An attitude doesn't mean she did it- a cold attitude doesn't prove that she did it, and in my play through I had Jane try and save Sarah, which she did and I knew full well about her sister. And all that about a baby being a burden, wasn't that between Clem and Jane. Kenny wouldn't know about that, he was just going off her killing AJ as being because he didn't like her attitude- that's not a good reason to kill someone.
And the third paragraph, that's what Kenny should have thought if he still had critical thinking. He just jumped to the conclusion she killed AJ before the fight started (I'm not saying that she didn't provoke him, but they'd been doing that to each other for most of the latter half of the episode).
Kenny had no legitimate reason to think Jane killed AJ, and the best evidence he had was they were caught out in a storm surrounded by zombies (he probably didn't know about the car crash though, did Clem tell him?).
Also your forgetting how different Kenny can be as well in the games. If you disagree with him he can be a complete dick (all the way from Season 1), and I'm sure some people have play throughs like that- like Comintern1919 says. In my game I kept having to defend him to everyone else, and that can be hard when your thinking 'why the fuck can't he just calm down?'. He was always provoking the group since the truck, and especially Luke. It can be hard to have someone constantly bad mouth and argue with people you like. It's not directly against Clem, but it's not good for the group either.
I want to add, I liked Kenny, but man he could be hard to be around sometimes.
Jane´s attitude is Kenny´s reason. All that about a baby being just a burden, that Clem shouldn´t let the group drag her down and that he th… moreinks-and rightly-that Jane is hostile towards him. So he has no reason to believe Jane when she said it was accident.
Also why did you ignore everything else I wrote? Do I have to assume that you have not objections to anything else?
People forget that the Kenny and Jane fight was more about Clementine watching the two last people she could rely on in the world trying to … morekill each other for ridiculous reasons (both sides are to blame). How hard for her that would be to witness. Cause no matter who wins, Clementine loses... again.
I only said that it was Kenny´s reason, not that it proved Jane killed AJ. I honestly forgot that Kenny didn´t knew about that conversation, but Jane´s hostility towards Kenny still applies. He didn´t 'go off about her killing AJ because of her attitude', he went off because her attitude made the idea plausible for him.
What I said about the third paragraph was because Comintern1919 basically stated that those that know the full situation and think that shooting Kenny is wrong should change their minds because it could have be wrong of him if the situation was completely different.
I said that her attitude at hostility gave him reasons, legitimate or not. But honestly, I couldn´t have be expected of anybody in that situation to stand down at wait for all the facts. (And no, Clem didn´t tell him about the car crash)
I am no forgetting how different Kenny can be, I am just saying that people act like his attitude in No Going Back was how it was the whole season.
Also you ignored a lot of my points. That doesn´t really surprise by what I have seen of this forum, but man, can you really expect a reasonable argument if you just answer whatever you want?
An attitude doesn't mean she did it- a cold attitude doesn't prove that she did it, and in my play through I had Jane try and save Sarah, wh… moreich she did and I knew full well about her sister. And all that about a baby being a burden, wasn't that between Clem and Jane. Kenny wouldn't know about that, he was just going off her killing AJ as being because he didn't like her attitude- that's not a good reason to kill someone.
And the third paragraph, that's what Kenny should have thought if he still had critical thinking. He just jumped to the conclusion she killed AJ before the fight started (I'm not saying that she didn't provoke him, but they'd been doing that to each other for most of the latter half of the episode).
Kenny had no legitimate reason to think Jane killed AJ, and the best evidence he had was they were caught out in a storm surrounded by zombies (he probably didn't know about the car crash though, did Clem tell him?).
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OMG I Hate Jane coz she's a pyscho DDDDDDDuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
let der be haters in this thread and forever shi… moret
So i let kenny kill jane so i can dance yeahhhh biatch
OMFG Staph... most of the threads are getting fucking annoying
How would you feel if you were Kenny. To have your wife kill her self and your son turn into a walker! Then yo risk your life trying to save someone and end up being separated! Then months later a group comes to a chalet you are staying in and you find Clementine again and you are so happy and proud to see her. Then you are surprised to find that this group is being tracked by some crazy guy who invades your chalet and kills your friend Walter! Then when they take you back to their camp which you have no business being there, you almost get beat to death for covering for Clementine! Then when you all try and escape the camp he loses Sarita who he has fallen in love with! Again he had no business being in any of this. Then you get a little ticked off WHO THE HELL WOULDNT!!!!!! Then the group talks behind your back without confronting you and you know what's going on. Then the people you thought you could trust try to leave with all your supplies after shooting Clementine. When you get in the truck and drive away you and your family are being made fun of by Jane. Really did she have to bring up his family?! Then you are at the rest station and when Jane arrives she implies that the baby is dead. Yet another thing you care about gone. again this has happened and it really get to you that you attack without thinking but Jane knew what was coming because she planned the whole thing. Then as you take out your anger and kill Jane you realise that AJ is alive and that bitch had hid him just to watch how angry he got. Then you realise that this baby and Clem are all you have left and it is their safety that must come first not your own.
Sure Kenny has a bad temper but look at what he's gone through. To me Kenny is a hero
It's a simple question: How does killing Jane make Clem safer? All you've said is that Jane would leave Clem. Killing Jane is nonsensical if… more that is all the "danger" she poses. You're just causing her to leave sooner.
Not to mention that it's demonstrably false, Jane only left when it seemed everyone was safe, returned when it seemed they were in danger, and stayed with Clem when she was in danger (for example, in the horde after leaving Carver's camp).
What good does beating Arvo accomplish? If he hadn't beaten Arvo, Mike wouldn't have freed him and he wouldn't have had a chance to shoot you. It doesn't matter that Kenny wants to protect you, his actions do the opposite, they get you shot.
I wouldn't say I 'picked' Kenny exactly but I definitely couldn't shoot him and was confident i'd made the right choice even though I did like Jane up until then.
That's a great point you made, she does all that acting and lying with the baby just to prove a point, which is what? that Kenny is unstable and prone to anger? We already know that Jane you muppet! She is at fault for beginning what Kenny finished, I just wish like Kenny said 'that it didn't have to go so far'.
So carrying a baby through a snowstorm that blinds you is better? And what if a walker grabs you? And what if you fall and smother the baby? And what if the baby dies from the coldness? The list could go on and on. I don't know what you're talking about but putting the baby in the car is actually safer than carrying him outside. Also the car was close to them.
Are you stupid?
What part of locking a newborn baby in a car that only you know the location to in the middle of nowhere in a snowstorm d… moreuring a Zombie apocalypse, then proceeding to instigate a fight for no good reason which will probably end up with you being killed if you lose is not putting the baby in danger? Nothing about that is sensible and I like Jane, but Jesus...man.
Actually the real reason why Arvo shot Clem is because she killed his sister. Arvo didn't know his sister was a walker and he thought Clem just killed her.
Jane was the main reason Arvo shot her because when you see him for the second time he tells his group that it was you who robbed him ( whet… moreher you actually did or not) then you say that it was Jane and said she left. Then she comes back and kills one of his friends which make it seem like you were lying and that's why he's mad at you not because of Kenny.
At the lodge When I told Kenny to stop, he listened to me because when he is not right and you can give him a good reason then he stops and listens to you!
Because he is the one that caused Luke's death and Clem falling in. If Arvo can get away with something like that then he would do it again. If Kenny hadn't beaten him up he probably would have shot and killed Clementine. He was afraid of what Kenny would do to him if he had killed her and just wounded her instead!
Jane manipulative, plain and simple.
She proved that when she pretended AJ was dead, and then playing on the fragile emotions of a man who had already lost nearly everything.
That kind of behavior is both wrong, and completely repulsive.
Not saying its best or its the right one, im saying it makes most sense in terms of own survival. Kenny was just too unpredictable with his … morereckless behaviour and not safe to be around if you want to survive in zombie apocalypse.
Im trying to be as objective as possble, but you are just trying to force it to be an opinion... Its like debating with religious nuts and them claiming that it was all god when you give them facts about the universe. Opinions are meaningless when talking about facts.
except you are saying you're correct. I didn't even say you were wrong I said I have a different opinion. If you're trying to convince me it… more won't happen just as I already know I wont convince you...thats just fine with me.
I just see you hating on Kenny and don't agree. But as I said that's fine. I will stop if you will and I don't just mean in this thread. Stop hating on others for having different views than yours. I can be okay with your choices and respect that they are YOUR choices. At the same time I'm a different person than and so I think differently.
Also facts about the universe??? are you just confused or are you trying to confuse me so that I give up.
Anyways about the game: A fact is something concrete. It's not something that someone feels is correct. Like I said Accept that different opinions are JUST AS VALID as your own or the arguments will never stop.
crazy guy who invades your chalet and kills your friend Walter!
Kenny caused the death of Walter by shooting one of Carvers men. Retaliation.
Then when they take you back to their camp which you have no business being there, you almost get beat to death for covering for Clementine!
Kenny gave the radio to Clementine in the first place. Only fair to take the blame for it
Then the group talks behind your back without confronting you and you know what's going on.
Because of everything Kenny had gone through, people started to realize that he isnt safe to be around. Jane knew it, Mike, Bonnie and even Luke knew it. Was Kennys state of mind justified? Yes. Did that mean you should get yourself killed being around unstable violent man? No.
When you get in the truck and drive away you and your family are being made fun of by Jane.
Jane was only annoying Kenny since he was being prick, and Kenny went to personalities and this provoked Jane.
Then you are at the rest station and when Jane arrives she implies that the baby is dead
So you try to beat young girl to death and try to murder her with a knife? Very justified action and exactly the point why Clem should have left Kenny behind. Kenny didnt even listen to Clementine when she tried calm him down multiple times.
Sure Kenny has a bad temper but look at what he's gone through. To me Kenny is a hero
The reason why this season was very unfair towards new characters and especially Jane. You dont get to know them that well, and wont have similar emotional attacment to them as Kenny.
How would you feel if you were Kenny. To have your wife kill her self and your son turn into a walker! Then yo risk your life trying to save… more someone and end up being separated! Then months later a group comes to a chalet you are staying in and you find Clementine again and you are so happy and proud to see her. Then you are surprised to find that this group is being tracked by some crazy guy who invades your chalet and kills your friend Walter! Then when they take you back to their camp which you have no business being there, you almost get beat to death for covering for Clementine! Then when you all try and escape the camp he loses Sarita who he has fallen in love with! Again he had no business being in any of this. Then you get a little ticked off WHO THE HELL WOULDNT!!!!!! Then the group talks behind your back without confronting you and you know what's going on. Then the people you thought you could trust try to leave with all your suppli… [view original content]
Well thats the difference between Kenny and Jane. Jane is survivor. Kenny is family first. Only person Kenny cared about were Clementine and AJ. Only person Jane cared about was Clementine.
Even Lee can lose his temper with with Kennys behaviour, and fan favourite Luke said that Kenny is broken and reckless.
Lee and Kenny essentially had the same morals. The same ideas, Lee would often want to hold up and think it through. But he'd go with what K… moreenny said. Because even though it was a deplorable option. The state the world was in, it was often the only "right" thing they could do.
Like leaving the girl to get eaten when they were getting supplies from the pharmacy. Wanting to save her is a good, normal human reaction. But it would more than likely get you killed too. It wasnt like she was 3 feet away and they could grab her. She was 50ft away surrounded by walkers. It would take a miracle to get her out unbitten.
Remember what Jane said about rescuing the guy under the truck? They lost 4 guys and he was bitten anyway.
Whilst it was morally right to try and save him. It was the wrong decision.
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You're still dodging the question. How is Kenny protecting Clem?
I know Kenny is upset, but as Clementine tells him, EVERYONE lost people. Every single person in the group has lost their families and people they care about. Jane just lost Luke, but she doesn't take it out on others. When Rebecca loses Alvin, she doesn't take it out on others. Walter loses his friend (William? Can't remember the name) but he can find it in his heart to forgive Nick. With your argument, Arvo is justified in shooting Clem because he just lost his sister and had been abused for two days straight.
Kenny isn't special, he doesn't get a pass just because we know more about his suffering. Everyone has lost just as much as him.
How would you feel if you were Kenny. To have your wife kill her self and your son turn into a walker! Then yo risk your life trying to save… more someone and end up being separated! Then months later a group comes to a chalet you are staying in and you find Clementine again and you are so happy and proud to see her. Then you are surprised to find that this group is being tracked by some crazy guy who invades your chalet and kills your friend Walter! Then when they take you back to their camp which you have no business being there, you almost get beat to death for covering for Clementine! Then when you all try and escape the camp he loses Sarita who he has fallen in love with! Again he had no business being in any of this. Then you get a little ticked off WHO THE HELL WOULDNT!!!!!! Then the group talks behind your back without confronting you and you know what's going on. Then the people you thought you could trust try to leave with all your suppli… [view original content]
Actually the real reason why Arvo shot Clem is because she killed his sister. Arvo didn't know his sister was a walker and he thought Clem just killed her.
You're still dodging the question. How is Kenny protecting Clem?
I know Kenny is upset, but as Clementine tells him, EVERYONE lost people… more. Every single person in the group has lost their families and people they care about. Jane just lost Luke, but she doesn't take it out on others. When Rebecca loses Alvin, she doesn't take it out on others. Walter loses his friend (William? Can't remember the name) but he can find it in his heart to forgive Nick. With your argument, Arvo is justified in shooting Clem because he just lost his sister and had been abused for two days straight.
Kenny isn't special, he doesn't get a pass just because we know more about his suffering. Everyone has lost just as much as him.
Kenny is protecting Clem because he knows that if they stay with Jane she will leave them to save herself which she proved by pretending she killed the baby!
Walter loses his friend (William? Can't remember the name) but he can find it in his heart to forgive Nick. With your argument,
Holy shit. I had more or less forgotten about this.
It's like the anti-Kenny reaction to things o.0
Kenny is protecting Clem because he knows that if they stay with Jane she will leave them to save herself which she proved by pretending she killed the baby!
Yeah he went off at her because it made sense to him- but that is not a legitimate reason to kill someone. And Comintern1919 was describing the sort of thing Kenny should have come to the conclusion to, not 'baby killer!'
(I could be wrong about Kenny not knowing that Jane had said the baby was a burden, I'm not 100% on that but I'm sure if Kenny had heard that he would have flipped out)
Kenny's attitude throughout the season was just getting worse and worse. Naturally in the last episode you'd expect him to be at his worst (not that it wasn't without reason, Sarita's death, the mangling Carver gave him). He was constantly caustic throughout the season and there were even a couple weird tense moments in episode 2 (to the point were Sarita asks you what was he like- showing that she thinks there's something 'wrong' with him).
I also fail to see what points of yours I missed, but I'm happy to go back and discuss them. Also like I said I liked Kenny, but in the end, neither of them were right. Kenny was just really dangerous to be around, he was what really drove the rest of us apart by being difficult, and personally I couldn't just stand by and watch him kill Jane. Even though I think the ending at Wellington is the better of the endings.
I only said that it was Kenny´s reason, not that it proved Jane killed AJ. I honestly forgot that Kenny didn´t knew about that conversation,… more but Jane´s hostility towards Kenny still applies. He didn´t 'go off about her killing AJ because of her attitude', he went off because her attitude made the idea plausible for him.
What I said about the third paragraph was because Comintern1919 basically stated that those that know the full situation and think that shooting Kenny is wrong should change their minds because it could have be wrong of him if the situation was completely different.
I said that her attitude at hostility gave him reasons, legitimate or not. But honestly, I couldn´t have be expected of anybody in that situation to stand down at wait for all the facts. (And no, Clem didn´t tell him about the car crash)
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Walter loses his friend (William? Can't remember the name) but he can find it in his heart to forgive Nick. With your argument,
Holy shit. I had more or less forgotten about this.
It's like the anti-Kenny reaction to things o.0
No she didn't. Kenny actually tried running away after he got slashed by the knife but she kept coming after him. If you try to stop Jane from going after Kenny she shoves Clem to the ground and goes back to stabbing Kenny.
Well nick didn't start with (fake tears) "He's...he's..." He flat out said he was sorry.
And when Jane apologizes for losing AJ she....oh wait no apology, no explanation other than it was an accident...which is a lie.
The situation and circumstances couldn't be more different.
Say what you want but a grown man shooting a stranger isn't the same as leaving a baby you were supposed to protect to die (which is what kenny THOUGHT Jane did.)
And being fair Walter is a little crazy because no matter what Nick says Walter will let him die unless Clem says Nick is a good man.
Walter isnt crazy... He just didnt want to save the man who killed his partner. Atleast Walter is calm and can be convinced to forgive Nick. Kenny tries to murder Jane no matter what Clem says.
Well nick didn't start with (fake tears) "He's...he's..." He flat out said he was sorry.
And when Jane apologizes for losing AJ she....oh… more wait no apology, no explanation other than it was an accident...which is a lie.
The situation and circumstances couldn't be more different.
Say what you want but a grown man shooting a stranger isn't the same as leaving a baby you were supposed to protect to die (which is what kenny THOUGHT Jane did.)
And being fair Walter is a little crazy because no matter what Nick says Walter will let him die unless Clem says Nick is a good man.
When Jane first comes in Kenny asked what happened and what did she say?
Jane:(fake tears) "He's...he's..." yup that sounds like an explanation/apology to me (NOT):/
Jane had a chance to say what happened but lies by omission instead (the complete opposite of Nick.) Because she wants his anger and needs it to convince Clem. If Kenny understood and forgave her the plan fails and she then looks like a liar when she has to tell them what really did happen (Aj hidden in a car) at which point Kenny would have left Jane alone at the rest stop while him and his family made the way to Wellington.
Walter isnt crazy... He just didnt want to save the man who killed his partner. Atleast Walter is calm and can be convinced to forgive Nick. Kenny tries to murder Jane no matter what Clem says.
Kenny is walking back inside and doesnt listen to Clementine when she asks him to calm down. Tries to punch Jane and calls her a murderer. How exactly did Jane have time to explain what happened, before Kenny tried to punch her?
Because Jane never said anything.
Nick apologized when asked what happened.
When Jane first comes in Kenny asked what happened and wha… moret did she say?
Jane:(fake tears) "He's...he's..." yup that sounds like an explanation/apology to me (NOT):/
Jane had a chance to say what happened but lies by omission instead (the complete opposite of Nick.) Because she wants his anger and needs it to convince Clem. If Kenny understood and forgave her the plan fails and she then looks like a liar when she has to tell them what really did happen (Aj hidden in a car) at which point Kenny would have left Jane alone at the rest stop while him and his family made the way to Wellington.
He asks what happened BEFORE he went on the search for Aj. He asked and Jane lies/pretends to be emotionally shaken and doesn't answer Kenny or Clem. Hell she doesn't even answer Clem when Kenny leaves!
Kenny is walking back inside and doesnt listen to Clementine when she asks him to calm down. Tries to punch Jane and calls her a murderer. How exactly did Jane have time to explain what happened, before Kenny tried to punch her?
Oh wow Jane carried her if Kenny was there he would have carried her back too. The real thing is that Kenny would jump in and get her if she was drowning but Jane wouldn't want to risk her own life and would not!
Kenny was obviously trying to kill Jane after Jane told him that AJ is dead. Jane also tried to kill Kenny and nobody can deny this obvious fact. The point is, Jane started this whole fight by putting AJ in danger and telling Kenny and Clem lies about him. She even admits that after the fight is over. Not to mention the fact that she wanted to abandon him before this scenario as well when he was searching for diesel.
If the situation was real, she had every reason to be shocked and not able to answer the question properly, which is exactly how she acted. Kenny had no reason to believe anything else, but he decided to believe that Jane murdered AJ before actually making sure what happened. This is just like when they got to the house and Kenny started beating Arvo for nothing. Kenny is too impatient to make sure whats going on before acting.
He asks what happened BEFORE he went on the search for Aj. He asked and Jane lies/pretends to be emotionally shaken and doesn't answer Kenny or Clem. Hell she doesn't even answer Clem when Kenny leaves!
Jane was a sociopath.
( If you don't know what exactly what a sociopath is, and what the difference is between a sociopath and a psychopath… more is, then I'd advise researching those
subjects.)
I sided with Kenny.
I was his pal in Season 1, when I played as Lee.
(Though that does not mean I agreed with everything he said and did. The particulars being looting the station wagon, and killing Ben at Crawford.)
And I was his pal again in Season 2.
And that means I tried to help him in that fight with Jane.
And when they arrived at Wellington, I had Clementine and Kenny stay together.
Jane was a survivor, not broken/irrational pile of shit like Kenny.
Only reason you are even defending Kenny, is because you've known him… more longer. If you only saw what he had become on season 2, you wouldnt side with him. We have like 30 minutes with Jane, and multiple hours with Kenny. Of course irrational people would pick old friend over more efficient survivor.
You only seem to care about Kenny, not the safety of Clementines.
I hear that.
I honestly do find it ridiculous to have to defend my choices, all made in a videogame.
Yeah I made choices, in how I wanted to play the game.
But is just a videogame.
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An attitude doesn't mean she did it- a cold attitude doesn't prove that she did it, and in my play through I had Jane try and save Sarah, which she did and I knew full well about her sister. And all that about a baby being a burden, wasn't that between Clem and Jane. Kenny wouldn't know about that, he was just going off her killing AJ as being because he didn't like her attitude- that's not a good reason to kill someone.
And the third paragraph, that's what Kenny should have thought if he still had critical thinking. He just jumped to the conclusion she killed AJ before the fight started (I'm not saying that she didn't provoke him, but they'd been doing that to each other for most of the latter half of the episode).
Kenny had no legitimate reason to think Jane killed AJ, and the best evidence he had was they were caught out in a storm surrounded by zombies (he probably didn't know about the car crash though, did Clem tell him?).
Also your forgetting how different Kenny can be as well in the games. If you disagree with him he can be a complete dick (all the way from Season 1), and I'm sure some people have play throughs like that- like Comintern1919 says. In my game I kept having to defend him to everyone else, and that can be hard when your thinking 'why the fuck can't he just calm down?'. He was always provoking the group since the truck, and especially Luke. It can be hard to have someone constantly bad mouth and argue with people you like. It's not directly against Clem, but it's not good for the group either.
I want to add, I liked Kenny, but man he could be hard to be around sometimes.
That's how it felt
I only said that it was Kenny´s reason, not that it proved Jane killed AJ. I honestly forgot that Kenny didn´t knew about that conversation, but Jane´s hostility towards Kenny still applies. He didn´t 'go off about her killing AJ because of her attitude', he went off because her attitude made the idea plausible for him.
What I said about the third paragraph was because Comintern1919 basically stated that those that know the full situation and think that shooting Kenny is wrong should change their minds because it could have be wrong of him if the situation was completely different.
I said that her attitude at hostility gave him reasons, legitimate or not. But honestly, I couldn´t have be expected of anybody in that situation to stand down at wait for all the facts. (And no, Clem didn´t tell him about the car crash)
I am no forgetting how different Kenny can be, I am just saying that people act like his attitude in No Going Back was how it was the whole season.
Also you ignored a lot of my points. That doesn´t really surprise by what I have seen of this forum, but man, can you really expect a reasonable argument if you just answer whatever you want?
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i'm just curious how jane's endings are remotely positive....it sounded more negative IMO.
I purposely didnt pick Jane because she wanted to kill Kenny to prove a point.
How would you feel if you were Kenny. To have your wife kill her self and your son turn into a walker! Then yo risk your life trying to save someone and end up being separated! Then months later a group comes to a chalet you are staying in and you find Clementine again and you are so happy and proud to see her. Then you are surprised to find that this group is being tracked by some crazy guy who invades your chalet and kills your friend Walter! Then when they take you back to their camp which you have no business being there, you almost get beat to death for covering for Clementine! Then when you all try and escape the camp he loses Sarita who he has fallen in love with! Again he had no business being in any of this. Then you get a little ticked off WHO THE HELL WOULDNT!!!!!! Then the group talks behind your back without confronting you and you know what's going on. Then the people you thought you could trust try to leave with all your supplies after shooting Clementine. When you get in the truck and drive away you and your family are being made fun of by Jane. Really did she have to bring up his family?! Then you are at the rest station and when Jane arrives she implies that the baby is dead. Yet another thing you care about gone. again this has happened and it really get to you that you attack without thinking but Jane knew what was coming because she planned the whole thing. Then as you take out your anger and kill Jane you realise that AJ is alive and that bitch had hid him just to watch how angry he got. Then you realise that this baby and Clem are all you have left and it is their safety that must come first not your own.
Sure Kenny has a bad temper but look at what he's gone through. To me Kenny is a hero
So are you saying that it's ok for Jane to get insulted but when it's Kenny whose being insulted it makes him superior to Jane?
I wouldn't say I 'picked' Kenny exactly but I definitely couldn't shoot him and was confident i'd made the right choice even though I did like Jane up until then.
That's a great point you made, she does all that acting and lying with the baby just to prove a point, which is what? that Kenny is unstable and prone to anger? We already know that Jane you muppet! She is at fault for beginning what Kenny finished, I just wish like Kenny said 'that it didn't have to go so far'.
So carrying a baby through a snowstorm that blinds you is better? And what if a walker grabs you? And what if you fall and smother the baby? And what if the baby dies from the coldness? The list could go on and on. I don't know what you're talking about but putting the baby in the car is actually safer than carrying him outside. Also the car was close to them.
Actually the real reason why Arvo shot Clem is because she killed his sister. Arvo didn't know his sister was a walker and he thought Clem just killed her.
Jane manipulative, plain and simple.
She proved that when she pretended AJ was dead, and then playing on the fragile emotions of a man who had already lost nearly everything.
That kind of behavior is both wrong, and completely repulsive.
I to am tired of people shitting on Kenny.
He's a good guy.
With problems like everyone else.
Yes he's got some serious problems, but that just because he's LOST ALMOST EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING HE'S EVER CARED ABOUT.
Kenny caused the death of Walter by shooting one of Carvers men. Retaliation.
Kenny gave the radio to Clementine in the first place. Only fair to take the blame for it
Because of everything Kenny had gone through, people started to realize that he isnt safe to be around. Jane knew it, Mike, Bonnie and even Luke knew it. Was Kennys state of mind justified? Yes. Did that mean you should get yourself killed being around unstable violent man? No.
Jane was only annoying Kenny since he was being prick, and Kenny went to personalities and this provoked Jane.
So you try to beat young girl to death and try to murder her with a knife? Very justified action and exactly the point why Clem should have left Kenny behind. Kenny didnt even listen to Clementine when she tried calm him down multiple times.
The reason why this season was very unfair towards new characters and especially Jane. You dont get to know them that well, and wont have similar emotional attacment to them as Kenny.
Spot on. Take this like right now.
Well thats the difference between Kenny and Jane. Jane is survivor. Kenny is family first. Only person Kenny cared about were Clementine and AJ. Only person Jane cared about was Clementine.
Even Lee can lose his temper with with Kennys behaviour, and fan favourite Luke said that Kenny is broken and reckless.
You're still dodging the question. How is Kenny protecting Clem?
I know Kenny is upset, but as Clementine tells him, EVERYONE lost people. Every single person in the group has lost their families and people they care about. Jane just lost Luke, but she doesn't take it out on others. When Rebecca loses Alvin, she doesn't take it out on others. Walter loses his friend (William? Can't remember the name) but he can find it in his heart to forgive Nick. With your argument, Arvo is justified in shooting Clem because he just lost his sister and had been abused for two days straight.
Kenny isn't special, he doesn't get a pass just because we know more about his suffering. Everyone has lost just as much as him.
I agree, I just didn't care to argue it so as not to distract from my actual point.
Holy shit. I had more or less forgotten about this.
It's like the anti-Kenny reaction to things o.0
Kenny is protecting Clem because he knows that if they stay with Jane she will leave them to save herself which she proved by pretending she killed the baby!
Your logic is flawless.
Thank you
Yeah he went off at her because it made sense to him- but that is not a legitimate reason to kill someone. And Comintern1919 was describing the sort of thing Kenny should have come to the conclusion to, not 'baby killer!'
(I could be wrong about Kenny not knowing that Jane had said the baby was a burden, I'm not 100% on that but I'm sure if Kenny had heard that he would have flipped out)
Kenny's attitude throughout the season was just getting worse and worse. Naturally in the last episode you'd expect him to be at his worst (not that it wasn't without reason, Sarita's death, the mangling Carver gave him). He was constantly caustic throughout the season and there were even a couple weird tense moments in episode 2 (to the point were Sarita asks you what was he like- showing that she thinks there's something 'wrong' with him).
I also fail to see what points of yours I missed, but I'm happy to go back and discuss them. Also like I said I liked Kenny, but in the end, neither of them were right. Kenny was just really dangerous to be around, he was what really drove the rest of us apart by being difficult, and personally I couldn't just stand by and watch him kill Jane. Even though I think the ending at Wellington is the better of the endings.
I'd say read this thread, cause it is a really well balanced look at the situation: http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/comment/1551608#Comment_1551608
To be fair Nick apologized for what he did to Walter while also saying he didn't know what was going on and thought he was protecting his group.
To be fair, Walter didnt try to punch Nick before he said anything.
No she didn't. Kenny actually tried running away after he got slashed by the knife but she kept coming after him. If you try to stop Jane from going after Kenny she shoves Clem to the ground and goes back to stabbing Kenny.
Well Nick apologized and didn't lie!
Jane=Liar/instigator
whereas Nick=reckless/trigger happy.
NOT the same people or situation at all
Doesnt change the fact that Walter let Nick talk.
Well nick didn't start with (fake tears) "He's...he's..." He flat out said he was sorry.
And when Jane apologizes for losing AJ she....oh wait no apology, no explanation other than it was an accident...which is a lie.
The situation and circumstances couldn't be more different.
Say what you want but a grown man shooting a stranger isn't the same as leaving a baby you were supposed to protect to die (which is what kenny THOUGHT Jane did.)
And being fair Walter is a little crazy because no matter what Nick says Walter will let him die unless Clem says Nick is a good man.
Walter isnt crazy... He just didnt want to save the man who killed his partner. Atleast Walter is calm and can be convinced to forgive Nick. Kenny tries to murder Jane no matter what Clem says.
Because Jane never said anything.
Nick apologized when asked what happened.
When Jane first comes in Kenny asked what happened and what did she say?
Jane:(fake tears) "He's...he's..." yup that sounds like an explanation/apology to me (NOT):/
Jane had a chance to say what happened but lies by omission instead (the complete opposite of Nick.) Because she wants his anger and needs it to convince Clem. If Kenny understood and forgave her the plan fails and she then looks like a liar when she has to tell them what really did happen (Aj hidden in a car) at which point Kenny would have left Jane alone at the rest stop while him and his family made the way to Wellington.
Kenny is walking back inside and doesnt listen to Clementine when she asks him to calm down. Tries to punch Jane and calls her a murderer. How exactly did Jane have time to explain what happened, before Kenny tried to punch her?
He asks what happened BEFORE he went on the search for Aj. He asked and Jane lies/pretends to be emotionally shaken and doesn't answer Kenny or Clem. Hell she doesn't even answer Clem when Kenny leaves!
That's so silly. You don't know that Kenny would jump into a freezing lake at all, and he would probably down himself if he did.
Kenny was obviously trying to kill Jane after Jane told him that AJ is dead. Jane also tried to kill Kenny and nobody can deny this obvious fact. The point is, Jane started this whole fight by putting AJ in danger and telling Kenny and Clem lies about him. She even admits that after the fight is over. Not to mention the fact that she wanted to abandon him before this scenario as well when he was searching for diesel.
If the situation was real, she had every reason to be shocked and not able to answer the question properly, which is exactly how she acted. Kenny had no reason to believe anything else, but he decided to believe that Jane murdered AJ before actually making sure what happened. This is just like when they got to the house and Kenny started beating Arvo for nothing. Kenny is too impatient to make sure whats going on before acting.
I agree people have labling Jane as a psycho with even knowing what the word means.
Reality is boring. Fictional universes are much more interesting.
Uh.......it's a game. Why are we getting so serious over a game? People come back to reality plz.
I hear that.
I honestly do find it ridiculous to have to defend my choices, all made in a videogame.
Yeah I made choices, in how I wanted to play the game.
But is just a videogame.