he could take on Carver's group by himself at the lodge, and got Walter killed for nothing. Carver still captured everyone. On the truck he freed himself and was planning to attack when they opened the doors, which would have gotten him and maybe someone else kill… [view original content]
It's a simple question: How does killing Jane make Clem safer? All you've said is that Jane would leave Clem. Killing Jane is nonsensical if that is all the "danger" she poses. You're just causing her to leave sooner.
Not to mention that it's demonstrably false, Jane only left when it seemed everyone was safe, returned when it seemed they were in danger, and stayed with Clem when she was in danger (for example, in the horde after leaving Carver's camp).
What good does beating Arvo accomplish? If he hadn't beaten Arvo, Mike wouldn't have freed him and he wouldn't have had a chance to shoot you. It doesn't matter that Kenny wants to protect you, his actions do the opposite, they get you shot.
Kenny was protecting Clem he doesn't trust her with Clem after "killing" the baby! He knows she just cares about herself and would have no p… moreroblem leaving Clem if she was in danger!
Jane is the one who brought the Russians to the group so yeah it's her fault that they could have all been killed!
Kenny is only thinking of Clem he has nothing else to live for! He should have killed Arvo not just beat him up. In my game I didn't try to stop him why the hell would you?
He was afraid of what Kenny would do to him if he had killed her and just wounded her instead!
You think he didn't kill you on purpose? Is that how far you have to lie to yourself to defend Kenny?
It doesn't matter why Arvo hates you. Even if it was Jane's fault (which I disagree, but it's beside the point) he wouldn't have had access to a gun if Mike hadn't freed him. And Mike frees him because Kenny was so violent that he was scared to continue with him. While it's ultimately Arvo that pulled the trigger, so he's the one responsible, Kenny is the one that put you in harm's way by hurting Arvo. If he'd focused on keeping the group together, you would have been safe.
Also, and this is the fourth time I ask: you still haven't explained why it was more important for Clem's safety to beat Arvo than to find wood for the fire to warm her up.
Jane was the main reason Arvo shot her because when you see him for the second time he tells his group that it was you who robbed him ( whet… moreher you actually did or not) then you say that it was Jane and said she left. Then she comes back and kills one of his friends which make it seem like you were lying and that's why he's mad at you not because of Kenny.
At the lodge When I told Kenny to stop, he listened to me because when he is not right and you can give him a good reason then he stops and listens to you!
Because he is the one that caused Luke's death and Clem falling in. If Arvo can get away with something like that then he would do it again. If Kenny hadn't beaten him up he probably would have shot and killed Clementine. He was afraid of what Kenny would do to him if he had killed her and just wounded her instead!
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Jane was a sociopath.
( If you don't know what exactly what a sociopath is, and what the difference is between a sociopath and a psychopath is, then I'd advise researching those
subjects.)
I sided with Kenny.
I was his pal in Season 1, when I played as Lee.
(Though that does not mean I agreed with everything he said and did. The particulars being looting the station wagon, and killing Ben at Crawford.)
And I was his pal again in Season 2.
And that means I tried to help him in that fight with Jane.
And when they arrived at Wellington, I had Clementine and Kenny stay together.
The ending in which you kill Kenny doesn´t hold any weight. He can be either a depressed man that just got shot by what he considers his foster daughter because he was trying to kill somebody that he had reasons to think had killed AJ, or somebody saying it for Clementines sake so she doesn´t have to keep on living with guilt. Unlike Jane´s actions, which are pretty clear and don’t hold reason for debate. She lies about the baby´s death when Kenny had just lost Sarita less that two days ago fully knowing it could provoke him into a fight, which she could have stopped but didn´t, and was the first one to go for the kill by slashing Kenny´s stomach.
In your third paragraph you are basically saying that those that didn´t shoot Kenny are wrong because if every single detail of the situation was different it could have be unjustifiably. Your logic disturbs me.
Your four paragraph misses the point. Kenny doesn´t know if Jane killed AJ, but he had legitimate reasons to think so, so while it doesn´t make it right he is not wrong either, and because Jane says that we are going to see Kenny for who he really is the players know Jane is lying. You are just simplifying the reasons for the fight and the fight for your own benefit. We don’t justify murder in anyway, but Jane pushed Kenny into the fight, Jane could have stopped everything, and she demonstrated that she only worries about her own interest by the whole plan so to shot Kenny because of Jane´s mistakes is more wrong that letting Kenny kill her.
The last paragraph is nothing but an exaggeration. He only gets like that after taking a beating for Carver, losing its eye and losing Sarita. Name one time that he screams- except at Clem right after losing Sarita-or threatens anybody except in No Going Back. The only examples you give are straight for No Going Back, at are justifiable. First, Kenny doesn´t punch Clem, his elbows hit’s her in the face because she was just being him when he was punching Arvo. Second, he only hits him a few times so it’s hardly a beating or a mauling, and Arvo had just caused the death of Luke.
She had multiple chances to stop the figth, run to the car and show Kenny AJ was alive, but she didn´t. Also that last part is so childish and overblown that I want to believe is joke.
kenny cared too
Right here is my take on the situation, for what it's worth.
I'm well aware that that Jane instigated the entire fight from the start, when all three were in the pickup. To wind Kenny up to that degree was bad enough, then to lie about the baby's welfare pushed Kenny over the edge. Ergo Jane knew what she was doing and paid the price.
She knew how unstable Kenny was and she couldn't use Clementine anymore so resorted to the only other thing Kenny cared about, the baby.
All to prove a point that Kenny was violent, unstable and unpredictable. Clementine knew all that anyway, she didn't need Jane to show her.
Jane was a survivor, not broken/irrational pile of shit like Kenny.
Only reason you are even defending Kenny, is because you've known him longer. If you only saw what he had become on season 2, you wouldnt side with him. We have like 30 minutes with Jane, and multiple hours with Kenny. Of course irrational people would pick old friend over more efficient survivor.
You only seem to care about Kenny, not the safety of Clementines.
You only seem to care about Jane... so what's your point. You tell the guy above you that if he only saw what kenny became in season 2??? I think he did as evidenced by playing season 2.
Why can't you accept that while kenny might be kind of crazy Jane thought it would be smart to pick a fight with Kenny over whether she might have lost/murdered/left the baby that was actually just fine a few hundred feet from them. She got killed for her stupidity. Jane made an irrational choice to fight Kenny and that's a fact. Kenny beats her in the fight so her starting it hoping she would win was never an option. Jane was weak and unstable, stop saying she is the rational choice and instead say it was YOUR choice as that can not be debated:)
The point of the fight was to show that Kenny never stops his violence and bullying if someone actually stands up to him.
That to group with Kenny was the be at the mercy of the whims and notions of a clearly unstable and violent bully.
Backing down after she had given him an option to end the fight amicably was just not going to happen.
I guess you just dont read my replies, because ive stated more than once, that she did irrational thing because she started to care about Clementine. She let her emotions cloud her judgement and made stupid plan to protect Clem from Kenny. Kenny just acted as she predicted and tried to murder her without knowing the facts.
And i care about safety of Clementines, and that is the reason i chose Jane. I wouldnt go search for wellington, because i dont risk my life for nothing but stories. If i do something, i want to know the facts. At that moment, going with Jane was more rational decision, than following Kenny to unknown.
Thanks for the support.
It's greatly appreciated!
You act like you're being reasonable but you're not. She couldn't even keep you safe from Kenny so it is UNKNOWN if she's more capable. even Howes is an unknown part of the equation (are carver's group still alive and ready to attack, has the herd moved on, can they even make it back there with no vehicle/food and just two girls with a baby?)
You agree with Jane but only because you like her. If you didn't like her you wouldn't be saying she's the best survivor when Kenny killing her disproves that
#KnowYourFacts
She already proved what she wanted to prove by that point, continuing the fight was unnecessary. Also running past Kenny towards the car and open the door is hardly backing down. Face it; she wanted to kill Kenny just as much Kenny wanted to kill her.
Do explain how its rational to follow Kenny to unknown? Doesnt matter what happens with Jane, i wouldnt try to find wellington.
The unknown ? It was Clem in the first place that told about wellington, she heard it from Christa and they confirmed it to her that its real...
Kenny believed there was still hope.
And that's a quality that I admire and respect.
Even if it is displayed by a videogame character.
And that's one of the reasons I like him.
And that hopeful quality, is one I tried to instill in Clementine, as Lee.
Kenny can protect you and Jane can't. Not hard to understand and about where they go you literally have no choice. You follow the strongest survivor to wherever they think is best. The only rational choice is by going with Kenny who can keep Clem safe from people who would lie and manipulate to get what they want
And only reason i agree with Jane, is because she is more rational & objective... She doesnt care about the baby, as its a burden, neither do i. She is ready to leave people behind if they dont want to live, im ok with that also. She doesnt care about random people, neither do i.
Im not fan of Jane, I just prefer to be around people with rational/objective worldview.
Jane is irrational unstable and stupid for fighting with a man over a baby that was fine. Kenny is the right choice no matter what because he can keep Clem safe while Jane just wants someone to care about. Kenny cares as well but is willing to let both Aj and Clem go for the greater good. Jane wants to set up shop in a former prison with just an 11-13 yr old and a baby. How is that rational/objective or reasonable?
Jane MAY have been a better survivor before but with Clem she has gotten sloppy reckless and emotional!
Kenny has no reason to think Jane killed AJ. She even says it was an accident.
You know what. Screw both of them. Kenny likes to throw his weight around and has done all though s1 and 2 and what Jane did was dumb.
If the car was really close enough for that to be viable, then Kenny would have or should have found the baby when he went out to look before going full rage mode.
I 100% agree with everything you said!
I went into Wellington with AJ because Kenny wanted it so much - after all, this was what he wanted all along, for Clem and AJ to be safe, right? I didn't want to bring a child into the winter wilderness again after last time so I'm happy with how it ended, all I can do is hope Kenny can survive long enough to get into Wellington when space opens...fingers crossed for the third season!
Jane´s attitude is Kenny´s reason. All that about a baby being just a burden, that Clem shouldn´t let the group drag her down and that he thinks-and rightly-that Jane is hostile towards him. So he has no reason to believe Jane when she said it was accident.
Also why did you ignore everything else I wrote? Do I have to assume that you have not objections to anything else?
The car was close enough to be viable, but not close enough for Kenny to find the baby.
Rest Stop
Just skip to 8:36 if you don´t believe me.
Jane got the shittiest endings for a reason.
They are better than the sugar coated shit which you get with Kenny.
You keep telling yourself that.
Why argue that it's better which some don't agree with?
Instead you should say it's the ending that made the most sense FOR YOU!!! No one can take THAT from you but you can't just state your opinion as fact!
Well endings are pretty subjective, since its up the player to decide which ending is best for him.
So its just my opinion about Kenny endings. No point to continue this conversation since we all know each other's opinions.
Clem gets shot because he was so violent towards Arvo, so in fact he doesn't know how to keep her safe. Why do you think Arvo was willing to go with Mike, and why do you think Mike wanted to leave? Kenny breaks up the group with needless violence, and that gets you shot.
Kenny could have kept Clem from getting shot by NOT hurting Arvo. But instead of thinking how to keep everyone working together, he focuses on whatever makes him feel better.
And Kenny is not usually right. He thought he could take on Carver's group by himself at the lodge, and got Walter killed for nothing. Carver still captured everyone. On the truck he freed himself and was planning to attack when they opened the doors, which would have gotten him and maybe someone else killed when the bullets started flying. He was lucky to get knocked out when the truck stopped. He beats Arvo thinking he had tricked them, and then they find the supplies proving him wrong.
Kenny never thinks about consequences. He can only deal with immediate threats, and that's not enough.
And you still haven't explained why it was more important for Clem's safety to beat Arvo than to find wood for the fire to warm her up.
I agree each person has their own true ending depending on their story and that doesn't make any of the wrong or right just an opinion on a forum about a fictional but great game. We all love Clem so I enjoy talking about her story.
#OurClementine
I still remain in my previous statement, that from survival point of view, Jane is better companion to have. I have slowly started to hate 2nd season because of how they forced Kenny into it.
Amen to that!
You are just negative and continually want to be that way as evidenced by your continual arguments about which is better. If you would stop maybe you could enjoy it more. Either way you're decisions thought and views are your own opinion! Others think otherwise and that's their opinion.
Accept that and move forward. Or keep saying you're the one speaking as the best survivor P.O.V. and see how far that gets you. Either way I loved Season 2 and Kenny and even lying ass Jane!
Not saying its best or its the right one, im saying it makes most sense in terms of own survival. Kenny was just too unpredictable with his reckless behaviour and not safe to be around if you want to survive in zombie apocalypse.
Im trying to be as objective as possble, but you are just trying to force it to be an opinion... Its like debating with religious nuts and them claiming that it was all god when you give them facts about the universe. Opinions are meaningless when talking about facts.
People forget that the Kenny and Jane fight was more about Clementine watching the two last people she could rely on in the world trying to kill each other for ridiculous reasons (both sides are to blame). How hard for her that would be to witness. Cause no matter who wins, Clementine loses... again.
except you are saying you're correct. I didn't even say you were wrong I said I have a different opinion. If you're trying to convince me it won't happen just as I already know I wont convince you...thats just fine with me.
I just see you hating on Kenny and don't agree. But as I said that's fine. I will stop if you will and I don't just mean in this thread. Stop hating on others for having different views than yours. I can be okay with your choices and respect that they are YOUR choices. At the same time I'm a different person than and so I think differently.
Also facts about the universe??? are you just confused or are you trying to confuse me so that I give up.
Anyways about the game: A fact is something concrete. It's not something that someone feels is correct. Like I said Accept that different opinions are JUST AS VALID as your own or the arguments will never stop.
Jane was the main reason Arvo shot her because when you see him for the second time he tells his group that it was you who robbed him ( whether you actually did or not) then you say that it was Jane and said she left. Then she comes back and kills one of his friends which make it seem like you were lying and that's why he's mad at you not because of Kenny.
At the lodge When I told Kenny to stop, he listened to me because when he is not right and you can give him a good reason then he stops and listens to you!
Because he is the one that caused Luke's death and Clem falling in. If Arvo can get away with something like that then he would do it again. If Kenny hadn't beaten him up he probably would have shot and killed Clementine. He was afraid of what Kenny would do to him if he had killed her and just wounded her instead!
It's a simple question: How does killing Jane make Clem safer? All you've said is that Jane would leave Clem. Killing Jane is nonsensical if that is all the "danger" she poses. You're just causing her to leave sooner.
Not to mention that it's demonstrably false, Jane only left when it seemed everyone was safe, returned when it seemed they were in danger, and stayed with Clem when she was in danger (for example, in the horde after leaving Carver's camp).
What good does beating Arvo accomplish? If he hadn't beaten Arvo, Mike wouldn't have freed him and he wouldn't have had a chance to shoot you. It doesn't matter that Kenny wants to protect you, his actions do the opposite, they get you shot.
Wow.
You think he didn't kill you on purpose? Is that how far you have to lie to yourself to defend Kenny?
It doesn't matter why Arvo hates you. Even if it was Jane's fault (which I disagree, but it's beside the point) he wouldn't have had access to a gun if Mike hadn't freed him. And Mike frees him because Kenny was so violent that he was scared to continue with him. While it's ultimately Arvo that pulled the trigger, so he's the one responsible, Kenny is the one that put you in harm's way by hurting Arvo. If he'd focused on keeping the group together, you would have been safe.
Also, and this is the fourth time I ask: you still haven't explained why it was more important for Clem's safety to beat Arvo than to find wood for the fire to warm her up.