This is what I think, that is my opinion. So ok, we've got that out of the way, you know I favor Kenny because you have seemed to read my posts. Cool beans. What I do is discuss my opinion with others and share my side of the story. I don't expect people to agree with me, for God sake, we're on a forum. If I'm putting my opinion out there in the first place I'm looking for a debate or discussion. But what really gets me is when people start calling others and I quote "Close minded, ignorant and stubborn" for having a different opinion. Be it engraved into their minds or not, it's still their opinion. You don't have to like it, just respect it.
You can't recall then because you're closed minded yourself, lol.
You just can't seem to understand what we are saying even if we hit you in the face with it.
I'm not being close-minded, I reply with a logical argument as to why X is wrong or why I chose Z. I don't understand why you think I'm being close-minded when you are a close-minded person yourself. I choose to listen to people and reply back with a logical argument, you seem to like to rewrite statements that I've proven wrong/addressed.
You can't recall then because you're closed minded yourself, lol.
You just can't seem to understand what we are saying even if we hit you in the face with it.
"Close minded, ignorant and stubborn" for having a different opinion. Be it engraved into their minds or not, it's still their opinion. You don't have to like it, just respect it.
You don't know my story, the Kenny fans were the ones who started insulting me and then I made the post above. They started talking shit and disrespecting me about my posts and they kept saying I'm ignorant and other shit. Believe it or not your post above is basically what I do on the forum but some people just take it too far. Your post is basically what I try to say to the Kenny fans on this thread but they comment back with how I', "ignortant" or how I'm "stupid".
This is what I think, that is my opinion. So ok, we've got that out of the way, you know I favor Kenny because you have seemed to read my po… morests. Cool beans. What I do is discuss my opinion with others and share my side of the story. I don't expect people to agree with me, for God sake, we're on a forum. If I'm putting my opinion out there in the first place I'm looking for a debate or discussion. But what really gets me is when people start calling others and I quote "Close minded, ignorant and stubborn" for having a different opinion. Be it engraved into their minds or not, it's still their opinion. You don't have to like it, just respect it.
It's funny cause when Clem asks her if she would ever leave her Jane says: "I wouldn't have to." Thus implying that IF she did HAVE TO that she WOULD leave her behind.
Did you read any of my post? I just listed off several reasons as to why he had every right to distrust her.
Jane was the one who held h… moreim at gunpoint, she was the one who suggested they rob him, so yes she is to blame.
I understand why she left Jaime, but that doesn't negate the fact that she left Jaime behind to save herself. For me, you never leave family behind. I'd rather die than sacrifice my sibling to save myself, especially if they need my help so dearly. I don't know how she can live with herself tbh.
She didnt sacrifice her sister for her own benefit. They escaped walkers up on roof and Jamie refused to jump on other roof. She couldnt hold back the walkers or throw Jamie to other roof, so she gave Jamie what she wanted.
Did you read any of my post? I just listed off several reasons as to why he had every right to distrust her.
Jane was the one who held h… moreim at gunpoint, she was the one who suggested they rob him, so yes she is to blame.
I understand why she left Jaime, but that doesn't negate the fact that she left Jaime behind to save herself. For me, you never leave family behind. I'd rather die than sacrifice my sibling to save myself, especially if they need my help so dearly. I don't know how she can live with herself tbh.
Well I don't know it in depth but if that's true then go ahead, knock yourself out. If someone disrespects your post then I'm fine with you lashing them, despite what differences we have.
"Close minded, ignorant and stubborn" for having a different opinion. Be it engraved into their minds or not, it's still their opinion. You … moredon't have to like it, just respect it.
You don't know my story, the Kenny fans were the ones who started insulting me and then I made the post above. They started talking shit and disrespecting me about my posts and they kept saying I'm ignorant and other shit. Believe it or not your post above is basically what I do on the forum but some people just take it too far. Your post is basically what I try to say to the Kenny fans on this thread but they comment back with how I', "ignortant" or how I'm "stupid".
Any of those are possible but unknown...all I do know is that Jane steals from Arvo, then threatens him...and then leaves her group that night to deal with Arvo and his friends whenever they show up (which only Jane, Clem and possibly Luke know about Arvo being robbed)
Assumptions. I see 3 possibilities.
* He simply wanted to rob them
* He wanted to have revenge for what Jane did (dont really think this is very likely)
* He tried to blame Clementines group for stealing medicine (which he himself took).
Did you ever consider that when Kenny seemed to calmed down after trying to punch her and she put her knife away, that she was planning to convince Clementine that they should leave him behind? I think that is plausible explanation. However Kenny charged asap after she puts her knife away. She even says when Kenny holds her against the door "get the fuck off".
So if she predicted it to go down like that then she lies to Clem saying she didn't know it would go that far.
Like I said kenny may be crazy but Jane is a LIAR on multiple things and she lies to whoever to get her way.
So she was supposed to let Arvo keep his gun? Clem and Jane would both possibly have died if they didnt take the weapon from him. You cant trust strangers in zombie apocalypse.
Any of those are possible but unknown...all I do know is that Jane steals from Arvo, then threatens him...and then leaves her group that nig… moreht to deal with Arvo and his friends whenever they show up (which only Jane, Clem and possibly Luke know about Arvo being robbed)
Well I don't know it in depth but if that's true then go ahead, knock yourself out. If someone disrespects your post then I'm fine with you lashing them, despite what differences we have.
I don't like people being bashed no matter what side of the fence they are on. I'm glad we can find common ground.
Also apologies for the misunderstanding.
See I can go and call you a "typical Jane fan", but you know what I'd be doing? Generalizing an entire fanbase, which will therefore invalidate every point I make about the person I'm arguing with. Call them what you will, but I'm not the first person to call you out on this, I'd expect that you'd react the same way as you did before. Seriously stop generalizing, you're only making it worse for yourself. Rephrasing/ignoring an excerpt from your post does not call for such childish insults, they may have irritated you, but you present yourself in a manner that is just asking to be called out. Oh but you do, you don't like Kenny or Kenny fans, and you lash out and insult only them for disliking Jane. You may not realize it, but you make up a great deal of your argument posts, or base them solely on speculation. Ah yes, the stereotypical "resort to pet names and come off as condescending/patronizing approach", I know you too well. How about you quit acting like a brat and acknowledge your mistakes/lies, so I don't have to reprimand you like a child.
Typical Kenny fan, always sides with his fellow Kenny fans and everything you say about me is a big pack of lies. I make sure I treat people… more the same way they treat me. I never started being rude to them, again you start making up stuff. I do admit if I'm wrong, which something you and your fellow Kenny fans will never do. That other guy ( Not AWESOMO) keeps quoting me and rephrases my posts to something which I've never said nor meant. As I've mentioned I don't start throwing insults at a person unless they started first, I'm not that kind of person who insults people for not agreeing with me. I don't generalize all Kenny fans, but most ( Because it's actually true, I'm not making this shit up just so you know ). Your last sentence should be directed towards your fellow Kenny fans because that's what I do to them, I treat them as how they have treated me. Please darling, before you continue with your long paragraph of lies please get your facts straight.
Leaving her sister to die so she can get out of the herd safely is sacrificing her sister for her own benefit. All I'm saying is that Jane has left people behind for being too weak before, she has a reputation for ditching groups and going off on her own. That gives Kenny a reason to not trust Jane to stay and fight to protect the weak, and beleive she'd leave to save herself.
She didnt sacrifice her sister for her own benefit. They escaped walkers up on roof and Jamie refused to jump on other roof. She couldnt hold back the walkers or throw Jamie to other roof, so she gave Jamie what she wanted.
Comments like this really piss me off. By shooting Kenny, you are effectively stopping him from murdering a defenseless woman. Yes, Jane is defenseless at that point, and it doesn't matter what she did during the struggle, or what Kenny thought she did with the baby, he was going to murder her, and I didn't want to let that happen. If it were Jane trying to shove the knife into Kenny's chest, I would have stopped her as well, hell, I would've stopped Lee from doing something like that, if I had control.
I am not trying to condemn people who chose to let Kenny kill Jane, but I hate seeing ignorant comments like this. Shooting Kenny in that moment is not murder. Wikipedia calls murder "the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human", Clementine killed in order to protect someone else, that is what happened.
So if you dont want to commit suicide by getting eaten while your sister is just sitting on ground, leaving is considered sacrificing Jaimie? Jane clearly states that Jamie didnt want to live... How the fuck is it her fault that she couldnt force her to live anymore?
Leaving her sister to die so she can get out of the herd safely is sacrificing her sister for her own benefit. All I'm saying is that Jane h… moreas left people behind for being too weak before, she has a reputation for ditching groups and going off on her own. That gives Kenny a reason to not trust Jane to stay and fight to protect the weak, and beleive she'd leave to save herself.
See I can go and call you a "typical Jane fan", but you know what I'd be doing? Generalizing an entire fanbase, which will therefore invalid… moreate every point I make about the person I'm arguing with. Call them what you will, but I'm not the first person to call you out on this, I'd expect that you'd react the same way as you did before. Seriously stop generalizing, you're only making it worse for yourself. Rephrasing/ignoring an excerpt from your post does not call for such childish insults, they may have irritated you, but you present yourself in a manner that is just asking to be called out. Oh but you do, you don't like Kenny or Kenny fans, and you lash out and insult only them for disliking Jane. You may not realize it, but you make up a great deal of your argument posts, or base them solely on speculation. Ah yes, the stereotypical "resort to pet names and come off as condescending/patronizing approach", I know you too well. How about you … [view original content]
I'm not 'making it seem like I'm not taking sides': I strongly disapprove of lots of Kenny's season 2 actions.
I just don't resort to personal insults,l nor do I EVER state there is one correct option.
Everyone is perfectly entitled to like one ending more than others. People shouldn't be told 'you got the wrong ending' - I don't do that to people.
Thanks for the personal insults though. Thanks for making me feel like actual shit.
I believe that there is no right ending, and become frustrated when people try to imply there is.
What's the point in trying to make people realise there is no absolute 'correct' ending if I'm just going to be labelled as pompous for it? Jesus I can't do anything right can I
Few days ago 'flog you're a fcuking faggot' then 'here's why people don't like you flog:' then 'you jane supporters should be hung or beaten' now I'm pompous and fuck it's just too much...
I'll be limiting my posts to the respect thread for a while I think...need to clear my head of this shit
You're over exaggerating Flog. That isn't what he's saying at all, and you're misinterpreting it on purpose imo. Just like when I disagree w… moreith others, I propose a series of reasons as to why, not take on this "holier than thou", "I'm taking the high road, and making it seem like I'm not choosing sides, but I am" persona. If you look in the thread you can see how heated it's getting, and AWESOMEO is getting a lot of flack for defending his position and opinion. If he came off rude, it's pretty damn obvious he didn't mean it genuinely. I rarely get irritated with people unless I think they're being unnecessarily rude and/or pompous, and you are exhibiting these traits right now.
The point of the matter is that she left her behind, I'm not saying it's her fault, I'm only pointing out the decisions she has made can lead to people believing she will leave others behind for not being strong enough. And she doesn't learn from her regrets, because she does the exact same thing to Sarah.
So if you dont want to commit suicide by getting eaten while your sister is just sitting on ground, leaving is considered sacrificing Jaimie… more? Jane clearly states that Jamie didnt want to live... How the fuck is it her fault that she couldnt force her to live anymore?
I apologize if I've made you feel bad, it is not my intention to hurt your feelings, or to insult you. But the way you conveyed your post, I perceived it as quite arrogant and hurtful, which is why I responded in such a way. I agree, there is no right ending, and I too get frustrated with how people word their opinions so carelessly, but comments like yours don't relieve the problem, but aggravate it.
I'm not 'making it seem like I'm not taking sides': I strongly disapprove of lots of Kenny's season 2 actions.
I just don't resort to per… moresonal insults,l nor do I EVER state there is one correct option.
Everyone is perfectly entitled to like one ending more than others. People shouldn't be told 'you got the wrong ending' - I don't do that to people.
Thanks for the personal insults though. Thanks for making me feel like actual shit.
I believe that there is no right ending, and become frustrated when people try to imply there is.
What's the point in trying to make people realise there is no absolute 'correct' ending if I'm just going to be labelled as pompous for it? Jesus I can't do anything right can I
Few days ago 'flog you're a fcuking faggot' then 'here's why people don't like you flog:' then 'you jane supporters should be hung or beaten' now I'm pompous and fuck it's just too much...
I'll be limiting my posts to the respect thread for a while I think...need to clear my head of this shit
When I say typical Kenny fan I don't generalize the entire fanbase, only the typical ones. And you are one of the typical Kenny fans. Say about me whatever you like but its a big pile of lies. I read your post and I know you base them off my posts above without even bothering to read the last 2 pages of the thread. Even if you did read the last 2 pages then that means you are faking some shit up and attacking me because they are your friends ( I know AWESOMO is your friend ). Please stop acting like I'm the enemy and that I started this whole shit. Your fellow pathetic friends started with the unnecessary insults and unnecessary shaming just because I like Jane. I'm just fighting fire with water, and you are just excess fire coming to fight the water. I don't know what you're trying to do other than try to make me look bad which is failing sir. Please shut up and stop being such a compulsive liar. Okay?
See I can go and call you a "typical Jane fan", but you know what I'd be doing? Generalizing an entire fanbase, which will therefore invalid… moreate every point I make about the person I'm arguing with. Call them what you will, but I'm not the first person to call you out on this, I'd expect that you'd react the same way as you did before. Seriously stop generalizing, you're only making it worse for yourself. Rephrasing/ignoring an excerpt from your post does not call for such childish insults, they may have irritated you, but you present yourself in a manner that is just asking to be called out. Oh but you do, you don't like Kenny or Kenny fans, and you lash out and insult only them for disliking Jane. You may not realize it, but you make up a great deal of your argument posts, or base them solely on speculation. Ah yes, the stereotypical "resort to pet names and come off as condescending/patronizing approach", I know you too well. How about you … [view original content]
They should have left Arvo alone or kill him. Threatening and stealing was never gonna solve any situation and Jane knew it but by then it was too late. Doesn't changer her responsibility for what happened!
So she was supposed to let Arvo keep his gun? Clem and Jane would both possibly have died if they didnt take the weapon from him. You cant trust strangers in zombie apocalypse.
It all depends on your choices.
You can be a dick to Sarah from the beginning, if you weren't a dick to her (and even made a pinky sear w… moreith her), then you just left her, that means you, your Clementine does not care about Sarah enough to risk her life in order to save her, not like other people (including me) who did.
That's the beauty in this game, you can be a coward survivor, or a heroic person that doesn't leave friends behind, yet it's still your opinion and your choices.
Maybe you did care about her, just not enough.
"Ben is my friend, we don't leave friends behind!"
Remember that? That's the true Clementine. That is proof that saving Sarah is the thing Clem would have really done, or at least the closest thing.
You were twisting words and trying to make it sound much worse than it actually was.
To her, it wasnt mistake to leave her sister behind, so why should she learn anything when there is nothing to learn? If someone sincerely wants to die, its their decision and others should respect that.
The point of the matter is that she left her behind, I'm not saying it's her fault, I'm only pointing out the decisions she has made can lea… mored to people believing she will leave others behind for not being strong enough. And she doesn't learn from her regrets, because she does the exact same thing to Sarah.
Only reason Jane disarmed Arvo, was because he was very nervous and could have just Omided Clem.
And yes, she should have just killed Arvo, but like she said on 5th episode, she doesnt kill people who havent hurt her.
And come on... We talked about this. You cant just assume that its all Janes fault.
They should have left Arvo alone or kill him. Threatening and stealing was never gonna solve any situation and Jane knew it but by then it was too late. Doesn't changer her responsibility for what happened!
That isn't twisting words. At the core of it all, she left her sister to save herself, that's just how it is. I doubt she doesn't regret leaving Jaime, if she did she wouldn't bring it up so much, she wouldn't say there might have been something she could do. Hypothetically, I wouldn't let my brother die just because he's depressed and desires to die. Fuck that, I'm not about to respect a decision like that. Most people who "want to die" only want to because they believe no one loves them enough, or wouldn't care if they died. It's when people are in their weakest moments when they need the support of their loved ones the most, not just being there physically, but emotionally. I understand why Jane did what she did, but that doesn't change the fact that she failed her sister in her time of need.
You were twisting words and trying to make it sound much worse than it actually was.
To her, it wasnt mistake to leave her sister behind,… more so why should she learn anything when there is nothing to learn? If someone sincerely wants to die, its their decision and others should respect that.
Not blaming Jane 100% but yeah she takes some blame for it cause she was the adult who interacted with a bandit, stole from him, threatened him and then told no one!!
Other things were to blame too like Arvo and his shiftiness but you are acting like she did nothing wrong.
Only reason Jane disarmed Arvo, was because he was very nervous and could have just Omided Clem.
And yes, she should have just killed Arvo,… more but like she said on 5th episode, she doesnt kill people who havent hurt her.
And come on... We talked about this. You cant just assume that its all Janes fault.
Not blaming Jane 100% but yeah she takes some blame for it cause she was the adult who interacted with a bandit, stole from him, threatened … morehim and then told no one!!
Other things were to blame too like Arvo and his shiftiness but you are acting like she did nothing wrong.
I've read all your posts in the thread, my point still stands. I'm not "faking up" anything, them being my friends has nothing to do with it, I would respond to you the same way even if they weren't. I just can't stand seeing such blatant arrogance and childish rudeness. As I've said before, call me all the names you want, and claim that I'm lying. You know deep down I'm right in my assertions, I merely ask for you to admit it and move on, instead of playing the victim. You have got to calm down, honestly.
When I say typical Kenny fan I don't generalize the entire fanbase, only the typical ones. And you are one of the typical Kenny fans. Say ab… moreout me whatever you like but its a big pile of lies. I read your post and I know you base them off my posts above without even bothering to read the last 2 pages of the thread. Even if you did read the last 2 pages then that means you are faking some shit up and attacking me because they are your friends ( I know AWESOMO is your friend ). Please stop acting like I'm the enemy and that I started this whole shit. Your fellow pathetic friends started with the unnecessary insults and unnecessary shaming just because I like Jane. I'm just fighting fire with water, and you are just excess fire coming to fight the water. I don't know what you're trying to do other than try to make me look bad which is failing sir. Please shut up and stop being such a compulsive liar. Okay?
You are acting as every human would actually want to live just for sake of living. She said that she had to force her to keep moving through 4 states until there came up a situation where she simply couldnt force her to stay alive. Its like saying that Kenny gave up on Katjaa, just because he couldnt stop him from blowing her brains out.
Once i get bored of this meaningless life, i will kill myself. Life isnt the most important thing to me, but trying to enjoy it as long as possible until it gets too damn boring.
That isn't twisting words. At the core of it all, she left her sister to save herself, that's just how it is. I doubt she doesn't regret lea… moreving Jaime, if she did she wouldn't bring it up so much, she wouldn't say there might have been something she could do. Hypothetically, I wouldn't let my brother die just because he's depressed and desires to die. Fuck that, I'm not about to respect a decision like that. Most people who "want to die" only want to because they believe no one loves them enough, or wouldn't care if they died. It's when people are in their weakest moments when they need the support of their loved ones the most, not just being there physically, but emotionally. I understand why Jane did what she did, but that doesn't change the fact that she failed her sister in her time of need.
Playing the victim? Apparently I'm the enemy and you are the victim. Most of the stuff you said aren't even true. I never started insulting anyone unless they have started. I don't see what's childish about calling someone close-minded, stubborn and ignorant. Your definition of childish is beyond me because clearly I don't see any childish insults in my posts. You are either lying or haven't even read my posts which is ignorance from your side. Please, just go and show me proof that I have started insulting people first before them insulting me. Just show me proof and I'll shut the hole in my face.
I've read all your posts in the thread, my point still stands. I'm not "faking up" anything, them being my friends has nothing to do with it… more, I would respond to you the same way even if they weren't. I just can't stand seeing such blatant arrogance and childish rudeness. As I've said before, call me all the names you want, and claim that I'm lying. You know deep down I'm right in my assertions, I merely ask for you to admit it and move on, instead of playing the victim. You have got to calm down, honestly.
Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out, what in the actual fuck is wrong with you? She clearly wanted to kill him. At that point Kenny was defending himself just as much.
Comments like this really piss me off. By shooting Kenny, you are effectively stopping him from murdering a defenseless woman. Yes, Jane is … moredefenseless at that point, and it doesn't matter what she did during the struggle, or what Kenny thought she did with the baby, he was going to murder her, and I didn't want to let that happen. If it were Jane trying to shove the knife into Kenny's chest, I would have stopped her as well, hell, I would've stopped Lee from doing something like that, if I had control.
I am not trying to condemn people who chose to let Kenny kill Jane, but I hate seeing ignorant comments like this. Shooting Kenny in that moment is not murder. Wikipedia calls murder "the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human", Clementine killed in order to protect someone else, that is what happened.
Suicide is a very selfish act. Unless you are bit, there is no good reason for killing yourself, much less allowing your family to succumb to depression and letting them die. Jaime didn't put a gun to her head, she was just disconnected. There is a difference.
Life is sacred, you should appreciate that you are even alive. Life gets hard, but there are many who didn't even get to live past infancy, or childhood/teen years. You are a lot luckier than you realize.
You are acting as every human would actually want to live just for sake of living. She said that she had to force her to keep moving through… more 4 states until there came up a situation where she simply couldnt force her to stay alive. Its like saying that Kenny gave up on Katjaa, just because he couldnt stop him from blowing her brains out.
Once i get bored of this meaningless life, i will kill myself. Life isnt the most important thing to me, but trying to enjoy it as long as possible until it gets too damn boring.
"You made the right choice" Booyah!
I was Kennys best buddy too, and always defended him, except when he was trying to murder Jane. The dud… moree was cracking up throughout the episode and he went too far in my book, I wasn't about to let him murder a friend. It was either "Sane Jane" or "Crazy Kenny"
Sorry Kenny.
Suicide may be selfish act, but forcing someone to stay alive for months is selfish also. But anyways, just as with Katjaa and Jaimie, the people who cared about them couldnt do anything to save their lives, and theit deaths arent their fault.
There is a difference between being deppressed and suicidal and giving up on life completely to no point of return.
Well to me being alive is just a lucky chance. Life doesnt have a purpose or meaning, but i am still going to enjoy it as much as i can .
Suicide is a very selfish act. Unless you are bit, there is no good reason for killing yourself, much less allowing your family to succumb t… moreo depression and letting them die. Jaime didn't put a gun to her head, she was just disconnected. There is a difference.
Life is sacred, you should appreciate that you are even alive. Life gets hard, but there are many who didn't even get to live past infancy, or childhood/teen years. You are a lot luckier than you realize.
It was but like we agreed earlier if it was going to go that far she should have killed him but then we have no episode 5 lol. It's the darn writers and their plot contrivances;)
It was but like we agreed earlier if it was going to go that far she should have killed him but then we have no episode 5 lol. It's the darn writers and their plot contrivances;)
LMAO that's right. It looked super Close but instead they walk a days walk to a supposed bandit hideout. LOL so much stupidity in Clem's group that it's a wonder anyone made it at all.
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This is what I think, that is my opinion. So ok, we've got that out of the way, you know I favor Kenny because you have seemed to read my posts. Cool beans. What I do is discuss my opinion with others and share my side of the story. I don't expect people to agree with me, for God sake, we're on a forum. If I'm putting my opinion out there in the first place I'm looking for a debate or discussion. But what really gets me is when people start calling others and I quote "Close minded, ignorant and stubborn" for having a different opinion. Be it engraved into their minds or not, it's still their opinion. You don't have to like it, just respect it.
You just can't seem to understand what we are saying even if we hit you in the face with it.
I'm not being close-minded, I reply with a logical argument as to why X is wrong or why I chose Z. I don't understand why you think I'm being close-minded when you are a close-minded person yourself. I choose to listen to people and reply back with a logical argument, you seem to like to rewrite statements that I've proven wrong/addressed.
Assumptions. I see 3 possibilities.
You don't know my story, the Kenny fans were the ones who started insulting me and then I made the post above. They started talking shit and disrespecting me about my posts and they kept saying I'm ignorant and other shit. Believe it or not your post above is basically what I do on the forum but some people just take it too far. Your post is basically what I try to say to the Kenny fans on this thread but they comment back with how I', "ignortant" or how I'm "stupid".
It's funny cause when Clem asks her if she would ever leave her Jane says: "I wouldn't have to." Thus implying that IF she did HAVE TO that she WOULD leave her behind.
She didnt sacrifice her sister for her own benefit. They escaped walkers up on roof and Jamie refused to jump on other roof. She couldnt hold back the walkers or throw Jamie to other roof, so she gave Jamie what she wanted.
Well I don't know it in depth but if that's true then go ahead, knock yourself out. If someone disrespects your post then I'm fine with you lashing them, despite what differences we have.
Any of those are possible but unknown...all I do know is that Jane steals from Arvo, then threatens him...and then leaves her group that night to deal with Arvo and his friends whenever they show up (which only Jane, Clem and possibly Luke know about Arvo being robbed)
Did you ever consider that when Kenny seemed to calmed down after trying to punch her and she put her knife away, that she was planning to convince Clementine that they should leave him behind? I think that is plausible explanation. However Kenny charged asap after she puts her knife away. She even says when Kenny holds her against the door "get the fuck off".
So she was supposed to let Arvo keep his gun? Clem and Jane would both possibly have died if they didnt take the weapon from him. You cant trust strangers in zombie apocalypse.
Finally someone who understands
I don't like people being bashed no matter what side of the fence they are on. I'm glad we can find common ground.
Also apologies for the misunderstanding.
No worries, at least you weren't being close-minded like some people who refuse to believe that I didn't start insulting the Kenny fans. Oh well
See I can go and call you a "typical Jane fan", but you know what I'd be doing? Generalizing an entire fanbase, which will therefore invalidate every point I make about the person I'm arguing with. Call them what you will, but I'm not the first person to call you out on this, I'd expect that you'd react the same way as you did before. Seriously stop generalizing, you're only making it worse for yourself. Rephrasing/ignoring an excerpt from your post does not call for such childish insults, they may have irritated you, but you present yourself in a manner that is just asking to be called out. Oh but you do, you don't like Kenny or Kenny fans, and you lash out and insult only them for disliking Jane. You may not realize it, but you make up a great deal of your argument posts, or base them solely on speculation. Ah yes, the stereotypical "resort to pet names and come off as condescending/patronizing approach", I know you too well. How about you quit acting like a brat and acknowledge your mistakes/lies, so I don't have to reprimand you like a child.
Leaving her sister to die so she can get out of the herd safely is sacrificing her sister for her own benefit. All I'm saying is that Jane has left people behind for being too weak before, she has a reputation for ditching groups and going off on her own. That gives Kenny a reason to not trust Jane to stay and fight to protect the weak, and beleive she'd leave to save herself.
it's fine:)
Comments like this really piss me off. By shooting Kenny, you are effectively stopping him from murdering a defenseless woman. Yes, Jane is defenseless at that point, and it doesn't matter what she did during the struggle, or what Kenny thought she did with the baby, he was going to murder her, and I didn't want to let that happen. If it were Jane trying to shove the knife into Kenny's chest, I would have stopped her as well, hell, I would've stopped Lee from doing something like that, if I had control.
I am not trying to condemn people who chose to let Kenny kill Jane, but I hate seeing ignorant comments like this. Shooting Kenny in that moment is not murder. Wikipedia calls murder "the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human", Clementine killed in order to protect someone else, that is what happened.
So if you dont want to commit suicide by getting eaten while your sister is just sitting on ground, leaving is considered sacrificing Jaimie? Jane clearly states that Jamie didnt want to live... How the fuck is it her fault that she couldnt force her to live anymore?
You make me proud.
Clearly learned from one of the best. (;
I'm not 'making it seem like I'm not taking sides': I strongly disapprove of lots of Kenny's season 2 actions.
I just don't resort to personal insults,l nor do I EVER state there is one correct option.
Everyone is perfectly entitled to like one ending more than others. People shouldn't be told 'you got the wrong ending' - I don't do that to people.
Thanks for the personal insults though. Thanks for making me feel like actual shit.
I believe that there is no right ending, and become frustrated when people try to imply there is.
What's the point in trying to make people realise there is no absolute 'correct' ending if I'm just going to be labelled as pompous for it? Jesus I can't do anything right can I
Few days ago 'flog you're a fcuking faggot' then 'here's why people don't like you flog:' then 'you jane supporters should be hung or beaten' now I'm pompous and fuck it's just too much...
I'll be limiting my posts to the respect thread for a while I think...need to clear my head of this shit
The point of the matter is that she left her behind, I'm not saying it's her fault, I'm only pointing out the decisions she has made can lead to people believing she will leave others behind for not being strong enough. And she doesn't learn from her regrets, because she does the exact same thing to Sarah.
I apologize if I've made you feel bad, it is not my intention to hurt your feelings, or to insult you. But the way you conveyed your post, I perceived it as quite arrogant and hurtful, which is why I responded in such a way. I agree, there is no right ending, and I too get frustrated with how people word their opinions so carelessly, but comments like yours don't relieve the problem, but aggravate it.
When I say typical Kenny fan I don't generalize the entire fanbase, only the typical ones. And you are one of the typical Kenny fans. Say about me whatever you like but its a big pile of lies. I read your post and I know you base them off my posts above without even bothering to read the last 2 pages of the thread. Even if you did read the last 2 pages then that means you are faking some shit up and attacking me because they are your friends ( I know AWESOMO is your friend ). Please stop acting like I'm the enemy and that I started this whole shit. Your fellow pathetic friends started with the unnecessary insults and unnecessary shaming just because I like Jane. I'm just fighting fire with water, and you are just excess fire coming to fight the water. I don't know what you're trying to do other than try to make me look bad which is failing sir. Please shut up and stop being such a compulsive liar. Okay?
They should have left Arvo alone or kill him. Threatening and stealing was never gonna solve any situation and Jane knew it but by then it was too late. Doesn't changer her responsibility for what happened!
There is no true Clementine just as there is no one true cannon.
You were twisting words and trying to make it sound much worse than it actually was.
To her, it wasnt mistake to leave her sister behind, so why should she learn anything when there is nothing to learn? If someone sincerely wants to die, its their decision and others should respect that.
Only reason Jane disarmed Arvo, was because he was very nervous and could have just Omided Clem.
And yes, she should have just killed Arvo, but like she said on 5th episode, she doesnt kill people who havent hurt her.
And come on... We talked about this. You cant just assume that its all Janes fault.
That isn't twisting words. At the core of it all, she left her sister to save herself, that's just how it is. I doubt she doesn't regret leaving Jaime, if she did she wouldn't bring it up so much, she wouldn't say there might have been something she could do. Hypothetically, I wouldn't let my brother die just because he's depressed and desires to die. Fuck that, I'm not about to respect a decision like that. Most people who "want to die" only want to because they believe no one loves them enough, or wouldn't care if they died. It's when people are in their weakest moments when they need the support of their loved ones the most, not just being there physically, but emotionally. I understand why Jane did what she did, but that doesn't change the fact that she failed her sister in her time of need.
Not blaming Jane 100% but yeah she takes some blame for it cause she was the adult who interacted with a bandit, stole from him, threatened him and then told no one!!
Other things were to blame too like Arvo and his shiftiness but you are acting like she did nothing wrong.
Disarming him to prevent another Omid moment was wise.
I've read all your posts in the thread, my point still stands. I'm not "faking up" anything, them being my friends has nothing to do with it, I would respond to you the same way even if they weren't. I just can't stand seeing such blatant arrogance and childish rudeness. As I've said before, call me all the names you want, and claim that I'm lying. You know deep down I'm right in my assertions, I merely ask for you to admit it and move on, instead of playing the victim. You have got to calm down, honestly.
You are acting as every human would actually want to live just for sake of living. She said that she had to force her to keep moving through 4 states until there came up a situation where she simply couldnt force her to stay alive. Its like saying that Kenny gave up on Katjaa, just because he couldnt stop him from blowing her brains out.
Once i get bored of this meaningless life, i will kill myself. Life isnt the most important thing to me, but trying to enjoy it as long as possible until it gets too damn boring.
Playing the victim? Apparently I'm the enemy and you are the victim. Most of the stuff you said aren't even true. I never started insulting anyone unless they have started. I don't see what's childish about calling someone close-minded, stubborn and ignorant. Your definition of childish is beyond me because clearly I don't see any childish insults in my posts. You are either lying or haven't even read my posts which is ignorance from your side. Please, just go and show me proof that I have started insulting people first before them insulting me. Just show me proof and I'll shut the hole in my face.
Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out, what in the actual fuck is wrong with you? She clearly wanted to kill him. At that point Kenny was defending himself just as much.
Suicide is a very selfish act. Unless you are bit, there is no good reason for killing yourself, much less allowing your family to succumb to depression and letting them die. Jaime didn't put a gun to her head, she was just disconnected. There is a difference.
Life is sacred, you should appreciate that you are even alive. Life gets hard, but there are many who didn't even get to live past infancy, or childhood/teen years. You are a lot luckier than you realize.
'Sane Jane'
Jane clearly was sane, whatever.
Suicide may be selfish act, but forcing someone to stay alive for months is selfish also. But anyways, just as with Katjaa and Jaimie, the people who cared about them couldnt do anything to save their lives, and theit deaths arent their fault.
There is a difference between being deppressed and suicidal and giving up on life completely to no point of return.
Well to me being alive is just a lucky chance. Life doesnt have a purpose or meaning, but i am still going to enjoy it as much as i can
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It was but like we agreed earlier if it was going to go that far she should have killed him but then we have no episode 5 lol. It's the darn writers and their plot contrivances;)
Yeah... And that disappearing town between episodes 4-5.
LMAO that's right. It looked super Close but instead they walk a days walk to a supposed bandit hideout. LOL so much stupidity in Clem's group that it's a wonder anyone made it at all.