LMAO that's right. It looked super Close but instead they walk a days walk to a supposed bandit hideout. LOL so much stupidity in Clem's group that it's a wonder anyone made it at all.
" AWESOMEO: Omgerddd like why couldn't jane put her sister out of her misery by stepping on her head or throwing her off the building, she is so evil!!! "
" AlanSpencer: but jane is vary selfish!!! she leave it baby to be bitten or freeze to death!!! "
This thread is full of Pro-Kenny fans who just won't admit that Jane was right about Kenny. Their posts lack logic and truth and all I ever see them saying about Jane is "BUTTTT SHE LEFT HER SISTER SHE IS EVIEL!!!!" "SHE LEFT THE GROUP WADAFUCK!" "OMGURRRD JANE IS SO SELFISH!!!". You Kenny fans are exactly like Kenny:
-Blinded by the truth
-Close-minded
-Ignorant
-Pathetic and rude
-Lack logic in their comments
-Stubborn
Typical Kenny fan, always sides with his fellow Kenny fans and everything you say about me is a big pack of lies.
There's more of you conducting yourself a similar way in other threads, which is partly why I'm calling you out in the first place. Acting like this, in the way that a child would, is what's making people react in such a negative way to you. That is why so many people are reprimanding you for your behavior. I won't say that the people you are arguing with are victims, because they've done their fair share of insulting and goading as well. But you are the one who is blowing this up, and are making yourself a target for insulting more than just the person you're arguing with, you're insulting a huge amount of people. I don't expect this to sink in for you, but because I know others are getting upset with you, so I see no need for us to converse further.
edit: also these.
Omg you're even dumber than Kenny -_-
Him: OMGERRDDDD BUT JANE RUN AWAY I MEAN SHE IS SO EVILLLL (I addressed that in the post above him)
Him: OMGURRRRRRRRRD BUT LET SARAH DIE SHE IS SO EVILLLLL (I did address that in the post above him)
It is a good excuse to insult someone if he's going to be ignorant.
Playing the victim? Apparently I'm the enemy and you are the victim. Most of the stuff you said aren't even true. I never started insulting … moreanyone unless they have started. I don't see what's childish about calling someone close-minded, stubborn and ignorant. Your definition of childish is beyond me because clearly I don't see any childish insults in my posts. You are either lying or haven't even read my posts which is ignorance from your side. Please, just go and show me proof that I have started insulting people first before them insulting me. Just show me proof and I'll shut the hole in my face.
Kenny is dead in both of my playthroughs. Im assuming there is a third ending where Kenny survives. But don't feel like replaying the entire episode to get to find out. Without giving too much away, is it even worth it?
Here's the thing with that. She didn't kill the baby. It was an accident, but in that world babies are more of a danger to the group because of the noise it makes. Get surrounded by a bunch of walkers because the baby won't shut up what will you do? Some would give it up, some will try to fight out of it, others will lose it and probably drop it while trying to get away. Kenny lost it. He had to go.
Jane made Kenny go off like that, any person would, she fucking "killed" his baby, what did she expect?
I'll tell you what she expected -… more just that. She wanted him to go off at her and she wanted Clem/herself to have a lame excuse to finish him off, because they have disagreements and she never really knew how to work things out with people, so she did what she knows best, manipulation.
She exactly did know what she was entering, it's only logical that if you kill someone's kid you're going to get killed yourself, it is his true state of mind yeah, but it's only true because she made it that way, she gave him the last push he needed to lose it.
By the way, ever thought what her motive to do this was? Because I think she just wanted her to herself, she didn't know how to worked things out with Kenny so might as well make you kill him, right?
WRONG! YOU WORK YOUR SHIT OUT AND YOU PUT YOUR FUCKING EGO ASIDE, WHAT JANE CLEARLY CAN NEVER DO.
Jane is a bastard, she deserves to die, that fucking bitch.
The only reason why people act negative towards me is because they are Kenny fans. I need not to say any more because this will just make an endless loop of arguments. Don't think I'm making this up as an excuse to not reply to you. I felt the need to make that post because of the huge amount of hate I was getting because I support Jane. People just can't seem to accept my opinion and instead hate on me. I don't care what any of you think anymore, end of story.
All of you Kenny fans are the same
-Blinded by the truth
-Repeating points I have already addressed
-"Omg Jane is selfi… moresh HURRR DURR"
" AWESOMEO: Omgerddd like why couldn't jane put her sister out of her misery by stepping on her head or throwing her off the building, she is so evil!!! "
" AlanSpencer: but jane is vary selfish!!! she leave it baby to be bitten or freeze to death!!! "
This thread is full of Pro-Kenny fans who just won't admit that Jane was right about Kenny. Their posts lack logic and truth and all I ever see them saying about Jane is "BUTTTT SHE LEFT HER SISTER SHE IS EVIEL!!!!" "SHE LEFT THE GROUP WADAFUCK!" "OMGURRRD JANE IS SO SELFISH!!!". You Kenny fans are exactly like Kenny:
-Blinded by the truth
-Close-minded
-Ignorant
-Pathetic and rude
-Lack logic in their comments
-Stubborn
Typical Kenny fan, always sides with his fellow Kenny… [view original content]
i just don't like how he bosses everyone around all the time like it's his way or i'll leave you to die he never listens to anyone who has another plan that's way i don't like kenny he act's like a bully
Nothing's wrong with me. "Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out", this happened during the fight, Kenny lunged at her. Both Kenny and Jane had malicious intent, do you forget Kenny stabbing Jane's leg after Clementine pulled her off? There were many places the fight could've ended. As for Kenny defending himself, he wasn't always on the offensive, no, but the one time he was in a similar defenseless position to the one he would have Jane in later, Clementine stops that pretty quickly. Neither of them were innocent, but Kenny had no reason to kill Jane at that point, there simply was no reason for him to continue on and stab her. If you need me to explain exactly why I believe there was no reason, it's simple, Jane was not a direct threat to Kenny's life at the moment. What happened when Clementine pulled Jane off of Kenny? He grabbed her knife, stabbed her in the leg, got on top of her, and tried to shove the knife into her chest. That's murder if I've ever heard of it, not self-defense.
I don't like getting into these kind of arguments, ones that are part of a larger 'war'. But if a person is going to disagree with me, I'd like their case to have some thought put into it.
Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out, what in the actual fuck is wrong with you? She clearly wanted to kill him. At that point Kenny was defending himself just as much.
Yeah but even so the writing/continuity should be planned out better. Looking back I feel they should have took more time developing the overall story so it would flow better like season 1 did( Tho season 1 had it's fair share of problems as well).
By the way, you're a very rude person for calling me an asshole, you should also be ashamed that you let yourself say that only because you lacked in counter-arguments.
Just wanted you to know.
You know what I realized? Kenny was about to go off on Clementine for leaving the baby with Jane.
You left him with Jane?!?!?
And Jane wasn't even there yet. I mean, I know Kenny's in a dark place but time and time again he shows he can't control himself. I agree with you, OP.
I think we're beginning to delve into a very serious subject matter, and I'd rather not debate about that online. I'm not saying their deaths are Kenny or Jane's faults, the difference is that Jane actively left Jaime behind knowing that she was very depressed, where Kenny was none the wiser that Katjaa planned to kill herself in such a brutal manner. The reason for me bringing up Jane leaving Jaime, is because history repeats itself. She has a reputation for leaving to save herself, so it's not difficult to assume that Kenny would believe that she'd abandon AJ to save herself. She won't sacrifice herself to save someone unless it benefits her directly. She left Sarah behind, and she also left Clem and the group behind, until she realized that Clem could be what she wanted Jaime to become. And though Jane is a loner, nobody truly wants to be alone. It's just the way she went about forcing Clem to go with her was despicable and manipulative; the completely wrong way to go about it tbh.
Suicide may be selfish act, but forcing someone to stay alive for months is selfish also. But anyways, just as with Katjaa and Jaimie, the p… moreeople who cared about them couldnt do anything to save their lives, and theit deaths arent their fault.
There is a difference between being deppressed and suicidal and giving up on life completely to no point of return.
Well to me being alive is just a lucky chance. Life doesnt have a purpose or meaning, but i am still going to enjoy it as much as i can .
You clearly will never listen to me, @Belan may be able to explain this better..
I don't know man.. I think people are just sick of hearing from me at this point so it doesn't really matter what I say. Literally had the stupidest conversation of my life (seriously, check my posts) because of saying one little statement about Jane. Apparently I'm a disrespectful guy for arguing against opinion and not giving up on my points when there is no reason to..
I appreciate it though. You do a good job on your own.
That's actually is a pretty popular decision, the reason why only 11% ended up with her is cause that stat is divided in 5 parts cause of the 5 possible endings.
You clearly will never listen to me, @Belan may be able to explain this better..
I don't know man.. I think people are just sick of … morehearing from me at this point so it doesn't really matter what I say. Literally had the stupidest conversation of my life (seriously, check my posts) because of saying one little statement about Jane. Apparently I'm a disrespectful guy for arguing against opinion and not giving up on my points when there is no reason to..
I appreciate it though. You do a good job on your own.
I think we're beginning to delve into a very serious subject matter, and I'd rather not debate about that online. I'm not saying their death… mores are Kenny or Jane's faults, the difference is that Jane actively left Jaime behind knowing that she was very depressed, where Kenny was none the wiser that Katjaa planned to kill herself in such a brutal manner. The reason for me bringing up Jane leaving Jaime, is because history repeats itself. She has a reputation for leaving to save herself, so it's not difficult to assume that Kenny would believe that she'd abandon AJ to save herself. She won't sacrifice herself to save someone unless it benefits her directly. She left Sarah behind, and she also left Clem and the group behind, until she realized that Clem could be what she wanted Jaime to become. And though Jane is a loner, nobody truly wants to be alone. It's just the way she went about forcing Clem to go with her was despicable and manipulative; the completely wrong way to go about it tbh.
HA... that's funny because it's usually it's the Kenny supports who make the problems. When the episode came out, everyone was on the forum … morelike FUCK JANE. It was Kenny fans that initiated this. I'm with Jane because I wasn't gonna just let Clem do it own her own. And Jane is the best person to take care of her because she knows exactly what she's doing. What she did was wrong, BUT understandable because she did it all for her and the baby in the first place. Jane has a second chance to be a big sister again and Clem has a chance to have a sister like relationship with her.
First, there's no longer a downvote button so....yeah. xD
Second, both Kenny and Jane were EXTREMELY wrong for the things they did. To be honest, I'd say the most morally "right" choice is to kill them both. They honestly both deserved to die for what they were doing. Kenny for going apeshit without considering maybe Jane DIDN'T kill the baby, and Jane for purposely provoking Kenny into attacking her in an attempt to manipulate Clementine onto her side.
I don't think I need to go through Kenny's flaws here, since you already chose Jane. But, here's why most people didn't choose her.
She left Clementine once and she has a history of leaving people and being a loner. She could easily do it again, while Kenny doesn't leave his friends behind for anything, and it is made clear he cares dearly for Clementine, even if he hates everyone else. So, in terms of who would stick with her, Kenny is more likely. That's not to say the likelihood of her abandoning Clementine is remotely high, but it's still definitely higher than Kenny's.
As for the fight, Jane and Kenny were both complete assholes, so I suppose it just depends on who you want to help more, but the things Jane did wrong are as follows - she lied and purposely provoked Kenny into fighting her with the intention of manipulating Clementine into abandoning him. If you save her, she claims she didn't know Kenny would take it that far, yet she could have stopped the fight at ANY time by saying the baby was fine and when Kenny is about to kill her he says something along the lines of "I'll fucking kill you", to which she replies "I knew you would", implying she knew from the get-go that Kenny would probably end up killing her. So, she PURPOSELY started the fight knowing full well it would probably result in her death or Kenny's death, CHOSE not to stop the fight the entire time and did it all to manipulate Clementine.
Now, that's not to say Kenny didn't do anything wrong(what he did was pretty much murder/attempted murder, in short), but this isn't about him. Hopefully I cleared up why more people side with Kenny. Also, sorry if I repeated anything....I can have some repetitive tendencies.
I my self chose Kenny but I was tempted to just kill them both. VERY tempted.
He wasn't going to in the slightest. He looked panicked if anything. And he most certainly wouldn't have attacked her even if he for some reason got pissy. He would have just yelled and looked depressed for a while. When he was blaming Clementine for his girlfriend's death, that's all he did. So....no reason to believe anything worse would happen.
Besides, all he did was say "You left him with her!?" What makes you think he was gonna go ragemode just because of that? He doesn't trust Jane, of course he was REALLY shocked at that.
You know what I realized? Kenny was about to go off on Clementine for leaving the baby with Jane.
You left him with Jane?!?!?
And Jane… more wasn't even there yet. I mean, I know Kenny's in a dark place but time and time again he shows he can't control himself. I agree with you, OP.
Walkers were frozen outside (you can see that while Clem is walking to rest stop).
Car was a lot warmer than outside.
She wanted to go back to howe's because it was more wise option and they knew that there was baby formula back there.
I didnt actually think that Jane would care about the baby, but seems like i was wrong...
You say she did it all for Clem and the baby, but she leaved the baby in a car risking that he be bitten or freeze to death.
What a outstanding leap of logic, I just can't see where the ends meet
The walkers were still moving, not frozen. The car was a lot warmer that outside, yes, but you are ignoring that the baby could freeze to death even in the car and ignoring that if the babies cries were audible in the Rest Stop the walkers, which are super sensitive to sound, could hear him easily, break the window and bite him.
I don´t know why are you bringing Howe´s into this, but:
Just the fact that Wellington sustains itself even with overpopulation and giving up supplies to other survivors make it better that Howe´s, which even Jane admits that it doesn´t have much supplies, but it goes beyond that. They have such a big place to defend and sustain with only five people and best, one of which is worthless, the family is shady at best, bandit’s and herd problems. All that makes Howe´s just a temporary solution no matter how you look at it.
Walkers were frozen outside (you can see that while Clem is walking to rest stop).
Car was a lot warmer than outside.
She wanted to go bac… morek to howe's because it was more wise option and they knew that there was baby formula back there.
I didnt actually think that Jane would care about the baby, but seems like i was wrong...
The walkers were still moving, not frozen. The car was a lot warmer that outside, yes, but you are ignoring that the baby could freeze to de… moreath even in the car and ignoring that if the babies cries were audible in the Rest Stop the walkers, which are super sensitive to sound, could hear him easily, break the window and bite him.
I don´t know why are you bringing Howe´s into this, but:
Just the fact that Wellington sustains itself even with overpopulation and giving up supplies to other survivors make it better that Howe´s, which even Jane admits that it doesn´t have much supplies, but it goes beyond that. They have such a big place to defend and sustain with only five people and best, one of which is worthless, the family is shady at best, bandit’s and herd problems. All that makes Howe´s just a temporary solution no matter how you look at it.
I interpreted it as then being incapable of hearing Clem because of the snowstorm, but whatever, you are still ignoring that she leaves the baby in danger because he could freeze to death even in the car.
The point you are trying to push is meaningless, because I wasn´t trying to see Howe´s was a illogical choice but that Howe´s in the worst choice while knowing all the facts. But still you have to consider just of much Wellington is talked about if both Crista and Kenny know about it, and that go looking for Wellington was their best chance of survival, even if I turned it was just a story.
Would you risk your life over a story?
This is irrelevant. I am saying that going to look for Wellington is the best choice in that situation, nothing involving what I could do or not.
Walkers werent moving... they were too cold (the walkers dont follow Clementine, even if she shoots, so why would they follow baby crying?)
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The fact that they KNEW howe's existed made it better choice to go for. They had no any actual evidence of Wellingtons existence.
Would you risk your life over a story?
You are not even trying to refute AWESOMEO point, which is that whay Jane did is fucked up, you just say that everyone caring about Clem makes Kenny not Clem´s guardian.
So you justify what she did because she wanted to prove a violent man to be violent, by saying she caused the death of his child and making him lash out on her and try to kill her?
Well the only reasons she plotted against Kenny was because how unstable and violent he became.
Even if she remained with her sister and died trying to help her, Jamie would have died anything. She would have died for nothing then.
Based on the facts you knew, when you had to chooce, Howe's or just going back south was the best option.
When you have no hope left and nothing to lose (Kenny), you would be willing to risk your life just for stories. If there wasnt Wellington or they couldnt find it, they would have just frozen to death in the north. Because of those 2 possibilities, i chose that searching for Wellington isnt worth it.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
I interpreted it as then being incapable of hearing Clem because of the snowstorm, but whatever, you are still ignoring that she leaves the … morebaby in danger because he could freeze to death even in the car.
The point you are trying to push is meaningless, because I wasn´t trying to see Howe´s was a illogical choice but that Howe´s in the worst choice while knowing all the facts. But still you have to consider just of much Wellington is talked about if both Crista and Kenny know about it, and that go looking for Wellington was their best chance of survival, even if I turned it was just a story.
Would you risk your life over a story?
This is irrelevant. I am saying that going to look for Wellington is the best choice in that situation, nothing involving what I could do or not.
Hi everybody, i have just finished episode 5. I think Tell Tale made a great new season!!Because there aren't wrong or right decisions about kenny vs Jane or the family , there are only choices and their consequences..This is one of the reason because i LOVE this game.
It was my first play in ep 5, so the most instinctive.
I'M NOT A KENNY HATER OR SUPPORTER!!!
In the end i saved Jane not because she was good or right, but because these main reasons :
-she came back when Clem was in danger.
-she taught some tricks for survive, so Clem was the only person who she really care about.
- During the fight there was a moment she put down her knife. Maybe she wanted to make Kenny mad, but initially she didn't want to kill him.
I really liked Kenny and shoot him was one of the toughest decisions which i have made because he was a really good friend.
I made this decision because in the ep5 of first season:
-Lee had to convince Kenny to help him, He didn't offered him self and he did it because Lee help his family(I always supported Kenny but i only didn't kill Larry)
-when Ben fallen in the alley he wanted to put down him, because he felt guilty and don't make him suffer but i don't understand why he didn't want to follow Lee to save Clem who was alive and in danger or do the both things.
-He no longer controlled himself and his anger.
When Clem told him that it was her fault and he was going to see his family i understand that a big part of him really wanted to die and his forgiveness was a also a thank you.
After that Clem was very angry against Jane and she didn't trust her so much but she forgave her because:
-she can help her to protect the baby
-Jane which was a very selfish person put herself in danger to convince Clem because she don't want to leave her and she care about her. She could just run away and leave clem as she did with her sister..
So you justify what she did because she wanted to prove a violent man to be violent, by saying she caused the death of his child and making him lash out on her and try to kill her?
Yet again, you people fail to make sense.
Zykelator, you are still ignoring that she leaves the baby in danger because he could freeze to death even in the car.
Based on the facts you knew, when you had to chooce, Howe's or just going back south was the best option.
Note that I said: while knowing all the facts. By that I mean all the facts , not just the ones you knew when you had to chose.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
I didn´t call going to Howe´s is ilogical, but that you have to consider just of much Wellington is talked about if both Crista and Kenny know about it, and that go looking for Wellington was their best chance of survival, even if I turned it was just a story, which is another one of my points that you just ignored.
As for this:
If there wasnt Wellington or they couldnt find it, they would have just frozen to death in the north.
They couldn´t have frozen to death, even if they couldn´t find it or it turned up that Welligton was just a story. Their clothes make them well equipped to dealt with the cold.
Based on the facts you knew, when you had to chooce, Howe's or just going back south was the best option.
When you have no hope left and no… morething to lose (Kenny), you would be willing to risk your life just for stories. If there wasnt Wellington or they couldnt find it, they would have just frozen to death in the north. Because of those 2 possibilities, i chose that searching for Wellington isnt worth it.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
Your point is irrelevant. It doesnt matter that Kenny most likely had "safer" ending than with Jane, because when you have to choose between them, it should be based on the facts you would know at that point.
I dont care about the baby, but he was safe enough inside the car.
Even if you have clothes, you still need heat source and protection from cold/wind.
Zykelator, you are still ignoring that she leaves the baby in danger because he could freeze to death even in the car.
Based on the fa… morects you knew, when you had to chooce, Howe's or just going back south was the best option.
Note that I said: while knowing all the facts. By that I mean all the facts , not just the ones you knew when you had to chose.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
I didn´t call going to Howe´s is ilogical, but that you have to consider just of much Wellington is talked about if both Crista and Kenny know about it, and that go looking for Wellington was their best chance of survival, even if I turned it was just a story, which is another one of my points that you just ignored.
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how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
Nope, that's what you think, but as Kenny said:
"Where there's somke there's fire"
They would be safer in a place everyone go to, where they can either join or form a safe community.
Anyway, we took the chance and we found Wellingtonm they're safe behind those gigantic walls more than they ever will in a fucking overrun department store or whatever.
All the walls were just broken and full of holes, what about baby forumla? How much do they have of that until they fucking run out?
What about safety? Is the place protected? Are the people you may have let in can be trusted?
Too many doubts in that ending, it isn't safer than Wellington, we've seen what Wellington is like, it's at a fucking over capacity, which means they have more people, and if you read the comics, you'd see what can come out of communities.
Based on the facts you knew, when you had to chooce, Howe's or just going back south was the best option.
When you have no hope left and no… morething to lose (Kenny), you would be willing to risk your life just for stories. If there wasnt Wellington or they couldnt find it, they would have just frozen to death in the north. Because of those 2 possibilities, i chose that searching for Wellington isnt worth it.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
Nothing's wrong with me. "Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out", this happened during the fight, Kenny lunged at her. Bot… moreh Kenny and Jane had malicious intent, do you forget Kenny stabbing Jane's leg after Clementine pulled her off? There were many places the fight could've ended. As for Kenny defending himself, he wasn't always on the offensive, no, but the one time he was in a similar defenseless position to the one he would have Jane in later, Clementine stops that pretty quickly. Neither of them were innocent, but Kenny had no reason to kill Jane at that point, there simply was no reason for him to continue on and stab her. If you need me to explain exactly why I believe there was no reason, it's simple, Jane was not a direct threat to Kenny's life at the moment. What happened when Clementine pulled Jane off of Kenny? He grabbed her knife, stabbed her in the leg, got on top of her, and tried to shove the knife into her … [view original content]
By the way, who are you to tell me what I am? Have you ever even seen me here?
Yeah, I can also say I have a life to attend to, that won't make you sound any superior, it is clearly what you're trying to make yourself look as, but in truth, I see you as some dumb self-rightous shitlord that tried to make me look bad because he just can not accept that what me, Tinni and the others said had clearly topped over what the others said.
I did judge Kenny, I said some things I didn't agree with him on, so shut the fuck up and get outta here if all you do is call people assholes and explain them why you "perceive me as an asshole" in a complicent tone that makes people (or at least me) want to vomit.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown… more (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
Nope, that's what you think, but as Kenny said:
"Where there's somke there's fire"
They would be safer in a place everyone go to, where they can either join or form a safe community.
Anyway, we took the chance and we found Wellingtonm they're safe behind those gigantic walls more than they ever will in a fucking overrun department store or whatever.
All the walls were just broken and full of holes, what about baby forumla? How much do they have of that until they fucking run out?
What about safety? Is the place protected? Are the people you may have let in can be trusted?
Too many doubts in that ending, it isn't safer than Wellington, we've seen what Wellington is like, it's at a fucking over ca… [view original content]
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Change of writers and stuff...
There's more of you conducting yourself a similar way in other threads, which is partly why I'm calling you out in the first place. Acting like this, in the way that a child would, is what's making people react in such a negative way to you. That is why so many people are reprimanding you for your behavior. I won't say that the people you are arguing with are victims, because they've done their fair share of insulting and goading as well. But you are the one who is blowing this up, and are making yourself a target for insulting more than just the person you're arguing with, you're insulting a huge amount of people. I don't expect this to sink in for you, but because I know others are getting upset with you, so I see no need for us to converse further.
edit: also these.
I don't even like Kenny, and I completely teared up during his ending. I think its worth a try.
Here's the thing with that. She didn't kill the baby. It was an accident, but in that world babies are more of a danger to the group because of the noise it makes. Get surrounded by a bunch of walkers because the baby won't shut up what will you do? Some would give it up, some will try to fight out of it, others will lose it and probably drop it while trying to get away. Kenny lost it. He had to go.
The only reason why people act negative towards me is because they are Kenny fans. I need not to say any more because this will just make an endless loop of arguments. Don't think I'm making this up as an excuse to not reply to you. I felt the need to make that post because of the huge amount of hate I was getting because I support Jane. People just can't seem to accept my opinion and instead hate on me. I don't care what any of you think anymore, end of story.
i just don't like how he bosses everyone around all the time like it's his way or i'll leave you to die he never listens to anyone who has another plan that's way i don't like kenny he act's like a bully
Question. Are the final stats a combination of all platforms or a they individual?
Nothing's wrong with me. "Jane cut Kenny's stomach and tried to gauge his eye out", this happened during the fight, Kenny lunged at her. Both Kenny and Jane had malicious intent, do you forget Kenny stabbing Jane's leg after Clementine pulled her off? There were many places the fight could've ended. As for Kenny defending himself, he wasn't always on the offensive, no, but the one time he was in a similar defenseless position to the one he would have Jane in later, Clementine stops that pretty quickly. Neither of them were innocent, but Kenny had no reason to kill Jane at that point, there simply was no reason for him to continue on and stab her. If you need me to explain exactly why I believe there was no reason, it's simple, Jane was not a direct threat to Kenny's life at the moment. What happened when Clementine pulled Jane off of Kenny? He grabbed her knife, stabbed her in the leg, got on top of her, and tried to shove the knife into her chest. That's murder if I've ever heard of it, not self-defense.
I don't like getting into these kind of arguments, ones that are part of a larger 'war'. But if a person is going to disagree with me, I'd like their case to have some thought put into it.
Yeah but even so the writing/continuity should be planned out better. Looking back I feel they should have took more time developing the overall story so it would flow better like season 1 did( Tho season 1 had it's fair share of problems as well).
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You know what I realized? Kenny was about to go off on Clementine for leaving the baby with Jane.
You left him with Jane?!?!?
And Jane wasn't even there yet. I mean, I know Kenny's in a dark place but time and time again he shows he can't control himself. I agree with you, OP.
Clementine should send a huge bill to Kenny for having to be his therapist for almost all of season 2.
I think we're beginning to delve into a very serious subject matter, and I'd rather not debate about that online. I'm not saying their deaths are Kenny or Jane's faults, the difference is that Jane actively left Jaime behind knowing that she was very depressed, where Kenny was none the wiser that Katjaa planned to kill herself in such a brutal manner. The reason for me bringing up Jane leaving Jaime, is because history repeats itself. She has a reputation for leaving to save herself, so it's not difficult to assume that Kenny would believe that she'd abandon AJ to save herself. She won't sacrifice herself to save someone unless it benefits her directly. She left Sarah behind, and she also left Clem and the group behind, until she realized that Clem could be what she wanted Jaime to become. And though Jane is a loner, nobody truly wants to be alone. It's just the way she went about forcing Clem to go with her was despicable and manipulative; the completely wrong way to go about it tbh.
I don't know man.. I think people are just sick of hearing from me at this point so it doesn't really matter what I say. Literally had the stupidest conversation of my life (seriously, check my posts) because of saying one little statement about Jane. Apparently I'm a disrespectful guy for arguing against opinion and not giving up on my points when there is no reason to..
I appreciate it though. You do a good job on your own.
That's not necessary at all. Is it impossible to have a decent argument without stooping to personal insults?
That's actually is a pretty popular decision, the reason why only 11% ended up with her is cause that stat is divided in 5 parts cause of the 5 possible endings.
There is in season 1 though, and the real Clem that we saw in S1 wouldn't leave Sarah behind.
At least I have enough decency to not insult you in your face.
You're wrong, and you can ask users who know me, I don't think they'll perceive me as an asshole.
On the other hand, I have the right to say what I think about you if you insult me and hurt me for saying and defending my opinion:
You are a horrible person.
Belan.. Answer this honestly..
Am I an asshole?
Because that twat called me an asshole, and Flog described me as the only thing I don't want to be perceived as, am I that?
Well the only reasons she plotted against Kenny was because how unstable and violent he became.
Even if she remained with her sister and died trying to help her, Jamie would have died anything. She would have died for nothing then.
You say she did it all for Clem and the baby, but she leaved the baby in a car risking that he be bitten or freeze to death.
What a outstanding leap of logic, I just can't see where the ends meet
First, there's no longer a downvote button so....yeah. xD
Second, both Kenny and Jane were EXTREMELY wrong for the things they did. To be honest, I'd say the most morally "right" choice is to kill them both. They honestly both deserved to die for what they were doing. Kenny for going apeshit without considering maybe Jane DIDN'T kill the baby, and Jane for purposely provoking Kenny into attacking her in an attempt to manipulate Clementine onto her side.
I don't think I need to go through Kenny's flaws here, since you already chose Jane. But, here's why most people didn't choose her.
She left Clementine once and she has a history of leaving people and being a loner. She could easily do it again, while Kenny doesn't leave his friends behind for anything, and it is made clear he cares dearly for Clementine, even if he hates everyone else. So, in terms of who would stick with her, Kenny is more likely. That's not to say the likelihood of her abandoning Clementine is remotely high, but it's still definitely higher than Kenny's.
As for the fight, Jane and Kenny were both complete assholes, so I suppose it just depends on who you want to help more, but the things Jane did wrong are as follows - she lied and purposely provoked Kenny into fighting her with the intention of manipulating Clementine into abandoning him. If you save her, she claims she didn't know Kenny would take it that far, yet she could have stopped the fight at ANY time by saying the baby was fine and when Kenny is about to kill her he says something along the lines of "I'll fucking kill you", to which she replies "I knew you would", implying she knew from the get-go that Kenny would probably end up killing her. So, she PURPOSELY started the fight knowing full well it would probably result in her death or Kenny's death, CHOSE not to stop the fight the entire time and did it all to manipulate Clementine.
Now, that's not to say Kenny didn't do anything wrong(what he did was pretty much murder/attempted murder, in short), but this isn't about him. Hopefully I cleared up why more people side with Kenny. Also, sorry if I repeated anything....I can have some repetitive tendencies.
I my self chose Kenny but I was tempted to just kill them both. VERY tempted.
He wasn't going to in the slightest. He looked panicked if anything. And he most certainly wouldn't have attacked her even if he for some reason got pissy. He would have just yelled and looked depressed for a while. When he was blaming Clementine for his girlfriend's death, that's all he did. So....no reason to believe anything worse would happen.
Besides, all he did was say "You left him with her!?" What makes you think he was gonna go ragemode just because of that? He doesn't trust Jane, of course he was REALLY shocked at that.
Walkers were frozen outside (you can see that while Clem is walking to rest stop).
Car was a lot warmer than outside.
She wanted to go back to howe's because it was more wise option and they knew that there was baby formula back there.
I didnt actually think that Jane would care about the baby, but seems like i was wrong...
The walkers were still moving, not frozen. The car was a lot warmer that outside, yes, but you are ignoring that the baby could freeze to death even in the car and ignoring that if the babies cries were audible in the Rest Stop the walkers, which are super sensitive to sound, could hear him easily, break the window and bite him.
I don´t know why are you bringing Howe´s into this, but:
Walkers werent moving... they were too cold (the walkers dont follow Clementine, even if she shoots, so why would they follow baby crying?)
The fact that they KNEW howe's existed made it better choice to go for. They had no any actual evidence of Wellingtons existence.
Would you risk your life over a story?
I interpreted it as then being incapable of hearing Clem because of the snowstorm, but whatever, you are still ignoring that she leaves the baby in danger because he could freeze to death even in the car.
The point you are trying to push is meaningless, because I wasn´t trying to see Howe´s was a illogical choice but that Howe´s in the worst choice while knowing all the facts. But still you have to consider just of much Wellington is talked about if both Crista and Kenny know about it, and that go looking for Wellington was their best chance of survival, even if I turned it was just a story.
This is irrelevant. I am saying that going to look for Wellington is the best choice in that situation, nothing involving what I could do or not.
You are not even trying to refute AWESOMEO point, which is that whay Jane did is fucked up, you just say that everyone caring about Clem makes Kenny not Clem´s guardian.
So you justify what she did because she wanted to prove a violent man to be violent, by saying she caused the death of his child and making him lash out on her and try to kill her?
Yet again, you people fail to make sense.
Based on the facts you knew, when you had to chooce, Howe's or just going back south was the best option.
When you have no hope left and nothing to lose (Kenny), you would be willing to risk your life just for stories. If there wasnt Wellington or they couldnt find it, they would have just frozen to death in the north. Because of those 2 possibilities, i chose that searching for Wellington isnt worth it.
how is it more illogical to go to place you knew exists and quite possibly is safe, rather than searching for town which location is unknown (except that its on north) and you could possibly freeze to death on your way there.
Hi everybody, i have just finished episode 5. I think Tell Tale made a great new season!!Because there aren't wrong or right decisions about kenny vs Jane or the family , there are only choices and their consequences..This is one of the reason because i LOVE this game.
It was my first play in ep 5, so the most instinctive.
I'M NOT A KENNY HATER OR SUPPORTER!!!
In the end i saved Jane not because she was good or right, but because these main reasons :
-she came back when Clem was in danger.
-she taught some tricks for survive, so Clem was the only person who she really care about.
- During the fight there was a moment she put down her knife. Maybe she wanted to make Kenny mad, but initially she didn't want to kill him.
I really liked Kenny and shoot him was one of the toughest decisions which i have made because he was a really good friend.
I made this decision because in the ep5 of first season:
-Lee had to convince Kenny to help him, He didn't offered him self and he did it because Lee help his family(I always supported Kenny but i only didn't kill Larry)
-when Ben fallen in the alley he wanted to put down him, because he felt guilty and don't make him suffer but i don't understand why he didn't want to follow Lee to save Clem who was alive and in danger or do the both things.
-He no longer controlled himself and his anger.
When Clem told him that it was her fault and he was going to see his family i understand that a big part of him really wanted to die and his forgiveness was a also a thank you.
After that Clem was very angry against Jane and she didn't trust her so much but she forgave her because:
-she can help her to protect the baby
-Jane which was a very selfish person put herself in danger to convince Clem because she don't want to leave her and she care about her. She could just run away and leave clem as she did with her sister..
What do you think?
Clementine wasnt ready to leave Kenny behind so she had to make Clementine realize that Kenny is too dangerous to be around.
Do you even think these things through?
Zykelator, you are still ignoring that she leaves the baby in danger because he could freeze to death even in the car.
Note that I said: while knowing all the facts. By that I mean all the facts , not just the ones you knew when you had to chose.
I didn´t call going to Howe´s is ilogical, but that you have to consider just of much Wellington is talked about if both Crista and Kenny know about it, and that go looking for Wellington was their best chance of survival, even if I turned it was just a story, which is another one of my points that you just ignored.
As for this:
They couldn´t have frozen to death, even if they couldn´t find it or it turned up that Welligton was just a story. Their clothes make them well equipped to dealt with the cold.
Your point is irrelevant. It doesnt matter that Kenny most likely had "safer" ending than with Jane, because when you have to choose between them, it should be based on the facts you would know at that point.
I dont care about the baby, but he was safe enough inside the car.
Even if you have clothes, you still need heat source and protection from cold/wind.
Nope, that's what you think, but as Kenny said:
"Where there's somke there's fire"
They would be safer in a place everyone go to, where they can either join or form a safe community.
Anyway, we took the chance and we found Wellingtonm they're safe behind those gigantic walls more than they ever will in a fucking overrun department store or whatever.
All the walls were just broken and full of holes, what about baby forumla? How much do they have of that until they fucking run out?
What about safety? Is the place protected? Are the people you may have let in can be trusted?
Too many doubts in that ending, it isn't safer than Wellington, we've seen what Wellington is like, it's at a fucking over capacity, which means they have more people, and if you read the comics, you'd see what can come out of communities.
Doesn't matter, she still wanted to kill the man who cared most about her.
As Alan said, you aren't even refuting my point, you're bringing up irrelevant topics to change the subject.
Heh, then go read everything we said, those arguments have thought put into them.
And don't be rude, what he said is relevant.
By the way, who are you to tell me what I am? Have you ever even seen me here?
Yeah, I can also say I have a life to attend to, that won't make you sound any superior, it is clearly what you're trying to make yourself look as, but in truth, I see you as some dumb self-rightous shitlord that tried to make me look bad because he just can not accept that what me, Tinni and the others said had clearly topped over what the others said.
I did judge Kenny, I said some things I didn't agree with him on, so shut the fuck up and get outta here if all you do is call people assholes and explain them why you "perceive me as an asshole" in a complicent tone that makes people (or at least me) want to vomit.
"Bleh."
It doesnt matter. They had no actual evidence of its existances... And i wouldnt risk my life for something like that.
It's a lost cause, ignorance can't be changed it seems.